The frontal lobe controls behaviour aspects like managing inhibition and complex decision making, expressing emotions and abstract thinking judgement, development of the frontal lobe is not just genetics from birth, but also impacted by epigenetic influences like your environment. That part of the brain moderates your ability to control and manage those decisions. Getting bonked on the head and losing front lobe function may or may not be predetermined, however your genetics don't directly influence your ability to make these executive functions in this case. The brain is an electrochemical machine, and emergent complex behaviour results from the circuitry within, and when it comes to the frontal lobe our history and tendencies help inform how we react to situations that prompt activity in this part of the brain. Having control over your actions in this case is not synonymous with a "pixie dust" interpretation or hand waving of a free will phenomenon. Also, in regards to "having control" or your actions being "your fault", a certain ethical outlook can inform you that no matter whether you are at fault, or have control over your actions, you are still responsible for your actions. To say the outcomes of your life are mainly based on pre-determinism and luck does not necessitate that you are also not responsible for the luck and decisions in your own life.
i think its pretty insane to think about the fact that such a "small" and niche topic like the "BeltonPOE Drama" has such a deeper and more phsychological meaning to it then just: "he did something bad and now people are mad". love the deep dive of the topic btw!
guys guys...the release of this video was predetermined by the absence of Nex's free will. Jokes aside, if we agree that free will doesn't exist then doesn't that also mean that our "choice" to condemn another person's actions based on our collective ethical standards is also "predetermined"? if we decide to not condemn that person then that agency is based on...what exactly? Maybe the idea of free will if you want to break it down to the biology of our brains is something that we have a "capacity" for rather than a "trait". This all does seem like an argument over definitions tbh but interesting to think about and enjoyed the vid!
Ha wow, another hall of fame comment, thank you! Glad you liked it. But, i dunno, we'll see about the 100 times growth since this is my first video ever where my sub count is already at a net loss (as predicted) XD XD. But its all good ima keep staying the course and we'll see what happens! cheers
Isn't the logical conclusion of all of this culling all the bad behaviours as we are just state machines? Death penalty for being sad. So we have more happy people. Reality is that whatever is the reality the feeling is of free will. So free will and value of life has to be evaluated as such
I understand your point of view and respect your opinions but can’t completely agree. Personal opinion, things lie about somewhere in the middle. Free will does exist as it’s the only thing that made you create this video, you were not forced, coerced or mandated to make this video but you still did ( unless you were ). Reason I’m staying in the middle of the two opinions, I believe even under different circumstances you or another person would have made the same or a similar video regardless of you, your choices and experiences, including upbringing and different external sources. To sum it up, your free will led you to creating this video, but had you not someone else would have done so regardless. Very nice video, really enjoyed it.
Glad you enjoyed it and thanks for the comment. I recently saw in another free will youtube vid's comments someone mention 'freedom from coercion' vs 'freedom from causation' which i think is a perfect way to summarize some of this IMO. In fact if i could go back i would probably add that line to this video. To me you are basically saying your view of the freedom in free will is freedom from coercion (you even used that specific word) but for me i take more of the freedom from causation view (which is also what robert sapolsky does). I could write another two pages but for ill just leave it at this and return to this topic again in the future im sure ;) hope to see you around. cheers
That’s a nonsensical paragraph. I don’t understand you people who feel the need to leave some wiggle room for free will. The idea of free will is ridiculous both logically and evidentially. Simply claiming that it must exist and defining action as free willed doesn’t make it so. You must prove that the idea of a free will is even possible, which you can’t.
@@bogusshmogus1670 Asking for proof on an ideology is akin to trying to solve the trolley problem. It simply differs from person to person and each individual will cling to the one that comforts them or helps them express their way of thinking. In the same way I cannot prove free will exist you cannot disprove it .The closest thing I can give you is, again, your desire to comment on the situation. It's your ideals, situations and experiences that led you to reply, but the literal action was your decision. You chose to reply, your decision, your will.
@ the question of free will isn’t an “ideology” it’s a logical problem. You can certainly disprove free will by the standards of logic that currently exist. What you cannot do by any standard is prove it. The idea of free will itself is nonsensical akin to a square circle. For all that humans understand currently about existence free will as it is usually defined is impossible. If you think otherwise you are suffering from a deficiency in logical thinking and nothing more. Your retort is the common one, and I’m not sure what compels people like you to make it. It isn’t a certainty of principles or axioms, it is simply an assertion that either what you believe is true or at the very least cannot be proven untrue, both of which are wrong.
Ya i think its gonna end up being pretty much what victor said in his reply. Prolly folks will have to just argue that it stays as a way to deter choices/behaviors that the general population find undesirable. Later in the video I kinda talk about it also as a kind of like 'quarantine model' type thing (tornados and covid have no free will/choice yet we still put in measures to eradicate or quarantine or lessen their impact etc etc)
@@anuj61111 there are choices, and choices are made with the environment as an input. That's why you can teach a dog stuff with positive/negative conditionning, same thing with humans. If you see someone get punished for a behaviour, you'll learn that you should avoid this behaviour. Taught behaviours does not require free will.
@UnknowwnnHero so what forced one to make the video....to prove there is no free will, that took free will to choose to think, and regardless of what anyone else states that is what one will think.. Sounds like free will to me.
@@UnknowwnnHero comprehend ones response is based in a perception that can not compute higher levels of thinking. in your current state one thinks I do not have free will because I can not will myself to become anything. Also comprehend the only moments I think are when one chooses to have the little voice in ones head speak, if that is not happening there is no requirement for one to think when one Knows. Lastly I could of easily used free will to never respond to you in the first place and I will show you how strong free will is. Regardless of what you may respond with I will not be responding further, as one finds it is a waste of my space to attempt to convince one that is choosing to stay stuck in your "belief structures"(lies)
The frontal lobe controls behaviour aspects like managing inhibition and complex decision making, expressing emotions and abstract thinking judgement, development of the frontal lobe is not just genetics from birth, but also impacted by epigenetic influences like your environment.
That part of the brain moderates your ability to control and manage those decisions.
Getting bonked on the head and losing front lobe function may or may not be predetermined, however your genetics don't directly influence your ability to make these executive functions in this case.
The brain is an electrochemical machine, and emergent complex behaviour results from the circuitry within, and when it comes to the frontal lobe our history and tendencies help inform how we react to situations that prompt activity in this part of the brain.
Having control over your actions in this case is not synonymous with a "pixie dust" interpretation or hand waving of a free will phenomenon.
Also, in regards to "having control" or your actions being "your fault", a certain ethical outlook can inform you that no matter whether you are at fault, or have control over your actions, you are still responsible for your actions.
To say the outcomes of your life are mainly based on pre-determinism and luck does not necessitate that you are also not responsible for the luck and decisions in your own life.
Good video, great content man! Keep at it!
Thank you Im glad you liked it!
Watched the whole thing, Keep making content like this
i think its pretty insane to think about the fact that such a "small" and niche topic like the "BeltonPOE Drama" has such a deeper and more phsychological meaning to it then just: "he did something bad and now people are mad". love the deep dive of the topic btw!
guys guys...the release of this video was predetermined by the absence of Nex's free will.
Jokes aside, if we agree that free will doesn't exist then doesn't that also mean that our "choice" to condemn another person's actions based on our collective ethical standards is also "predetermined"? if we decide to not condemn that person then that agency is based on...what exactly?
Maybe the idea of free will if you want to break it down to the biology of our brains is something that we have a "capacity" for rather than a "trait". This all does seem like an argument over definitions tbh but interesting to think about and enjoyed the vid!
You have 800ish subscribers one of which is me. Time will grow that number by 100x if you keep doing what you are doing. THANK YOU!
Ha wow, another hall of fame comment, thank you! Glad you liked it. But, i dunno, we'll see about the 100 times growth since this is my first video ever where my sub count is already at a net loss (as predicted) XD XD. But its all good ima keep staying the course and we'll see what happens! cheers
Isn't the logical conclusion of all of this culling all the bad behaviours as we are just state machines? Death penalty for being sad. So we have more happy people. Reality is that whatever is the reality the feeling is of free will. So free will and value of life has to be evaluated as such
I understand your point of view and respect your opinions but can’t completely agree. Personal opinion, things lie about somewhere in the middle. Free will does exist as it’s the only thing that made you create this video, you were not forced, coerced or mandated to make this video but you still did ( unless you were ). Reason I’m staying in the middle of the two opinions, I believe even under different circumstances you or another person would have made the same or a similar video regardless of you, your choices and experiences, including upbringing and different external sources. To sum it up, your free will led you to creating this video, but had you not someone else would have done so regardless. Very nice video, really enjoyed it.
Glad you enjoyed it and thanks for the comment. I recently saw in another free will youtube vid's comments someone mention 'freedom from coercion' vs 'freedom from causation' which i think is a perfect way to summarize some of this IMO. In fact if i could go back i would probably add that line to this video. To me you are basically saying your view of the freedom in free will is freedom from coercion (you even used that specific word) but for me i take more of the freedom from causation view (which is also what robert sapolsky does). I could write another two pages but for ill just leave it at this and return to this topic again in the future im sure ;) hope to see you around. cheers
That’s a nonsensical paragraph. I don’t understand you people who feel the need to leave some wiggle room for free will. The idea of free will is ridiculous both logically and evidentially. Simply claiming that it must exist and defining action as free willed doesn’t make it so. You must prove that the idea of a free will is even possible, which you can’t.
@@bogusshmogus1670 Asking for proof on an ideology is akin to trying to solve the trolley problem. It simply differs from person to person and each individual will cling to the one that comforts them or helps them express their way of thinking. In the same way I cannot prove free will exist you cannot disprove it .The closest thing I can give you is, again, your desire to comment on the situation. It's your ideals, situations and experiences that led you to reply, but the literal action was your decision. You chose to reply, your decision, your will.
@ the question of free will isn’t an “ideology” it’s a logical problem. You can certainly disprove free will by the standards of logic that currently exist. What you cannot do by any standard is prove it. The idea of free will itself is nonsensical akin to a square circle. For all that humans understand currently about existence free will as it is usually defined is impossible. If you think otherwise you are suffering from a deficiency in logical thinking and nothing more. Your retort is the common one, and I’m not sure what compels people like you to make it. It isn’t a certainty of principles or axioms, it is simply an assertion that either what you believe is true or at the very least cannot be proven untrue, both of which are wrong.
So are you saying a person who murdered another person had no free will.... Then is the justice system not needed ? 🤔
Free will does not exist but the justice system should still exist, not to punish bad choice but to add an incentive to not do bad choices
Ya i think its gonna end up being pretty much what victor said in his reply. Prolly folks will have to just argue that it stays as a way to deter choices/behaviors that the general population find undesirable. Later in the video I kinda talk about it also as a kind of like 'quarantine model' type thing (tornados and covid have no free will/choice yet we still put in measures to eradicate or quarantine or lessen their impact etc etc)
@@Victor-m2t7b But there is no free will. there is no choice. you are doing everything according to historic things and genes...
@@anuj61111 there are choices, and choices are made with the environment as an input. That's why you can teach a dog stuff with positive/negative conditionning, same thing with humans. If you see someone get punished for a behaviour, you'll learn that you should avoid this behaviour. Taught behaviours does not require free will.
@@Victor-m2t7b How is choice diff from free will ?
If there is no free will. why did one choose to make this video?
That’s not what free will means.
@UnknowwnnHero so what forced one to make the video....to prove there is no free will, that took free will to choose to think, and regardless of what anyone else states that is what one will think.. Sounds like free will to me.
@RequiemsEndDreams can you Will yourself to think and become anything no matter how mundane? Try that and let me know how free you felt
@@UnknowwnnHero comprehend ones response is based in a perception that can not compute higher levels of thinking. in your current state one thinks I do not have free will because I can not will myself to become anything.
Also comprehend the only moments I think are when one chooses to have the little voice in ones head speak, if that is not happening there is no requirement for one to think when one Knows.
Lastly I could of easily used free will to never respond to you in the first place and I will show you how strong free will is.
Regardless of what you may respond with I will not be responding further, as one finds it is a waste of my space to attempt to convince one that is choosing to stay stuck in your "belief structures"(lies)
You need to grow out of this nonsense. You can at best argue on definitions, not things that actually matter.