I've been driving and working on cars for a very long time and oil dilution isn't normal.... period - full stop. And just saying it is, doesn't make it so! And I'm getting really tired of companies fixing mechanical problems by simply re-defining the word "normal". Like a friend that just had his head gaskets replaced on his Subaru... and strangely enough he told me it was "normal" for Subarus to need head gasket replacement... NO! Blowing head gaskets are NOT normal! Oil dilution is NOT normal! It's due to poor design, cheap parts or poor build quality. If you are going to take your customer's hard earned money engines that run right and transmissions that shift right should be the only thing normal about them for at least the first hundred to two hundred thousand miles...
@RJ THANK YOU!!!! Well said. I need you to go to the dealership with me so you can tell them this!! I’m so tired of hearing that the excessive oil dilution is normal.
@@shocksemler8145 Sadly, I doubt that your dealer can fix the problem, which seems to be inherent in the design... so when they say it's normal, they mean normal for that particular model.. Very likely, all you can do is to sell that headache to some unsuspecting fool and get yourself a car that's designed and built right. It's unfair and unjust, but when you buy a lemon you usually lose. That's the way it's always been. My rule with loser cars is to get out from under them before they eat you. Bad usually becomes worse over time. Best luck.
@R J: Speaking of potential lemons, I have a 2014 Nissan Altima, original owner, 35k miles. I baby it. I’m sure you’re aware of the CVT issues in these cars, so I’m wondering your thoughts, as to whether I should keep it or sell it. It runs great, no issues with the transmission or anything else mechanically to date. Maintenance is up to date.
As a owner of a 2018 Honda CRV in a cold climate and having all the updates done including the last which involves an interior warmer, further programing changes, a circulating coolant heater of sorts and some kind of change to coolant flow I do feel that the cabin heat and oil dilution issues are improved. Not fixed but improved. Though ambient temperatures in my part of the world have not been severely cold my oil level runs about 1/8" above full which is no where near the 5/8" it was at the beginning. Now with the use of the interior warmer on cold start I turn the heater fan and the temperature setting on low. The warmer, heated seats and wheel has made the cab bearable and possibly due to the other changes, the engine warms up much quicker especially when it does not have to heat the heater core as well. As soon as the indicator is solidly in the gauge I turn up the temperature and put it on auto. Yes I will pay a bit more on my power bill but it is more comfortable. You refer to short trips being a factor but realize that it has to run for a long period after it reaches temperature to vaporize any gas in the crank case. In my experience 10 mile trips is not enough and long road trips have not lowered the high oil level much. Not happy about having to change the oil more often to extend engine life. Just thought I would share. No more Hondas for me.
i cant blame you ...if thats the case thank god i dont have any issues with my crv...not yet anyway but, i use my remote start to give the engine time to warm up. Any issues crop up like that on mine.....i am TRADING IT PERIOD, I WONT TAKE CHANCES.
That much fuel going into the engine oil is still a serious issue. Diluting the oil with gasoline, which is not a good lubricant, will cause accelerated wear or damage to the bearings, cam journals, and other components inside the engine. That unburned fuel is also washing oil off the cylinder walls, causing accelerated wear of the cylinder bores, piston rings, piston skirts, etc. The engine will begin to burn excessive oil as the wear worsens. The worst part is that if the engine already has an issue with excessive oil dilution, that unburned fuel in the oil will mask an oil consumption problem because the oil level on the dipstick won't appear to be moving. You might even think the oil dilution issue was "fixed" by Honda or just went away on its own. However, if you were to send that oil to a lab that does used oil analysis, it will come back as having an excessively high amount of fuel in the oil --- your engine burned 3 quarts of oil in 5,000 miles, but the engine dumped 3 quarts of unburned fuel into the oil so the level on the dipstick never changed. Your engine would have ran on a 50-50 oil/gasoline mixture.... yikes.
@Jeff Sol I agree, my '99 Camry is one of those sweet spot vehicles. It was like winning the lottery when I found it with low miles! It's been 7 years now since I bought it and I've just hit 123K miles on it! It's my only vehicle and I drive it everywhere, even though it's now 21 years old!
You would need to bring back carburetors and they would fail emissions tests. We eliminated them in the 80’s, also the mechanical ones were replaced by electronic ones. Basically we still use electronic but they are more efficient now. They are also easier to maintain. I had a fuel injection problem with every car except Honda, the carbon buildup is no longer an issue due to VTEC and GDI. It actually has to do with the tumble flow and valve angle. Basically the valve is still down when the gas mist flows through the chamber so there is still some valve cleaning that is being done. At the end of the day though it’s really the driver that determines carbon buildup or really anything related to car longevity
@@SCraig-Handsome Some VW mechanics says that it is possible to slow down carbon buildup but not eliminate it in VAG engines. Toyota has a D4-S, both port and DI. I do not think there is any valid excuse for carbon buildup from car manufacturers. The dilution in Honda is caused by low friction (loos) piston rings. Again, reliability taking a hit for decent numbers on the brochures.
Waldemar Ishibashi had Toyota’s for 20 years, switched to Honda and no repairs since, had 2 Siennas with fuel injection problems around 110,000. Always had to get injection service with them, very reliable overall but not as reliable as Honda. Service is a lot more expensive, same with Hyundai, no repair issues so far but higher maintenance than Honda or Toyota. Honda is just better at building engines and Toyota is higher risk due to innovation. Honda will wait to do more research before putting new stuff into the hands of consumers. VW I have never owned one but really hard to find now due to emissions problems
If you had to get a Cr-V, find a 2019 or older model with the 2.4L. I am genuinely disappointed by Honda because they used to make great cars. Several issues that I have personally encountered: Around 2010, they switched their paint to shitty water-based paint and all the models from that era were affected. Honda expects people to park their cars in the garage, as a result, only garage-kept Honda's would avoid the paint de-lamination. Not everyone has access to park a car in the garage. Honda knew about the paint issue, and would only offer recalls on popular/expensive models. The dealership also knew about the issue, and they stated that they were not fixing it. (My fiancé has a 2011 Honda Fit in blue, and the paint on the roof started fading in 2015) Oil dilution is not normal, so stop calling it normal.
@@davrontosh7657 It's an issue that affects these brands that people just assume are rock-solid reliable based on past vehicles. Companies like Honda and Toyota have been given a pass for so long that they started letting quality decline and brushed serious issues under the rug. My wife and I have owned a few 2010+ Hondas and Toyotas and the experience has been very eye opening. Quality and reliability have really slid. My new Tacoma was a total lemon - transmission problems, engine stalling issues, electrical gremlins, misaligned truck bed, hood fluttering in the wind, rear differential howling so loud I could hear it over the radio, etc. My wife's CRV was similarly plagued with issues including the crankcase flooding with gasoline.
I know a CR-V owner who told me that the fix was ECU programming to direct the heat to the engine instead of cabin that makes the inside of the car stay cold until engine warms up, and extension of the warranty 1 year, which is ridiculous in my opinion. In fact China told Honda to stop selling cars with this engine until issue is completely resolved, something that will never happen here, because of business interests and lobbying.
yea chinas laws and hondas are different because they have different engines. Yea, china knows how to eat their young but they dont no deffective cars on their roads. chop chop.
So if the oil levels “rises” above maximum levels due to fuel in oil, I’m sure that the oil seals would be under major stress and could rupture and blow should pressures rise under high RPM’s.
You should listen a little closer as he never stated that. What he said is that oil dilution is normal for any engine and that is a fact. What I'll add is that with a normal engine it is very, very slight to almost negligible. So not even noticeable.
@@TheCompyshop not really, I have a shop and most vehicles are the opposite, I did see this on several CR-V but in cold climate, Honda has a problem here. I know of a guy who had his bought back, at first Honda had him come in every 2 weeks for oil change and when they came up with the first "fix" it would still be an inch above the full mark in 2 weeks, stalled out, lemon buy back. But "normal" sure
whats disturbing to me is the amount of youtubers with the 1.5 crv that have fairly long commutes to work (20 miles each way) or who go on a long road trip that still report high levels above the full line . So that theory kinda goes out the window
I bought the 2020 Civic with the 2L, since it is not only the engine that does not mix oil and gas, but this K-series VTEC engine is a multi-point (port injected) engine. I do not have to worry about carbon buildup like on the 1.5 turbo. For anyone deciding on a new Civic, I personally think you should still avoid the 1.5 if you are expecting typical honda reliability and go to competitors like the Corolla or Mazda 3, but the 2L is probably one of the most reliable new cars you can buy.
07 civic coupe with the 1.8 liter. 215000 mile going strong. No cracked engine block yet. Put a bmw float switch in the coolant reservoir to an indicator light in dash just to keep a lookout for slow leaks.
BEFORE YOU YELL AT US BELOW.... We are impartial towards oil dilution. This video is intended to INFORM and takes into account both what CR-V owners and Honda say about the issue. We're not paid by Honda, but we just wanted to provide some clarity into the situation since it concerns a lot of viewers.
Car Confections You didn't mention the oil itself or more specifically the additive pkg is being redesigned to be less prone to dilution. This new 0w16 oil is being referred to 0w16b. Also the oil dilution problem in the Honda turbo engine is (rumoured) to be caused by slightly smaller pistons and rings being used to reduce internal friction resulting in better fuel mileage. Has this specific issue been addressed by manufacturers? That is a question no one seems to be answering.
f181234 the new oil I was referring too is not out til mid year 2020. Its a re formulated additive pkg. I thought I had made that clear in my original post. Sorry for the confusion.
Used to be a fan of Honda. Had a 2006 Honda S2000 and absolutely loved it. Best car I ever owned. These newer Hondas don't seem to be as good quality. I've owned Mazda, Toyota, Hyundai and never had a problem with those manufacturers.
@Official Jonathan - Do you own a newer Honda to corroborate your belief? I actually bought a new 2017 Honda CR-V Touring at the end of 2017 and absolutely love it. I'm also impressed with the high quality. I've never had the "oil dilution" problem since day one. - I'm still a Honda fan: The Honda Civic Type R Destroys The Competition - The Best Engines: th-cam.com/video/BtkGMUY-4hs/w-d-xo.html
Dude Honda still makes good cars.... I now own Civic Type R and it is a beast of a car! They are not affected by the oil dilution problem. The K20C1 is one of the best engines ever made. I used to have an AP1 S2000 and the Civic Type R blows the s2000 out of the water. Handling and acceleration/speed is superior in the FK8 Type R. I recommend you test drive a used one.
@@eddiep812 The Type R engine is a marvel of Engineering, it almost has a vertical torque curve. I have had my Type R on the highway and when safe, I did some short pulls... it is shocking how effortlessly it pulls to 120mph and will keep pulling hard (but I let off becuase I dont want to lose my license). It is like Zeus's Chariot. Something about the way that engine makes power. I also own a WRX STI and the STI engine (ej257) just cannot compare to the Type R engine (K20C1). The STI feels broken in comparison lol. Only reason I keep and drive my STI is the AWD is better for bad weather. Prior to buying my Type R. I test drove a 550hp(estimated) Supercharged 05 Mustang and a Mustang GT350, neither of those cars impressed me as much as the a Civic Type R did.
I bought Toyota for 20 years, switched to Honda, saved a ton of $$ and never had a repair... my 2011 Sienna engine seized due to a engine belt issue and destroyed the engine.... $4,500
Well, I own a 2018 CR-V with this 1.5 L engine. It has 44000 km on it and I never had any problem with it, It kept 7L / 100 Km since I bought it . Very happy with it.
I was watching another video about the oil dilution, and they were saying the ones with problems are the people who are running the engine cold, and driving a mile or two then shutting the engine off on a regular basis. If you are driving and warming up the engine, especially in cold weather, they haven't had any issues.
@@ham3749 am from Kenya,East Africa and I am planning to buy the 2017 honda crv with the 1.5l vtec turbo engine. I live in a hot area with an average temperature of 40 degrees Celsius and it barely rains.So would I be safe if I buy a 2016 or 2017 honda crv with a 1.5l turbo engine?
When listening to this review I started to grin when I heard, "well, the gasoline gets stuck between the piston and the cylinder wall". Sounds very high tech explanation. My 2.7L Diesel turbo has no oil dilution with 10K miles change intervals. With the high compression of this little 1.5L motor, the direct injection, the turbo engaging and some cold temperatures if you buy the Honda at this time you will be in a world of hurt within 5 years. Some drivers like acceleration and the turbo coming in really does the motor no good. I have instructed my daughter to buy the Rav4 with 2.5L and Toyota's combination of port and direct injection with a lower compression and no turbo business. The daughter has a heavy foot on the gas pedal so the Rav4 with 8 speed automatic vs. the Honda CV transmission was the way to go. The Rav4 will get a little better gas mileage than the Honda and probably last way beyond 200K miles. I suggest trading your 1.5L turbo Honda for a different brand at your earliest opportunity. Just face it: the Honda 1.5L turbo motor is a disaster and there is no way out of it so do the trade. There are a few 2.7L Diesel turbo vehicles around Chicago that have 500K miles and one man has 800K miles on his and he buys tires same place as I.
The trouble with fuel dilution is that it breaks down the lubricating film that separates the metal parts... making it more likely that you'll see scoring up and down the bores. Even small amounts of fuel in the oil seem to result in scoring of the bores as it's a common problem in many different direct injected vehicles... as they age. 😞
who the hell going to buy when there is confusion related to oil dilution? who will keep going to change oil frequently when you purchased new CRV? practically nonsense
Sadly this takes what used to be a great manufacturer out of consideration. Until a mechanical redesign is put in place, it’s not fixed. All too often manufactures resort to a ‘remap’ as the solution. Excessive fuel making it past piston rings is beyond that. We are in an interesting period where many have been caught out by direct injection. We’re seeing the migration to port and direct which hopefully will take care of the majority of the carbon issues.
I agree. Honda quality has gone down in recent years. I say that as a long time Honda owner. Pretty sure I am switching to Toyota or Lexus next time around.
Honda did, they later did admit the 1.5L turbo engine with all these environmental concern is an issue. Hence they extended warranties on all 1.5L turbo owners.......They also acknowledge the fact a lot of the owners are having engine stalling, misfires, and lack of power issues....This is the new generation of problems by sticking a turbocharger while downsizing engine.....The engine of that small just can't handle the amount of engine pressure to compensate for the lack of power.
@@441meatloaf They should bring back the 2.4L Engine that is not tubrocharger for the crv, accord and the civic as well as to fix their weak automatic transmission!
@@raymondali3688 Thats not gonna happen anytime soon with the way how emission controls are getting tighter. But at least subaru is still using bigger engines and putting turbos on it like their new 2.4L or mazdas 2.5L turbos.
Checked my nephew's 16 civic. As soon as I popped the hood i could smell the gas. It was over half inch overfilled. It was very thin black runny oil. I advised him to changed the oil immediately. He told me the maintenance minder was only at 60%......... I closed the hood and went inside.... The exact fix for these cars has still hasn't been explained. Honda tells there customer to live it nothing more be done. People really don't understand cars and will probably drive it till it conks out on the highway. Let's see how all this plays out over time. I'll stick with port injection non turbo engine vehicles for now.
@Anubisavi Unless you're using conventional motor oil, which is rare in modern cars, there's no need to change the oil after just 5,000 kms. It's both wasteful resource-wise and financially. Synthetic blend is safe to use under normal conditions for up to 8,000 kms or 6 months. Full synthetic goes up to 12,000-15,000 kms or 1 year.
@@Lucky8s believe that marketing bs if you want. I'd rather spend the extra money on oil rather than a new engine. Auto manufacturers have an incentive for you to wear your engine out in 150k miles so believing them just because they say it means nothing.
I own a 2018 CRV that had the oil dilution problem. The problem was very real. Based on dipstick measurements ie the distance between full and 1 quart low, my car was 2.5 quarts over filled. This was with 40% of oil life left. The engine only holds a little over 3 quarts when full. My oil was almost 50% gasoline! I have photos to prove it. Honda updated the computer in January 2019 and it seemed it
Same thing here. I have 2018 CRV _EXL had it at the dealer 3 times for oil dilution,. They said "it is normal" , however they agree to change oil at no cost to me (think about it - sounds suspicion?). They also changed the software, but the problem is still the same. Dealer, neither Honda can't define the abnormal oil level. They can't define excessive oil dilution either. However, they standing behind oil viscosity specification, Dealer refused to provide oil sample for independent oil analysis.
While all GDI engines have some oil dilution, none have experienced these problems that the 1.5 has. And according to what I found online, the 2019 Civics, CRVs, and Accord 1.5s are still having the oil dilution issue. I am pretty sure the fault lies within the piston rings, not the software. Honda says they fixed it, but until they release a recall and a real fix, they havent. OIL DILUTION IS NEVER NORMAL. Many other manufacturers make great GDI engines, but Honda doesnt. (Nothing against you guys)
The Accord is impacted too. My 2018 Accord Sport 1.5 6 speed just had the entire fuel management system and cylinder head replaced after multiple check engine lights and stalling issues. Honda didn't say it was oil dilution, but all the symptoms point to that and carbon build up. I'm only at 25k miles! I love my car, but I won't put $6k of repairs in this car when it's out of warranty. Also I drive 80 miles a day of highway round trip each day for work. I rarely do short drives.
That's terrible. Although I despise the 10th gens exterior and engine choices I'd have to say the J series V6 is the most reliable engine Honda ever put on the Accord
@@HydraliskX He could have purchased his 2018 Accord is say December 2018 and some dealers would have 2018 models until Jan/Feb 2019. So it's possible his elapsed time with the car is 1 year. The math supports him if he works 5 days a week and has weekends off ( 5 days x 80 miles per days = 400 miles a week. 400 miles a week times 52 weeks in a year is 20,800 miles in one year )
I’m NEVER buying another Honda, Toyota, Kia, Ford, Chevy, GMC, Lexus, Nissian, Acura, Infiniti, Mazda, Buick, Hyundai, Jeep, Subaru and on and on. You See That Statement ALL over TH-cam and Forums. Guess I’ll have to build my own vehicle just to make sure it will NEVER EVER have ANY problems or break down.
I own a 19 civic hatch and I remember hearing about the problem with the Crv. I remember changing my oil and smelling a strong smell of gas. I contacted my dealership and they told me it’s only with the Crv. After about 6 months Honda said it’s also the civic now and they have an update for the software to fix it. I took it in got a free oil change and update and tbh I think it’s fixed I smell no gas in my oil when I change it now.
The problem appears to be the GDI design, forcing too much gas into the combustion chamber with a stronger pump than is typical for direct fuel injection on a Vtech engine. If you want TDI buy a turbo diesel. Gasoline is a surfactant, not a lubricant.
First of all, you're giving us the manufacturer's mealy-mouthed explanation of the problem. Second of all, the results of oil dilution probably won't become apparent until well after that six-year warranty expires. Honda needs to extend it to 10 years. Thirdly, auto manufacturers are famous for not honoring warranties on older vehicles (see Ford's dual-clutch issues). And finally, the 1.5-liter turbo is also used in many other Hondas including the Accord. Is this something we should be worried about with every car that uses this engine? Since Honda clearly doesn't want to admit they have a problem, I would suggest avoiding all models with this motor until long term data can be collected. It's really a damn shame. Honda is famous for making reliable, long-lasting vehicles. This is the kind of scandal that can destroy a manufacturer's reputation.
I think if Honda does not have a real fix for the engine they need to buy those vehicles back or put in new corrected engines. Expensive for Honda? Yes, of course...but they owe it to the consumers who bought these defective turbo GDI engines.
Exactly. The author of this video is just mindlessly repeating what Honda said. Seriously suggestions like "don't use your vehicle for short trips", "Spend a fortune in frequent oil changes" and so on are straight up BS. And he didn't address the fact that those "fixes" they did on the previous models didn't fix it then, so why would it make a difference now?
Very informative! We have a 2018 CRV and a 2018 Civic. We live in the south and drive on the highway to work everyday so I haven’t seen any problems. Good info, you did a great job explaining it.
Have you pulled your dip stick at regular intervals. and checked for over fill ,and smelled the stick for gasoline? If not, I suggest you get in a regular habit of doing so about ever 1,000 miles . My understanding is before the mileage reaches 70,000 miles due to the gasoline diluting the oil ,serious problems develop. Sorry !
I will never buy a Honda ever again from the experience I've had with Honda Manufacturer reps. Never, ever, ever. It's clear that the dealer may want to do right (emphasis on "may"), but Honda does not care, not for one second. They want people to keep buying their cars, and just hide the truth about the various real problems with their cars. They don't have the courage to come out and say this to the public because if they talked to the public, you would clearly see how much they really really don't care about the public.
Thank you so much. Buying a 2021 Toyota Rav4. A 1.5L Turbo in a Suv is just asking for trouble & ANY Oil Dilution is a problem. I live in cold climate & short drives are all I do. Toyota Rav4 may have it's quirks too but the engine is solid. Maybe that's why Honda for the first time EVER is offering 0% financing. Mhmm
I have an 04 Civic and it's tough as nails. After watching this video I'm going to look at the Mazda 6 as my next purchase even though I was looking at the Accord. Thanks.
If you wait for the new Mazda 6, there will be more options such as a plug-in or inline 6. The current generation is very well tested and reliable though!
I owned a 2019 CRV EX, with the 1.5 turbo, and had very severe oil dilution problems in my warm Central California location. I took it to the local dealer, and had him smell the dipstick, which smelled badly of oil, and they said it was normal. I had two independent mechanics look at it, and they said it was severe oil dilution, and recommended I change the oil every 2000 miles. I ended up selling the car after 15,000 miles, after I read that there were recalls to this engine in Canada and northern States of the U.S., and later in China. When my dealer professed never hearing about the problem, I lost all trust in Honda.
No oil dilution problems on my 2020 Toyota Highlander XLE with a naturally aspirated V6 engine! Sorry Honda but the oil dilution issues cost you my business. If anyone else feels lucky ....go ahead with your Honda purchase.
The oil dilution issue only applies to the 1.5L 4 cylinder, not the 3.5L V6 in the Pilot. I have the same V6 in my 2017 MDX and it's given no issues in the past 66k miles.
Last month, I replaced an aging Acura (best car for me to date), with a Honda Passport. If I had not had the 3.5L V-6, but had to take a turbo driven engine (i.e., a CR-V), I would have left the Honda brand for the first time in 30 years. Honda' solutions to its oil dilution problems are all created in the public relations department, not in engineering.
I have a 2018 Honda Accord Sport with 1.5T, bought new a year and a half ago now has 22,000 miles and the car has been absolutely flawless. Great quality vehicle all over.
I've always been a Honda fan, until recently. Right now, I don't trust the Honda products for a number of reasons. Oil dilution and those CVT transmissions to name two.
Same here. Owned Hondas for nearly 30 years, all great solid reliable cars with nothing more than wear and tear repairs. My 2012 Fit Sport is still solid but it's also an old school NA engine with port injection. We're looking for a family vehicle for the wife and was considering the Odyssey, but with it's history of transmission problems and now with their cylinder shut off and auto engine off at stop light functions, people reporting serious cylinder damage and oil burning, looks like I'm going to a Toyota Sienna which avoids all those supposed fuel saving bell and whistles, but just ends up damaging an engine long term. Sorry Honda, was fun while it lasted!
@@msmoniz I was recently looking to buy a 2020 Odyssey EX-L. There were some transmission problems with the 9 speed automatics in previous years, but the 2020 has a 10 speed and from all indications, it is a perfectly smooth transmission without any perception of downshifting. As far as the engine cutoff at stop, there is a defeat switch for that. I would keep it defeated. The only reason I didn't buy it at this time, is the fact that I want to have a pretty good down payment. Paying $38,000 without anything down is just too much for me. I really like Honda, although I refuse to buy any car with a CVT transmission. The odyssey is one of the few that doesn't have this. I hope this helped.
Stephen Sams I’m well aware of everything you stated there. The VCM is not defeatable aside from aftermarket means and the stop start switch has to be enacted every time the car is started. It defaults back to regular mode after the car is shut off.
@@stephensams709 Unfortunately, the Honda developed 10-speed is notorious for NOT being smooth, especially in low gears. I saw this in a test drive of an RDX. Shifts 1-3 from a stop are very lumpy. This has been mentioned in many reviews of this gearbox. It may be bulletproof reliable, but it's not smooth. To be fair, many of the 8 speed DCT boxes from German brands have low speed issue too. It's more important to have high gear counts over smooth action.
Of course, the true answer is YES, contra video. The dilution is not limited to cold weather or northern states, although the problem is greater in those circumstances. The changes mentioned do little or nothing to change the fact of excess gas accumulation in the oil. I've owned Honda or Acura for more than 40 years, and I just bought a new Passport. Honda's response to this problem is all in the marketing department, not in engineering. Honda puts a similar engine design in the Acura RDX, and it doesn't have the oil blow-by problem in the 1.5 liter put in the CR-V, so the problem is in the engine design. It would cost Honda a fortune to change the 1.5 liter over this, and doing so would also raise buyer demands for engine replacement in the previously sold cars. In the end, this is a decision made on the same basis as that used by Ford over the Pinto: it's probably cheaper to handle the cost of defending claims made later over bad design than to change the design now. The difference is that in the CR-V/Civic, engines will die. In the Ford Pinto, people died.
So it's "Fixed" according to Honda but if you live in cold climates it's better to do more frequent oil changes... So it is really fixed... 🤔 But that was a good, unbiased video thank you.
@@captoblivious1 Unless I can be convinced it will likely be dependable. I read something recently about the Mazda CX9 which has a 2.5 liter turbo GDI engine that mentioned a novel way in which Mazda engineered it to prevent carbon build-up on the intake valves (by designing it to keep the valves at a temperature that prevents carbon build-up) And a 2.5 isn't all that small anyway and I'm thinking if you drive conservatively (which I do) it should be just fine. I just have to find that information again. I think it was a review of the CX9 on the Savage Geese channel.
Steven Sevek, the turbocharger is not the issue or the cause of this problem. The high pressure direct injection is the issue and the fact that the engine doesn’t seem to get to operating temperature too quickly. Honda uses a very high pressure unit that can force the gasoline by the piston rings while the engine is cold.
@@patrickmcmullen7910 We had a 2016 Mazda 6 with a GDI 2.5 liter engine and it had 69,000 miles on it when we traded it. We never had any problems with it. It was not turbocharged. Are you saying that there is more pressure from the GDI in Honda's engine than in Mazda's?
Cant thank you enough!! My 2017CRV is a florida car, driven back to the east coast. So, I checked my oil, after a few months 3,500 miles, cuz the car was running rough. When I pulled the dipstick, the oil level was normal-high.. It smelled like fuel!!😳 I've never never pulled a oil stick on any car, and smelled fuel... So, now I know why!! Taking it too the dealer, for the recall fix!! 🤞💜 Thankyou!!!!!
I had this problem on the 1.5T Accord. At least I had the dipstick that smelled like gas and very overfilled all the time. Sometimes the car would stall or stumble when starting. But I was always able to start it the second time. I was not confident in the car and got rid of it.
Thanks for the well articulated perspective on this issue. The graphics are super helpful, and the overall presentation is very well done. Hopefully Honda will continue to stand behind these vehicles.
@ dan339g That’s the problem. Honda DOES NOT stand behind these vehicles. They say nothing is wrong. Smelling gas fumes and a dip stick that smells like pure gas is totally “normal.”
This is not considered fixed until Honda USA issues a written statement as to: 1. What is the maximum allowed oil/gas ratio that is allowed for safe operation. 2. What is the maximum oil level that is allowed for safe operation. 3. The turbo CRV has poor heat in very cold climates. What is the minimum temperature an owner can expect from heater when it's -10F outside. So far Honda has refused to issue this info.
Keep in mind that driving very short distances on a regular bases with any gasoline powered vehicle is considered a harsh driving environment. That then calls for more frequent oil changes. Aside from fuel getting into the oil and never being burned off (so to speak) there's also the problem of condensation accumulating (water) in the crankcase also raising what you see on the dipstick.
So I buy a new car and now I have to worry what kind of trips I’m gonna be making. This is major and huge dealbreaker for me. Based on customers review this issue is not resolved for 2019 and 2020
@@hiteshjani8290 My 08 Toyota tundra has had this problem and guess what, it has 300K miles on it. Just change your oil every 3K miles. That's what I have been doing.
Just serviced a couple of 2020 CRV’s on its very first oil change at 4K miles. Was aware of this issue so I always investigate. Dipstick wreaked of gasoline and was passed the full mark.
Is this only the Turbo model? Because the Honda Fit uses the same L15B1 without the turbocharger.. I'm looking for a car that wont give me headaches (literally and figuratively), confirmation on this would be nice.
@@The_Noticer. Wrote this comment a year ago. A lot of 1.5T’s have been showing up high mileage at my shop with no issues even with the fuel issue - I wouldn’t hesitate. If people can put turbos on stock Honda engines pushing 300/400hp no problem, I would trust the company itself to make its own turbo engine.
@@lunchonthehood5675 Alright. I guess putting in GF6A into it, running good fuels and once in a while jetting the intake with PEA will make it last a good while then?
This Honda APOLIGIST (Video poster) says it only was issue up to 2018 models ....so he's wrong.....I read it was beyond 2018 in different article as well..
t's amazing to see how many 2017 and 2018 used CRV's with the 1.5 Turbo engine that are on used car lots. People are trading them in in record numbers. (This comment revised due to a spelling error)
My 2017 CRV LX with the 2.4L Earth Dreams engine has had four oil analysis reports. All had oil dilution from 2.0 to 3.5%. At under 25,000 miles it still sounds and operates normally though. So Don't think ANY car from Honda with direct cylinder fuel injection is immune to this problem. When either the 2.4L or 1.5L or the new 2.0L start getting to be over 100,000 miles, let's see what the reliability is.
I got rid of my 2018 Civic because of this issue. I measured the amount of liquid that came out of the crankcase on my final oil change and the amount of fuel in the pan accounted for just under 10% of the liquid. That's nearly 5 times higher than what's considered normal. Blackstone Labs indicates that 2% or less is within the normal range. In retrospect I wish had purchased the 2.0, but that's a moot point now.
Glad you were able to get rid of that junk. Atleast there are some ignorants who thinks this is Software issue, or not even understand/know the issue. Honda has been sleezy off late with their fixes.
Honda only claimed oil dilution to cold weather 🤷🏾♂️. If you do alot of short trips with no planned highway stretches after those shorts short trips, skip this engine. What Honda doesn’t understand(and even tried to blame consumers) is that short trips aren’t a bad thing. Not everyone lives far from work or school, or the store. But own a vehicle for various reasons. That is just a given, should drivers who do short drives go out there way just to burn off or have oil evaporate on longer road trips?.....well yeah. But that is pretty stupid to just adjust your driving style. “O hey Bob where you going Saturday ?” “O on the highway, i need to burn off some fuel in my oil cause i did a lot of short trips this week” Like WHAT!? Other manufacturers who have GDI Turbo engines don’t have this on a short trip basis. My driving ranges from short trips for a couple days to long trips back and forth. Obviously this engine isn’t for me, but i do know folks who still own this 1.5T and do short trips and are still complaining about a smell of fuel in the oil. If a manufacturer is struggling to meet “MOST”(not all now) just most consumers driving styles then why bother selling it. Is the oil dilution fixed no, but yes. Depends on the driver
I'm coming off lease in a few months and had planned on just leasing another crv but OD issue has scared me off . I joined a message board for hyundai kona because it interests me as an option but theres some members there indicating oil dilution on the kona 1.6 turbo . They make a 2 L non turbo engine option as well so at least you can go that way instead .
Great job Drew and Mason on explaining the oil dilution complaints and what Honda has done to fix the issue! I know every auto manufacturer looks for ways to make a more cost efficient product with great fuel mileage while still meeting all the emissions regulations. So seems oil dilution issue was a hiccup they experienced trying to improve a power train that I felt was not broken and more reliable (their naturally aspirated engines with non-CVT transmissions.) I still have a 2012 naturally aspirated 2.4L Honda Accord Coupe EX with automatic transmission. She has given me zero issues. I just keep up with regular maintenance and she still purrs like a VTech kitten. That is the Honda quality and reliability that will always hold a special place in my ❤️. Next baby will have electric motor, instant torque, zero emissions (model 3) and we shall see if she will have same reliability that I have come to expect for a daily driver.
I’m a retired mechanic with a 2017 CRV. I change my own oil. The onetime I let a technician, other than myself, change it was part of the campaign to reprogram the ECM and replace AC controller. When I got home I checked workmanship and oil to get a baseline. I called corporate Honda in California to inform them the technician overfilled crankcase. I, on the other hand, take the time to slowly add oil to achieve correct line on the dipstick when I change it every 6,000 miles with Mobil one. I haven’t experienced any excessive dilution.
Bottom line, change your own oil and filter and change oil plug washer every time! Fill according to car manual and verify by checking dip stick! Only use oil velocity recommended by manufacture!
@@patrickkerner1471 I have a 2019. Dealer overfilled. Turns out they have an automated oil refiller that has increments of .5 quarts. CRV 1.5 takes 3.7 qts including filter. So they just set the auto filler to 4 qts. I bet there are a lot CRVs with .3 qts overfilled.
Well, you're lucky. MY 2017 dumps gas in the crankcase like a pissing horse. I change my oil every 5K and use Mobil one too, but there's no way this is good for the engine.
I had a 2018 CRV Touring 2WD. Loved it. It now belongs to another family member. I now have the 2020 CRV Touring 2WD, and love it even more. Never had a issue with oil dilution on the 2018, and none on the 2020. I test drove, in 2018, all of the competition, and found the comfort level, passenger roominess, and the storage capacity of the Honda, to be more of what I wanted. Experienced the same when I was shopping for the 2020. Honda fit me the best. For how I drive, as I am 65, and retired, I love the engine and the transmission. It drives really nicely, in the city, and the highway. I use the Econ mode most of the time, and I get a combined 31 mpg. I also choose, not to use the engine turn off / on feature, and I always need to turn it off ( the simple press of the button ) before I start to drive. I do wish it was able to be left off, permanently, but as it is a gas saving feature, I understand why it becomes automatically engaged. I recommend the vehicle highly ( I am a Honda fan ). Anyway, you two youngsters are doing a very nice job. Keep it up. Dan
Total BS, VW , Mercedes, Porsche had Turbo engine for years and never heard about this problem. Honda, this is an engine design and/or manufactured flaw.
Good stuff. Just bought a 2019 Civic 1.5L Turbo. Glad to hear Honda fixed the oil dilution problem in the 2019 model. This had me concerned initially. Thanks for the video dude.
@@djpayton9128 I have a 2019 CR-V with 72K on the clock. There is a perceptible smell of gasoline on the dipstick and also in the oil when I change it. I change the oil at 5000 mile intervals, using a GF-6A oil with API SP rating. I do it myself because I want to be certain that the 'Best Oil' is in the crankcase. Honda says that "Normal fuel dilution" is less than 2% in this engine and considers the previous problem solved. A mixture of oil with 2% gasoline would definitely have a gasoline odor. I've yet to change the oil in this vehicle and not notice the smell of gasoline, winter or summer, the odor is always present.
I lost my faith on Honda , my niece has a passport with 55.000 and the engine blew up and Honda refuses to repair it . Because she cant provide receipts of the oil changes . Her husband is mechanic for Firestone and does all his oil changes .Honda sucks and doesn't back their products I will never buy another of their products after seeing what this young couple have gone through with this company.
So if the oil levels “rises” above maximum levels due to fuel in oil, I’m sure that the oil seals would be under major stress and could rupture and blow should pressures rise under high RPM’s.
The real issue is that when there is so much gasoline running into the crankcase to cause the oil level to rise, it dilutes the oil to such a degree that the oil is no longer thick enough to adequately lubricate bearings and other other components inside the engine. A couple quarts of gasoline in the crankcase will cause significant damage to the engine. Also, that much fuel running past the pistons washes the oil film off the cylinder bores, causing excessive wear to the bores, piston rings, and piston skirts. These Earth Dreams engines are going to live significantly shorter lives and will almost certainly have oil consumption issues very early in their lives.
@@karlschauff7989 These earth dreams are an earth nightmare lol. I hope all used buyers avoid them at all costs. Not only is the oil diluted and thus effective, but it's also gas in there which is a solvent. It's a double whammy. The fact Honda got away with it (failed lawsuit) and claims it's fixed after a software update is sickening.
This is NOt a fix . Basically what honda did was redefine the term oil dilution and increase the warranty . increasing the warranty is a red flag for me as it indicates that honda is admitting that the engine is faulty . I was goi t to buy a new crv in two days but after reading numerous articles about this problem the deal is off.
Toyota Rav4 has a Solid Non Turbo engine. Never buy a turbo engine. To much pressure & i can tell you exactly when the oil dilution happens on a turbo. When engine is cold & you punch it to get on the highway. If one is a led foot Forget about it.
That is a lie and he was no doubt speaking only for Honda. Probably some one in his family is an employee of Honda! Tell him to come to North Carolina and I will show him the problems still still very serious.@@JamesMcCarty
@@JamesMcCarty It’s obviously a bandaid fix he was explaining. Sounds like the problem is still there. Such a shame because it’s a great car otherwise.
Had many Honda vehicles over the years. The 2018 CRV was our last Honda. Did all the required fixes for the dilution issue. Gas fumes inside the vehicle did still persist. Oil levels were still high above average for the CRV. The 1.5 litre turbocharged engine seemed to work fine but I never had a vehicle that I smelled gas inside more than not. Only put 30k on it before we traded it. Sorry, Honda.
Own a 2019 CR-V. Oil dilution IS STILL A PROBLEM! 3.8 quarts go in. After about 1000 miles, 5.1 quarts come out. Very strong smell of gasoline. Oil is dirty, and viscosity is greatly diminished.
I did call American Honda and was given an incident number. They told me to take the vehicle to a dealership so they could check it out. The dealer I am working with has had more than one CR-V with this issue. They have been in contact with American Honda and a rep was to be sent out to the dealership, until the lockdowns over COVID19 started. Hoping the email exchanges between me, American Honda, and the dealership will bring about some resolution
@@shando3333 no. Full disclosure... the problem became worse. The CR-V was adding a quart of gasoline to the oil in only 800 miles... regular dipstick checks kept me informed of the fluid level in the oil pan. The dealer we were working with was very helpful and we decided to work with them to replace it. We purchased a 2020 Passport with a V6 engine. We love it.
Lunisce, the turbo is NOT the problem on the 1.5 engine. It’s the very high pressure fuel delivery that is blasting the gasoline past the piston rings while the engine is cold. The turbo is basically non functioning below 140 degrees water temperature.
@@patrickmcmullen7910 but to be fair here you don't need to turbocharge engines for regular vehicles anyway. That's where half of all modern car problems come from. Take something not capable of doing the job then force feeding it to make it do the job is going to kill anything faster. Small displacement turbo engines is a trend that needs to die
smokesgtp I would think that Toyota has the best CVTs (Owning Aisin and all...). I’ve heard some not so great things with the Honda CVTs but I like how they drive ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I don't mind CVT's but when they add simulated (fake) shift it becomes a deal breaker for me as it serves no purpose whatsoever except maybe to fool some drivers into thinking it's a normal transmission. Most manufacturers with CVT's seem to all do this so Honda isn't going solo.
@@kenhoward3512 they operate in the smoothest fashion and they don't constantly remind you they are a CVT. Those are the most important factors for people who don't care for CVT's. Go drive one, then go drive a Subaru, a Nissan and on down the list. You'll see.
I know nothing about cars but after spending two days reading and watching reviews, complaints including the beginning trickle of 2020 complaints, the class action lawsuit against Honda, reading what dealerships are telling customers, including what they've told influential TH-cam channels including, but not limited to this one, I honestly feel like I've learned that NOTHING has been resolved, people have been lied to, misinformation is still being spread (unintentionally I'm sure) and that I've never felt more unsure about buying a car, period. Which makes my mind up for me. I'll look elsewhere. Sorry Honda. (I ordered a 2020 used CRV at Carmax and test drove it and loved it... Only to discover this issue after the fact, so I won't make the purchase)
Ok so I have a 2018 CRV with oil dilution. I had all the updates done and still have no difference on how high my oil is reading on the dipstick. Way over the full mark. If this fix is what has already been done in the newest models how has the problem been resolved??? Sorry I forgot it’s normal to have gas in your oil!!
Same thing here. Dealer (after consultation with Honda) decided to change oil for free, updated software - but I have still the same problem. After 3000 miles the oil level is > 0.5" above original level. Is it at abnormal level - they will not define it. To me the video here is addressing oil dilution same way as the dealer does. Using word EXCESSIVE oil dilution without define it is useless to all honda owner. After all there the oil dipstick is there for visual indication of oil level.
Absolutely it is still a serious problem . My wife and I purchased a new 2019 Honda CR-V in July of 2019 and at 7,000 mi the dip stick showed over full and it had a STRONG smell of gasoline .The dealer only gave me the run-a- round without offering any solutions to fix the problem . Because of our age we don't know what is left for us to do .This was our first new car in over 20 years .We are both worrying about how can we afford to fix it if there is a serious problem after the warranty expires....
@@w.a.holland2239 I have no real knowledge of these things but possibly an oil change every 2 or 3 months will help extend the life of the engine. You are effectively replacing the contaminated oil with new un contaminated oil. A bit of a pain getting an oil change every few months but it’s a possible option.
@@w.a.holland2239 The warranty has been extended for a long time and if it were me, I’d change the oil every 3000 miles and not like 5000 as some say. If you live in a colder climate it’s more an issue but not the end all.
But remember... It isn't just the Turbo engines that have oil dilution. I had a 2016 Honda CRV TOURING, bought new. It had oil dilution bad, 1.5 quarts high, from the get go. 2.4 liter Earthdreams engine. Sold it for this reason. Honda should do a recall on ALL OF THESE. Other manufacturers do recalls, Honda makes excuses, like: COLD WEATHER DRIVING, SHORT TRIPS. Come on now, I've driven 20+ cars in my life in cold weather with short trips and NONE of them had this problem! Also, people who drive only highway, long trips and live in Texas and Florida are having this issue too. A car is only as good as how they honor their warranties. Never again, Honda!
When you live in Canada the small engine it takes about a good 10 minutes drive before it warms up and if you live in a small city and you’re doing short trips that mean this car it’s not good for Canadian market
CANADA is HIGH COST to purchase a vehicle, If it were me i would go with the rav 4. For me one GOOD THING ABOUT HONDA is anything above the crv lx comes with a REMOTE START. For the rav 4 you gotta go ENTUNE APP or be prepared to PAY $500.00 or more.
I’m in Canada and I’ve driven 2010, 2016 & 2020 CRV’s. They all warm up within 5 minutes, the 2020 has the 1.5 turbo and took 3 minutes in -17 Celsius weather and even less when it is warmer. It’s better to drive cold, don’t use Remote start, don’t use heat or entertainment until you see the temperature gauge go up to about 1/4 or 1/3. If it’s-30 it could take longer of course but that’s to be expected. 2010 & 2016 are K engines, the 1.5 Litre turbo engine is the L15B7 engine. Best car I’ve ever driven by far and that includes my Hyundai Santa Fe XL with a Lambda II GDi engine (G6DH version). Honda warms up quicker and more powerful due to the turbo
Ya well my 2019 crv never warms up, it could be -20 and I can start it up in the driveway and let it run for ever, the guage wont come up. I have to drive the damn thing for 15 min just for it to come up 1 notch. The thing is brutal for warming up, fricken defrost doesn't do shit until you drive it for 5 minutes guessing where to go cause you cant see nothing through the windshield. So go ahead and buy one folks, you'll love it!
Its too bad because other than engine its a great SUV. Who wants to take the chance on a 30K+ purchase that it will be worthless in resale or trade in 5-10 years, maybe not, but maybe. The engine should be junked IMO. We in the northern climates shouldn't have to pay games with the weather.
Lmaooo so basically don't live in cold climates 🙄 if you have to change the oil more frequently than normal to avoid a big problem then how the hell can anyone recommend a damn CR-V to anyone 😂😂 honda better start giving out free oil changes.
@@stevensevek6151 what blows my mind is websites keep saying cr-v is reliable but when I go on car complaints. Com they label some model year cr-v's as clunkers so I don't know who the hell to believe these days 😂😂😂😂.
The oil dilution problem has been addressed for new 2019 models and later, and can be addressed for 2015-2018 models at the dealership. The complaints for oil dilution in 2019-2020 models are extremely low. www.carcomplaints.com/Honda/CR-V/
Haha, 6 year extended warranty is a joke from Honda. That's only 120,000 miles for most people. Most of us bought a Honda because of their (old) reputation of lasting for 200,000 miles or longer. If engine goes out at 121,000 miles from oil dilution, the owner is going to have to buy a new engine out of their own pocket.
Chuck entleutner pretty unlikely. I’ve seen civic 1.5 turbos with over 150k already, infrequent servicing, and no real problems. Hondas that last over 200k are usually looked after. People who buy them on reputation and then don’t do maintenance are often disappointed.
I also have a 2019. Living in Canada driving about 5 kilos to work and I am seeing some increase in the iil level but not sure if that is considerd abnormal oil dilution. Some questions for my edufication. Are you living in a climate where it goes to below 10F. Do you drive short distances? Has the dealer confirmed that you have a problem or what criteria do you use to say that your oil dilution is abnormal?
Beer Stein I live in south Texas and have a 2019 CRV that has a very strong smell of gas coming from under the hood and the dip stick smells like pure gas. I’ve taken it to the dealership twice and of course they’ve told me nothing is wrong. I know this is not “ normal “ even though they say a small amount of gas does get into the oil with these particular engines.They ( Honda) don’t specify what a “small amount “ is. If your oil level is increasing it is from gasoline; and that’s not a “ small amount “. There is a place called Blackstone Laboratories that will analyze your oil for contaminants. I hope this helps you somewhat. We’re all in the same situation. Good luck to you.
Shirley Shawhan If you have the 2.4L engine you won’t have the dilution problem. It’s only in the 1.5L turbo. If you have the turbo and you’ve had no problem all I can say is that your very fortunate.
@@shocksemler8145 I have a 2019 CRV with 1.5T with 12K miles. I have zero oil dilution but I live in California and all my trips are over 20 minutes. I must be lucky too as I can't believe people would make this stuff up.
I have a 2018 CR-V. In cold weather the engine fix did not make any difference in the engine warming up faster as stated. In MN and I am sure anywhere else it gets cold this engine loses engine temp for me below about 10 degrees unless driving at highway speed. Cold enough you can't keep the windshield clear. Dealer service manager says his Accord blows cold air out of the vents while waiting at a light after exiting the freeway. My engine temp gauge drops to below the C in about 4 minutes at idle. Honda official position is that this vehicle operating as designed. This is unsafe.
Well, not only those problems but smell gas inside is not acceptable! My kids can smell it and asked what smell is it? Then they got dizziness, It’s a big safety issue!
Probably to late .I brought back my 2020 crv major problems stalling dilution almost 1 quart over each oil change they took the car back when my lawyer was present after they told me it was fixed it wasn't DONT BUY IT STAY AWAY
Ok it just me or is there bad weather in basically every car video you guys do. Feel bad for you dudes, it’s always raining or snowing in your videos LOL! But props to you guys because you work hard at this.
It does impact them very much!! My mom has a 2018 that she bought brand new and she lives in washing where it’s gets in the mid 20’s and low teens. Every time she goes to the work of the store she freezes to death because the engine doesn’t warm up in turn neither does the heater!! This is a very real issue they people are facing and dealership claims it’s normal to freeze to death in your brand new car in the winter??
I, too, have noticed that our 2018 takes a long time to warm up ( easily 10 minutes+ ) especially in slow traffic unless there are highway/uphill driving, and even then, the coolant temperature drops again the moment I turn up the heat on a cold day (< -5C especially). At the end of the day, it is only a 1.5 litre engine unless the turbo is activated. We used to have a 3 litre V6 vehicle in the early 90's and the heat was very quick.. Fortunately, ours CRV does have heated steering wheel and seats, which get warm within a minute. I would make good use of if possible.
Just picked up a used 2021 . . . will let you know if this is still an issue! Ironic, that in their attempts to improve fuel economy Honda has introduced all this trouble with the turbo. I had a Yamaha 650 Seca Turbo back in the day (late 80s) and had this dilution problem. That, of course, was not injected. Thanks for the review, very well done. One small point, it's "Exacerbated" not "Exasperated" . . . 🙂
Excellent video. From what I've been reading OD is no longer an issue after the fixes and most of the complaints are older posts. There are civics out there with 200k miles on them and no problems. The misinformation from people who don't even own the car is ridiculous
I had 2 Civics in the past with over 200k BUT they didn't have a turbo engine. Turbo's are a deal breaker for me and they were even before the oil dilution problem surfaced. I did purchase a new 2019 Insight with a 1.5L Atkinson engine which works with the electric motor..... great car with incredible gas mileage.
Perhaps if starting the car when the outside temperatures are cold enough to contribute to the dilution issue then just allowing the engine to warm up at idle before driving it hard would be an adequate precaution. Giving the engine a extra minute to warm up at idle is probably not a bad idea for any automobile.
yea, that MAKES SENSE. I have a 2020 crv ex which comes WITH FACTORY REMOTE. I normally REMOTE START my car for 10-20 minutes before driving, ihaven't had any hiccups with mine.
Dude I just got a 2020v1.5 Turbo Honda Accord with 4000 miles and my my oil level is like a this is like above the high mark it's already to the point where it's hitting the metal rod And the oil smells like straight-up-and-down gasoline And I've only driven the car for a 1000 miles And I live in Miami and it's summer time So you tell me what they have fixed
No you make the problems worse by "letting it warm up". In doing-so you're forcing the engine to take longer to heat up and thus exacerbating the oil dilution. I hypothesize this is exactly why the northern states had this issue even more because this is common practice there; before you drive you let it warm up. I would suggest, in all cars, to start the car and let it run for a minute and return to normal idle RPM. Then drive the car lightly, don't rev high, until the engine is fully warmed. And specifically for this Honda, I would suggest getting rid of it posthaste and avoid buying it used.
2017 CRV owner here. I check frequently and just like the vast majority of owners, I don't have Engine OD or CVT issues. I don't live in a particularly hot region or take long drives either. I remember a time when folks said Honda's small displacement high RPM/output trick valves-train engines or complicated torque vectoring wouldn't last, and yet I'm still daily driving my 1997 Prelude SH with all factory original parts (except consumables) and no major repairs needed. The comments section in any CRV video is full of beliefs and conjecture with few verifiable facts from actual owners.
I was an actual owner, had an 18 EX and it was a great car except for the 8 to 12 ounces of gasoline in the oil every 2000 miles or so, winter or summer it didn't matter. It's real believe me. I so wish it wasnt.
@@MontanaWelldigger And that really sucks for you. I'm sorry to hear that, but the question is, what is the actual percentage of those with problems vs those without across the thousands sold? I work in social media analytics and a few angry influences usually skew the overall public perception. People are more apt to bother to go online and leave a bad review than a good one. My understanding is this OD issue is exasperated by frequent short drives in colder weather.
It really was a shock for us to discover this problem as we live in a rural area 30 miles from town we just don't make short trips. We have owned 6 new Hondas since 2008 we were dyed in the wool Honda people until this incident with the oil dilution, the deal breaker for us was was the treatment and denial from Honda. People just don't check their oil on a newer car and the dealer wont mention it. I've been in contact with people that say "we don't have a problem with ours." and they haven't even checked, then they do and it's like "Oh my God!!"
@@MontanaWelldigger The fact that I live in an urban core, commute maybe 10-12 mi daily, and have a 2017 model, then yeah, yours is unfortunately defective. It's understandable that you'd be vocal about Honda's treatment, but my point is you're probably in the minority. I'd be interested in the new hybrid CRV, but would wait a yr or two to see how it shakes out.
@@Phrancis5 It should not meter for frequent short drive in colder weather to be blamed. Bottom line- there is a problem. You should not have these kind of problems- period!. People purchased these cars to drive in all weather conditions. Otherwise Honda should specify " FOR DRIVING ABOVE FREEZING TEMP ONLY"
There is talk that a new 0w-16 engine oil is coming out soon that is more gasoline resistant. The local dealer has a lifetime warranty, if you always go there for service. In the past, some dealers offering this went out of business, so it was the lifetime of the company and not how long you owned the vehicle. I am waiting for the April issue of Consumer Reports magazine at the library, that has reliability ratings for the last 8 years.
@@spoton3278 I agree, it is difficult to find people who will truly honor any warranty. They usually find some bullshit excuse to screw you and save their money and time. We bought a CX-5 instead of a CR-V. Mazda reliability has been improving the last few years, since they parted ways with Ford. The year old Consumer Reports top ten list for reliability has the CX-5. Their newest top ten list for reliability has the MX-5 Miata, CX-3 and CX-9. They do not take any advertising money from car brands, so hopefully they are more honest than JD Power.
Thanks for the great explanation! I recently purchased a 2017 CR-V but I live in Florida and in a more rural area(so rarely any quick trips) and glad to hear the power train warranty was extended. You guys make great videos, keep it up!😃
I had 2020 CRV and it was still reading on metal part of my oil dip stick above max marks. Could you please define what is normal vs excessive oil dilution? I also had dealer look at it, all they did is changed my oil and when I asked them what is normal dilution they said that there is no open re-calls for 2020 that is because its still new. There is a reason why China rejected proposed Honda fix and force them to re-call them due to reliability/safety concerns in their country and also to protect consumers. I ended up taking a loss and trading it for other non-Honda vehicle.
@@SCraig-Handsome FYI In any GDI engine there will be some oil dilution part of engine life cycle. What people on the internet speak of, is an excessive oil dilution. If you have zero oil dilution you must not be driving your car, in that case congratulations.
Lone Wolf are they warming up their car for 10-20 minutes? If so they are running it at 800 RPMs in mild weather, you need to get the engine to 2,500 RPM. I had a fuel injection problem in 1996, I was told to get it to 2,500 RPM as soon as I could for the engine to burn off the gasoline. Fuel injection has been used since 1894, this is nothing new. Eventually I had to get the ECU replaced which improved the situation but due to a design flaw engines back then could get flooded with gas if you idle them, even in cold weather. It’s uncomfortable sure but all you have to do is leave the heater off until the engine temperature gauge get to about 1/3, then turn it on. The critical temperature is about 550 Fahrenheit, get it to that then you can turn on your heaters and entertainment system. I only drive 8km to work (5 miles) but it usually gets to that before I park, then I’ll do some driving on the weekend to make sure I don’t have any issues. Not a big deal and it’s worked with Chrysler, Toyota and Honda PFI, GDI any type of fuel injection
@@SCraig-Handsome I drove my 2020 CRV for 25miles to work and 25 miles back it has had plenty of time to get up to operation temps. I still had an issue with oil reading on my metal part of the dip stick even after dealer looked at it and did oil change on it. It was Mon-Fri I just get in to my Car and go.On top of that thin low friction piston rings which do not help in this case. People and Engineers in China understood this issue. That is why government stepped in and forced Honda to re-call them instead to playing around with ECU flash/reprogramming, That way consumer was protected. Here in US I can't say the same. I ended up trading that Lemon in and that is end of story for me. As for others I can only be certain in my case. But feel free to ask people in comments/other forums etc.
I will help you guys out in cold climate - I live in Alberta, Canada. I have been keeping an eye on my engine specifically for any abnormal oil dilution. I drive about 45 mins to and from work daily so I do very minimal short hops. I did an oil change before fall and I just did one after we had a massive cold spell (-40C for over a week) a few weeks ago in early Feb. This is something we will have to get used to IF we demand smaller fuel efficient engines that give us unreal gas mileage WHILE giving us power AND we don't want to go with Toyota. I have an '19 Si, I knew this going in so I am diligent with my oil changes etc. My other choices was getting a WRX or STi but then deal with head gaskets, and horrible fuel consumption. I could have gone with Toyota which does both GDI and Port Injection but have nothing really nice for a sportier car. Pick your battles basically.
They only fix the upper end of the engine when the engine fails from oil dilution and believe me they will. Do more oil changes at our expense and then when ready to sell or trade take another hammering because everyone is afraid of them. These were always a 10 plus year vehicle and 2 to 300 thousand mile vehicle but not anymore. Shame to see a so great a company in the past cheapen their product and start faltering out of sight.
@@electron7659 As Scottie says that in the Honda you have to change the oil at no more than 5000 miles and not push the turbo because of the extra strain it puts on the small motor. He also said direct injection will cause some oil dilution no matter what brand you buy and that is why you shouldn't run it as long as the car manufacture says. This will help them last but he feels with the way they have cheapened the vehicles with plastics and CVTs they will not last as long as older Hondas. I really don't know what one would buy and expect 300 anymore. For me I'm retired and wouldn't put that on in the rest of my life.
@@electron7659 It appears like most of them are going that way now. I heard Scottie mention something about Toyota using a system that is a little different in that it injects and still cleans the valves. Myself I am still prejudice to both Honda and Toyota.
@@brianpooley6635 Well that sucks. I was even considering a Mazda because at least they don't use a CVT. But not sure if they use GDI or port injection.
What you have explained is a bandaid fix. Sounds like the actual problem remains. The extended power train warranty is not much comfort because when you try to sell it just before the warranty expires buyers won’t want to pay much for the vehicle. Such a shame because it otherwise looks like a great vehicle.
Wish I could trust Honda to believe this is true. Need someone who drives a 2020 to document their experience. I would drive mostly short trips in Tennessee and don’t want to have to have oil changed every 2500 miles.
@ Kathy Smith I would not buy any Honda CRV until they put a different engine in it. I have a 2019 and have the oil dilution problem. It cannot be “fixed” by doing a software update. That is ridiculous. I’ve had 2 Odyssey’s and loved them but wanted something smaller so I bought the CRV. I wish I had known about the dilution problem. I never would have made that purchase. It’s very upsetting. I hope this helps you.
Kathy Smith You’re very welcome. When I was researching vehicles nothing had been written about this dilution problem. I think it became known about 6 months after I bought mine. Then there were tons of articles. Anyway if I can help even one person it’s worth it. Good luck to you:)
mlfez I had the 1.5L turbo. The 2.4 L doesn’t have the oil dilution issue but Honda no longer makes it unfortunately. I traded my vehicle in since my last post.
I was a Honda fan until this. I had a 2017 CRV. I traded it for a 2020 Mazda CX-5. Now, no more apprehension about the engine, and 6 gears definitely kicks ass on that cvt. Mazda ticked all the boxes. I'm willing to give up an mpg or two for the horsepower of the CX5 and it's more luxurious interior.
I have a 2021 CR-V and changed the oil at 2400 miles and smelled like raw gas (it's very first oil change). It was QUITE a strong gas smell. I would say if you buy a 2021 CR-V change the oil every 2500 miles. No joke.
"You might want to take it out on the highway more often instead of shorter trips to let the engine warm up". Sure Buddy. Do you work for Honda or something? You need to go to the store around the corner but you have a 2018 CR-V so you have to go to the store in another city so the engine warms up and vaporizes some of that gas. I have a job 5 minutes away but I guess I'd need to get a job further from home to suit my crappy CR-V's mood swings if I bought one. Great idea.
I've been driving and working on cars for a very long time and oil dilution isn't normal.... period - full stop. And just saying it is, doesn't make it so! And I'm getting really tired of companies fixing mechanical problems by simply re-defining the word "normal". Like a friend that just had his head gaskets replaced on his Subaru... and strangely enough he told me it was "normal" for Subarus to need head gasket replacement... NO! Blowing head gaskets are NOT normal! Oil dilution is NOT normal! It's due to poor design, cheap parts or poor build quality.
If you are going to take your customer's hard earned money engines that run right and transmissions that shift right should be the only thing normal about them for at least the first hundred to two hundred thousand miles...
@RJ THANK YOU!!!! Well said. I need you to go to the dealership with me so you can tell them this!! I’m so tired of hearing that the excessive oil dilution is normal.
@@shocksemler8145 Sadly, I doubt that your dealer can fix the problem, which seems to be inherent in the design... so when they say it's normal, they mean normal for that particular model.. Very likely, all you can do is to sell that headache to some unsuspecting fool and get yourself a car that's designed and built right. It's unfair and unjust, but when you buy a lemon you usually lose. That's the way it's always been. My rule with loser cars is to get out from under them before they eat you. Bad usually becomes worse over time. Best luck.
I AGREE...I CANT ARGUE WITH THAT.
@ RJ Thank you. You are right.
@R J: Speaking of potential lemons, I have a 2014 Nissan Altima, original owner, 35k miles. I baby it. I’m sure you’re aware of the CVT issues in these cars, so I’m wondering your thoughts, as to whether I should keep it or sell it. It runs great, no issues with the transmission or anything else mechanically to date. Maintenance is up to date.
As a owner of a 2018 Honda CRV in a cold climate and having all the updates done including the last which involves an interior warmer, further programing changes, a circulating coolant heater of sorts and some kind of change to coolant flow I do feel that the cabin heat and oil dilution issues are improved. Not fixed but improved. Though ambient temperatures in my part of the world have not been severely cold my oil level runs about 1/8" above full which is no where near the 5/8" it was at the beginning. Now with the use of the interior warmer on cold start I turn the heater fan and the temperature setting on low. The warmer, heated seats and wheel has made the cab bearable and possibly due to the other changes, the engine warms up much quicker especially when it does not have to heat the heater core as well. As soon as the indicator is solidly in the gauge I turn up the temperature and put it on auto. Yes I will pay a bit more on my power bill but it is more comfortable. You refer to short trips being a factor but realize that it has to run for a long period after it reaches temperature to vaporize any gas in the crank case. In my experience 10 mile trips is not enough and long road trips have not lowered the high oil level much. Not happy about having to change the oil more often to extend engine life. Just thought I would share. No more Hondas for me.
i cant blame you ...if thats the case thank god i dont have any issues with my crv...not yet anyway but, i use my remote start to give the engine time to warm up. Any issues crop up like that on mine.....i am TRADING IT PERIOD, I WONT TAKE CHANCES.
That much fuel going into the engine oil is still a serious issue. Diluting the oil with gasoline, which is not a good lubricant, will cause accelerated wear or damage to the bearings, cam journals, and other components inside the engine. That unburned fuel is also washing oil off the cylinder walls, causing accelerated wear of the cylinder bores, piston rings, piston skirts, etc. The engine will begin to burn excessive oil as the wear worsens. The worst part is that if the engine already has an issue with excessive oil dilution, that unburned fuel in the oil will mask an oil consumption problem because the oil level on the dipstick won't appear to be moving. You might even think the oil dilution issue was "fixed" by Honda or just went away on its own. However, if you were to send that oil to a lab that does used oil analysis, it will come back as having an excessively high amount of fuel in the oil --- your engine burned 3 quarts of oil in 5,000 miles, but the engine dumped 3 quarts of unburned fuel into the oil so the level on the dipstick never changed. Your engine would have ran on a 50-50 oil/gasoline mixture.... yikes.
Why can't we just go back to regular fuel injection? just to save 1-2 mpg is ridiculous. You will spend more on repairs then you save on gas.
@Jeff Sol I agree, my '99 Camry is one of those sweet spot vehicles. It was like winning the lottery when I found it with low miles! It's been 7 years now since I bought it and I've just hit 123K miles on it! It's my only vehicle and I drive it everywhere, even though it's now 21 years old!
@Jeff Sol There are engines with both port & direct injection on the market.
Still I want to avoid DI and CVT.
You would need to bring back carburetors and they would fail emissions tests. We eliminated them in the 80’s, also the mechanical ones were replaced by electronic ones. Basically we still use electronic but they are more efficient now. They are also easier to maintain. I had a fuel injection problem with every car except Honda, the carbon buildup is no longer an issue due to VTEC and GDI. It actually has to do with the tumble flow and valve angle. Basically the valve is still down when the gas mist flows through the chamber so there is still some valve cleaning that is being done. At the end of the day though it’s really the driver that determines carbon buildup or really anything related to car longevity
@@SCraig-Handsome Some VW mechanics says that it is possible to slow down carbon buildup but not eliminate it in VAG engines.
Toyota has a D4-S, both port and DI.
I do not think there is any valid excuse for carbon buildup from car manufacturers.
The dilution in Honda is caused by low friction (loos) piston rings. Again, reliability taking a hit for decent numbers on the brochures.
Waldemar Ishibashi had Toyota’s for 20 years, switched to Honda and no repairs since, had 2 Siennas with fuel injection problems around 110,000. Always had to get injection service with them, very reliable overall but not as reliable as Honda. Service is a lot more expensive, same with Hyundai, no repair issues so far but higher maintenance than Honda or Toyota. Honda is just better at building engines and Toyota is higher risk due to innovation. Honda will wait to do more research before putting new stuff into the hands of consumers. VW I have never owned one but really hard to find now due to emissions problems
Nice that you covered a subject most hosts would shy away from. A plus in your rating.
Thank you! It's certainly controversial!
If you had to get a Cr-V, find a 2019 or older model with the 2.4L.
I am genuinely disappointed by Honda because they used to make great cars. Several issues that I have personally encountered:
Around 2010, they switched their paint to shitty water-based paint and all the models from that era were affected. Honda expects people to park their cars in the garage, as a result, only garage-kept Honda's would avoid the paint de-lamination. Not everyone has access to park a car in the garage. Honda knew about the paint issue, and would only offer recalls on popular/expensive models. The dealership also knew about the issue, and they stated that they were not fixing it. (My fiancé has a 2011 Honda Fit in blue, and the paint on the roof started fading in 2015)
Oil dilution is not normal, so stop calling it normal.
totally agree. Stop calling abnormal things normal. Whats going on with USA???
@@davrontosh7657 business
@@davrontosh7657 It's an issue that affects these brands that people just assume are rock-solid reliable based on past vehicles. Companies like Honda and Toyota have been given a pass for so long that they started letting quality decline and brushed serious issues under the rug. My wife and I have owned a few 2010+ Hondas and Toyotas and the experience has been very eye opening. Quality and reliability have really slid. My new Tacoma was a total lemon - transmission problems, engine stalling issues, electrical gremlins, misaligned truck bed, hood fluttering in the wind, rear differential howling so loud I could hear it over the radio, etc. My wife's CRV was similarly plagued with issues including the crankcase flooding with gasoline.
@@karlschauff7989 imagine the other brands, Toyota still the benchmark on reliability all over the world
I suppose I'm lucky to be still driving a 2007 Accord.
Paint seems fine. Aside from the rusty areas.
I know a CR-V owner who told me that the fix was ECU programming to direct the heat to the engine instead of cabin that makes the inside of the car stay cold until engine warms up, and extension of the warranty 1 year, which is ridiculous in my opinion. In fact China told Honda to stop selling cars with this engine until issue is completely resolved, something that will never happen here, because of business interests and lobbying.
The engine is supposed to restrict coolant flow when it's cold so that it can reach operating temperatures faster. It's normal.
yea chinas laws and hondas are different because they have different engines. Yea, china knows how to eat their young but they dont no deffective cars on their roads. chop chop.
@@clarencewhite6053
I'm going to give you an opportunity to rethink your comment.
I think China has got a nerve.. Every machine they build falls to pieces 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣
it is NOT normal. just cuz honda says it does not make it true. no car i’ve ever had has had any ool
dilution. zero.
Saying the engine oil level will rise past the full mark is normal is nuts.....
Ozark Life Not really, I’ve seen it across many brands. I work in a shop
So if the oil levels “rises” above maximum levels due to fuel in oil, I’m sure that the oil seals would be under major stress and could rupture and blow should pressures rise under high RPM’s.
You should listen a little closer as he never stated that. What he said is that oil dilution is normal for any engine and that is a fact. What I'll add is that with a normal engine it is very, very slight to almost negligible. So not even noticeable.
@@TheCompyshop not really, I have a shop and most vehicles are the opposite, I did see this on several CR-V but in cold climate, Honda has a problem here. I know of a guy who had his bought back, at first Honda had him come in every 2 weeks for oil change and when they came up with the first "fix" it would still be an inch above the full mark in 2 weeks, stalled out, lemon buy back. But "normal" sure
whats disturbing to me is the amount of youtubers with the 1.5 crv that have fairly long commutes to work (20 miles each way) or who go on a long road trip that still report high levels above the full line . So that theory kinda goes out the window
I live in Ontario Canada and have a 17 CRV 1.5 litre...The fix corrected the problem and I have no issues....I presently have 62000 kms on the car.
I bought the 2020 Civic with the 2L, since it is not only the engine that does not mix oil and gas, but this K-series VTEC engine is a multi-point (port injected) engine. I do not have to worry about carbon buildup like on the 1.5 turbo. For anyone deciding on a new Civic, I personally think you should still avoid the 1.5 if you are expecting typical honda reliability and go to competitors like the Corolla or Mazda 3, but the 2L is probably one of the most reliable new cars you can buy.
07 civic coupe with the 1.8 liter. 215000 mile going strong. No cracked engine block yet. Put a bmw float switch in the coolant reservoir to an indicator light in dash just to keep a lookout for slow leaks.
That's pretty reasonable
Honda The Power Of Dreams im pretty sure the 2L engine is direct injected as well
@@CJ-ce7xq No, Honda's website says the 2L engine is Multi point.
BEFORE YOU YELL AT US BELOW....
We are impartial towards oil dilution. This video is intended to INFORM and takes into account both what CR-V owners and Honda say about the issue. We're not paid by Honda, but we just wanted to provide some clarity into the situation since it concerns a lot of viewers.
Car Confections You didn't mention the oil itself or more specifically the additive pkg is being redesigned to be less prone to dilution. This new 0w16 oil is being referred to 0w16b. Also the oil dilution problem in the Honda turbo engine is (rumoured) to be caused by slightly smaller pistons and rings being used to reduce internal friction resulting in better fuel mileage. Has this specific issue been addressed by manufacturers? That is a question no one seems to be answering.
I LIKE LOUD SPEAKERS 0w-16 isn’t new that’s been around since the 90s
f181234 the new oil I was referring too is not out til mid year 2020. Its a re formulated additive pkg. I thought I had made that clear in my original post. Sorry for the confusion.
I LIKE LOUD SPEAKERS you should edit your post because that oil 0w16 been out for years
If you read carefully he says 0w16b and NOT 0w16..... it's been redesigned/upgraded
Used to be a fan of Honda. Had a 2006 Honda S2000 and absolutely loved it. Best car I ever owned. These newer Hondas don't seem to be as good quality. I've owned Mazda, Toyota, Hyundai and never had a problem with those manufacturers.
@Official Jonathan - Do you own a newer Honda to corroborate your belief? I actually bought a new 2017 Honda CR-V Touring at the end of 2017 and absolutely love it. I'm also impressed with the high quality. I've never had the "oil dilution" problem since day one. - I'm still a Honda fan: The Honda Civic Type R Destroys The Competition - The Best Engines: th-cam.com/video/BtkGMUY-4hs/w-d-xo.html
Dude Honda still makes good cars.... I now own Civic Type R and it is a beast of a car! They are not affected by the oil dilution problem. The K20C1 is one of the best engines ever made. I used to have an AP1 S2000 and the Civic Type R blows the s2000 out of the water. Handling and acceleration/speed is superior in the FK8 Type R. I recommend you test drive a used one.
@@eddiep812 The Type R engine is a marvel of Engineering, it almost has a vertical torque curve. I have had my Type R on the highway and when safe, I did some short pulls... it is shocking how effortlessly it pulls to 120mph and will keep pulling hard (but I let off becuase I dont want to lose my license). It is like Zeus's Chariot. Something about the way that engine makes power. I also own a WRX STI and the STI engine (ej257) just cannot compare to the Type R engine (K20C1). The STI feels broken in comparison lol. Only reason I keep and drive my STI is the AWD is better for bad weather.
Prior to buying my Type R. I test drove a 550hp(estimated) Supercharged 05 Mustang and a Mustang GT350, neither of those cars impressed me as much as the a Civic Type R did.
I bought Toyota for 20 years, switched to Honda, saved a ton of $$ and never had a repair... my 2011 Sienna engine seized due to a engine belt issue and destroyed the engine.... $4,500
Anubisavi same for me, Toyota is not as reliable as Honda and their service costs keep going up
Well, I own a 2018 CR-V with this 1.5 L engine. It has 44000 km on it and I never had any problem with it, It kept 7L / 100 Km since I bought it .
Very happy with it.
I was watching another video about the oil dilution, and they were saying the ones with problems are the people who are running the engine cold, and driving a mile or two then shutting the engine off on a regular basis. If you are driving and warming up the engine, especially in cold weather, they haven't had any issues.
Problems with engine longevity aren't going to show up after 44,000km.
@@DarrenX9 What I meant is that I never had any problems with gas being in my oil. No scent of gas or high oil level.
@@ham3749 am from Kenya,East Africa and I am planning to buy the 2017 honda crv with the 1.5l vtec turbo engine. I live in a hot area with an average temperature of 40 degrees Celsius and it barely rains.So would I be safe if I buy a 2016 or 2017 honda crv with a 1.5l turbo engine?
When listening to this review I started to grin when I heard, "well, the gasoline gets stuck between the piston and the cylinder wall". Sounds very high tech explanation. My 2.7L Diesel turbo has no oil dilution with 10K miles change intervals. With the high compression of this little 1.5L motor, the direct injection, the turbo engaging and some cold temperatures if you buy the Honda at this time you will be in a world of hurt within 5 years. Some drivers like acceleration and the turbo coming in really does the motor no good. I have instructed my daughter to buy the Rav4 with 2.5L and Toyota's combination of port and direct injection with a lower compression and no turbo business. The daughter has a heavy foot on the gas pedal so the Rav4 with 8 speed automatic vs. the Honda CV transmission was the way to go. The Rav4 will get a little better gas mileage than the Honda and probably last way beyond 200K miles. I suggest trading your 1.5L turbo Honda for a different brand at your earliest opportunity. Just face it: the Honda 1.5L turbo motor is a disaster and there is no way out of it so do the trade. There are a few 2.7L Diesel turbo vehicles around Chicago that have 500K miles and one man has 800K miles on his and he buys tires same place as I.
The trouble with fuel dilution is that it breaks down the lubricating film that separates the metal parts... making it more likely that you'll see scoring up and down the bores.
Even small amounts of fuel in the oil seem to result in scoring of the bores as it's a common problem in many different direct injected vehicles... as they age.
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who the hell going to buy when there is confusion related to oil dilution? who will keep going to change oil frequently when you purchased new CRV? practically nonsense
i will
@@luke4701 enjoy
Friend it still is a serious problem as my 2019 has excessive oil in the crankcase, and now I have a real problem as what to do about it!
@@w.a.holland2239 that’s why I bought the 2.4l engine.
Sadly this takes what used to be a great manufacturer out of consideration. Until a mechanical redesign is put in place, it’s not fixed. All too often manufactures resort to a ‘remap’ as the solution. Excessive fuel making it past piston rings is beyond that. We are in an interesting period where many have been caught out by direct injection. We’re seeing the migration to port and direct which hopefully will take care of the majority of the carbon issues.
I agree. Honda quality has gone down in recent years. I say that as a long time Honda owner. Pretty sure I am switching to Toyota or Lexus next time around.
I wish the Honda (as a whole company) has some balls to say this in public not you guys!
The Honda?
Honda did, they later did admit the 1.5L turbo engine with all these environmental concern is an issue. Hence they extended warranties on all 1.5L turbo owners.......They also acknowledge the fact a lot of the owners are having engine stalling, misfires, and lack of power issues....This is the new generation of problems by sticking a turbocharger while downsizing engine.....The engine of that small just can't handle the amount of engine pressure to compensate for the lack of power.
@@441meatloaf They should bring back the 2.4L Engine that is not tubrocharger for the crv, accord and the civic as well as to fix their weak automatic transmission!
@@raymondali3688 Thats not gonna happen anytime soon with the way how emission controls are getting tighter. But at least subaru is still using bigger engines and putting turbos on it like their new 2.4L or mazdas 2.5L turbos.
@@441meatloaf if emissions controls were tight then why is Toyota still making 2.5L engines as well as v6 and v8 engines
Checked my nephew's 16 civic. As soon as I popped the hood i could smell the gas. It was over half inch overfilled. It was very thin black runny oil. I advised him to changed the oil immediately. He told me the maintenance minder was only at 60%......... I closed the hood and went inside....
The exact fix for these cars has still hasn't been explained. Honda tells there customer to live it nothing more be done. People really don't understand cars and will probably drive it till it conks out on the highway. Let's see how all this plays out over time. I'll stick with port injection non turbo engine vehicles for now.
Maintinance minder is fake. Planned obsolescence.
dont think changing oil more frequently is an acceptable fix
@Anubisavi He said She said
Anubisavi RAV4 has 16,000 km change interval
Beware is all im gona say!! And i love Honda but refuse to buy crap!👍
@Anubisavi
Unless you're using conventional motor oil, which is rare in modern cars, there's no need to change the oil after just 5,000 kms. It's both wasteful resource-wise and financially. Synthetic blend is safe to use under normal conditions for up to 8,000 kms or 6 months. Full synthetic goes up to 12,000-15,000 kms or 1 year.
@@Lucky8s believe that marketing bs if you want. I'd rather spend the extra money on oil rather than a new engine. Auto manufacturers have an incentive for you to wear your engine out in 150k miles so believing them just because they say it means nothing.
I own a 2018 CRV that had the oil dilution problem. The problem was very real. Based on dipstick measurements ie the distance between full and 1 quart low, my car was 2.5 quarts over filled. This was with 40% of oil life left. The engine only holds a little over 3 quarts when full. My oil was almost 50% gasoline! I have photos to prove it. Honda updated the computer in January 2019 and it seemed it
I’m really disappointed, I was planning to buy a new CRV very soon. Not anymore, guess I’ll buy the Toyota RAV4.
Same thing here. I have 2018 CRV _EXL had it at the dealer 3 times for oil dilution,. They said "it is normal" , however they agree to change oil at no cost to me (think about it - sounds suspicion?). They also changed the software, but the problem is still the same. Dealer, neither Honda can't define the abnormal oil level. They can't define excessive oil dilution either. However, they standing behind oil viscosity specification, Dealer refused to provide oil sample for independent oil analysis.
seemed it what?? Fixed it?? I have to know lol
While all GDI engines have some oil dilution, none have experienced these problems that the 1.5 has. And according to what I found online, the 2019 Civics, CRVs, and Accord 1.5s are still having the oil dilution issue. I am pretty sure the fault lies within the piston rings, not the software. Honda says they fixed it, but until they release a recall and a real fix, they havent. OIL DILUTION IS NEVER NORMAL. Many other manufacturers make great GDI engines, but Honda doesnt. (Nothing against you guys)
Exactly. My wifes 2018 CRV Touring with 2200 miles had it happen to her. NOT happy with Honda.
The Accord is impacted too. My 2018 Accord Sport 1.5 6 speed just had the entire fuel management system and cylinder head replaced after multiple check engine lights and stalling issues. Honda didn't say it was oil dilution, but all the symptoms point to that and carbon build up. I'm only at 25k miles! I love my car, but I won't put $6k of repairs in this car when it's out of warranty. Also I drive 80 miles a day of highway round trip each day for work. I rarely do short drives.
That's terrible. Although I despise the 10th gens exterior and engine choices I'd have to say the J series V6 is the most reliable engine Honda ever put on the Accord
How do you only have 25k miles on it while driving 80 miles a day since 2018?
HydraliskX If he bought it mid or late 2018, 25k would be about right.
@@HydraliskX I bought it used, not a new purchase, sorry should have clarified that.
@@HydraliskX He could have purchased his 2018 Accord is say December 2018 and some dealers would have 2018 models until Jan/Feb 2019. So it's possible his elapsed time with the car is 1 year. The math supports him if he works 5 days a week and has weekends off ( 5 days x 80 miles per days = 400 miles a week. 400 miles a week times 52 weeks in a year is 20,800 miles in one year )
I’m NEVER buying another Honda, Toyota, Kia, Ford, Chevy, GMC, Lexus, Nissian, Acura, Infiniti, Mazda, Buick, Hyundai, Jeep, Subaru and on and on. You See That Statement ALL over TH-cam and Forums. Guess I’ll have to build my own
vehicle just to make sure it will NEVER EVER have ANY problems or break down.
All vehicles have issues, but some (Honda, Jeep) have more issues that others (Toyota, Kia)
@@andybub45 LOL what? Kia over Honda?
@@Immortalkalashnikov hahahaha I was thinking the same thing. Neveeeerrrr.
I own a 19 civic hatch and I remember hearing about the problem with the Crv. I remember changing my oil and smelling a strong smell of gas. I contacted my dealership and they told me it’s only with the Crv. After about 6 months Honda said it’s also the civic now and they have an update for the software to fix it. I took it in got a free oil change and update and tbh I think it’s fixed I smell no gas in my oil when I change it now.
I just got that update and oil change in my sedan. We shall see.
@@halcyonoutlander2105 because it doesn't fix the problem - I have the same issue after their "rework". Can't fix faulty hardware with a SW patch.
No, they don't have it fixed.
The problem appears to be the GDI design, forcing too much gas into the combustion chamber with a stronger pump than is typical for direct fuel injection on a Vtech engine. If you want TDI buy a turbo diesel. Gasoline is a surfactant, not a lubricant.
my 2020 Si dipstick smells like straight fuel.
Oh boy. You're going to get a LOT of flak for this video. Much respect for wading into this controversy!
I know right? But we still wanted to try to talk about it best we could because it is definitely the #1 thing we get asked about for Honda's
First of all, you're giving us the manufacturer's mealy-mouthed explanation of the problem. Second of all, the results of oil dilution probably won't become apparent until well after that six-year warranty expires. Honda needs to extend it to 10 years. Thirdly, auto manufacturers are famous for not honoring warranties on older vehicles (see Ford's dual-clutch issues). And finally, the 1.5-liter turbo is also used in many other Hondas including the Accord. Is this something we should be worried about with every car that uses this engine? Since Honda clearly doesn't want to admit they have a problem, I would suggest avoiding all models with this motor until long term data can be collected. It's really a damn shame. Honda is famous for making reliable, long-lasting vehicles. This is the kind of scandal that can destroy a manufacturer's reputation.
I think if Honda does not have a real fix for the engine they need to buy those vehicles back or put in new corrected engines. Expensive for Honda? Yes, of course...but they owe it to the consumers who bought these defective turbo GDI engines.
Well said. They lie a lot.
Exactly. The author of this video is just mindlessly repeating what Honda said. Seriously suggestions like "don't use your vehicle for short trips", "Spend a fortune in frequent oil changes" and so on are straight up BS. And he didn't address the fact that those "fixes" they did on the previous models didn't fix it then, so why would it make a difference now?
Theres the oil dilution and the CVT transmission and head gasket failure rate etc. Walk away!
Very informative! We have a 2018 CRV and a 2018 Civic. We live in the south and drive on the highway to work everyday so I haven’t seen any problems. Good info, you did a great job explaining it.
Have you pulled your dip stick at regular intervals. and checked for over fill ,and smelled the stick for gasoline? If not, I suggest you get in a regular habit of doing so about ever 1,000 miles . My understanding is before the mileage reaches 70,000 miles due to the gasoline diluting the oil ,serious problems develop. Sorry !
Yes, if I had that vehicle I would definitely pull the dipstick, check the level, and definitely snif the dipstick every 2 weeks.
I have 200 k on my 2004 CRV with a 2.4 normally aspirated engine. Not a single problem. Simple, efficient and it works!
I will never buy a Honda ever again from the experience I've had with Honda Manufacturer reps. Never, ever, ever. It's clear that the dealer may want to do right (emphasis on "may"), but Honda does not care, not for one second. They want people to keep buying their cars, and just hide the truth about the various real problems with their cars. They don't have the courage to come out and say this to the public because if they talked to the public, you would clearly see how much they really really don't care about the public.
Honda reps are useless. When you call and have a issue. All they say is if the dealer techs saids it's normal its normal....
Thank you so much. Buying a 2021 Toyota Rav4. A 1.5L Turbo in a Suv is just asking for trouble & ANY Oil Dilution is a problem. I live in cold climate & short drives are all I do. Toyota Rav4 may have it's quirks too but the engine is solid. Maybe that's why Honda for the first time EVER is offering 0% financing. Mhmm
I have an 04 Civic and it's tough as nails. After watching this video I'm going to look at the Mazda 6 as my next purchase even though I was looking at the Accord. Thanks.
If you wait for the new Mazda 6, there will be more options such as a plug-in or inline 6. The current generation is very well tested and reliable though!
@@ljpr360 Good luck with that. Research the whining sound they make and Mazda changing out the entire transmission.
I owned a 2019 CRV EX, with the 1.5 turbo, and had very severe oil dilution problems in my warm Central California location. I took it to the local dealer, and had him smell the dipstick, which smelled badly of oil, and they said it was normal. I had two independent mechanics look at it, and they said it was severe oil dilution, and recommended I change the oil every 2000 miles. I ended up selling the car after 15,000 miles, after I read that there were recalls to this engine in Canada and northern States of the U.S., and later in China. When my dealer professed never hearing about the problem, I lost all trust in Honda.
No oil dilution problems on my 2020 Toyota Highlander XLE with a naturally aspirated V6 engine! Sorry Honda but the oil dilution issues cost you my business. If anyone else feels lucky ....go ahead with your Honda purchase.
Yep, I traded mine in for a Toyota Highlander, which has the dual fuel system, Port/Direct injection. No issues here.
The oil dilution issue only applies to the 1.5L 4 cylinder, not the 3.5L V6 in the Pilot. I have the same V6 in my 2017 MDX and it's given no issues in the past 66k miles.
Last month, I replaced an aging Acura (best car for me to date), with a Honda Passport. If I had not had the 3.5L V-6, but had to take a turbo driven engine (i.e., a CR-V), I would have left the Honda brand for the first time in 30 years. Honda' solutions to its oil dilution problems are all created in the public relations department, not in engineering.
I have a 2018 Honda Accord Sport with 1.5T, bought new a year and a half ago now has 22,000 miles and the car has been absolutely flawless. Great quality vehicle all over.
I've always been a Honda fan, until recently. Right now, I don't trust the Honda products for a number of reasons. Oil dilution and those CVT transmissions to name two.
Same here. Owned Hondas for nearly 30 years, all great solid reliable cars with nothing more than wear and tear repairs. My 2012 Fit Sport is still solid but it's also an old school NA engine with port injection. We're looking for a family vehicle for the wife and was considering the Odyssey, but with it's history of transmission problems and now with their cylinder shut off and auto engine off at stop light functions, people reporting serious cylinder damage and oil burning, looks like I'm going to a Toyota Sienna which avoids all those supposed fuel saving bell and whistles, but just ends up damaging an engine long term. Sorry Honda, was fun while it lasted!
@@msmoniz I was recently looking to buy a 2020 Odyssey EX-L. There were some transmission problems with the 9 speed automatics in previous years, but the 2020 has a 10 speed and from all indications, it is a perfectly smooth transmission without any perception of downshifting. As far as the engine cutoff at stop, there is a defeat switch for that. I would keep it defeated. The only reason I didn't buy it at this time, is the fact that I want to have a pretty good down payment. Paying $38,000 without anything down is just too much for me. I really like Honda, although I refuse to buy any car with a CVT transmission. The odyssey is one of the few that doesn't have this. I hope this helped.
Stephen Sams I’m well aware of everything you stated there. The VCM is not defeatable aside from aftermarket means and the stop start switch has to be enacted every time the car is started. It defaults back to regular mode after the car is shut off.
The Honda CVT in the CR-V and Civic is literally one of the best you can buy right now. Also, Civics w/1.5T from 2016 aren't dying.
@@stephensams709 Unfortunately, the Honda developed 10-speed is notorious for NOT being smooth, especially in low gears. I saw this in a test drive of an RDX. Shifts 1-3 from a stop are very lumpy. This has been mentioned in many reviews of this gearbox. It may be bulletproof reliable, but it's not smooth. To be fair, many of the 8 speed DCT boxes from German brands have low speed issue too. It's more important to have high gear counts over smooth action.
Of course, the true answer is YES, contra video. The dilution is not limited to cold weather or northern states, although the problem is greater in those circumstances. The changes mentioned do little or nothing to change the fact of excess gas accumulation in the oil. I've owned Honda or Acura for more than 40 years, and I just bought a new Passport. Honda's response to this problem is all in the marketing department, not in engineering. Honda puts a similar engine design in the Acura RDX, and it doesn't have the oil blow-by problem in the 1.5 liter put in the CR-V, so the problem is in the engine design. It would cost Honda a fortune to change the 1.5 liter over this, and doing so would also raise buyer demands for engine replacement in the previously sold cars. In the end, this is a decision made on the same basis as that used by Ford over the Pinto: it's probably cheaper to handle the cost of defending claims made later over bad design than to change the design now. The difference is that in the CR-V/Civic, engines will die. In the Ford Pinto, people died.
Well of course because FORD = Found On Road Dead
So it's "Fixed" according to Honda but if you live in cold climates it's better to do more frequent oil changes... So it is really fixed... 🤔 But that was a good, unbiased video thank you.
The best way to fix Honda problems is to buy a Toyota.
I'm 73 & owned Hondas most of my life but I will never buy a vehicle with a small turbocharged GDI engine.
I agree, the 2.4l was fine.
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Unless I can be convinced it will likely be dependable. I read something recently about the Mazda CX9 which has a 2.5 liter turbo GDI engine that mentioned a novel way in which Mazda engineered it to prevent carbon build-up on the intake valves (by designing it to keep the valves at a temperature that prevents carbon build-up) And a 2.5 isn't all that small anyway and I'm thinking if you drive conservatively (which I do) it should be just fine. I just have to find that information again. I think it was a review of the CX9 on the Savage Geese channel.
I have a Nissan leaf that's had zero issues. Battery will eventually be worn out. But it's been very dependable and cheap to own.
Steven Sevek, the turbocharger is not the issue or the cause of this problem. The high pressure direct injection is the issue and the fact that the engine doesn’t seem to get to operating temperature too quickly. Honda uses a very high pressure unit that can force the gasoline by the piston rings while the engine is cold.
@@patrickmcmullen7910
We had a 2016 Mazda 6 with a GDI 2.5 liter engine and it had 69,000 miles on it when we traded it. We never had any problems with it. It was not turbocharged. Are you saying that there is more pressure from the GDI in Honda's engine than in Mazda's?
Cant thank you enough!! My 2017CRV is a florida car, driven back to the east coast. So, I checked my oil, after a few months 3,500 miles, cuz the car was running rough. When I pulled the dipstick, the oil level was normal-high.. It smelled like fuel!!😳 I've never never pulled a oil stick on any car, and smelled fuel... So, now I know why!!
Taking it too the dealer, for the recall fix!! 🤞💜 Thankyou!!!!!
I had this problem on the 1.5T Accord. At least I had the dipstick that smelled like gas and very overfilled all the time. Sometimes the car would stall or stumble when starting. But I was always able to start it the second time. I was not confident in the car and got rid of it.
Design flaw. Honda didn’t fix it. They masked the issue.
Thanks for the well articulated perspective on this issue. The graphics are super helpful, and the overall presentation is very well done. Hopefully Honda will continue to stand behind these vehicles.
Thanks for the feedback. This was something a little bit different than usual for us
@ dan339g That’s the problem. Honda DOES NOT stand behind these vehicles. They say nothing is wrong. Smelling gas fumes and a dip stick that smells like pure gas is totally “normal.”
LOL a well articulated Honda corporate propaganda response. IT Is NOT FIXED
This is not considered fixed until Honda USA issues a written statement as to: 1. What is the maximum allowed oil/gas ratio that is allowed for safe operation. 2. What is the maximum oil level that is allowed for safe operation. 3. The turbo CRV has poor heat in very cold climates. What is the minimum temperature an owner can expect from heater when it's -10F outside. So far Honda has refused to issue this info.
yes you hit it
Keep in mind that driving very short distances on a regular bases with any gasoline powered vehicle is considered a harsh driving environment. That then calls for more frequent oil changes. Aside from fuel getting into the oil and never being burned off (so to speak) there's also the problem of condensation accumulating (water) in the crankcase also raising what you see on the dipstick.
So I buy a new car and now I have to worry what kind of trips I’m gonna be making. This is major and huge dealbreaker for me. Based on customers review this issue is not resolved for 2019 and 2020
J this is not fixed. There is dilution and the service dept at Honda will say it’s normal.
Your engine will break down.
@@hiteshjani8290 My 08 Toyota tundra has had this problem and guess what, it has 300K miles on it. Just change your oil every 3K miles. That's what I have been doing.
Just serviced a couple of 2020 CRV’s on its very first oil change at 4K miles. Was aware of this issue so I always investigate. Dipstick wreaked of gasoline and was passed the full mark.
Is this only the Turbo model? Because the Honda Fit uses the same L15B1 without the turbocharger..
I'm looking for a car that wont give me headaches (literally and figuratively), confirmation on this would be nice.
@@The_Noticer. Wrote this comment a year ago. A lot of 1.5T’s have been showing up high mileage at my shop with no issues even with the fuel issue - I wouldn’t hesitate. If people can put turbos on stock Honda engines pushing 300/400hp no problem, I would trust the company itself to make its own turbo engine.
@@lunchonthehood5675 Alright. I guess putting in GF6A into it, running good fuels and once in a while jetting the intake with PEA will make it last a good while then?
This Honda APOLIGIST (Video poster) says it only was issue up to 2018 models ....so he's wrong.....I read it was beyond 2018 in different article as well..
@@lunchonthehood5675 Maybe not engine failure 'yet' ...but as you know gas in oil is causing premature engine wear so it's only a matter of time...
No, there isn't supposed to be oil dilution. That is a cope from manufacturers. It was never an issue, until they started with direct injection.
t's amazing to see how many 2017 and 2018 used CRV's with the 1.5 Turbo engine that are on used car lots. People are trading them in in record numbers.
(This comment revised due to a spelling error)
Honda just give us back our K24 engine
My 2017 CRV LX with the 2.4L Earth Dreams engine has had four oil analysis reports. All had oil dilution from 2.0 to 3.5%. At under 25,000 miles it still sounds and operates normally though. So Don't think ANY car from Honda with direct cylinder fuel injection is immune to this problem. When either the 2.4L or 1.5L or the new 2.0L start getting to be over 100,000 miles, let's see what the reliability is.
My ilx has a k24 and makes me super happy everytime I rev that baby up
I.R. Wayright no such thing as a 2.4 earth dreams engine
@@overseasterritory8983 Want to tell that to the one in my 2017 CRV LX?
I.R. Wayright oh my bad I didn’t realize they made a 2.4 earth dreams I thought you were talking about the regular K series
I got rid of my 2018 Civic because of this issue. I measured the amount of liquid that came out of the crankcase on my final oil change and the amount of fuel in the pan accounted for just under 10% of the liquid. That's nearly 5 times higher than what's considered normal.
Blackstone Labs indicates that 2% or less is within the normal range. In retrospect I wish had purchased the 2.0, but that's a moot point now.
Moo point. Like a cow's opinion.
Glad you were able to get rid of that junk. Atleast there are some ignorants who thinks this is Software issue, or not even understand/know the issue. Honda has been sleezy off late with their fixes.
Honda only claimed oil dilution to cold weather 🤷🏾♂️. If you do alot of short trips with no planned highway stretches after those shorts short trips, skip this engine. What Honda doesn’t understand(and even tried to blame consumers) is that short trips aren’t a bad thing. Not everyone lives far from work or school, or the store. But own a vehicle for various reasons. That is just a given, should drivers who do short drives go out there way just to burn off or have oil evaporate on longer road trips?.....well yeah. But that is pretty stupid to just adjust your driving style. “O hey Bob where you going Saturday ?” “O on the highway, i need to burn off some fuel in my oil cause i did a lot of short trips this week” Like WHAT!?
Other manufacturers who have GDI Turbo engines don’t have this on a short trip basis. My driving ranges from short trips for a couple days to long trips back and forth. Obviously this engine isn’t for me, but i do know folks who still own this 1.5T and do short trips and are still complaining about a smell of fuel in the oil. If a manufacturer is struggling to meet “MOST”(not all now) just most consumers driving styles then why bother selling it. Is the oil dilution fixed no, but yes. Depends on the driver
I'm coming off lease in a few months and had planned on just leasing another crv but OD issue has scared me off . I joined a message board for hyundai kona because it interests me as an option but theres some members there indicating oil dilution on the kona 1.6 turbo . They make a 2 L non turbo engine option as well so at least you can go that way instead .
@ Mr. Failure Thank you!!! I needed to laugh. What you said is so true... unfortunately.
Great job Drew and Mason on explaining the oil dilution complaints and what Honda has done to fix the issue! I know every auto manufacturer looks for ways to make a more cost efficient product with great fuel mileage while still meeting all the emissions regulations. So seems oil dilution issue was a hiccup they experienced trying to improve a power train that I felt was not broken and more reliable (their naturally aspirated engines with non-CVT transmissions.) I still have a 2012 naturally aspirated 2.4L Honda Accord Coupe EX with automatic transmission. She has given me zero issues. I just keep up with regular maintenance and she still purrs like a VTech kitten. That is the Honda quality and reliability that will always hold a special place in my ❤️. Next baby will have electric motor, instant torque, zero emissions (model 3) and we shall see if she will have same reliability that I have come to expect for a daily driver.
Hearts re given to this guy! What is this St. Valentine's Day!
I’m a retired mechanic with a 2017 CRV. I change my own oil. The onetime I let a technician, other than myself, change it was part of the campaign to reprogram the ECM and replace AC controller. When I got home I checked workmanship and oil to get a baseline. I called corporate Honda in California to inform them the technician overfilled crankcase. I, on the other hand, take the time to slowly add oil to achieve correct line on the dipstick when I change it every 6,000 miles with Mobil one. I haven’t experienced any excessive dilution.
Bottom line, change your own oil and filter and change oil plug washer every time! Fill according to car manual and verify by checking dip stick! Only use oil velocity recommended by manufacture!
@@patrickkerner1471 I have a 2019. Dealer overfilled. Turns out they have an automated oil refiller that has increments of .5 quarts. CRV 1.5 takes 3.7 qts including filter. So they just set the auto filler to 4 qts. I bet there are a lot CRVs with .3 qts overfilled.
Hi, do you live in a cold climate? Is your crv still doing good?
Well, you're lucky. MY 2017 dumps gas in the crankcase like a pissing horse. I change my oil every 5K and use Mobil one too, but there's no way this is good for the engine.
@@shando3333 It doesn't matter. I don't live in the cold climate areas, and my 2017 has this problem since day one.
For your (apparent) age, you guys nailed it. I don't think a veteran mechanic could have done a better job. Thank you for the information.
Thank you for your propaganda on our behalf (Honda Management)
I had a 2018 CRV Touring 2WD. Loved it. It now belongs to another family member. I now have the 2020 CRV Touring 2WD, and love it even more. Never had a issue with oil dilution on the 2018, and none on the 2020. I test drove, in 2018, all of the competition, and found the comfort level, passenger roominess, and the storage capacity of the Honda, to be more of what I wanted. Experienced the same when I was shopping for the 2020. Honda fit me the best. For how I drive, as I am 65, and retired, I love the engine and the transmission. It drives really nicely, in the city, and the highway. I use the Econ mode most of the time, and I get a combined 31 mpg. I also choose, not to use the engine turn off / on feature, and I always need to turn it off ( the simple press of the button ) before I start to drive. I do wish it was able to be left off, permanently, but as it is a gas saving feature, I understand why it becomes automatically engaged. I recommend the vehicle highly ( I am a Honda fan ). Anyway, you two youngsters are doing a very nice job. Keep it up. Dan
I hope you got a good one. Did you actually check your 18? The dealer certainly won't tell you.
You are a Honda fan because of ignorance. In life many time Ignorance can be a bliss.
Thank you, Your video was the first I've seen, that explains Honda engine oil dilution in detail.
Glad you enjoyed!
Ron Kipp, I concur.
Total BS, VW , Mercedes, Porsche had Turbo engine for years and never heard about this problem. Honda, this is an engine design and/or manufactured flaw.
Good stuff. Just bought a 2019 Civic 1.5L Turbo. Glad to hear Honda fixed the oil dilution problem in the 2019 model. This had me concerned initially. Thanks for the video dude.
Any updates? I’m looking into a 2019 si right now
@@djpayton9128 I have a 2019 CR-V with 72K on the clock. There is a perceptible smell of gasoline on the dipstick and also in the oil when I change it. I change the oil at 5000 mile intervals, using a GF-6A oil with API SP rating. I do it myself because I want to be certain that the 'Best Oil' is in the crankcase. Honda says that "Normal fuel dilution" is less than 2% in this engine and considers the previous problem solved. A mixture of oil with 2% gasoline would definitely have a gasoline odor. I've yet to change the oil in this vehicle and not notice the smell of gasoline, winter or summer, the odor is always present.
I lost my faith on Honda , my niece has a passport with 55.000 and the engine blew up and Honda refuses to repair it . Because she cant provide receipts of the oil changes . Her husband is mechanic for Firestone and does all his oil changes .Honda sucks and doesn't back their products I will never buy another of their products after seeing what this young couple have gone through with this company.
So if the oil levels “rises” above maximum levels due to fuel in oil, I’m sure that the oil seals would be under major stress and could rupture and blow should pressures rise under high RPM’s.
The real issue is that when there is so much gasoline running into the crankcase to cause the oil level to rise, it dilutes the oil to such a degree that the oil is no longer thick enough to adequately lubricate bearings and other other components inside the engine. A couple quarts of gasoline in the crankcase will cause significant damage to the engine. Also, that much fuel running past the pistons washes the oil film off the cylinder bores, causing excessive wear to the bores, piston rings, and piston skirts. These Earth Dreams engines are going to live significantly shorter lives and will almost certainly have oil consumption issues very early in their lives.
@@karlschauff7989 These earth dreams are an earth nightmare lol. I hope all used buyers avoid them at all costs.
Not only is the oil diluted and thus effective, but it's also gas in there which is a solvent. It's a double whammy. The fact Honda got away with it (failed lawsuit) and claims it's fixed after a software update is sickening.
This is NOt a fix . Basically what honda did was redefine the term oil dilution and increase the
warranty . increasing the warranty is a red flag for me as it indicates that honda is admitting
that the engine is faulty . I was goi t to buy a new crv in two days but after reading numerous articles about this problem the deal is off.
Man I was looking into getting a new CRV, but this lingering problem scares the hell out of me.
Toyota Rav4 has a Solid Non Turbo engine. Never buy a turbo engine. To much pressure & i can tell you exactly when the oil dilution happens on a turbo. When engine is cold & you punch it to get on the highway. If one is a led foot Forget about it.
What lingering problem? He literally made a video to say it's been fixed. It was fixed then and the fix has been implemented on the newer models.
Stay away don't buy it I brought back my 2020 and they took it back it still has the problem honda lied to me and to the people .I'll keep my 08 crv
That is a lie and he was no doubt speaking only for Honda. Probably some one in his family is an employee of Honda! Tell him to come to North Carolina and I will show him the problems still still very serious.@@JamesMcCarty
@@JamesMcCarty It’s obviously a bandaid fix he was explaining. Sounds like the problem is still there. Such a shame because it’s a great car otherwise.
Had many Honda vehicles over the years. The 2018 CRV was our last Honda. Did all the required fixes for the dilution issue. Gas fumes inside the vehicle did still persist. Oil levels were still high above average for the CRV. The 1.5 litre turbocharged engine seemed to work fine but I never had a vehicle that I smelled gas inside more than not. Only put 30k on it before we traded it. Sorry, Honda.
Own a 2019 CR-V. Oil dilution IS STILL A PROBLEM! 3.8 quarts go in. After about 1000 miles, 5.1 quarts come out. Very strong smell of gasoline. Oil is dirty, and viscosity is greatly diminished.
Yup. Mine too. Dealer had my2019 ex for 5 days and nothing was done cuz Honda told the dealer all 2019 has been updated
I did call American Honda and was given an incident number. They told me to take the vehicle to a dealership so they could check it out. The dealer I am working with has had more than one CR-V with this issue. They have been in contact with American Honda and a rep was to be sent out to the dealership, until the lockdowns over COVID19 started. Hoping the email exchanges between me, American Honda, and the dealership will bring about some resolution
@@duncanmchugh8151 was the oil dilution problem resolved in your crv?
@@shando3333 no. Full disclosure... the problem became worse. The CR-V was adding a quart of gasoline to the oil in only 800 miles... regular dipstick checks kept me informed of the fluid level in the oil pan. The dealer we were working with was very helpful and we decided to work with them to replace it. We purchased a 2020 Passport with a V6 engine. We love it.
Sorry, I would not buy this car. There are lots of other vehicles that don't have this (major) problem
Buy 2.4L CRV or 2.0L Civic if you're worried.. no turbo
Lunisce, the turbo is NOT the problem on the 1.5 engine. It’s the very high pressure fuel delivery that is blasting the gasoline past the piston rings while the engine is cold. The turbo is basically non functioning below 140 degrees water temperature.
Patrick McMullen thanks, good to know
@@patrickmcmullen7910 but to be fair here you don't need to turbocharge engines for regular vehicles anyway. That's where half of all modern car problems come from. Take something not capable of doing the job then force feeding it to make it do the job is going to kill anything faster. Small displacement turbo engines is a trend that needs to die
Stupid tend, I must say and I hope it die soon. Toyota did it without Turbo and their vehicle are more trouble free.
I’ll be keeping my 2010 model with the NA 2.4L engine.
Me too keeping my 2005 Civic 2.4L engine. I'm a casual driver I do not need a turbo engine or a 8-10 speed transmission. Please stop this!!!
Same here. Keeping the 2005 Accord 2.4l with 212000 miles
You can still get the 2.4L in the LX CR-V on the new body style
TheCompyshop I thought the 2020 has only the 1.5L turbo and the hybrid to choose from.
Long live the K24 haha.
Just bought the 2020 1.5t civic with the manual transmission, fingers are crossed after reading some of these comments.
Honda can you hear us, bring back natural aspirated engines with no CVT, just give as option and you will see the contrast of purchasing...
Their CVT's are the best in the business to be fair.
smokesgtp I would think that Toyota has the best CVTs (Owning Aisin and all...). I’ve heard some not so great things with the Honda CVTs but I like how they drive ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I don't mind CVT's but when they add simulated (fake) shift it becomes a deal breaker for me as it serves no purpose whatsoever except maybe to fool some drivers into thinking it's a normal transmission. Most manufacturers with CVT's seem to all do this so Honda isn't going solo.
@@kenhoward3512 they operate in the smoothest fashion and they don't constantly remind you they are a CVT. Those are the most important factors for people who don't care for CVT's. Go drive one, then go drive a Subaru, a Nissan and on down the list. You'll see.
CVTs are awesome. I have a 2006 Highlander Hybrid with a CVT and it has been problem-free. Love how smooth it runs.
I know nothing about cars but after spending two days reading and watching reviews, complaints including the beginning trickle of 2020 complaints, the class action lawsuit against Honda, reading what dealerships are telling customers, including what they've told influential TH-cam channels including, but not limited to this one, I honestly feel like I've learned that NOTHING has been resolved, people have been lied to, misinformation is still being spread (unintentionally I'm sure) and that I've never felt more unsure about buying a car, period.
Which makes my mind up for me. I'll look elsewhere. Sorry Honda. (I ordered a 2020 used CRV at Carmax and test drove it and loved it... Only to discover this issue after the fact, so I won't make the purchase)
Ok so I have a 2018 CRV with oil dilution. I had all the updates done and still have no difference on how high my oil is reading on the dipstick. Way over the full mark. If this fix is what has already been done in the newest models how has the problem been resolved??? Sorry I forgot it’s normal to have gas in your oil!!
Honda SHOULD HAVE done a recall on all the vehicles having oil dilution. That's why I won't by a Honda any longer, they don't stand by their products
i dont even look, i just drive my car. I aint poppin the hood on my crv thats their job.
Same thing here. Dealer (after consultation with Honda) decided to change oil for free, updated software - but I have still the same problem. After 3000 miles the oil level is > 0.5" above original level. Is it at abnormal level - they will not define it. To me the video here is addressing oil dilution same way as the dealer does. Using word EXCESSIVE oil dilution without define it is useless to all honda owner. After all there the oil dipstick is there for visual indication of oil level.
Yeah, make sure you’re not a qt. Low on gas in your oil!
In summary it hasn't been fixed. It's a design flaw.
Absolutely it is still a serious problem . My wife and I purchased a new 2019 Honda CR-V in July of 2019 and at 7,000 mi the dip stick showed over full and it had a STRONG smell of gasoline .The dealer only gave me the run-a- round without offering any solutions to fix the problem . Because of our age we don't know what is left for us to do .This was our first new car in over 20 years .We are both worrying about how can we afford to fix it if there is a serious problem after the warranty expires....
@@w.a.holland2239 I have no real knowledge of these things but possibly an oil change every 2 or 3 months will help extend the life of the engine. You are effectively replacing the contaminated oil with new un contaminated oil. A bit of a pain getting an oil change every few months but it’s a possible option.
@@w.a.holland2239 The warranty has been extended for a long time and if it were me, I’d change the oil every 3000 miles and not like 5000 as some say. If you live in a colder climate it’s more an issue but not the end all.
But remember... It isn't just the Turbo engines that have oil dilution. I had a 2016 Honda CRV TOURING, bought new. It had oil dilution bad, 1.5 quarts high, from the get go. 2.4 liter Earthdreams engine. Sold it for this reason. Honda should do a recall on ALL OF THESE. Other manufacturers do recalls, Honda makes excuses, like: COLD WEATHER DRIVING, SHORT TRIPS. Come on now, I've driven 20+ cars in my life in cold weather with short trips and NONE of them had this problem!
Also, people who drive only highway, long trips and live in Texas and Florida are having this issue too.
A car is only as good as how they honor their warranties.
Never again, Honda!
When you live in Canada the small engine it takes about a good 10 minutes drive before it warms up and if you live in a small city and you’re doing short trips that mean this car it’s not good for Canadian market
Yet they are made in Canada, right
CANADA is HIGH COST to purchase a vehicle, If it were me i would go with the rav 4. For me one GOOD THING ABOUT HONDA is anything above the crv lx comes with a REMOTE START. For the rav 4 you gotta go ENTUNE APP or be prepared to PAY $500.00 or more.
@@clarencewhite6053 2.5l NA Toyota engine had a recall for fuel pump :)
I’m in Canada and I’ve driven 2010, 2016 & 2020 CRV’s. They all warm up within 5 minutes, the 2020 has the 1.5 turbo and took 3 minutes in -17 Celsius weather and even less when it is warmer. It’s better to drive cold, don’t use Remote start, don’t use heat or entertainment until you see the temperature gauge go up to about 1/4 or 1/3. If it’s-30 it could take longer of course but that’s to be expected. 2010 & 2016 are K engines, the 1.5 Litre turbo engine is the L15B7 engine. Best car I’ve ever driven by far and that includes my Hyundai Santa Fe XL with a Lambda II GDi engine (G6DH version). Honda warms up quicker and more powerful due to the turbo
Ya well my 2019 crv never warms up, it could be -20 and I can start it up in the driveway and let it run for ever, the guage wont come up. I have to drive the damn thing for 15 min just for it to come up 1 notch. The thing is brutal for warming up, fricken defrost doesn't do shit until you drive it for 5 minutes guessing where to go cause you cant see nothing through the windshield. So go ahead and buy one folks, you'll love it!
IT HASNT BEEN FIXED, so going to Toyota👍👍👍
It’s definitely been fixed and IMO 2020 CR-V is much better than 2016 when it comes to oil dilution despite the smaller engine
NO it Has Not been fixed. Buyer beware.
Shock Semler it’s fixed for me
SCraig 2018 I’m glad:)
Its too bad because other than engine its a great SUV. Who wants to take the chance on a 30K+ purchase that it will be worthless in resale or trade in 5-10 years, maybe not, but maybe. The engine should be junked IMO. We in the northern climates shouldn't have to pay games with the weather.
Lmaooo so basically don't live in cold climates 🙄 if you have to change the oil more frequently than normal to avoid a big problem then how the hell can anyone recommend a damn CR-V to anyone 😂😂 honda better start giving out free oil changes.
It happens in warm climates too. Owners in southern states have complained about it.
@@tails300 see now that's even worse so crv definitely a big no no for me that earth dream engine is completely utter garbage
Free oil changes... Nothing will convince me to ever buy another Honda.
@@stevensevek6151 what blows my mind is websites keep saying cr-v is reliable but when I go on car complaints. Com they label some model year cr-v's as clunkers so I don't know who the hell to believe these days 😂😂😂😂.
The oil dilution problem has been addressed for new 2019 models and later, and can be addressed for 2015-2018 models at the dealership. The complaints for oil dilution in 2019-2020 models are extremely low. www.carcomplaints.com/Honda/CR-V/
Haha, 6 year extended warranty is a joke from Honda. That's only 120,000 miles for most people. Most of us bought a Honda because of their (old) reputation of lasting for 200,000 miles or longer. If engine goes out at 121,000 miles from oil dilution, the owner is going to have to buy a new engine out of their own pocket.
Chuck entleutner pretty unlikely. I’ve seen civic 1.5 turbos with over 150k already, infrequent servicing, and no real problems.
Hondas that last over 200k are usually looked after. People who buy them on reputation and then don’t do maintenance are often disappointed.
The extended warranty is unlimited mileage.
@@19656prt If that's what you want to believe, you will see ...
My 2019 CRV has the oil dilution problem so it hasn't been corrected
I also have a 2019. Living in Canada driving about 5 kilos to work and I am seeing some increase in the iil level but not sure if that is considerd abnormal oil dilution. Some questions for my edufication. Are you living in a climate where it goes to below 10F. Do you drive short distances? Has the dealer confirmed that you have a problem or what criteria do you use to say that your oil dilution is abnormal?
Beer Stein I live in south Texas and have a 2019 CRV that has a very strong smell of gas coming from under the hood and the dip stick smells like pure gas. I’ve taken it to the dealership twice and of course they’ve told me nothing is wrong. I know this is not “ normal “ even though they say a small amount of gas does get into the oil with these particular engines.They ( Honda) don’t specify what a “small amount “ is. If your oil level is increasing it is from gasoline; and that’s not a “ small amount “. There is a place called Blackstone Laboratories that will analyze your oil for contaminants. I hope this helps you somewhat. We’re all in the same situation. Good luck to you.
I also have a 2019 CRV and haven't had this problem at all.
Shirley Shawhan If you have the 2.4L engine you won’t have the dilution problem. It’s only in the 1.5L turbo. If you have the turbo and you’ve had no problem all I can say is that your very fortunate.
@@shocksemler8145 I have a 2019 CRV with 1.5T with 12K miles. I have zero oil dilution but I live in California and all my trips are over 20 minutes. I must be lucky too as I can't believe people would make this stuff up.
I have a 2018 CR-V. In cold weather the engine fix did not make any difference in the engine warming up faster as stated. In MN and I am sure anywhere else it gets cold this engine loses engine temp for me below about 10 degrees unless driving at highway speed. Cold enough you can't keep the windshield clear. Dealer service manager says his Accord blows cold air out of the vents while waiting at a light after exiting the freeway. My engine temp gauge drops to below the C in about 4 minutes at idle. Honda official position is that this vehicle operating as designed. This is unsafe.
Excuses by Honda
Well, not only those problems but smell gas inside is not acceptable! My kids can smell it and asked what smell is it? Then they got dizziness, It’s a big safety issue!
I'm thinking of buying a new CRV so thanks for this video
IndigoStarAz don’t buy it.
Probably to late .I brought back my 2020 crv major problems stalling dilution almost 1 quart over each oil change they took the car back when my lawyer was present after they told me it was fixed it wasn't DONT BUY IT STAY AWAY
Amen! Stay far away from new Honda's until you hear that they admit a serious problem ,and have an international recall!@@pilot2020
Ok it just me or is there bad weather in basically every car video you guys do. Feel bad for you dudes, it’s always raining or snowing in your videos LOL! But props to you guys because you work hard at this.
KY weather fights us hard sometimes but works gotta get done one way or the other! 💪
It does impact them very much!! My mom has a 2018 that she bought brand new and she lives in washing where it’s gets in the mid 20’s and low teens. Every time she goes to the work of the store she freezes to death because the engine doesn’t warm up in turn neither does the heater!! This is a very real issue they people are facing and dealership claims it’s normal to freeze to death in your brand new car in the winter??
I, too, have noticed that our 2018 takes a long time to warm up ( easily 10 minutes+ ) especially in slow traffic unless there are highway/uphill driving, and even then, the coolant temperature drops again the moment I turn up the heat on a cold day (< -5C especially). At the end of the day, it is only a 1.5 litre engine unless the turbo is activated. We used to have a 3 litre V6 vehicle in the early 90's and the heat was very quick..
Fortunately, ours CRV does have heated steering wheel and seats, which get warm within a minute. I would make good use of if possible.
Just picked up a used 2021 . . . will let you know if this is still an issue! Ironic, that in their attempts to improve fuel economy Honda has introduced all this trouble with the turbo. I had a Yamaha 650 Seca Turbo back in the day (late 80s) and had this dilution problem. That, of course, was not injected. Thanks for the review, very well done. One small point, it's "Exacerbated" not "Exasperated" . . . 🙂
Excellent video. From what I've been reading OD is no longer an issue after the fixes and most of the complaints are older posts. There are civics out there with 200k miles on them and no problems. The misinformation from people who don't even own the car is ridiculous
I had 2 Civics in the past with over 200k BUT they didn't have a turbo engine. Turbo's are a deal breaker for me and they were even before the oil dilution problem surfaced. I did purchase a new 2019 Insight with a 1.5L Atkinson engine which works with the electric motor..... great car with incredible gas mileage.
Well done. No auto manufacturer has avoided problems. All you can do is inform which I and others appreciate!
Perhaps if starting the car when the outside temperatures are cold enough to contribute to the dilution issue then just allowing the engine to warm up at idle before driving it hard would be an adequate precaution. Giving the engine a extra minute to warm up at idle is probably not a bad idea for any automobile.
yea, that MAKES SENSE. I have a 2020 crv ex which comes WITH FACTORY REMOTE. I normally REMOTE START my car for 10-20 minutes before driving, ihaven't had any hiccups with mine.
Dude I just got a 2020v1.5 Turbo Honda Accord with 4000 miles and my my oil level is like a this is like above the high mark it's already to the point where it's hitting the metal rod And the oil smells like straight-up-and-down gasoline And I've only driven the car for a 1000 miles And I live in Miami and it's summer time So you tell me what they have fixed
No you make the problems worse by "letting it warm up". In doing-so you're forcing the engine to take longer to heat up and thus exacerbating the oil dilution. I hypothesize this is exactly why the northern states had this issue even more because this is common practice there; before you drive you let it warm up.
I would suggest, in all cars, to start the car and let it run for a minute and return to normal idle RPM. Then drive the car lightly, don't rev high, until the engine is fully warmed.
And specifically for this Honda, I would suggest getting rid of it posthaste and avoid buying it used.
2017 CRV owner here. I check frequently and just like the vast majority of owners, I don't have Engine OD or CVT issues. I don't live in a particularly hot region or take long drives either. I remember a time when folks said Honda's small displacement high RPM/output trick valves-train engines or complicated torque vectoring wouldn't last, and yet I'm still daily driving my 1997 Prelude SH with all factory original parts (except consumables) and no major repairs needed. The comments section in any CRV video is full of beliefs and conjecture with few verifiable facts from actual owners.
I was an actual owner, had an 18 EX and it was a great car except for the 8 to 12 ounces of gasoline in the oil every 2000 miles or so, winter or summer it didn't matter. It's real believe me. I so wish it wasnt.
@@MontanaWelldigger And that really sucks for you. I'm sorry to hear that, but the question is, what is the actual percentage of those with problems vs those without across the thousands sold? I work in social media analytics and a few angry influences usually skew the overall public perception. People are more apt to bother to go online and leave a bad review than a good one. My understanding is this OD issue is exasperated by frequent short drives in colder weather.
It really was a shock for us to discover this problem as we live in a rural area 30 miles from town we just don't make short trips. We have owned 6 new Hondas since 2008 we were dyed in the wool Honda people until this incident with the oil dilution, the deal breaker for us was was the treatment and denial from Honda. People just don't check their oil on a newer car and the dealer wont mention it. I've been in contact with people that say "we don't have a problem with ours." and they haven't even checked, then they do and it's like "Oh my God!!"
@@MontanaWelldigger The fact that I live in an urban core, commute maybe 10-12 mi daily, and have a 2017 model, then yeah, yours is unfortunately defective. It's understandable that you'd be vocal about Honda's treatment, but my point is you're probably in the minority. I'd be interested in the new hybrid CRV, but would wait a yr or two to see how it shakes out.
@@Phrancis5 It should not meter for frequent short drive in colder weather to be blamed. Bottom line- there is a problem. You should not have these kind of problems- period!. People purchased these cars to drive in all weather conditions. Otherwise Honda should specify " FOR DRIVING ABOVE FREEZING TEMP ONLY"
There is talk that a new 0w-16 engine oil is coming out soon that is more gasoline resistant. The local dealer has a lifetime warranty, if you always go there for service. In the past, some dealers offering this went out of business, so it was the lifetime of the company and not how long you owned the vehicle. I am waiting for the April issue of Consumer Reports magazine at the library, that has reliability ratings for the last 8 years.
@@spoton3278 I agree, it is difficult to find people who will truly honor any warranty. They usually find some bullshit excuse to screw you and save their money and time. We bought a CX-5 instead of a CR-V. Mazda reliability has been improving the last few years, since they parted ways with Ford. The year old Consumer Reports top ten list for reliability has the CX-5. Their newest top ten list for reliability has the MX-5 Miata, CX-3 and CX-9. They do not take any advertising money from car brands, so hopefully they are more honest than JD Power.
Thanks for the great explanation! I recently purchased a 2017 CR-V but I live in Florida and in a more rural area(so rarely any quick trips) and glad to hear the power train warranty was extended. You guys make great videos, keep it up!😃
Thank you! Glad you found the video helpful!
I had 2020 CRV and it was still reading on metal part of my oil dip stick above max marks. Could you please define what is normal vs excessive oil dilution? I also had dealer look at it, all they did is changed my oil and when I asked them what is normal dilution they said that there is no open re-calls for 2020 that is because its still new. There is a reason why China rejected proposed Honda fix and force them to re-call them due to reliability/safety concerns in their country and also to protect consumers. I ended up taking a loss and trading it for other non-Honda vehicle.
There’s no oil dilution on my 2020 CR-V, even today, -12 Celsius with the wind chill (10 Fahrenheit)
@@SCraig-Handsome FYI In any GDI engine there will be some oil dilution part of engine life cycle. What people on the internet speak of, is an excessive oil dilution. If you have zero oil dilution you must not be driving your car, in that case congratulations.
Lone Wolf are they warming up their car for 10-20 minutes? If so they are running it at 800 RPMs in mild weather, you need to get the engine to 2,500 RPM. I had a fuel injection problem in 1996, I was told to get it to 2,500 RPM as soon as I could for the engine to burn off the gasoline. Fuel injection has been used since 1894, this is nothing new. Eventually I had to get the ECU replaced which improved the situation but due to a design flaw engines back then could get flooded with gas if you idle them, even in cold weather. It’s uncomfortable sure but all you have to do is leave the heater off until the engine temperature gauge get to about 1/3, then turn it on. The critical temperature is about 550 Fahrenheit, get it to that then you can turn on your heaters and entertainment system. I only drive 8km to work (5 miles) but it usually gets to that before I park, then I’ll do some driving on the weekend to make sure I don’t have any issues. Not a big deal and it’s worked with Chrysler, Toyota and Honda PFI, GDI any type of fuel injection
@@SCraig-Handsome I drove my 2020 CRV for 25miles to work and 25 miles back it has had plenty of time to get up to operation temps. I still had an issue with oil reading on my metal part of the dip stick even after dealer looked at it and did oil change on it. It was Mon-Fri I just get in to my Car and go.On top of that thin low friction piston rings which do not help in this case. People and Engineers in China understood this issue. That is why government stepped in and forced Honda to re-call them instead to playing around with ECU flash/reprogramming, That way consumer was protected. Here in US I can't say the same. I ended up trading that Lemon in and that is end of story for me. As for others I can only be certain in my case. But feel free to ask people in comments/other forums etc.
Maybe if Honda will bring diesel to US I could give them another chance, but not now
I will help you guys out in cold climate - I live in Alberta, Canada. I have been keeping an eye on my engine specifically for any abnormal oil dilution. I drive about 45 mins to and from work daily so I do very minimal short hops. I did an oil change before fall and I just did one after we had a massive cold spell (-40C for over a week) a few weeks ago in early Feb. This is something we will have to get used to IF we demand smaller fuel efficient engines that give us unreal gas mileage WHILE giving us power AND we don't want to go with Toyota. I have an '19 Si, I knew this going in so I am diligent with my oil changes etc.
My other choices was getting a WRX or STi but then deal with head gaskets, and horrible fuel consumption. I could have gone with Toyota which does both GDI and Port Injection but have nothing really nice for a sportier car. Pick your battles basically.
Cx 5 is the answer
They only fix the upper end of the engine when the engine fails from oil dilution and believe me they will. Do more oil changes at our expense and then when ready to sell or trade take another hammering because everyone is afraid of them. These were always a 10 plus year vehicle and 2 to 300 thousand mile vehicle but not anymore. Shame to see a so great a company in the past cheapen their product and start faltering out of sight.
So what vehicles of today would you consider being able to last 10 years or 2 to 300 miles?? 🤔
@@electron7659 As Scottie says that in the Honda you have to change the oil at no more than 5000 miles and not push the turbo because of the extra strain it puts on the small motor. He also said direct injection will cause some oil dilution no matter what brand you buy and that is why you shouldn't run it as long as the car manufacture says. This will help them last but he feels with the way they have cheapened the vehicles with plastics and CVTs they will not last as long as older Hondas. I really don't know what one would buy and expect 300 anymore. For me I'm retired and wouldn't put that on in the rest of my life.
@@brianpooley6635 so which cars are good that don't have direct injection? 🤔
@@electron7659 It appears like most of them are going that way now. I heard Scottie mention something about Toyota using a system that is a little different in that it injects and still cleans the valves. Myself I am still prejudice to both Honda and Toyota.
@@brianpooley6635 Well that sucks. I was even considering a Mazda because at least they don't use a CVT. But not sure if they use GDI or port injection.
What you have explained is a bandaid fix. Sounds like the actual problem remains. The extended power train warranty is not much comfort because when you try to sell it just before the warranty expires buyers won’t want to pay much for the vehicle. Such a shame because it otherwise looks like a great vehicle.
Wish I could trust Honda to believe this is true. Need someone who drives a 2020 to document their experience. I would drive mostly short trips in Tennessee and don’t want to have to have oil changed every 2500 miles.
@ Kathy Smith I would not buy any Honda CRV until they put a different engine in it. I have a 2019 and have the oil dilution problem. It cannot be “fixed” by doing a software update. That is ridiculous. I’ve had 2 Odyssey’s and loved them but wanted something smaller so I bought the CRV. I wish I had known about the dilution problem. I never would have made that purchase. It’s very upsetting. I hope this helps you.
Shock Semler thank you for the information, I appreciate you taking the time to explain your situation.
Kathy Smith You’re very welcome. When I was researching vehicles nothing had been written about this dilution problem. I think it became known about 6 months after I bought mine. Then there were tons of articles. Anyway if I can help even one person it’s worth it. Good luck to you:)
@@shocksemler8145 was it the 1.5 or 2.5? Thank you
mlfez I had the 1.5L turbo. The 2.4 L doesn’t have the oil dilution issue but Honda no longer makes it unfortunately. I traded my vehicle in since my last post.
I was a Honda fan until this. I had a 2017 CRV. I traded it for a 2020 Mazda CX-5. Now, no more apprehension about the engine, and 6 gears definitely kicks ass on that cvt. Mazda ticked all the boxes. I'm willing to give up an mpg or two for the horsepower of the CX5 and it's more luxurious interior.
Second!! Love you guys!
I have a 2021 CR-V and changed the oil at 2400 miles and smelled like raw gas (it's very first oil change). It was QUITE a strong gas smell. I would say if you buy a 2021 CR-V change the oil every 2500 miles. No joke.
Awesome 👏 vídeo...
Very interesting and informative 🙌🙌
Any recommendations to swap my Ex-2017Crv 1.5ltrs turbo to a budget friendly SUV ???Mazda or Toyota ?
I'll stick with my two current cr-v's , an 03 &14.
Both with the super reliable 2.4 engine.
"You might want to take it out on the highway more often instead of shorter trips to let the engine warm up". Sure Buddy. Do you work for Honda or something? You need to go to the store around the corner but you have a 2018 CR-V so you have to go to the store in another city so the engine warms up and vaporizes some of that gas. I have a job 5 minutes away but I guess I'd need to get a job further from home to suit my crappy CR-V's mood swings if I bought one. Great idea.