Shooting the Yugoslav M49/57 Submachine Gun
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The Yugoslav M49/57 submachine gun looks very similar to the Soviet PPSh-41, but it constructed quite differently, and has a much larger recoil spring. The question is, how will it shoot? Will it be fast and controllable like the Papasha or slower like the Sudayev?
Thanks to Marstar for letting me examine and shoot their M49/57!
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My father enjoyed the M49/57 videos. He carried this in the Yugoslav army back in the day. He had fond memories of that subgun.
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Talk about a dream job. lol
I like the fact that when you compare the slow-motion footage from this and the PPSh-41 you can see the PPSh rattles quite a bit between its upper and lower, whereas this gun doesn't. Nice to catch those tiny distinctions made by different manufacturing processes.
Trigger slap is obviously very clever slav engineering to remind our soldiers to not waste ammo on full auto. After all 7.62×25mm Tokarev rounds don't grow on trees, not even in most glorious Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia.
This is not bug but feature: trigger kick mean "stop shooting, you waste ammo" :D
It doesn't trigger kick if you run it till it's empty - it's a feature installed by ammo manufactures!
@@ewokuk they want you to waste ammo though...you buy more that way
3:42 that tactical Yugoslavian reload.
So I'm not the only one who saw this :D
Mister Bone I'm gonna reload like that from now on.
I find it really interesting that these older sub machine guns are a large as modern carbines. It's no wonder that the Russians called the AKs smgs and used them as such.
Well, guns like the ppsh-41 and the AK-47 are sturdier than the over priced plastic toys soldiers use today.
@@wyattpeterson6286 lmfao no
@@wyattpeterson6286 Okay Mr. Boomer-fudd lmao
The ppsh-41 wobbles around like a wet noodle when you fire it, this gun is totally solid
Sunburnt Ian.
you are a real Inspiration, doing what you love for years and letting us watch :)
The slow motion footage reveals a silky smooth operation. The bolt look well decelerated before impacting the receiver, and a very ridged barreled action, with little flexing.
The thing I find myself looking for on the slo-mo videos these days is parts flex and bounce. It's really quite scary how much supposedly 'solid' bits of the guns move around relative to each other when you see it slowed down. This one seems remarkably solid, but then it's not firing the most punchy round in the world.
@Stefano Pavone it's a better submachine round than pistol round
@Stefano Pavone yeah there's definitely a reason they adopted the Makarov at the same time as the ak
@Stefano Pavone yeah there's definitely a reason they adopted the Makarov at the same time as the ak
Standard surplus 7.62 tok in a pistol runs about 1700-1750 in a smg it’s right around the 2000 mark. I think it’s a pretty damn good smg round. The stuff you buy nowadays is more like in the 1400ish range. That’s why I ordered rounds from 1950 and they are still perfect run just fine.
This isn't restricted to guns; you'd be surprised how wobbly and flexible an awful lot of everyday things are that we generally consider solid and immutable.
To everybody complaining about this dude not dumping the mag......he is probably being respectful to the actual gun owner
you're the best Ian.
first thing I do every morning is watch your vids before 0630 PT formation lol
I like how the leaves react in the background of some of the slowmo shots.
I love when he links the video at the end and you can see it a day early
You should get something like a PPSH and an Mp18 to fire side by side with slo-mo. It would be interesting to see two different rates of fire and watch the action cycle side by side in slow motion.
Awesome SMG and video.
Gotta love that ROF, I really wanna get my hands on one.
Unrelated.
No matter how crappy my day
Gun Jesus is always there to help
During the last slow motion scene it looks like you could actually see the trigger being kicked forward by the bolt as he moved his hand.
Great touch seeing the muzzle deflect gas to the side moving the vegetation. Quite a lot of deflection.
Ian- when you do this sort of video, I really would like a "3rd person" type view, so we can get a feeling for how easily you can keep them on target. Side view doesn't quite convey that you keep them all in a vitals area, or that it rattles around a lot, etc.
I love the aesthetic.
Will probably be buying one in near future, can't wait...
A nice way to spend part of a day! :)
great video
Cool gun !
Ian have you ever seen a Toz 82? That is a pretty interesting forgotten weapon imo.
We are the chosen ones!
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Really? I don't feel Jewish....
It was said that we would destroy the sith, not joint them.
you can actually see the trigger snap forward at 4:16
I always hate myself for doing this, but I can't help I to... Now I have to wait two days for a new video...
Definitely can see the trigger kick back in the last slomo clip.
what a great rifle
I’ve shot both of the M49 and PPSH, the M49 is much more controllable. Thanks for sharing to everyone who can’t own one. Mine is a Stemple tube gun so it’s possible they tuned it better than the real ones but it’s very easy to shoot in TT ammo but also shoots 9mm which is a bonus.
4:16 You can see the trigger slap on the last round fired.
I noticed you were holding the magasine in the last shot. I know that it causes misfeeds on the MP40, but doesnt the same apply to this one?
Yugoslav M49: Son
PPSH-41: Father
Suomi KP-31: Grandfather
Mother : beretta smg
Grandfather: Mauser C96 Schnellfeuer
@@dankovac1609 Schnellfeuer is also from the 1930s.
@@LUR1FAX yes
Pro mag grab at 3:43
Something that I've been wondering on; in general is it advisable to use the magazine as a grip when firing?
Depends on the design I guess, but can't that cause trouble with feeding? Or is this rarely a problem at all?
It depends rock and lock mags don’t damage if u pull them a specific way
it's rly quiet, surprising !
The trigger slap although it might be a bug and not a design of the weapon . It could be useful. The slap could be trained into the shooters as point to release the trigger. Thereby shooting bursts instead of emptying the magazine.
Only thing I miss are targets:-))
After shooting It would be nice to show how precise theese weapons are.
when Not-Ian was shooting you can see it looks like there was some trigger slap along with a lot of recoil
Looks like a gem. That an M4 carbine or an AK actually outperforms this thing in close combat is rather scary.
In close quarters, 900-1000rpm out of this thing is probably better than either.
2:45 I wonder if you could design a gun like that on purpose. It would basically knock your finger off the trigger just long enough for it to reset. Then when you pull back, it would go off a second time.
I know they weren't all that great, but can the M49/57 run the drum? (Assuming the drum itself is working properly)
Thabls for the vid
Goodday ian if you have the chance can you make a video about the toz 82 with the machete stock
Imagine a stick mag that was 20 feet long and had over 1000 rounds in it? I wonder if it would get so hot that it would destroy itself?
#StickingWithTheStickMags
Václav Fejt #Drummagsareinconsistant
3:44 If you had messed that throw up Ian, would you have redone the take? Rather brave of you to do something with such high degrees of 'fuck-it-up' potential at the end of a take :P
That gun shoots so damned fast you can only see Ian's hat in the slo-mo footage.
So... would you say it handles like a PPSH41?
you my friend have the best job in the world. you get paid to have fun.
have you ever had a chance to try out headsets like the peltor comtac 3, jus curious...or any1 here in the comments?
Aw happy Ian
I know I made a litle fun of it for being an "overengineered PPSh", but man, there is just no flex or shake to that gun at all- especially compared to the PPSh-41 itself!
Might be what they had to make it with, too - big presses for the Shpagin, lathes and mills for this?
It's like a Suomi and a PPSh-41 had a baby
Seems faster and more stable, considering it’s milled instead of stamped it makes sense.
Looks very controllable
But where do you stick the stick mag you're sticking with?
Any reason you had your thumb on the same side of the gun as your fingers, some of the time?
My God! I want one.
Full auto in Canada, and yet here we are only aloud to take my Ar to the range and back
This honestly looks like a cross between the PPsh and PPD ;). I know that it's design wise and in manufacturing different but that's my first impression: "Oh look, a PPD, the Germans got a ton of those during Barbarossa..oh wait.." ;).
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Ppsh seemed a little more controllable. Cant really tell through the screen though
I like that Gun Jesus knows the name "Trigger Slap" for when the trigger bounces forward when the bolt slams rearward.
Fun times.
My closed bolt semi auto mac 10 clone has gnarly trigger slap. Hurts most with cold fingers. Needs a sprung disconnector like ar15.
A lot quieter than I was expecting.
Wouldn't holding it by the magazine cause misfeeds?
Inconsistent RoF.
Is is because of the gun or ammo?
M49 and 100 type Submachine Gun Oh~~~Yeah!
Where can I get one?
I like it.
PpSH...hell of a shotgun
u wot
How is possible that the other shooter in slow motion didn't move the weapon betwen shots?
trigger slap ...a burst reminder in full auto
what calibre is this gun ?
What you reckon the rpm is for that particular weapon?
All of them.
Югославский ппш. Интересно, патрон 9*19 или 7.62*25 ?
Not really sure why people are comparing this to the PPSH41... yes, aesthetically the two guns are similar, but in terms of design it is more like a Beretta Model 38. In that sense, the two guns are extremely different and pretty much polar opposites when it comes to the two schools of thought at the time as to what constituted a good SMG. On one hand, we have the heavy, machined, mid-low rate of fire, high stability and high quality Beretta. On the other, we have the cheap and quick to produce, relatively light, high rate of fire, get as many bullets downrange as quickly as possible at the expense of accuracy PPSH41. Which one is better? I really can't say... it often depends on the situation. I will say the PPSH definitely had a greater impact during WW2, and it was often used by the German and Finnish forces that were able to capture it. If I had to choose between the two in a battle to the death, I think I'd go for the Yugo as it has better accuracy and probably won't have the same feed issues as the PPSH. One last thing I should mention is that not all PPSH-41's are made the same, it also depends how well your specific gun was made because quality control back then was almost non-existent.
You can always tell who shoots a lot of bolt action battle rifles. They never wrap their thumb around the wrist of the stock. They always lay the thumb on the side of the stock. Avoid whacking your knuckle into your nose during recoil.
the first shoot seam to recoil lets them the subsequent round
Great, so it is a PPSh-41 only a bit more expensive to make and a bit less comfortable to shoot. Why not just make exact PPSh-41 clones?
Yugoslavia in that period went agents warsho pakt and SSSR and they nedeet guns after 1949 Yugoslavia whit get military aid from USA until the later in the 1960 whit Hruschof then Zastava whill start whit SKS and AK variants
My bet is they didn't have the technical capabilities to produce the complex stampings
Rage Against The Hygiene it's only a PPSh-41 in basic layout and magazine choice. Mechanically, it's a different gun more closely based on the Beretta submachine guns. It also has an easily removable barrel, which the PPSh-41 doesn't have. Your question of why not just build a straight clone is valid, but the Yugoslavians decided on this route for whatever reasons. They _may_ be documented somewhere, but I don't know if anyone has ever found any such documents.
I mean these would have a longer service life since the barrel could be changed
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Just out of curiosity, why did you make this an "Unlisted" video?
They are pre-uploaded for release on a specific date. This one must have got out early.
Wow
Could someone elaborate why it ejects to the left instead of to the right like almost every other righty weapon (assuming that it's actually a righty gun)? Have I missed some kind of explanation in any of these vids? Seems weird.
Because thats the side the ejection port is on. Some guns just have a reversed ejection port.
Well, that's what we know already. I'm simply asking why.
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I need some mag dumps Ian, this bursting is absolutely unsatisfying :(
Sticking with sticks
Pew pew pew!
@4:16
Jeez that trigger slap is pretty damn bad
ouch!
Yeah it is. My MPA 9 has it too but not that bad.
Whats with all the trees in the backgrou....oh wait its Canada...
That’s a nicer version I think looks better looks strong and the rate of fire could be dropped a little
Lahti and Shpagin made love, and had this child.
How am i seeing this
It looks more like a Suomi than a PPSH.
Love all the content you guys put out! But hey how about some more mud tests?....please
G19x- scar 17 or 16
M&P10- mp5 from dakota tactical
Or any gun that comes to mind lol