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    Show Notes:
    After the most recent episode of Game Knights with Brandon Sanderson, we’ve heard from a lot of people who are interested in building and playing their own Commander Cube. On this episode, we bring our local cube expert DJ (from Jumbo Commander on TH-cam) to discuss the best practices for designing your own cube and how to overcome the inherent design difficulties with Commander Cube specifically.
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ความคิดเห็น • 391

  • @FlyFoxAir
    @FlyFoxAir 4 ปีที่แล้ว +81

    Hey about that game knights episode, you should have filmed the draft part.. that is THE most fun aspect of cube, the decisions, the social aspect.. don’t be afraid to experiment!
    Maybe even make a separate video for that portion if you don’t want to mess with the GK format

    • @noahfinney4899
      @noahfinney4899 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      I wouldn’t be surprised if they did film it. The video was already pretty long though. Which is probably why it wasn’t included. An extended version with the drafting would be cool.

  • @The420Duder
    @The420Duder 4 ปีที่แล้ว +293

    Nothing like opening a new product and the cards are clearly curled like pringles

    • @Louiscypher93
      @Louiscypher93 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I feel like they have probably opened it before either in other takes or Josh and Jimmy were impatient.

    • @felixlavey86
      @felixlavey86 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@Louiscypher93 still not very old product

    • @AspiringDryad
      @AspiringDryad 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Yeah this is definitely why I avoid getting foils

    • @draxthemsklonst
      @draxthemsklonst 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That just means they're still fresh.

    • @royalguardiangaming9843
      @royalguardiangaming9843 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Nothing like eating Pringles, oh wait, these are magic cards

  • @Adjacent_2
    @Adjacent_2 4 ปีที่แล้ว +230

    I love how right out of the box, this incredibly special product.... is already warped and curling lol...

    • @joshuahuneycutt7873
      @joshuahuneycutt7873 4 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      It’s absolutely horrible

    • @Pandahboymtg
      @Pandahboymtg 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I believe that specialty products like this one are printed on rented machines at another printing company. If they were printed at Cartamundi in Belgium or printed on the Japanese machines they probably would come out better.

    • @puffstanley4442
      @puffstanley4442 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@Pandahboymtg i mean, normal foils are also normally curled like this

    • @tulius123
      @tulius123 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      I was going to comment the same....and what if the HUGE box for 3 cards!

    • @Sheriff_K
      @Sheriff_K 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      To be fair, I’ve had nonfoil standard cards curl within days.. But I wish these werent foil.

  • @SomeYouTubeTraveler
    @SomeYouTubeTraveler 4 ปีที่แล้ว +159

    13:46 "The goal of Cube is to create an environment that's fun."
    *has Saheeli and Felidar on screen*

    • @whynot7295
      @whynot7295 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You would hate my commander decks then lmao

    • @jamesgreenwood1703
      @jamesgreenwood1703 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Those are fun cards tho 😅

    • @PaleoDrew
      @PaleoDrew 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Imagine playing interaction

  • @fehlbrandschwele
    @fehlbrandschwele 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I'd like to see more Commander Cube Content in the future. i think with the growth of the EDH Community and Magic in general and the upcoming products, especially Legends this might become a very popular format. Also I really need more help building one ^^

  • @melvilsmith4706
    @melvilsmith4706 4 ปีที่แล้ว +52

    I'm surprise no one mentioned Cube Tutor. It's so useful to see your curve, color and supertype distribution. You can even simulate drafts and sealed with bots ! It helped me a lot to design both of my cubes (a Classic Cube and a Graveyard Cube).

    • @salfontana5712
      @salfontana5712 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Yo sweet, I'll check it out. I kind of want to make a pauper/pauper-ish cube. 1 - I love the pauper format 2 - price is an issue

    • @lauravturner
      @lauravturner 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I think Cube Tutor is gone now. It's a real shame.

    • @Calgax
      @Calgax 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Your name is an expression of your genius man

    • @ry7hym
      @ry7hym 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@lauravturner yeah sad

    • @Nouxatar
      @Nouxatar 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@lauravturner Yeah. Luckily we have CubeCobra now, which is easily now the best successor we have to it.

  • @noahfinney4899
    @noahfinney4899 4 ปีที่แล้ว +47

    I built a commander cube a few months ago and it’s pretty weird. Each player gets two commanders but one of them has to be a planswalker and one has to be a creature. This allows you to add to your color identity and build around multiple strategies. It’s about 750 cards and uses some cool unset cards like Urza, Headmaster. After playing a few times though, I learned is that I’m pretty bad at building cubes so I’m really glad you made this episode. Thanks Game Knights!

    • @GubbiGap
      @GubbiGap 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Urza, Headmaster is such a fun card! :D My playgroup allowed me to play him as my Commander so we all had a ton of fun with all the randomness xD

    • @noahfinney4899
      @noahfinney4899 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Lina Al-Jarallah yeah he’s great. I have him as the mascot to the cube. I even have his art on all the sleeves.

    • @GubbiGap
      @GubbiGap 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Noah Finney Nice! :D

  • @AspiringDryad
    @AspiringDryad 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I got some Cubamajigs for my cube and they're really neat!
    They're like reusable booster packs that make dealing out the packs much easier

  • @ChrisThe1
    @ChrisThe1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Secret Lair: 3:30
    Main Topic
    Cube Construction: 9:08
    Power Level: 17:17
    Archetypes and Themes: 21:20
    Color Balance: 26:15
    Commander Cube: 28:12
    Custom Solutions: 38:19

    • @d9_1056
      @d9_1056 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      You're the best.

    • @suschilegge1683
      @suschilegge1683 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      21:20 archetypes and themes

    • @ChrisThe1
      @ChrisThe1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@suschilegge1683 thanks :)

    • @bobroberts5820
      @bobroberts5820 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you!!! You just helped a random dude years later lol

  • @nevkarma
    @nevkarma 4 ปีที่แล้ว +73

    And they come warped hooray

  • @brcienpartin5462
    @brcienpartin5462 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    People don't seem to be realizing that some of the secret lairs cards are literally worth more than the MSRP even without the weird art. These cards look like solid investments if you can keep them from bending in too much and the art is super sweet.

  • @bendertusepaki8995
    @bendertusepaki8995 4 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    I need to see the decklist for that Khans Cube DJ mentionned.

    • @oscarjanin1748
      @oscarjanin1748 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      That's not his cube but he mentionned wizard's one (which his cube seems related to) : magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/magic-online/khans-expanded-cube-2019-07-23

  • @immunetouSP
    @immunetouSP 4 ปีที่แล้ว +60

    Seriously, just add DJ as the third Command Zone host.

    • @unbanrofellos5786
      @unbanrofellos5786 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      They all work really well together

    • @zulfyby
      @zulfyby 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Also the synergy with singing and there sit´s a man called DJ.
      Instant Combo

  • @Starfury117
    @Starfury117 4 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    For those interested in Card Kingdom Starter Cube, Loading Ready Run did a friday night game where they drafted it. Pretty fun.

  • @miscellaneousmerchandise4160
    @miscellaneousmerchandise4160 4 ปีที่แล้ว +62

    Love the command zone but...... damn that secret lair feels like daylight robbery.

    • @vendusmortem1433
      @vendusmortem1433 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Idk haven't seen the price points for all of them but you'd pretty much break event with the one they previewed in non foils so it wouldn't hurt to grab those unless you like the originals and can get them in good condition

    • @xTrooper377x
      @xTrooper377x 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Most are rip offs, this one i honestly think is worth it

    • @chaos72635
      @chaos72635 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      i mean so far the bitterblossom one and this one have at least 1.5x the worth, looking at cardkingdom prices (each drop is 30$), the lands one is a ripoff, and goblins and restless in peace seem a little bit iffy (but still cool)

    • @zacharybecker8228
      @zacharybecker8228 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@chaos72635 i just wish the bitterblossom was foil really they should all be foil

    • @dunamoose3446
      @dunamoose3446 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      well in around like ten years they'll be worth ~$1000

  • @adrianogoulartcarvalho7144
    @adrianogoulartcarvalho7144 4 ปีที่แล้ว +45

    I alaways wanted to do a commander cube. Guess I am going to do it now.

  • @GamerdevilPro
    @GamerdevilPro 4 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    20:31 I played a cube with only bulk rares once with my friends and it was honestly quite a lot of fun and made us all appreciate some of the "bulk" cards more. I even added a few of those to my decks afterwards because I ended up enjoying playing with them.
    We also made a rule that we could use up to one playset of terramorphic expanse to allow for more possible color combinations without having any untapped fixing lands that would incentivise people to build good stuff decks too much.
    Also I kinda want to build a small cube now lol

    • @GamerdevilPro
      @GamerdevilPro 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Adam Miller eh, you have to pay one mana to activate those which makes them a bad play T1, they are better later in the game tho because you probably don't need to sac them.
      The thing is tho, terramorphic expanse can grab any land so you are not restricted to specific shards and the mana fixing doesn't need to be perfect, running more colors should be a downside in regards to consistency.
      Also I have like 40 terramorphic expanses laying around so I just grabbed a couple of those because they get the job done.

  • @TheReaperGriefer
    @TheReaperGriefer 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Dj's voice is so relaxing. Loved the episode =D

  • @sandfire-768
    @sandfire-768 4 ปีที่แล้ว +90

    Seems like a waste of cardboard, for how big the box is

    • @seasnek7024
      @seasnek7024 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Sand Fire- At first i read this comment not thinking much, but when i realised it is only 3 cards in the box i now couldn’t agree more.

    • @puffstanley4442
      @puffstanley4442 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      One of the selling points is that's the box will serve as a storage box for cards afterwards. It will apparently be able to contain 2 sleeved commander decks

    • @hildegans4945
      @hildegans4945 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I cant agree because i have nö storage for All my cards and thats good to store them.

    • @crono252
      @crono252 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I mean all the cards are cardboard .-. so the whole game is a "waste" of card board

  • @thewinkersshow575
    @thewinkersshow575 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I am going to get the secret lair thing because:
    1. I am planning to build all three decks
    2. They are going to cost crazy high in a few years

    • @jessicalepins1433
      @jessicalepins1433 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I don't know for the futur prices because they are printed to demand, they might drop in few months in the secondary market

    • @michaelogara9056
      @michaelogara9056 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jessicalepins1433 fair, we haven't seen a print to demand thing so we will have to see how the market will absorb it, but I feel like if you get them, they will still be worth a pretty penny, especially after revealing a plains Walker is in each box

  • @mikemcglasson1286
    @mikemcglasson1286 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Are they charging $40 for a box with 3 cards in it?

    • @maeslandry8261
      @maeslandry8261 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Yes. Yes they are.

    • @KC_Enthusiast
      @KC_Enthusiast 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      $40 for a $20 card, a $10 card, and a $6 card, all with new alternate art seems like a fair deal.

    • @zacharybecker8228
      @zacharybecker8228 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@KC_Enthusiast it is but i would have like most of them to be about 5 to 10 dollars cheaper a piece

  • @GubbiGap
    @GubbiGap 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    One thing I've been working on is 5 decks (one of each color) to bring to my playgroup so new players could get a good first experience with Commander. Over time I want the decks to be at almost the same powerlevel so they can all play together in a nice and casual way. My biggest issue has been making the White deck do anything at all, but they're far from done so I'll take my time and make them awesome :D

  • @willem-janrensink4549
    @willem-janrensink4549 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So I hear nobody talk about color identity. It's probably one of the best parts of normal Commander, but also a big restriction when drafting: you could see how everyone had 4/5 color decks on Game Knights. Foregoing the color identity rules entirely, mono and dual-colored commanders become viable, and drafters have an opportunity to change their color mid-draft without repercussions. Josh even mentioned some disadvantages of the color identity without addressing the rule itself
    I have a commander cube that ignores it and honestly think makes the experience better for it. I would agree that it makes the cube more like a generic draft, but that's not necessarily a disadvantage IMO.

    • @robinquax9911
      @robinquax9911 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      We did the same, and it's helped out our commander cube experience by so much, it's insane. It's often we draft an archetype and/or colours without worrying too much about a commander, cause you're not restricted to its colours.

  • @ericleedy7108
    @ericleedy7108 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey guys, I noticed on one of your shows that you were talking about picking the music for the show. So yesterday I heard some music at the end of a song that could work for the lead in. Starset - Telescope, time index 4:15-5:34. Hope you like it. Keep up the great work.

  • @Stonewaul143
    @Stonewaul143 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is my favorite format. I have a Commander Cube. My playgroup has played it consistently every weekend for 2 years. It has been tuned and retuned. But even with that it is always in construction.
    Please feel free to go to CubeTutor and check out Stonewaul's CMDR Cube.

  • @michaelstephens9399
    @michaelstephens9399 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    The most un-fun thing in a game of Commander is when one player is screwed on colors and can't really play. My group's Commander Cube solved this by giving everyone 7 cards to start their deck before drafting. Everyone gets a Command Tower, a Commander's Sphere, a City of Brass, a Mana Confluence, a Coalition Relic, a Darksteel Ingot, and a Prophetic Prism. After the draft, you're free to drop any/all of these 7, but each player has them if they need them. None of these are super impactful in terms of ramping, so green's ramp doesn't get nerfed too badly, but it seems to provide just enough fixing that it's rare to get shafted on colors.

  • @9kymel9
    @9kymel9 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    For the past 4 years I've been building my 1400 cards commander cube and it's far from finished. Me and my friends regulary play 3,4 and 5-color commanders and 6 booster draft. It's ton of fun and our record game took over 3.5 hours and over 15 board wipes.

    • @danieldonaldson744
      @danieldonaldson744 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      1400?! Mine runs 600+52 generals and it's more than enough. If anything I want to cut more because it takes more time than it needs to to draft even 600 with 8 people.

  • @crovax1375
    @crovax1375 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Commander Cube sounds like a fun, but daunting, beast of a set to build

    • @danieldonaldson744
      @danieldonaldson744 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes and no. Once you've been playing a while you should have enough stuff sitting around to start. But, only by playing can you really figure out what works and what doesn't. I built mine 7 years ago, play it regularly, and it felt "complete" after about 3 years... a daunting amount of time beforehand, but now it seems pretty fast. The nice thing now is that I typically buy $15-$20 worth of stuff for each new set and can do most needed updates.

  • @kennethmurray9003
    @kennethmurray9003 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    There are websites dedicated to building cubes. The current one I am using is Cube Cobra. They also have a discord for discussing cube. When I created my cube I copied someone else's and then replaced the cards I did not have with cards I do of same colour and CMC. It worked out well.

  • @TarolinSchofield
    @TarolinSchofield 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I enjoy my kaladesh common and uncommon cube and tryed the commander pack idea with it was so fun

  • @thatoneguywhodoestuff4285
    @thatoneguywhodoestuff4285 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’m in the process of building a commander cube and to solve the problem with colour identity I just said that all commanders have parter. It makes for a crazy draft.

  • @jttownsend3576
    @jttownsend3576 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Was totally looking up some of this earlier. How timely of a video!

  • @machdude3366
    @machdude3366 4 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    Secret Lair: "Meh". If I'm spending 40 bucks on an independent product, I want to be able to PLAY that goddamn product.

    • @AspiringDryad
      @AspiringDryad 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      The 30 bucks for the Bitterblossom is a very good price (seeing as CK sells them at 40 sans tokens) but otherwise i agree

    • @dk55717
      @dk55717 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@AspiringDryad it is 40 for the blossom one

    • @AspiringDryad
      @AspiringDryad 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@dk55717 oof then that's about the same price as a normal copy then

    • @raelysk
      @raelysk 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@dk55717 Nope, only kitties and this 5-colored ones are 40. All other ones are 30.

    • @dk55717
      @dk55717 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@raelysk nope. Go to wizards website, they mispoke its 40

  • @aortega
    @aortega 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Obviously, DJ is busy with Jumbo Commander, but he has so much great chemistry with Josh and Jimmy that it’d be sweet if he was an official fixture of the show. 💖

    • @anthonymarciano6050
      @anthonymarciano6050 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Unless it could actually bring in alot more revenue they would just be splitting their money up for nothing

  • @clanechelon
    @clanechelon 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Gotta love how commander brings people together. So many good guest on the show lately, it's been an incredible streak of episode. Thanks a bunch for the content guys (and for inviting DJ !)

  • @jamesmarkham7489
    @jamesmarkham7489 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Yay DJ IS BACK!

  • @ApexZer0
    @ApexZer0 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Does anyone actually like eclipse sleeves? Dragon shields are extremely better quality imo

    • @danacoleman4007
      @danacoleman4007 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I agree. However, the show is sponsored by ultra pro

    • @vengray8055
      @vengray8055 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Compared to dragon shield they suck ass. These guys are paid money to say they are best even when they clearly are not. Flimsy as hell compared to DS and easy to get dog eared. Iv bought a few packs until i found out the lies. They are better than thier own basic ultra pro sleeves but not by much and around the same price DS is much better deal.

  • @SomeYouTubeTraveler
    @SomeYouTubeTraveler 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm actually mad one of the Kaleidoscope Killers cards wasn't Progenitus. He's my fave and the only WWUUBBRRGG creature in existence... and he killed it in that last Game Knights... Proggy needs some more love!

  • @skyrotberg1983
    @skyrotberg1983 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Solely singleton is a fantastic cube podcast that I really recommend for anyone that wants to get into the format

    • @Silas_MN
      @Silas_MN 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I normally consume this podcast exclusively through audio, but I came here to make this exact point. SS is a really great podcast for anyone interested in cube.

    • @michaelogara9056
      @michaelogara9056 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Where can I find them, they aren't on youtube?

    • @Silas_MN
      @Silas_MN 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@michaelogara9056 They're on iTunes and most other podcast platforms. You can check their website, solelysingleton.com

    • @skyrotberg1983
      @skyrotberg1983 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@michaelogara9056 I usually listen to them on a website called libsyn. Its the first thing to come up when you google Solely Singleton

  • @alexmartin3433
    @alexmartin3433 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Magic Game Night has come out for this year and despite it being a bad product it inspired me to make a sort of 5-deck cycle of commander decks for new players to grab and play

  • @swampyack7266
    @swampyack7266 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    3 months and counting without a real commander game...RIP the everything but commander zone.

  • @deviltrigger85
    @deviltrigger85 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    One of the "rules" I have in my commander cube is that "all commander creatures automatically have Partner". So you're able to have up to 2 commanders without being forced to use 2 (of the too few) that actually have 'partner' written on the cards. It makes it more versatile and interesting, from my experience. I do like the idea of the conspiracy-esque cards that let you make your deck more unique because of the added effects/abilities too.

  • @chromarush1749
    @chromarush1749 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Time to build a sultai commander cube.
    EDIT: apparently there's only 10 legendaries in sultai and one of them is pretty bad, maybe Ill have two color bois too
    Actually, the ability to draft mono colored is a good idea.

  • @Pandahboymtg
    @Pandahboymtg 4 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    3:30 Secret Lair Kaleidoscope Killers

  • @auto_phoenix819
    @auto_phoenix819 4 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    I feel like we missed a great opportunity to have "Cube April" on the show. Maybe invite her in for Game Knights: Commander Legends??

  • @Mightypoo007
    @Mightypoo007 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    My Commander Cube has the rule of 30 life per player, 50 cards exactly (20 land, 29 nonland and the Commander), AND you reveal your Commander at the start of the first game.

  • @joshuabraska1028
    @joshuabraska1028 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Someone made a gif of the clay pidgeon throw.

  • @axxelsynchro4891
    @axxelsynchro4891 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    it may be not mtg related but it's cube related.
    i kind of like to play many different card games, cause i also kind of travel a bit in my country and sometimes there is no comunity of a certain game or i arrive at a day that they don't play that game and there is nobody to play the day that i can go to play, a few years ago i found this game named Force of Will, its kind of like magic but you can't brick with your lands (mana screwed nor mana flooded) and you start with a kind of commander, kind of planise walker that kind of defines what your deck will be about(but you are not obligated to play in a color identity or a certain way, they are sort of generic sometimes), the problem i have is that the community is really small in every state that i visit so i decided to make a cube for that game and carry it around and present it as a table top game and jump-start the community so there is more people to play with.
    you talked about some ideas that helped me therory craft some issues that i have in the construction of my cube like card that are tied together and stuff like that but still i don't quite grasp how should i be balancing the archetypes or what kind of regalia should i add.
    another concept that i like you to talk is about score points, i once saw the professor talking about how he played with a custom set of cards that kept a score board depending on things on the game and even all the way to deck construction.
    thanks for the video and keep being aweasome

  • @josh24214
    @josh24214 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Commander cube looks like a tons of fun I wish I could play Commander cube Jimmy and Josh, but I am just wondering are you guys going to be safe from COOPA?

    • @TotalElipse
      @TotalElipse 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      There's nothing in the FTC rulings that should affect them, whether they'll get hit by TH-cam's shitty automatic system is a different story.

    • @josh24214
      @josh24214 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@TotalElipse Thanks Jack. I love Game Knights! i just been a little down since COOPA was coming just scared about it i do let's plays and do MHA Chapter reactions and i am not sure i'm safe.

    • @corvoattano6765
      @corvoattano6765 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TotalElipse hmm I still see color that could be deemed colorful

  • @cameronheaston9898
    @cameronheaston9898 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Have you guys thought about just getting a big box of sleeved card of the same sleeve and have a few section, ramp, creatures, removal, etc. of all different color and you can do one of two things with the box, use it to build decks that you play a few times take that one apart and rebuild differently (if you want) or around a new legend and/or build a cube if needed. I thought of this idea when I was looking at my ultra pro box, it hold about 1600 card and has different sections on the side with 4 main columns. More often then not I think that it would a fun way to play although getting the hang of one deck and mastering it is fine just save the deck list somewhere and build it again later if wanted, but I think being able to take an hour before play to build a commander deck that is new and so you don’t get board playing the same deck every time. Thoughts on this idea of play? I think it’d be a great way to play just in case you are in a play group that might be meta decking you to shut down your deck cause it is often one of the more powerful decks and pilots at the table (speaking somewhat from experience) and so I thought of this for that reason and just to have fun cause who doesn’t like building decks and discovering their own combos and how everything work. For example because I dont know if anyone else noticed this infinite colored mana combo that is similar to freed from the real, horseshoe crab plus jiang yanggu, wildcrafter with the crab having a +1/+1 counter on it with kinnan bonder prodigy in play. Thank you and please let me know what you think.

  • @daltonadams8003
    @daltonadams8003 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I finished my commander cube a few months ago, but I haven’t finished buying the sleeves, and I’m sad. I can’t play it yet. Thanks for the ideas tho

  • @Jeffxm003
    @Jeffxm003 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Ahh a cube with no board wipes. Sounds like fun

  • @jeffswett4579
    @jeffswett4579 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    My buddy has a pauper cube that is so much fun and it was not to hard on his wallet. Logan if you see this you rock man thats for putting in the work so we can enjoy it man.
    C'mon guys the ammount of likes this gets is how awesome logan is!👇👇

    • @JapanischErfahren
      @JapanischErfahren 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Couldn't thumb this up b/c of that retarded last sentence.
      The rest is true though. So many people wasting so much money on Magic... meanwhile, I build cubes with a few hundred cards that are literally 'worth' not more than 5 bucks (in total!) and we're having endless hours of fun.

  • @EchoEDH
    @EchoEDH 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    This makes me want to build a cube now

  • @DavetheLeg
    @DavetheLeg 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Vintage Cube! What are you guys f****** millionaires LOL.

  • @ultimateo621
    @ultimateo621 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    You can make it an actual cube on TappedOut

  • @simontorell1549
    @simontorell1549 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Commander cube is simply amazind! Tricky as hell to build but thoroughly enjoyable as well. In mine, we draft commanders separately but twice. Regular pack, commander pack, regular, regular, commander, regular. Starting with a regular pack lets the draft be more open-ended. Same thing with drafting commanders twice: it allows people to shift. I am also tweaking mine more and more towards cedh. Powerful magic is fun magic and as long as inf-combos require more than two pieces its hella tricky to pull of in a limited environment. But if you manage to draft a whole flash-hulk-package i reccon you deserve a win. I drafted the full boonweaver-combo last time but got smashed by a summon the pack and grusilda shenanigans. That won't happen in a normal game of commander...

  • @kjellegilhustad2095
    @kjellegilhustad2095 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I have seen all of the secret lair cards and no i dont want to buy anyon of them. The Bitterbllosom is nice but no not for that price, one card and 4 tokens. And the foil lands is allready starting to curve. Just waiing for the profesor to slaughter this product.

    • @AspiringDryad
      @AspiringDryad 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      The Bitterblossom is less than the price CK runs for a regular one tho

    • @kjellegilhustad2095
      @kjellegilhustad2095 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@AspiringDryad still to expancive for a card i really dont need. I also live in europe so the shipping would propably be really stiff. Love the art on the card. The blossom is probabbly the best pickup of all the cards.

    • @AspiringDryad
      @AspiringDryad 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@kjellegilhustad2095 definitely agree. Won't be getting any of them either, I play none of these cards except ones I already have enough copies of

    • @kjellegilhustad2095
      @kjellegilhustad2095 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@AspiringDryad im propably picking up a copy when the next reprint in a real set is coming. Anyway this reprint would bringing new copies to the market so it would anyway help the price stay lower for all the other versions.

  • @seasnek7024
    @seasnek7024 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Josh: I should’ve gotten Reaper king for Commander Cube
    Jimmy: OH YEAH, IT’S ALL COMING TOGETHER

  • @xakuyer
    @xakuyer 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Just made a cube with what I had lying in my collection from drafts, prerealeases, precons and randoms rares. I upgrade it from times to times when I open or trade for sweet cards, and it's so much fun to be playing with these cards that I can't play anywhere else together.

  • @2236UmbrellaCorp
    @2236UmbrellaCorp 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Hawk Cube size was excellent pun!

  • @thearcenist
    @thearcenist 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Please link DJ's cubes... Presumably he's got them on cube tutor or cube cobra.

  • @namejeppe7
    @namejeppe7 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This is the most command zone episode ever, all three hosts at the same time! Good to See you again DJ, you're always Welcome! 😊👍

  • @Charlielx
    @Charlielx 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The Tony Hawk joke should be 900 not 1080, Tony's never done a 1080

    • @Silas_MN
      @Silas_MN 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Except in Tony Hawk Pro Skater 3 when I was a kid, just sayin

  • @remyscreepycorner5135
    @remyscreepycorner5135 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I love this idea to try and get some of my friends into Commander, also another great episode of the command zone. Always so impressed by how good the production values of every episode are

  • @fzolex
    @fzolex 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Liked just because DJ is in. Will watch it later!

  • @sylviasunae673
    @sylviasunae673 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    That may have been the best opening song of all time on this show

  • @TheBigBrotherBureaubackup
    @TheBigBrotherBureaubackup 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hey Command Zone, I have an idea for a cube but I don't know if it will work. Would getting all the guild kits and putting them together with the guild lands and dual lands work for a 380 card cube?

  • @vert2048
    @vert2048 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I've been wanting to do this for a long time! Thanks for this :)

  • @rippin9999
    @rippin9999 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Best intro ever

  • @elderdingushighlander
    @elderdingushighlander 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have a commander cube with 1300+ cards. Enough to support 12 players building 100 cards decks with excess for booster tutors and such.

  • @noahhoffenberg6971
    @noahhoffenberg6971 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm building a cube (not commander) and this episode was great help. Thank you so much. I am a big fan of this channel and when I saw the cube episode I had to build one. If any of you have tips for me I would love it.

  • @flusterfluff
    @flusterfluff 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Fastforward to see the Secret Lair spoilers. Rewind to watch full episode. Profit.

    • @lordofdeath1876
      @lordofdeath1876 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      time ?

    • @fattimiv
      @fattimiv 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@lordofdeath1876 Around the 5:03 mark

    • @flusterfluff
      @flusterfluff 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@lordofdeath1876 Oh it's at Watch minutes and The Video seconds.
      (Fairly early in)

  • @VladTepes44
    @VladTepes44 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have bought a card kingdom starter cube. Sadly I only played it once but it was a blast.
    Cube is great for drafting for two or 4 especially if you use some alternate draft method like the pancake draft.
    I would love to build a commander cube and I really hope this commander draft set will be a good base for that.

  • @ShuffleYourLibrary
    @ShuffleYourLibrary 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i've build cube.. where i cut out pieces of cards and glue them unto other cards. its super fun and theyre all way too powerfull! but it works, cause every move is so outragious and looney

  • @benjamincarter6095
    @benjamincarter6095 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    That background... I'm dazed.

  • @Goscalyon
    @Goscalyon 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I agree, after last episode I found that the regalia added a whole ton of creativity for the draft. Perhaps after Commander Legends comes out next year I'll try and fiddle around with it myself.

  • @32ekoc
    @32ekoc 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Here's an interesting idea for drafting your commander. Let the first and last packs you draft be for commanders only. That way if you decide to switch your strategy or add/remove another color while your in mid-draft you can do that now that you know you have another chance to draft that kind of commander.
    Plus all the partner commanders would be amazing in a commander cube.

  • @darigazz666
    @darigazz666 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I've always considered making a cube, but I just don't have that level of trust around really anyone with my cards...I rarely even let people borrow my cards (they have to be really good friends). Not because I'm stingy, but because I dont want my cards damaged or "lost" and it's a well known fact, people treat others things differently than they do their own. Argument? Rental Cars, case rested.

  • @jasongysbers5619
    @jasongysbers5619 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Here's my multi-colored EDH/Commander Cube. tappedout.net/mtg-cube-drafts/multicolored-commanderedh-cube/ I went a very different way. I choose to stick as close as possible to Commander. So I don't ignore color identity or the singleton rule or make custom cards, but instead ignore the only 3 packs for the cube rule and don't allow for any mono colored legendaries as your Commander. 1st round of the draft, you draft your potential commanders and then the next 10 rounds you draft your pool. The cards for the most part are all EDH staples and the power level is very high. It does take a long time to draft, however over the years this has become the favorite format of my playgroup. We only play it every couple of months for 2 reasons. 1. We have a remote player in our playgroup so he needs to be in town. 2. It takes a good amount of time to draft and setup time ahead of time as I'm constantly updating it when new sets come out.

  • @jamesknowles9236
    @jamesknowles9236 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Secret Lairs: And I thought the Eldraine "collector's boosters" were a huge rip-off, but this crap is ridiculous. Please tell me that no-one is dumb enough to pay those prices for this @#$%.
    Cube/Commander cube: This looks like exactly the thing my group has been looking for to break the monotony of our magic games.
    Quest Host: I love DJ. He should be featured more on game knights (perhaps another cube episode with one of his cubes).

  • @williamkorb8211
    @williamkorb8211 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    What do you guys think of making a commander precon only cube?
    Obviously making it 3000+ cards would be a lot, so maybe like two years worth of precons together. I have a pauper cube but I’ve wanted to build a commander cube just don’t necessarily have the resources to spare.

  • @eddiegaytan236
    @eddiegaytan236 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    That was pretty annoying. I wanted to see how the actual card looked. Instead you guys left them on the table and zoomed into a computer image. Telling me the card stock is shit or print quality may be lacking. Either way I'm still getting this set of cards. But the reveal needed to be an ACTUAL REVEAL.

  • @Zookmottin
    @Zookmottin 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm just going to put this out there as someone who is built multiple cubes there is literally no reason to put multiple lands in any cube. Even before we had the vomit of multicolored lands we do now 10 years ago when cube was just starting to ramp up, it was not difficult to get a wildly diverse mana base.
    Now there is so many different types of multicolored lands if you included all of them you could draft with four people for commander 100 card decks and have perfect fixing

  • @chrisgebben2043
    @chrisgebben2043 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Just to let you guys know
    Yes I agree these are bad due to price and that the ones with foils they are curled which is bad
    But I should point out kaleidoscope killer is the most valuable of the bunch
    Because if all 3 in that one are foiled reaper king foils are 80$ and sliver overlord foils are 95$ (reaper king is due to scarcity though)

  • @Spicoli1Bilek
    @Spicoli1Bilek 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I know you didn't see my last comment about this but I'm sick and tired of you guys saying all you can go get our Command decks from Card Kingdom and then I go there and their 500 600 700 couple of more almost $1,000

  • @futur4343
    @futur4343 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Unfortunately we don't have any info on the card pairings with the Sanderson Cube.... We need a bit more details on how the cube is seeded in order to even make it work and play it.
    Does anyone have a list or the doubled cards / Card Pairings ?

  • @LORDARIES100
    @LORDARIES100 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I am sorry to say this but eclipse sleeves to have some variation over time. If you buy a lot close together they are fine but I have about 600 cards in my commander codex in eclipse sleeves and there are some minor variations. Not enough to really worry about for a cube but something to keep in mind

  • @karlwendt3573
    @karlwendt3573 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I've been considering putting together a commander cube for a while now. This just sealed the deal

  • @mrrbb2028
    @mrrbb2028 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Always looking forward to new videos. Thank you. Love your channel

  • @mattf1787
    @mattf1787 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can someone explain why cubes tend to be singleton?im thinking from the mind of a limited player where you can get multiples of certain cards. Thanks!

  • @davidgoulding1386
    @davidgoulding1386 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ha watch this now to learn about cubes and get a flash back when secret lairs were still early in coming.... Now I couldn't even tell you how many there has been lol ffs

  • @ericrush8584
    @ericrush8584 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You guys should make a podcast about adding a sixth color to magic.😺

  • @kkkrisada
    @kkkrisada 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Wotc: let's sell 5 premium foil kitties and 2 non-foil tokens for $30.
    Wotc also: Let's sell just these 3 premium foil cards with the same printing process for $40. Because math. And also because they do, but don't, acknowledge the secondary market.

    • @michaelgierusz5754
      @michaelgierusz5754 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      While not changing the foil process so they come curled

  • @king_eternal
    @king_eternal 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    this video has been up for like 10 mins and its an hr long. Don't you, people, even watch content before rating it?

  • @briannoone7047
    @briannoone7047 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    can you make a lair based command knights video? OMG! Kitties vs bittersweet blossom vs explosion noises vs restless in peace. *terrible decks only*

  • @kevenborrero5274
    @kevenborrero5274 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Will you guys be making a video or part of a video where you discuss coppa and its affect if any, to this channel when 2020 hits?

  • @MrVotiga
    @MrVotiga 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm looking to build an Unstable cube with contraptions and everything, and was thinking about making it Commander friendly. One problem I was anticipating was a lack of viable legendaries for the generals.
    The idea Josh brought up with the generic commanders on the side might help this

    • @chrisgallo2236
      @chrisgallo2236 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      MrVotiga I bought one from someone on eBay and it’s actually really fun to draft.

    • @MrVotiga
      @MrVotiga 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@chrisgallo2236 That's excellent! I never got a chance to draft Unstable normally, so I'm excited to try it

  • @sstankfish
    @sstankfish 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    This video was released 11 months ago, they discuss Secret Lair being a new product. We have seen 50 more Secret Lairs...

  • @statik8460
    @statik8460 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Awesome content