Solid Guide as a long-time Doom fan, it feels weird going from Glass cannon to Stonewall. I feel as though as if only his power block did just a tiny bit more we would see him shift to a more fun playing experience.
i am a masters doom one trick with around 430 hrs on doom, and i can say that your guide is great ! i would also like to add that i slightly disagree with the counters and soft counters list i would say that doom hard counters are ana, hog, orisa(hardest counter by far atm) and sombra, the main soft counters are zen, kiriko, phara, reaper, cassidy, soujourn and dva. but doom is good against sigma, rein, ball, junker queen, moira, brig, any sniper character or turret charcter, doom is better then it seems imo, and now we getting buffs, i bout to get to gm this season fr
I see what you mean with hog and how he's a hard counter, but I've found the only counter hog brings to doom is his hook. Yeah his ult can push you out of position but with doom's movement he can avoid it fairly easily. Punch cancelling hogs heal nearly on cooldown is what kept him from my hard counter list, though i should've mentioned him in soft counters. Thank you for your feedback :)
@@realspazdor the thing with hog is that in high elo getting hooked = death and the ult if used properly can always guarantee a easy kill with its massive damage, even more now with kiriko making him soooo free
They need to add his uppercut back the level change allowed him to break line of site easier which allowed him to get shot less which means *HE WAS BETTER AT NOT TAKING DAMAGE WITH HIS UPPERCUT* his block is also just not strong enough to mitigate the fact that his kit centers around DISTANCE CONTROL AND HE HAS A LOW DPS SHORT RANGE SHOTGUN so when he uses his kit to survive it cripples his ability to defend himself
While I hear you on why uppercut was a good ability to help doomfist avoid damage, as a tank he has to help his whole team not take damage. It is very niche as to when doom can block damage for his team though. Bringing back uppercut would make him more of a selfish hero as opposed to a team hero. Block enabling empowered punch is how he deals with distance control now, knowing when you can use empowered punch as elimination setup is just part of his game sense now. Block just needs to be able to block more abilities (hook, sleepdart, cassidy nade) before it can become a competent damage mitigation ability.
@@realspazdor they still butchered a tanks survivability also you shouldn't build characters around only being viable with a full team pocket also his dps isn't high enough as a high mobility tank to threaten anyone who 1 has a dps with them and 2. has a higher hp than 300 so even if you were right it doesn't cover for his poor kit choice also doomfist is a selfish hero he was in prison for a reason
A winston and a wrecking ball crumble without full team support. One is debatably the best tank in the game and the other is debatably the worst tank in the game (besides doom obviously). Yes, most of the better tanks in the game dont need full team support, but the game is so much easier with full team support no matter the tank. The game is built around the full team supporting each other. If they're gonna buff any damage in his kit, it'll be his hand cannon or 10 - 15 extra onto his empowered punch. They have to be careful how much they buff his damage bc if they go too far he'll literally be a DPS with 400 health. As much as I want his damage to be buffed severely, it isnt healthy for the game. Also yeah, he is a selfish personality, landing in prison like that lol
@@realspazdor winston is not the worst tank i main him and his jump cooldown is 5 seconds his shield is 8s but it has 800 health he doesn't need to aim tbh so i just follow doom and if i get focused i die but they suffer for full focusing me while i still hurt doom badly my point is he is not a tank be honest with yourself two out of his three abilities control distance plus he has a shotgun primary but yet his block is almost irrelevant because the incentive is tank for your dps but the block has a long cooldown and it doesn't prevent that much damage at all then add that his kit is a dive and hit and run and boom you have a self punishing tank that is bad at everything
you must have read what i said wrong, lemme clarify. WINSTON is best tank in the game, debatably. WRECKING BALL is the worst tank in the game besides doom.
i would like to mention hog as a hard counter as soon as you plant feet to punch or block he hook and you dead I guess if you have the movement down you wont notice
Game sense has a lot to do with it, that comes from hours upon hours of gameplay. Subtleties in fights that become obvious red or green flags, I wish I could teach that tbh😂
from my (limited) personal experience bastion hasn't been much of a counter, if anything my best games have had him on the other team. while he burns your hp unbelievably quickly, playing corners carefully and having semi-consistent heals has basically let me farm empowered punch, then i find that engaging while his sentry mode is on cooldown is pretty easy, especially since comps with bastion will typically have the team more grouped up around him and the tank.
Honestly, if they charge ur punch you can engage and probably kill while in sentry mode. I find this easier because of his huge hitbox and very limited movement.
At the time of recording and editing this guide in my doom games I was able to outplay a lot of hogs so he didn't come to mind as a counter. Even though he is one of dooms hard counters currently
Revelation 12:17 New International Version 17 Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to wage war against the rest of her offspring-those who keep God’s commands and hold fast their testimony about Jesus.
Soft Counters - Everyone that isn't Sombra
Hard counter - Sombra
I love how his counters include half of the overwatch cast. It’s a bad time to be a doom main 😢.
yeah 😢
I'm having fun at mayhem in QP is pain :(
Not anymore 👀
Thanks for this guide I’ll use it to throw multiple games learning Doomfist
Solid Guide as a long-time Doom fan, it feels weird going from Glass cannon to Stonewall. I feel as though as if only his power block did just a tiny bit more we would see him shift to a more fun playing experience.
I am trying to become good with doom fist and your video really helped me keep it up
13:02 I felt that for real it brought up past trauma
2:37 after seeing that kill I am going to 1000% main doomfist now
i am a masters doom one trick with around 430 hrs on doom, and i can say that your guide is great ! i would also like to add that i slightly disagree with the counters and soft counters list i would say that doom hard counters are ana, hog, orisa(hardest counter by far atm) and sombra, the main soft counters are zen, kiriko, phara, reaper, cassidy, soujourn and dva. but doom is good against sigma, rein, ball, junker queen, moira, brig, any sniper character or turret charcter, doom is better then it seems imo, and now we getting buffs, i bout to get to gm this season fr
I see what you mean with hog and how he's a hard counter, but I've found the only counter hog brings to doom is his hook. Yeah his ult can push you out of position but with doom's movement he can avoid it fairly easily. Punch cancelling hogs heal nearly on cooldown is what kept him from my hard counter list, though i should've mentioned him in soft counters.
Thank you for your feedback :)
@@realspazdor the thing with hog is that in high elo getting hooked = death
and the ult if used properly can always guarantee a easy kill with its massive damage, even more now with kiriko making him soooo free
They need to add his uppercut back the level change allowed him to break line of site easier which allowed him to get shot less which means *HE WAS BETTER AT NOT TAKING DAMAGE WITH HIS UPPERCUT* his block is also just not strong enough to mitigate the fact that his kit centers around DISTANCE CONTROL AND HE HAS A LOW DPS SHORT RANGE SHOTGUN so when he uses his kit to survive it cripples his ability to defend himself
While I hear you on why uppercut was a good ability to help doomfist avoid damage, as a tank he has to help his whole team not take damage. It is very niche as to when doom can block damage for his team though. Bringing back uppercut would make him more of a selfish hero as opposed to a team hero. Block enabling empowered punch is how he deals with distance control now, knowing when you can use empowered punch as elimination setup is just part of his game sense now. Block just needs to be able to block more abilities (hook, sleepdart, cassidy nade) before it can become a competent damage mitigation ability.
@@realspazdor they still butchered a tanks survivability also you shouldn't build characters around only being viable with a full team pocket also his dps isn't high enough as a high mobility tank to threaten anyone who 1 has a dps with them and 2. has a higher hp than 300 so even if you were right it doesn't cover for his poor kit choice also doomfist is a selfish hero he was in prison for a reason
A winston and a wrecking ball crumble without full team support. One is debatably the best tank in the game and the other is debatably the worst tank in the game (besides doom obviously). Yes, most of the better tanks in the game dont need full team support, but the game is so much easier with full team support no matter the tank. The game is built around the full team supporting each other. If they're gonna buff any damage in his kit, it'll be his hand cannon or 10 - 15 extra onto his empowered punch. They have to be careful how much they buff his damage bc if they go too far he'll literally be a DPS with 400 health. As much as I want his damage to be buffed severely, it isnt healthy for the game.
Also yeah, he is a selfish personality, landing in prison like that lol
@@realspazdor winston is not the worst tank i main him and his jump cooldown is 5 seconds his shield is 8s but it has 800 health he doesn't need to aim tbh so i just follow doom and if i get focused i die but they suffer for full focusing me while i still hurt doom badly my point is he is not a tank be honest with yourself two out of his three abilities control distance plus he has a shotgun primary but yet his block is almost irrelevant because the incentive is tank for your dps but the block has a long cooldown and it doesn't prevent that much damage at all then add that his kit is a dive and hit and run and boom you have a self punishing tank that is bad at everything
you must have read what i said wrong, lemme clarify. WINSTON is best tank in the game, debatably. WRECKING BALL is the worst tank in the game besides doom.
Been playing Doom for a long time, in ow 1 aswell but still learned som new things👍
i would like to mention hog as a hard counter as soon as you plant feet to punch or block he hook and you dead I guess if you have the movement down you wont notice
ok but how do i otp him against hardcounters and win like zbra and quake?
Game sense has a lot to do with it, that comes from hours upon hours of gameplay. Subtleties in fights that become obvious red or green flags, I wish I could teach that tbh😂
from my (limited) personal experience bastion hasn't been much of a counter, if anything my best games have had him on the other team. while he burns your hp unbelievably quickly, playing corners carefully and having semi-consistent heals has basically let me farm empowered punch, then i find that engaging while his sentry mode is on cooldown is pretty easy, especially since comps with bastion will typically have the team more grouped up around him and the tank.
Honestly, if they charge ur punch you can engage and probably kill while in sentry mode. I find this easier because of his huge hitbox and very limited movement.
What website are the pop-up ability stats from? I used to refer to that website all the time but I lost my bookmark.
Overwatch Wiki overwatch.fandom.com
@@realspazdor thanks
2:34 RIP Phara
You don't consider Hog a counter, but WIDOW is a doom counter ??
Can't wait for the pharah guide, in which we learn reaper is a pharah counter.
At the time of recording and editing this guide in my doom games I was able to outplay a lot of hogs so he didn't come to mind as a counter. Even though he is one of dooms hard counters currently
@@realspazdor Counters aren't a thing if you're good enough :D
My point exactly 🤣🤣
dooms counters = meta
Lists soft counters…proceeds to list the entire Overwatch 2 roster lol
not a word about tracer
I swear it wouldnt always be so bad if he wasnt that buggy
Revelation 12:17
New International Version
17 Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to wage war against the rest of her offspring-those who keep God’s commands and hold fast their testimony about Jesus.