ULTIMATE OSCILLATING MULTI-TOOL SHOWDOWN! WHICH 12V OPTION IS BEST???
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I have the M18 and the M12 fuel ones. The M12 is my go to almost every time unless I need to do demo. Even then it's still a tiny little workhorse. Absolutely love the M12.
Thanks for providing perspective from the 18v!
I have the Bosch and I have to say that I agree with everything you said about it. It is LOUD, but even that was not the worse. The whole point of Starlock was to be quick-changing - and the 18V is definitely good at that - but to pay premium for Starlock blades and need a wrench to change it?!? And no storage on board? Seriously Bosch? The only redeming thing about it is that I got two free 12-V batteries with it, and I have a second tool other than my 18v, for a second location. Oh, yeah, even the 18v is VERY loud, and also it is not very nice to hold in the hand.
The 12v is a nice form factor for this tool in my opinion.
You've been putting out videos that seem to fall in line with what I'm looking into at the time so thanks for that. I'd be interested in seeing how the skil 12v would stack up sometime. Thanks again
I bought an m12 stubby for work, to find out if the battery breaking rumors were true. They are. And the battery shakes loose, like on the M18 drills 😅
I nearly bought it for the comparison but the budget was a little tapped out at the moment. The lighting on that tool seems impressive and I have been impressed with their 12v lineup so far.
Have you checked if theres a dude tinkering with tools in a tree outside your window? 🤣
I like a slide switch on a multitool because I tend to hold them in weird positions that makes it hard to keep your finger on the trigger. It's nice to be able to just dial in the speed, hit go, and then only have to focus on my cut.
I tend to agree with up until I was using to the DEWALT to cut and noticed how it was nice that it wasn’t always on while i was making the cut. But given how you said you use it, the trigger would be inconvenient
@@TinkerWithTools they should all just have a trigger with a lock, like a drywall gun.
@@devonboyer626 I thought i remembered the dewalt having the lock on feature where the safety would be. Same on the 20v
Great review sir. I've had many OMTs over the years and settled on DeWalt 20v for 99% of applications and the M12 fuel for demolition. The longer occilating range of the M12, lack of variable speed trigger, not-so-quick blade change, and need to remove and replace sanding triangles to switch back and forth, are all cons when doing finish work. The M12 definitely has the least vibration and fastest cut speed, but it's just not great for the fine work. The Dewalt quick change lever also hooks onto your toolbelt which is an unintented but very nice feature. I can't speak for the durability of the M12 but my Dewalts have seen miles of cuts over 5-7 years with no issues.
Thanks. And I appreciate your input as well.
Same here. The tool-less blade change and variable speed trigger are why I typically go for the DeWalt 20v over the M18 version when I'm working.
I use the 20V version of the Milwaukee and DeWalt tools regularly. Hands down the DeWalt 20V beats the M18 version. The tool-less blade change is a huge plus, as is the variable speed trigger, vs the M18's blade attachment system and on/off trigger. The Milwaukee's biggest advantage is less vibration but that's not a surprise because it's heavier than most other oscillating multi-tools.
The dewalt 12v is the fastest cutting of the three. It uses trigger control way better than switch and the blade change by far
The trigger control and blade change I will give you but I didn’t find it to be faster at cutting. It was actually the slowest in my testing. It still got the job done but it was noticeably less powerful than the Milwaukee and even the Bosch
Shameless plug here for the guys over at the "Confident Home Solutions" channel - they too did a good head-to-head video between these two tools - back in January, i think. Both are awesome tools in my experience - the Dewalt is lighter, smaller, has more convenient blade position adjustment, and is less expensive; the Milwaukee is smoother-feeling, and can be locked into intermediate speeds - can't go badly wrong with either IMO
Yeah the DEWALT has a lot going for it. That is a reason why it got a recommendation at the end of the video and not the Bosch.
I started with Rockwell still running old plug in model 90 I think. Bought the Milwaukee around 3 years ago or more and loved the little feller. My brother has the m18 and DeWalt don’t care for the DeWalt 20 volt xr.
There are things I like about both the DEWALT and Milwaukee but the Milwaukee really is a more robust tool.
I’m not a Skil person but that Skil 12v should have been compared with these, unless there is going to be a part 2 then I retract my statement…lol! I agree the Milwaukee is the best choice overall. I didn’t get only because I found a killer deal for a Ridgid oscillating tool/ hacksaw combo kit for the price of one of the tools. Great job on the video!
I think it would've been comparable but there was only so much budget to go around. I ended up getting the Dewalt to put in the video but might have to pick up the Skil in the future.
Nice review!! I picked the Bosch up for $26 dollars on clearance at Lowes. Agree with you its definitely a loud little bugger.
I think we bought from the same clearance sale. My was $15 for the OMT and $20 for the router. Did I need a 12v router? No, but I wasn't going to pass it up for $20.
Thank you for this video.
It allowed me to realize that Bosch has not ported down jet to the 12volt level their know-how applied in their latest GOP 18v-34 (=185-Li) model.
Also, I herewith modify and delete all of my initial comment that I made here and appologize. After receiving the quality response below, it made me realize I had misunderstood all. . SORRY
I probably could’ve phrased it better but as it compares to the other tools featured it is still the best. I have heard good things about the fine but that’s been more 18v version. As this was a video about 12v OMT I am not considering the 18v competition as that would be another video for different models of the tools. So while I agree that there are other options if you move to 18v, that wasn’t the subject of the video.
@@TinkerWithTools SORRY ! I'd gotten it all wrong AND was thuse also totally unfair. I replaced my initial comment (instead of deleting it all). Thank you again.
You’re welcome!
M12 Fuel is tops, especially for heavier jobs, but I still grab my Dewalt 20v OMT when it's more appropriate. I really like my Bosch 12v stuff for loght woodworking and such, but missed out on the OMT super clearance. Nice video and fair comparison, keep it up.
Thanks!
I had issue with a new m12 where it wouldn’t start properly after turning the switch on. You had to toggle a couple of times for it to start. I ended up returning and getting another same one later down the line.
I hate when you get a new tool and then have a problem with it. I bought the M12 fuel ratchet and part of the trigger mechanism was broken out of the box. My guess is that someone returned it and didn’t say anything but nothing is more deflating than a problem with a brand new tool.
Could you please do a head to head comparison with every multitool Milwaukee makes.
I would have to purchase three more at this point but I will put it on my idea list.
I have the M12 Milwaukee and the 20v Worx. I liked the Dewalt blade change, but the Milwaukee just is better all around. The Worx isn't bad at all, either.
I haven't tried the worx, but you are right on the Milwaukee being better on everything but the blade change and I don't feel that the Milwaukee is all that bad... it's just not quite as quick and easy.
I own the M12 Fuel and used to own the OG brushed M12 and for a brief time the DeWalt Atomic.
That M12 Fuel is no joke, it's got so much power for being a 12V but it's sized and weights more like an 18V. It's vibration dampening system is also really good and I felt it was a bit faster than the Atomic.
One thing I didn't like about the Atomic (and would apply for the 12V as well) is that you can only lock it in high speed therefore it wouldn't be the most suitable tool for things like detail sanding where would you prefer a lower speed setting and holding the trigger would make it a bit tiresome. That's the main reason I returned it.
Also the blade change system is clever as long as you don't use a closed loop attachment; I used to have one and required a screw adapter and hex key.
Out of these the choice is simple: M12 Fuel is way better than the other two.
The fact that the Xtreme is underpowered (makes me believe it's going to be at M12 brushed levels), the very limited lineup (the smallest of all three) and the cons I also mentioned for the Atomic are just too much and would make for a no go.
The Bosch has a bigger lineup, it performs better, lighter and has variable speed dial. That blade change system reminds me of the M12 brushed and I could live with it. Missing LED is a bummer, though. It would make for a distant pick #2 although if the Skil was part of the comparison it would take its place. It just seems to bring 80%-90% of the Milwaukee feature set and performance for 40%-50% of the cost
Most of the attachments I use come from Milwaukee, they all pretty much have the open end that works with the Dewalt well. I used to go to this tool for small sanding tasks but over the last few months, I have turned to the M12 sander that they released this year or last and that things is incredible.
Skil nearly made it in the comparison but there just wasn't sufficient budget after getting blades and things for the different dools. It seems nice and seems to have the best in class light. Might have to pick it up soon.
I was actually hoping you had Makita in the mix, but i still liked the video 😎
Glad you liked it. I have previously owned Makita's cxt stuff haven't owned it now. They don't sell it anywhere locally anymore so I haven't picked it up again since I started doing videos.
I have the M12 fuel and like it a lot. I caught it on a deal during home depot's BMSM sale and ended up paying $62 for it. It's been a workhorse.
That said, I'm thinking of picking up the dewalt for keeping in the shop to cut tabs on CNC projects.
That’s a good price. Nice job on that!
@@TinkerWithToolsThanks. 🙂
Yeah it was a steal. It was during one of the BMSM sales; the deal was supposed to be $150 off of $500 but it was applying twice so it was $300 off of $500. I grabbed the M12 OMT, packout vac and M18 surge. Great deal all around.
Good review brother. Very thorough, thought out and facts presented. However, as a lifelong Bosch fan, the ergonomics, has great power and the performance, as you have shown, that i get daily as a professional, more than makes up for the noise & vibrations,as you rightly pointed out. I happy with my choice. Great 12 volt choices anyway for us tradespeople. Much respect man.
The ergonomics and build quality were good and it even cut through things pretty well. But I just couldn’t get over the blade change and the noise. But I get that if you weren’t comparing it directly to the other two it would probably be less noticeable
@@TinkerWithTools Oh yes, you are right, i forgot. The blade change, being starlock, was not actually the starlock way of blade changes, a little annoying, yes, but hey, i am still satisfied. I got the 18V version with the right starlock way of changing anyway. Cheers!
Star lock with out that better blade change makes it feel like a disadvantage instead of an advantage.
I agree with that point.@@TinkerWithTools
I was able to get Dewalt 20v atomic on sale for 79. Since the 12 v batteries and tools were nearly same size, i prefer the 20v. I also picked up the Bosche on clearance for 30. Could not pass up. Ended up giving my son the Dewalt, which was my favorite since he needed one and already had batteries. I like the size of Bosch but the blade change is not good and a little shaky. But for 30 i could not pass. Maybe i will find the Milwaukee on sale🤪 yes, i have a tool problem. Son ends up with half my tools, but then i get to buy more. How else can i get my tool store fix? At least they don’t sell Festool too close or i would be in the dog house.
I haven't tried the Atomic version but i would be curious to see what the power difference is between that and the 12v. A powerstack battery on the atomic could make things interesting!
I'm on my Third M12 Fuel multi tool.
Something keeps happening with the dial switch. Even though it's on max speed it randomly fluctuates the speed up and down after a few months of use.
That said, it is the best multi tool around right now (for size, weight, performance)
Have you been able to warranty replace them? I appreciate you providing that input though. I have had mine for a few years, but I am sure it's not getting the same level of use
@@TinkerWithTools Yep they've warrantied it every time no issue and gave me a new one so it's not the end of the world but it would be nice if it didn't keep doing it haha
Skil has a good contender in this category. I have the dewalt, but I like using the Skil more. I’m looking for the older model m12. Gotta try ‘em all. Yolo. Lol
Yeah, I considered adding the Skil to this but the budget didn't allow it this time around.
I agree. My Skil 12v oscillating tool is all I need. Very low vibration also
I’ll have to give it a try
I use the M18 fuel and the DeWalt Xtreme. Good duo for finish carpentry. Woot has the xtreme for 70$ on occasion
I have wanted to try the M18... might have to look for a good sale and finally grab it. The other one I have wanted to try is the black Makita version they sell here.
@@TinkerWithToolsI have heard really good things about the vibration of the Makita. I can’t justify $220 when it doesn’t even have the nifty “blade snaps right in” Starlock design.
I have the Kobalt 24v. It’s quite low vibration. It makes me wonder if I should look at the Flex. It has the proper Starlock system and a nice LED. Fein doesn’t have an LED On theirs.
I might have to start picking up some 18-24v versions when they become a available but they are just more expensive like you mentioned.
@@TinkerWithTools Yeah. I’ve got two: the $99 Kobalt gen2, and a ~2014 year corded MultiMaster. I used an M12 Fuel for one project.
The tool change on the M12 annoyed me because I had to unscrew it a bit. But most of my blades were old school Fein which are closed at the end. I think the open ended blades might be able to slide on without unscrewing the M12 center pin?
The Kobalt is similar to the M12 mechanism except you press and rotate the center pin to remove it. But I have bought a lot of new blades with open backs, and that means that I don’t need to remove the center pin.
I have really really gotten addicted to the trigger. Kobalt has three top speed settings and a trigger. It lets me adjust my hands and think before pulling the trigger. Feels more relaxed than having to turn it on and then start cutting.
Noise and vibration on the Kobalt are quite decent. Can’t speak to power because I haven’t been using it that way.
The StarLock “blades drop out” just seems so nifty. But then I think about the ~dozen different shapes of scrapers that I have, and how expensive they’d be in StarLock. And I’m pretty sure you can’t even get all of them in StarLock.
Flex is what my next one will be. Chervon makes both Flex and Kobalt, so I assume the Flex vibration will be as good or better than Kobalt.
A 12v MultiMaster tempts me but the lack of LED is a deal breaker! The last M12 project I did involved cutting out some stuff in recessed parts of my RV. The corded Fein required me to have a separate light I kept repositioning.
Yeah with the open back blades you just have to loosen the screw a little bit once the clamp is undone. It’s not perfect but I don’t think it’s too cumbersome.
It‘s a shame bosch doesn‘t have the quick change you get in their 18v since it makes starlock the best system
I really hope they update it asap
Yeah that really stood out.
You try the fein one? It’s suppose to be the best
I haven't tried it. From what I have heard it is pretty nice.
GOP 18V-34 ..is even better
Bosch GOP 185-Li the best ;)
Just bought the DEWALT version
Hope you enjoy it!
M12 all day long 💯
The m12 eats batteries. To the point it is annoying.
Do you mean it goes through batteries quickly? Or is it somehow damaging your batteries.
@@TinkerWithTools goes through batteries quick.
It likely simply has to do with it being a bit more powerful than the other two. At the end of the day they all run on the same relative size of batteries. I recommend the M12 for people that want a nice OMT but don't necessarily need the full power of the M18. But if you are running it for long periods of time the M18 seems to be a better fit maybe.