Great light, I find it feels like your going faster at night, it really is a cool sensation, also the trail you know so well in the daylight, can have some un-expected surprises riding it at night, feels like a completely new trail.
Honestly while watching your video the memories of night riding instantly kicked in. I've been riding my mountain bike at night for the past 3 years now and I haven't been on a night ride since July. I might just text a friend this upcoming weekend to hit some trails together, thanks for the inspiration Mctrails!!!! Keep up the good work, also I really love your videos, they're my type! ❤👍👍👍👍👍😄😁
It's definitely the right amount. I run a Magicshine "Ray 3000" out front and an "Alty 1500" on my helmet & find that I'm looking for more light on faster descents🤔 But what a thrill to ride in the dark! I find it more engaging as a tunnel of light with no distractions in you're peripheral vision centralises your focus on the trail and the central spot of light flattens out the terrain and defines the contours of the rocks, giving more confidence. Best ride for me, a Mountain, full moon, clear skies and no wind 😏
Sometimes it's not so much the power of the light that limits me, but it's that feeling that someone is following me, that you're not alone in the middle of the woods, which is why I don't prefer to go on night rides 😂
Yes. This. Especially in a trail centre where everyone is behind! In the woods in general you see lights all over and it’s ok. Doesn’t stop me riding though but toads on the trails freak me out.
Used magicshine for years now my original from 9years ago still going strong, their amazing lights, used to put my mates exposure's to shame at a fraction of price they paid
I’m going to pin your comment Simon, because people are saying two things about this light that I don’t feel are fair. What you’ve said helps back me up a bit. 1: they don’t think that the quality is good on Magicshine. 2: the price is too much This annoys me, as the quality is very good and the price when compared to their equivalent from competitors is excellent.
@@McTrailRider I think they are too expensive, but i'll try to explain why...... the price is too much for most people. I've ridden for years with two generic lights which cost £45 each, they've handled everything from the hardest Enduro stuff to way-out-there natural mountain stuff, some benefits...... 1) it's cheap, you don't need to spend a lot for a good light. 2)damaging or losing a light is not a problem, and this happens. 3) Night riding is good, but people don't do it that much in reality, money saved can be spent on other things :) 4) and this is a big one........my cheap setup has no cables......external batteries and leads are the biggest faff ever, and they let water in, no matter how waterproof they do this more that internal batteries. My lights run for four hours on high and six hours on normal, it's more than enough, especially when carrying some other emergency light. So, £500 for this......plus helmet lights, it's a lot of money. You will need this to last years and years and ride a lot to get any benefit from it. They are brighter than any other light though, but for most people it's not needed I don't think. Look, I understand for someone in the dark mountains for hours on end with no signal, a MTB guide etc etc, and for people who know they will be night riding regularly for year to come, they have benefits. But, for your average weekend warrior, they are too expensive. I guess, when you get given kit to basically make an advert you can't make theses points, but it should be balanced. If you want two hours around a trail centre every now and again, you don't need to spend £500.
Night riding is awesome,that’s why I love this time of year when riding to work .I go many miles out of my way to hit the local woods to get the miles in.I always feel I’m going way faster in the dark.Your lights are mega…always carry a backup…just in case it all goes dark & your left alone in the dark..🙀👻👻👻👻
you wont see any wildlife there've just been blinded by the light. Ive got the 6500 and thought that was bight till you got the 8000 and now th space station can see you Great video
Seen a few bits of wildlife on other rides, rabbits in the headlights😜 My mate has the 6500, and I think it’s great, but yeah, the 8000 and 1200 blow it out of the water!
You could of chosen a easier trail, but it really showcast the quality of the light, I would of thought it would be too powerful, but no ,the spread and lack of shadow , Impressive.👍
Fantastic light,but is it worth its price tag? You would really have to use it to get the value from it,i like it a lot,but think i will go for the helmet version at £130,as nearly £500 for the one you reviewed is way too much for me,very impressive though 👍
I've recently bought the magicshine RN 3000 well two of them one for the bars and one for the helmet so I'm running 6000lms and if that big boy is as good as them two then it's definitely worth the money and upgrade..
Yeah man! Night riding is so much fun! Especially on such a nice trail! That really is a lot of light! Personally I'd prefer it if they'd done something about the harsh cutoff on the spot. On all the slow to mid speed stuff there was a bit too much hot spot which reduces the benefit of the floods cos your eyes adjust to the bright patch and don't see too the sides well enough. A smoother transition in the beam would really make this a 10/10 light. Looked great on the fast sections though - so much throw!
The defined cut off is intentional, think it may be a new eu regulation for road use. I didn’t personally notice the transition overly between the two. Perhaps it can be adjusted in the app🤔
@McTrailRider Ah, ok, that would make sense. Ive heard of the vertical cut off laws but not width. That's good that it's less obvious in reality. I guess the camera picks things up pretty differently from eyes.
certainly impressive my only concern with that would be the size and weight. I have exposure bar (maxx D ) and head (Diablo) tourches and you barely know theyre there. with more battery than I need for a 3 hour night ride
I get what you’re saying, but I’d argue that the all in one Maxx D is actually more weight on the bars, where you would feel it. I have the Diablo too though, and it’s great 👍
Magicshine Mother F###teer 12,000 should have been its name, what a beast. Ive used magicshine for years and love em. It was great on the turns with the floodlight effect and surprisingly good when you were in the air.
Runtime would be my question on this light. I have a Magicshine RN3000 with a 10000mwh battery and they quote about 2.5hours on full. So how do they get 12000lm to run for 2.5 hours on the same capacity battery?
I had similar thoughts, and I’m not that knowledgeable on electrics. The actually capacity of this light is 144 watt hours, which is almost as much as an e-bike piggyback battery.
Me and a mate tried glentress one night with a camping head torch and cable tied hand held torch to the bars certainly wakes up the senses even though I don’t think we had any or ever had any 😂😂👍
That’s superb! Loving the proper handlebar mount, I’ve got cheap Cree lights from Amazon which are enough for me, but they just have the wee rubber straps and they can shift after a jump/drop - that looks much better. That battery’s a bifter tho! What weight is it? Looks about 5kgs 😂
I hope you do know that if I'd known you were going to be there doing a night video that I'd have jumped out at you dressed up in a Freddy Krueger costume. Lights yep amazing, I have the 8000s and I'm over the moon with them
Crazy brightness brilliant bits of kit. But for someone who is new to mountain biking and I did my bike up from a second hand bike i paid £15 for, as you can imagine I certainly can’t afford the prices of these. So for now I’ll stick to day time and using a cheap Nebo head torch for the dog walks lol
For an inexpensive combo, (under 100) Infun gt200 for Helmet (45-65) Novsight 1600 for bar (22ish) Nothing better till you get to the $250 and more range
What a great night video review of the MONTEER 12,000 light, new you would review it! Over kill or not it looks amazing . How did it feel whilst riding? Was there much resistance on the handlebars whilst turning? Did it feel heavy? I went for the 6500 last year and thought that was enough but seeing this upgrade has blown me away! 🤘
The 6500 is enough, but this is next level! I didn’t really feel the light out batteries effect whilst riding tbh. Stayed solid and hassle free, which is not what I expected.
Personally I'd find the sharp spot cutoff a bit distracting and go strong flood on the bike and beef up my headlamp to pick out features, but good to have options! Do you notice the weight at all?
The cut off is not something that I need or would use, but I can see I being useful for the road. I didn’t notice the weight at all. I mounted the battery fairly low down.
I haven’t used the six pack personally, but I did hear that the Monteer 8000 was brighter. The weight distribution seems better on the Monteer though, as the battery mounts onto the frame and not the bars.
Are there any lights that stay in line with the frame rather than your handlebars or head? I might be mistaken (or at least not in line with most people), but I feel like it's distracting when the light moves around a lot, which I feel like it does with head and handlebar mounted lights.
I’m not sure if there are, you’d have to mount to the head tube for that. Surely mounting to the head is perfect, as the light will look where you look every time.
@@McTrailRiderI would have thought head mounted would be perfect myself, but it seems that I find the moving of shadows quite distracting. It's annoying even when I'm doing simple work where I need both hands. Like I said - it's probably a me thing more than a general one.
@@MrMartinSchou I think the only real way to get around having shadows, is to simply provide more light. I’m not trying to sell anyone this light, but it may very well be your best option at eliminating shadows.
Okay, I know alot of lights advertise on thing but then doesn't live up to expectations. Does it really last 2.5 hours on full 12k lumins? Also, how long have you had this and does it still work? Sorry I'm asking many questions, but it is a hefty purchase.
Thermal overload protection will dial down the lumens significantly, and with the hot spot, it'll white out some trail detail vs something like a. Outbound trail Evo or Full on Lighting MB6
It didn’t budge one bit for me on this ride. I can’t speak to the longevity, but I don’t foresee any problems in the future. I think they sell the spares on their website, if anything was to fail or work its way loose.
400 dollars 😂😂😂😂 igot 2 rechargeable t6 torches that light the woods up .with batteries cost £13 attached to bike with innertube loop to the hangys..i will do a night ride an post it
I still dont think they have a superior beam pattern over some lights like outbound evo or infun GT200 and raveman xr6000.. They simply try and overcompensate max lumens for their lack of quality beam pattern 12000 lumens for how long though? 5 to 15 minutes before the thermal overload protection kicks in and dials it down to 3-4k lumens?
Have you used this light? I haven’t used the ones you mentioned, so couldn’t compare. I have heard good things about the Outbound lights though. The beam pattern is far superior to the Exposure Six Pack and the extra lumens are absolutely noticeable. I also haven’t experienced any reduction in power after prolonged use.
@@McTrailRider I borrowed one to get a beam shot in my usual trail spot i test lights. The outbound it nice, bit i personally think it coild use more lumens for a better perceived lighting. Wider a beam, dimmer it looks even though you see more usable area Theres still a fine balance between beam pattern and lumens And your eyes will adjust so you may not perceive that lumen loss, but it does happen...no way for something that small cased with that amount of lumens to stay cool and not drop off They program it to drop off so many lumens after so many minutes gradually At Least thats what the raveman xr6000 does. Start off at 6k..lowest itll go in high is 3k ish
Exposure are fantastic, and I’ve heard great things about them. You do pay the premium up front though and they don’t have the same value as Magicshine. The one light I bought with my own money a few years ago was the Exposure Diablo mk14.
@@McTrailRider I have the maxx d and diablo, bought them both this year on the Exposure outlet store half price so wasn't too expensive not with the quality of the light and how long they will last, and no massive battery back to lug around. You can't beat British and not Chinese stuff that only lasts a season or two if you are lucky.
@@philipb867 Exposure are great, Hope are great, there are many excellent British made things. However, China also make fantastic things, and of great quality. I hate the narrative that Chinese made is somehow not as good. I type this on an iPhone, made in China. Another example I would use is DJI, they are absolutely dominating with their drones and cameras right now. I have three of their products currently and the quality and reliability has been great. I do wish we made more good products in the uk though, I would prefer it if we were the manufacturing force of the world….. but we’re no where near.
Looks a very good light but the price is ridiculous for what you’re getting imo. Like a lot of the stuff in the bike industry just now they are getting carried away with pricing 👎🏽
It is a lot of money for sure, but it is quite possibly the best on the market right now. They obviously do have cheaper options that may very well be better suited for many.
@@McTrailRider Not doubting the quality and agree it looks to be one of the best out there. I just don’t get how the price for top tier lights have gotten so high! Would love to know the cost price of one I bet the profit margin is crazy!? I have a pair of lights I bought like 6+ years ago and have been great for night rides, which iirc I paid around £80 for the pair. Just really can’t see how anyone can justify £400-500 for a light? Perhaps if you used it everyday you could maybe then….
@@DeanSimons everything is crazy expensive these days for sure. These light are very expensive, but they are roughly 2-3 times the brightness and double the run time of the nearest competitor at full power, but at the same price or cheaper. I couldn’t justify the cost of these personally, but the 6500 at about £225, I could just about deal with.
Don't ever go on lupines site and find a 1200 light lol. But I do agree, I can count about 2 lights worth it on the 250-400 range...and this isn't one of them
Define “need”. I’d argue that your setup is more than what is needed. This light actually retails for £5 less, but has 3 times the power, and lasts significantly longer. To be fair though, I haven’t used the maxx-d.
They look amazing. But alot if money for the amount of night riding most people do. I'll buy them off you next year when you get the 15000 lumens to test😂😂
After a quick Google search, I’m not sure I agree with you on this one. Lux appears to be the measure of light onto a 1m squared surface. Lumens is a measure of total light emitted from a source. Mtb lights are trying to light spread the light as far as wide as possible, so their Lux rating would not be good, but the Lumens rating good.
@@McTrailRider I use 2 Nightrider 900 lumen bar mount lights. I can get up to 4 hrs. on low and, 3 hrs. on middle, and 1 1/2 hrs. on 900 full setting. That's w both lights on all the time. I can alternate use and extend the ride time dramatically. No bulky battery on the TT, no power cords, and they are low and out of the way in crashes. I rarely do more than a 2 hr. ride in the dark. Best, I bought them for $70 a piece on a Bikes Direct sale.
@@McTrailRider I could see an expensive lighting system if all you do is night ride or commute in the dark, but this seems boutique for most. Rather put the money into my bike.
The light looks great but is it really x better than the Amazon £25-£30 ones that everyone knows. Is it 20x better than the £20 standard Ebay classic 5,000 Lumen (which is really about 2,000. I don't think so.
Obviously you can get to certain level where you very much get diminishing returns, so picking very top level will give you a better argument for sure. If you went for rn 3000 lumen light at £130, I do feel that it is about 4-5times better than the Amazon version, especially in the long term.
@@McTrailRider yeah I think that’s where it wins. Build quality and reliability and longevity. I tend to use the Exposure Diablo for helmet and then pair with a Moon front light. I’ve also ridden with loads of the cheaper ones on eBay and Amazon and they honestly do a great job though disposable at end of the winter which isn’t ideal environmentally speaking
I did some night riding tonight, but with just one headlamp that is over 10 years old, and not very bright. My footage looks AWFUL. Honestly unusable for anything other than making fun of it.
I believe you are just perpetuating the lighting arms race. The max. light output isn't as important as the beam pattern. If you have 2 lights with the same beam pattern, once you exceed a min. brightness (1500-2500 lumens) all you are doing is just making the path brighter & even if you are trying to go faster, you won't. I believe 2 modest handlebar flood lights mounted as widely spaced as possible & a helmet spot are a better solution. These lights are just another "mine is bigger than yours" marketing hype.
I half agree with you on this one, but definitely not fully. I am lucky enough to have four different mountain bike lights, two headlights and two handlebar mounted ones. I have an 8000 and 12,000 lumen handlebar light. The 12,000 has better spread, albeit, with a different design. But the extra power does help at showing Trail details. I have an 1800 lumen exposure Diablo Mk14 and a Magicshine RN 2600 lumen headlights. The extra 800 lumens on the Magicshine is very noticeable and real word useful. Lumens isn’t everything, but it does make a difference. I would concede that there is diminishing returns above a certain level, but I would say it is nearer 6000 lumens and not 1500-2500. This is for me personally of course.
Beast of a light, 2,5hrs on full power enough in the dark. Smell that fresh air, love it!
I get it👍
Great light, I find it feels like your going faster at night, it really is a cool sensation, also the trail you know so well in the daylight, can have some un-expected surprises riding it at night, feels like a completely new trail.
Totally agree!
Night riding is such a different experience, a trail you know like the back of your hand in daylight is so different in the dark 👍🏻
Totally agree!
Great video !
Love a solo night ride great way to get some chill time 👍
Couldn't agree more!
Honestly while watching your video the memories of night riding instantly kicked in. I've been riding my mountain bike at night for the past 3 years now and I haven't been on a night ride since July. I might just text a friend this upcoming weekend to hit some trails together, thanks for the inspiration Mctrails!!!! Keep up the good work, also I really love your videos, they're my type! ❤👍👍👍👍👍😄😁
More than happy to hear this dude👍 Get back out there and enjoy the long evenings ✌️
It's definitely the right amount. I run a Magicshine "Ray 3000" out front and an "Alty 1500" on my helmet & find that I'm looking for more light on faster descents🤔
But what a thrill to ride in the dark! I find it more engaging as a tunnel of light with no distractions in you're peripheral vision centralises your focus on the trail and the central spot of light flattens out the terrain and defines the contours of the rocks, giving more confidence. Best ride for me, a Mountain, full moon, clear skies and no wind 😏
Ah, the tunnel of light is difficult for me, turns out I need the peripheral vision for balance😬
Your perfect evening sounds very similar to mine👌
try the 1500 on your handlebars and the 3000 on your helmet
Sometimes it's not so much the power of the light that limits me, but it's that feeling that someone is following me, that you're not alone in the middle of the woods, which is why I don't prefer to go on night rides 😂
Got followed by two coyotes the other night!
@@andrewlorimer5189Now you see I'd want to boop there snoots .😂
Oh there’s always someone behind you on a night ride, and they’re definitely out to get you 😜😂
Me too. I'm scared of the Bogeyman 😨😨😨
Yes. This. Especially in a trail centre where everyone is behind! In the woods in general you see lights all over and it’s ok. Doesn’t stop me riding though but toads on the trails freak me out.
Used magicshine for years now my original from 9years ago still going strong, their amazing lights, used to put my mates exposure's to shame at a fraction of price they paid
I’m going to pin your comment Simon, because people are saying two things about this light that I don’t feel are fair. What you’ve said helps back me up a bit.
1: they don’t think that the quality is good on Magicshine.
2: the price is too much
This annoys me, as the quality is very good and the price when compared to their equivalent from competitors is excellent.
@@McTrailRider I think they are too expensive, but i'll try to explain why...... the price is too much for most people. I've ridden for years with two generic lights which cost £45 each, they've handled everything from the hardest Enduro stuff to way-out-there natural mountain stuff, some benefits......
1) it's cheap, you don't need to spend a lot for a good light.
2)damaging or losing a light is not a problem, and this happens.
3) Night riding is good, but people don't do it that much in reality, money saved can be spent on other things :)
4) and this is a big one........my cheap setup has no cables......external batteries and leads are the biggest faff ever, and they let water in, no matter how waterproof they do this more that internal batteries. My lights run for four hours on high and six hours on normal, it's more than enough, especially when carrying some other emergency light.
So, £500 for this......plus helmet lights, it's a lot of money. You will need this to last years and years and ride a lot to get any benefit from it. They are brighter than any other light though, but for most people it's not needed I don't think. Look, I understand for someone in the dark mountains for hours on end with no signal, a MTB guide etc etc, and for people who know they will be night riding regularly for year to come, they have benefits. But, for your average weekend warrior, they are too expensive.
I guess, when you get given kit to basically make an advert you can't make theses points, but it should be balanced. If you want two hours around a trail centre every now and again, you don't need to spend £500.
At a fraction? A magicshine goes for 500 euros
Night riding is awesome,that’s why I love this time of year when riding to work .I go many miles out of my way to hit the local woods to get the miles in.I always feel I’m going way faster in the dark.Your lights are mega…always carry a backup…just in case it all goes dark & your left alone in the dark..🙀👻👻👻👻
Sounds like you make the most of winter time 👍
love night riding and these lights look amazing. Love lights with a long battery life especially for the Strathpuffer. Thank you Andrew
The Strathpuffer would be the ultimate challenge for these lights👌
@@McTrailRider definitely 👍. Glad you love them. They do look damn good
you wont see any wildlife there've just been blinded by the light. Ive got the 6500 and thought that was bight till you got the 8000 and now th space station can see you Great video
Seen a few bits of wildlife on other rides, rabbits in the headlights😜
My mate has the 6500, and I think it’s great, but yeah, the 8000 and 1200 blow it out of the water!
I’m more impressed with you doing that on yer own in the dark than how good that lights are! 😂
That’s money well spent if you’re going to ride all winter and plenty all nighters all year round! bargain! i love night riding 🙂👊🏻🤘🏻
A good investment for lessening the burden of winter 👍
Love night rides, it's totally different trails at night just great
Totally agree!
You could of chosen a easier trail, but it really showcast the quality of the light, I would of thought it would be too powerful, but no ,the spread and lack of shadow , Impressive.👍
I wanted to really test it out. Glad I did though, for the reasons you mentioned 👍
This video is perfectly timed, been having a look at grabbing some lights now the clocks have changed
I thought sunset on the first day of the clocks changing would a good time for this video 👍
I’m pretty sure if you turned that bar light on you’d have been able to see Loch Laggan!! I now know what I want for xmas
Haha, quite possibly.
Man alive that's insane!
It is👍
Fantastic light,but is it worth its price tag?
You would really have to use it to get the value from it,i like it a lot,but think i will go for the helmet version at £130,as nearly £500 for the one you reviewed is way too much for me,very impressive though 👍
I personally would go for the Monteer 6500, it’s a good balance of power vs price. Tamer trails would be fine with just the head torch though👍
I've recently bought the magicshine RN 3000 well two of them one for the bars and one for the helmet so I'm running 6000lms and if that big boy is as good as them two then it's definitely worth the money and upgrade..
I can’t say for sure, but I reckon it’ll be a good bit brighter than your setup.
I could see that thing from here!
😂 could replace a lighthouse.
Yeah man! Night riding is so much fun! Especially on such a nice trail! That really is a lot of light! Personally I'd prefer it if they'd done something about the harsh cutoff on the spot. On all the slow to mid speed stuff there was a bit too much hot spot which reduces the benefit of the floods cos your eyes adjust to the bright patch and don't see too the sides well enough. A smoother transition in the beam would really make this a 10/10 light. Looked great on the fast sections though - so much throw!
The defined cut off is intentional, think it may be a new eu regulation for road use. I didn’t personally notice the transition overly between the two.
Perhaps it can be adjusted in the app🤔
@McTrailRider Ah, ok, that would make sense. Ive heard of the vertical cut off laws but not width.
That's good that it's less obvious in reality. I guess the camera picks things up pretty differently from eyes.
Great stuff buddy 👍🚴
Thanks 👍
Holy hell that is an expensive light! I love night riding but this is next level!
It’s not cheap
certainly impressive
my only concern with that would be the size and weight.
I have exposure bar (maxx D ) and head (Diablo) tourches and you barely know theyre there. with more battery than I need for a 3 hour night ride
I get what you’re saying, but I’d argue that the all in one Maxx D is actually more weight on the bars, where you would feel it.
I have the Diablo too though, and it’s great 👍
Magicshine Mother F###teer 12,000 should have been its name, what a beast.
Ive used magicshine for years and love em. It was great on the turns with the floodlight effect and surprisingly good when you were in the air.
Haha, the non pc name😜
Good to hear from someone that has experience with the brand for a few years.
Laggan black is hard enough during the day! Got to watch out for those wolves at night!
Both true 😜
Runtime would be my question on this light. I have a Magicshine RN3000 with a 10000mwh battery and they quote about 2.5hours on full. So how do they get 12000lm to run for 2.5 hours on the same capacity battery?
I had similar thoughts, and I’m not that knowledgeable on electrics.
The actually capacity of this light is 144 watt hours, which is almost as much as an e-bike piggyback battery.
Me and a mate tried glentress one night with a camping head torch and cable tied hand held torch to the bars certainly wakes up the senses even though I don’t think we had any or ever had any 😂😂👍
Haha, that would be an interesting evening😬
Great light. I'd rather have overkill than not be able to see everything. Cool video bud.
Absolutely 👍
I have the 8000 monteer and alti 1500 , both good enough for trail riding, that looks incredible 👍
That’s a good setup 👍
@@McTrailRider in action recently th-cam.com/video/9BQMrEHxyiQ/w-d-xo.htmlsi=BqDnR2SReosWXpLt
Wow, I have the 6500s. I already feel it's incredibly bright. Imagine to use a light twice as bright in real.
It’s actually hard to imagine, but when you see it, it’s amazing.
That’s superb! Loving the proper handlebar mount, I’ve got cheap Cree lights from Amazon which are enough for me, but they just have the wee rubber straps and they can shift after a jump/drop - that looks much better. That battery’s a bifter tho! What weight is it? Looks about 5kgs 😂
I weighed it for you, 890grams, not bad👍
@@McTrailRider Awesome, thanks man
Nice ride! What go pro and settings are you use for rec this video? Wow, is amazing
I’m actually using a Dji Action 4 for this.
The important setting is iso 400.
I hope you do know that if I'd known you were going to be there doing a night video that I'd have jumped out at you dressed up in a Freddy Krueger costume.
Lights yep amazing, I have the 8000s and I'm over the moon with them
I fear nothing! You’d be eating your time😜
The 8000s is great 👍
Another great video, Andrew, thanks. What type of conditions does it for you to put gloves on?
No worries Steven. If the temperature starts with a -, I will maybe consider wearing gloves 😜
That's basically riding in the daytime but at night! Lol
Pretty much👍
Crazy brightness brilliant bits of kit. But for someone who is new to mountain biking and I did my bike up from a second hand bike i paid £15 for, as you can imagine I certainly can’t afford the prices of these. So for now I’ll stick to day time and using a cheap Nebo head torch for the dog walks lol
That’s some deal for your bike 👍
For an inexpensive combo, (under 100)
Infun gt200 for Helmet (45-65)
Novsight 1600 for bar (22ish)
Nothing better till you get to the $250 and more range
You should run it with the Monteer 8000 on your helmet.
If you did that would the Bluetooth control both at the same time?
That is a crazy, but great idea!!
I don’t think they what together of or remote unfortunately.
Looks good, really fancy one, but the price is hefty! You doing the Nevis Night Enduro next month? That would be a good test...
It is hefty, but also unrivalled imo.
I don’t plan on doing the event, but you never know.
Incredible Light indeed, but it's like £500 bucks man! That's a fresh cassette, chain, brake pads, rotors and tyres for the new year!
As with most things, it’s worth it if you can make use of it.
What a great night video review of the MONTEER 12,000 light, new you would review it! Over kill or not it looks amazing . How did it feel whilst riding? Was there much resistance on the handlebars whilst turning? Did it feel heavy? I went for the 6500 last year and thought that was enough but seeing this upgrade has blown me away! 🤘
The 6500 is enough, but this is next level!
I didn’t really feel the light out batteries effect whilst riding tbh. Stayed solid and hassle free, which is not what I expected.
@@McTrailRider- Thanks m8 it’s on my list 🙌
Sweet Jebus! It's nearly 500 QUID! That's a wee bit steep no?
You get what you pay for. Obviously there are cheaper options, but if you want the brightest, you pay for it.
Hey, Nice video and showcase. Is it possible to Connect to embt battery directly?
It with this particular light, but they do have one designed for plugging into your e-bike on their website I believe.
Personally I'd find the sharp spot cutoff a bit distracting and go strong flood on the bike and beef up my headlamp to pick out features, but good to have options!
Do you notice the weight at all?
The cut off is not something that I need or would use, but I can see I being useful for the road. I didn’t notice the weight at all. I mounted the battery fairly low down.
Looks incredible!! How does it compare to the exposure six pack?
I haven’t used the six pack personally, but I did hear that the Monteer 8000 was brighter. The weight distribution seems better on the Monteer though, as the battery mounts onto the frame and not the bars.
Are there any lights that stay in line with the frame rather than your handlebars or head?
I might be mistaken (or at least not in line with most people), but I feel like it's distracting when the light moves around a lot, which I feel like it does with head and handlebar mounted lights.
I’m not sure if there are, you’d have to mount to the head tube for that. Surely mounting to the head is perfect, as the light will look where you look every time.
@@McTrailRiderI would have thought head mounted would be perfect myself, but it seems that I find the moving of shadows quite distracting.
It's annoying even when I'm doing simple work where I need both hands.
Like I said - it's probably a me thing more than a general one.
@@MrMartinSchou I think the only real way to get around having shadows, is to simply provide more light.
I’m not trying to sell anyone this light, but it may very well be your best option at eliminating shadows.
@@McTrailRider You might actually be right. Maybe it's my stinginess that is biting me in my seemingly paranoid ass :)
Where can we buy it?
I’ve got links in the description. Or just type it into google.
You should test it out on the streets - cars will be loving you 😂
Haha, yeah that would go down well 😜
Although that ban cut off I showed at the start makes it one of the best options for the streets.
Awesome!!
Okay, I know alot of lights advertise on thing but then doesn't live up to expectations. Does it really last 2.5 hours on full 12k lumins? Also, how long have you had this and does it still work?
Sorry I'm asking many questions, but it is a hefty purchase.
Thermal overload protection will dial down the lumens significantly, and with the hot spot, it'll white out some trail detail vs something like a. Outbound trail Evo or Full on Lighting MB6
Night rides are mint I have the 6000 and thought that was bright 😬
Your light is still bright, just not this bright 😜
Did it remain secure and in your opinion will its securing nut which alters the 'throw' last the test of time (lots of black runs)?
It didn’t budge one bit for me on this ride. I can’t speak to the longevity, but I don’t foresee any problems in the future. I think they sell the spares on their website, if anything was to fail or work its way loose.
400 dollars 😂😂😂😂 igot 2 rechargeable t6 torches that light the woods up .with batteries cost £13 attached to bike with innertube loop to the hangys..i will do a night ride an post it
Would be interesting to compare those setups, I would hope my setup would at least be better.
@@McTrailRider i think it is better lol but if i stuck another 2 lights on mine id be closer
@@McTrailRider im out on a midnight mooch tonight ill tag u in the video i record
They wouldn't compare, 2 round beams vs an over powered big round beam.
Either way better options than both those. Beam pattern wise and price wise.
I actually make my own lights, it's much cheaper and I can customize stuff like lense type and modes.
Solid option if you know how 👍
I’ve got the 8000 lumen version. I find my remote sometimes moves a little when I press a button . How’d you get it locked down so it doesn’t move
I had that same issue. The new one has a rubber coating on the other side of the Velcro strap. It’s not a great design overall imo.
Cool it’s a great light and the remotes not a massive issue just hoped you had a tip for improving my set up. Cheers
Is it electric mate?
Were you on your own? .... Im too worried about crashing at night and nobody finding me til the next day!
I was indeed. I do know the route fairly well, but you never know when you will have an accident 😬
Just what I need another massive battery on my bike
As bright as that light was I was still struggling to see the bears and the yetis.
I would need lights that could shine across the Atlantic for that 😜
I still dont think they have a superior beam pattern over some lights like outbound evo or infun GT200 and raveman xr6000..
They simply try and overcompensate max lumens for their lack of quality beam pattern
12000 lumens for how long though? 5 to 15 minutes before the thermal overload protection kicks in and dials it down to 3-4k lumens?
Have you used this light?
I haven’t used the ones you mentioned, so couldn’t compare. I have heard good things about the Outbound lights though.
The beam pattern is far superior to the Exposure Six Pack and the extra lumens are absolutely noticeable. I also haven’t experienced any reduction in power after prolonged use.
@@McTrailRider I borrowed one to get a beam shot in my usual trail spot i test lights.
The outbound it nice, bit i personally think it coild use more lumens for a better perceived lighting.
Wider a beam, dimmer it looks even though you see more usable area
Theres still a fine balance between beam pattern and lumens
And your eyes will adjust so you may not perceive that lumen loss, but it does happen...no way for something that small cased with that amount of lumens to stay cool and not drop off
They program it to drop off so many lumens after so many minutes gradually
At Least thats what the raveman xr6000 does.
Start off at 6k..lowest itll go in high is 3k ish
Think I'l stick with exposure, British made and great back up service.
Exposure are fantastic, and I’ve heard great things about them. You do pay the premium up front though and they don’t have the same value as Magicshine.
The one light I bought with my own money a few years ago was the Exposure Diablo mk14.
@@McTrailRider I have the maxx d and diablo, bought them both this year on the Exposure outlet store half price so wasn't too expensive not with the quality of the light and how long they will last, and no massive battery back to lug around. You can't beat British and not Chinese stuff that only lasts a season or two if you are lucky.
@@philipb867 Exposure are great, Hope are great, there are many excellent British made things.
However, China also make fantastic things, and of great quality.
I hate the narrative that Chinese made is somehow not as good. I type this on an iPhone, made in China. Another example I would use is DJI, they are absolutely dominating with their drones and cameras right now. I have three of their products currently and the quality and reliability has been great.
I do wish we made more good products in the uk though, I would prefer it if we were the manufacturing force of the world….. but we’re no where near.
We do need to support British companys especially when their products are superior@@McTrailRider
@@philipb867 definitively not superior though. Maybe in status.
Which country do you live in??
Looks a very good light but the price is ridiculous for what you’re getting imo. Like a lot of the stuff in the bike industry just now they are getting carried away with pricing 👎🏽
It is a lot of money for sure, but it is quite possibly the best on the market right now. They obviously do have cheaper options that may very well be better suited for many.
@@McTrailRider Not doubting the quality and agree it looks to be one of the best out there. I just don’t get how the price for top tier lights have gotten so high! Would love to know the cost price of one I bet the profit margin is crazy!? I have a pair of lights I bought like 6+ years ago and have been great for night rides, which iirc I paid around £80 for the pair. Just really can’t see how anyone can justify £400-500 for a light? Perhaps if you used it everyday you could maybe then….
@@DeanSimons everything is crazy expensive these days for sure.
These light are very expensive, but they are roughly 2-3 times the brightness and double the run time of the nearest competitor at full power, but at the same price or cheaper.
I couldn’t justify the cost of these personally, but the 6500 at about £225, I could just about deal with.
Don't ever go on lupines site and find a 1200 light lol.
But I do agree, I can count about 2 lights worth it on the 250-400 range...and this isn't one of them
Massive overkill all you need is a maxx-D on your bars and a helmet light 🤟
Define “need”. I’d argue that your setup is more than what is needed.
This light actually retails for £5 less, but has 3 times the power, and lasts significantly longer.
To be fair though, I haven’t used the maxx-d.
I have 2 helmet lights 6000lms. the other 9000lms. Togeather (15000lms) too much light creates a whitewash and you don't see the 3D in the bumps.
Maybe it comes down to more than just lumens in that case. My setup here was 14600 lumens, and I didn’t have a whitewash issue.
Do you have issues with the channel again mate? Your SUBS don't appear correct?
Not that I’m aware of. What are you seeing?
@@McTrailRider showing 46.2k subs on my screen mate
@@Mark_Page_MTB that’s correct 👍
yeah sorry mate. I now realise my school boy error. Sorry for the alarm bells
@@Mark_Page_MTB no worries Mark, nice to know you’re looking out for me 👍
The price is one of the reasons I haven't bought a light and cycle during the night
There are some more affordable options out there.
Makes my MaxxD look ‘weak’ 🤣
Makes most lights look weak to be fair
They look amazing. But alot if money for the amount of night riding most people do.
I'll buy them off you next year when you get the 15000 lumens to test😂😂
Very true, it’s not for everyone.
That’s good forward thinking on your part 😉👍
No gloves = One True Scotsman. :)
💪💪😜
Lumens is fuel consumption, Lux is power output. Lumens just equals battery draw and theoretical power output including wasted power in the circuitry
After a quick Google search, I’m not sure I agree with you on this one.
Lux appears to be the measure of light onto a 1m squared surface.
Lumens is a measure of total light emitted from a source.
Mtb lights are trying to light spread the light as far as wide as possible, so their Lux rating would not be good, but the Lumens rating good.
$500 is incredible.
Incredibly expensive, but the cost per lumen is very good.
@@McTrailRider I use 2 Nightrider 900 lumen bar mount lights. I can get up to 4 hrs. on low and, 3 hrs. on middle, and 1 1/2 hrs. on 900 full setting. That's w both lights on all the time. I can alternate use and extend the ride time dramatically. No bulky battery on the TT, no power cords, and they are low and out of the way in crashes. I rarely do more than a 2 hr. ride in the dark. Best, I bought them for $70 a piece on a Bikes Direct sale.
@@petedog9581 sounds like you’ve got a good setup for your needs 👍
@@McTrailRider I could see an expensive lighting system if all you do is night ride or commute in the dark, but this seems boutique for most. Rather put the money into my bike.
@@petedog9581 absolutely, it’s a niche product, but I’m glad it’s an option for those you can utilise it👍
Absolutely brilliant, but at £480 it's a stretch.
A lot of money unless you can make full use of it.
Must be a Monteer
Haha, indeed 👍
Amazing light! But 490£! I don't think I can afford it.....
It is a lot of money.
I'm always afraid of mt. Lions or bears
Thankfully no wildlife that can kill you in Scotland 👍
The light looks great but is it really x better than the Amazon £25-£30 ones that everyone knows. Is it 20x better than the £20 standard Ebay classic 5,000 Lumen (which is really about 2,000. I don't think so.
Obviously you can get to certain level where you very much get diminishing returns, so picking very top level will give you a better argument for sure.
If you went for rn 3000 lumen light at £130, I do feel that it is about 4-5times better than the Amazon version, especially in the long term.
@@McTrailRider yeah I think that’s where it wins. Build quality and reliability and longevity. I tend to use the Exposure Diablo for helmet and then pair with a Moon front light. I’ve also ridden with loads of the cheaper ones on eBay and Amazon and they honestly do a great job though disposable at end of the winter which isn’t ideal environmentally speaking
Its not the perfect beam pattern,,but its a night and day difference that it's better than just about everything Amazon and ebay
Get some bloody gloves on, lol!
Never!😜
I did some night riding tonight, but with just one headlamp that is over 10 years old, and not very bright. My footage looks AWFUL. Honestly unusable for anything other than making fun of it.
GoPro’s need a huge amount of light to work well at night. Even my video didn’t show just how good the light spread is.
I believe you are just perpetuating the lighting arms race. The max. light output isn't as important as the beam pattern. If you have 2 lights with the same beam pattern, once you exceed a min. brightness (1500-2500 lumens) all you are doing is just making the path brighter & even if you are trying to go faster, you won't.
I believe 2 modest handlebar flood lights mounted as widely spaced as possible & a helmet spot are a better solution. These lights are just another "mine is bigger than yours" marketing hype.
I half agree with you on this one, but definitely not fully.
I am lucky enough to have four different mountain bike lights, two headlights and two handlebar mounted ones.
I have an 8000 and 12,000 lumen handlebar light. The 12,000 has better spread, albeit, with a different design. But the extra power does help at showing Trail details.
I have an 1800 lumen exposure Diablo Mk14 and a Magicshine RN 2600 lumen headlights. The extra 800 lumens on the Magicshine is very noticeable and real word useful.
Lumens isn’t everything, but it does make a difference.
I would concede that there is diminishing returns above a certain level, but I would say it is nearer 6000 lumens and not 1500-2500. This is for me personally of course.
For the same price you could install 30 cheaper handlebar lights o0
Don’t forget to factor in the price of some 900mm wide handlebars too 😜
@@McTrailRider any additional that dont fit can be attached to arms adding additional peripheral illumination (Y)
i just cant get over £500 for a light
You don’t need to get over it, just don’t buy it👍
I’d be cautious changing through the different light modes in the car park. People might get the wrong impression 😂
😂😂
500 quid for lights 😅
Could spend it on worse things tbh
lol £489.99
Cost per lumen is actually really good compared to the alternatives. Can’t say it’s cheap though.
£489.99….
That is the price😜
£500 lol
It’s not cheap