Why Thanos Changed - Wisecrack Edition
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Isn't it funny that the only person who came CLOSE to defeating Thanos in the movie was Thor who, following a sense of honour and revenge, strategized with a team to locate and create the only weapon that could stop Thanos -AKA- he used BOTH Romanticism and Rationalism! That fact that even this failed shows a new perspective will be needed to defeat Thanos.
It's interesting too that Thor struck at Thanos' heart (a poetic action) with the weapon - and Thanos corrected him by saying 'You should have gone for the head,' proving Thanos' rationalistic mindset.
Agreed. Thor wanted to keep him alive long enough so that he knew what he was dying for but that was a mistake.
Heh, wow it really is all the little details that mean the most. Great observation.
Nice read!
Overanalysis
And all this time I thought he meant the Hand... :d
Thank you, human. Your video is very special.
I hope that they'll remember you.
Did you really kill Gamora?
No, i kill the DC Universe
I'm sorry little juan
Thanos Batman has already created a plan for your shtick
batman is a rationalist.. like ironman.. he WILL fail!
I actually like both versions of Thanos. Theyre both still very motivated by emotions and philosophy. The Comic Thanos would do anything for love cuz that is his goal while Movie Thanos is willing to sacrifice his love to achieve his goals
I think that's the key word. Motivation. He might be messed up in the head in both versions, but at least his goals are clear and he's willing to do anything to anchieve them.
666melodeath666 but comic book Thanos was selfish with all his actions, movie Thanos is portraied as a benevolent being making a hard decision to save the universe (for about 50 until population is back to previous levels)
clydefrosch
But he isn't benevolent, he disintegrated half of the universe populatition for rationality's sake.
666melodeath666 With the power he had at his disposal there were so many things he could have done to alleviate the problem as he perceived it, that really it just comes down to Thanos wanting to kill half the people of the universe cause he was crazy. Kinda boring and shallow when you think about it.
Darth Ruin
The deaths were not pointless because it deeply affects the world and characters of the MCU. It's whats going to most likely drive A4, and the Avengers are probably at their lowest point, especially Steve and Tony. Yes Spidey will be brought back but im sure it'll take a few lives (permenantly) to do so.
Thanos DESTROYS the Universe with FACTS and LOGIC lol
And here I was thinking that the reason was simply because a character wanting to bang the anthropomorphic personification of Death (who hasn't even made a proper Cinematic appearance yet) would be too esoteric for mainstream audiences. Silly me.
Kinda like introducing Mother Boxes into your superhero team-up movie right after you've just introduced your main superheroes?
I know, right? Pfft, that would be RIDICULOUS.
Seriously though, I thought that Hela would be taking Mistress Death's place (or, at the very least, be the humanoid mortal incarnation of Mistress Death) as Thanos' love interest. Obviously that theory was Jossed as soon as Hela was killed off in Ragnarok. As it is, we've only ever seen the four cosmic entities on a mural on a wall in GOTG and the existence of Eternity was alluded to in GOTG vol 2, but none of the entities have made a metaphysical appearance yet.
don't forget living tribunal in dr strange
Agreed. I'm not sure if Hela = Death would've been a workable solution to introducing Mistress Death, in fact, I think having her in Ragnarok probably made the studio say that her appearance in the movies would confuse moviegoers.
Granted, if Hela WAS the incarnation of Death that Thanos could have fallen in love with in the MCU, I wouldn't blame him.
Cate Blanchett was ROCKING that catsuit in Thor: Ragnarok.
Couldn't you say it's actually much simpler? That the original Thanos reflected the fear of total annihilation at the hands of nuclear weapons, whilst the new one reflects our fear of being ravaged by dwindling resources and global warming?
Liquidus118 Never thought of that. Very fair insight
Liquidus118 old thanos thought nuculsr weapons would kill us all?
Just more political obsession, just like everything these days.
He did nuke his whole home planet.
Personally, there is some form of messiah complex that Movie Thanos has that heavily influences his actions. He is a rationalist birthed from his own experience on Titan, where his people fought to the brink of extinction on his planet and that shaped his view on the world: resources are limited, thus the demand should be less to prevent fighting.
Hell, he even expresses this complex several times, citing that people on the planets he's visited are happier because of the resource abundance they now have. And he mentions that the people he kills are randomly chosen to avoid discrimination/income gap/etc, seeing himself as the hero in his own story, which is excellent story-telling.
I'd argue that Steve didn't want to beat Thanos up with an army specifically. Instead Steve believes in the strength of the human spirit. He believes in people. The people of Wakanda, the Avengers, the people of Earth. That's why he doesn't want to give up Vision, despite that being the logical choice, he believes that people together can come up with another way and that through hard work and cleverness that humans can accomplish anything.
LupineShadowOmega
That's why he fails. A huge theme of the movie is sacrifice, and Steve is unwilling to sacrifice anything. No one in the movie is willing to make the sacrifices they know they must without hesitation except for Thanos. He willing sacrifices the most of any character in the entire MCU and so is the only one who succeeds fully in his aims. It's almost biblical theming.
Ezeckel Reichert, except he has no choice and they sacrifice Vision anyway, only to have said sacrifice be utterly meaningless. I'm not saying he was right, because theoretically if they'd done the sacrifice earlier...maybe Thanos wouldn't have been able to reverse it. Maybe?
But Thanos isn't *just* about sacrifices, he's also just a walking character arc slayer. Thor finds out that people are what matter and Thanos kills his people. Star Lord learns to let go of the people he loves and Thanos turns his sacrifice into a joke. Tony wants Pepper back and would do anything to see that happen, Thanos literally pulls them apart and Tony just might never see her again. T'Challa decides to be a better and more worthy king, Wakanda has no king. Basically the list just goes on.
that kid from Brooklyn who was too stubborn to run away from a fight, I'm following him, till the end of the line
LupineShadowOmega or he is willing to sacrifice a bunch of black people instead of a British robot
And what's a group of people coming together to fight? Oh right, an army 😂
You should do another video explaining why they changed him back into a cliché, one-dimensional villain for Endgame.
Spoiler alert to how infinity war 2 ends:
Disney buys the Marvel rights back from Fox so they get DeadPool. DeadPool uses Cabel’s time travel device to go before the first Infinity war, and steals the Gauntlet (comic book Canon), replacing it with the fake one on Asgard. So Thanos is stuck wondering why his gauntlet isn’t working while DeadPool is collecting the Infinity stones for DeadPool3 shenanigans.
what the hell is this shit.
Yes
Ugh
I'd watch that movie.
Deadpool having fun with the infinity gauntlet for two hours?
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I thought this video was going to be about how Thanos changed within the MCU. Because in all preceding movies he has this evil grin on his face and looks like a typical "I enjoy being evil!" type of villain but that was ret-conned in IW with him being outwardly cold but inwardly sad. I have to say I like IWs more nuanced take.
i think thats pretty much all there is to that. Marvel probably didn't have a specific take for the character yet so they made him into a big bad type till they had something concrete. a little annoying when you go back and watch him and see some inconsistencies but it worked out in the end.
What inconsistencies? He didn't do anything that different before IW.
Vibranium Shield there’s zero mention of him destroying half of Drax’s people whom died as a result of his orders. The way he speaks makes him come across more like a big bad conqueror type rather than the more solemn and introspective version we see in infinity war. It’s nowhere near a big deal though since these are fairly minor details that can easily be overlooked
Julian Laborde it all worked out in the end so it’s all good. And yeah, I like how marvel stays true to what makes the characters and their stories good but not adapting them verbatim. It creates new good material while paying respects to its source material
I like to think that before IW we see him like how everyone else in the universe sees him as a evil conquerer. But in IW, we’re shown his actions from his perspective
thanos just signed to golden state warriors for the last two infinity stones
Damn you and your user picture.
I thought your picture was an eyelash on my screen
Stop following me, weirdo.
Sorry to say this but LeBron signed with the Lakers
You should make your profile picture hair smaller so its more believeable
I still prefer the comic version of Thanos, but i appreciate your insight. Perhaps it’s too simplistic of me, but my initial reaction to movie Thanos was “you’re wearing the ‘literally-do-anything’ glove, and your best idea is ‘kill everyone’? That’s so stupid.” But perhaps that’s the point; as a larger social commentary, it’s so much easier to fall into a larger pre-existing camp and ignore its flaws than to explore nuance and find alternatives to bad options. A neat take on things
indeed a astute comparison notice how things today are? buy a game wait for a review the game is either great or garbage no in between,support a president for instance and you are idiot with no positive position,watch netflix?thumbs up or thumps down... people these days dont have a "medium" setting its either good or bad,all in or nothing
Ronie Carlos Araujo
Hell, the US has a two party system and an "either with us or against us" attitude. This feels highly unsustainable.
It doesn't help that the movie never explains how he came to that conclusion of killing half of the population. People on his planet mocked him, as they should, it doesn't make much sense, but then they all died so he was right and we don't need any other explanation? Oh yes, he's a psychopath, the easiest solution to a character doing something that doesn't make sense. Eh. Also comicbook Thanos has a good backstory.
In a conversation with Gamora he mentions the worlds he genocided being better, happier places after his intervention, which would reinforce his conclusion.
Because Overpopulation ensued War and Famine and drove his home planet into a spiral of it's own self destruction. Thanos makes perfect sense to me and tbh If I had a snap glove best bet I'd snap in a heart beat. The Infinity Gauntlets power is limited in that It cannot create something from which there was nothing, he can't make a planet appear out of nothing he isn't a god. Making more just perpetuates the issue because the more you make the more you consume in an endless cycle and if anything he is simply delaying the Inevitable for the better because he at least understands everything has an end including life so why not just give the universe a good snap.
Man I really love this episode! Not because I’m a Thanos fan, but because how you guys produced it. The writing very on point and clear without losing track. Very smart with those comparisons between the Avengers story to the those of classic literature. Good job 👍
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Oh hi Mark
Wow, your editor REALLY likes that little chime sound effect.
4D4plus4is4D8 I don't know if I can watch these videos anymore. All I notice is chimes now
The same thing happened to me - once I noticed it, it was all I could hear
Thanos is always right
AlternateHistoryHub
YES
YES INDEED.
Wild
Alternate history if Thanos was wrong
Not if Doom says otherwise
OMG HIIIII IM A HUGE FAN
The movie displays the showdown between fanatic individualism (the ego of Thor / "we don't trade lives" - The Vision) vs. fanatic utilitarianism (fueled by the trauma of thanos - he lost all of his people because he didn't go all the way in his past). I love the movie because it teaches these very hidden messages: Go for the middle way / try to think outside your current ideology.
I went to one of the Russo brothers interviews and they talked about having giving thanos a more personal relationship to the marvel characters. They said instead of death they used gamora instead to drive him to connect him more with the established universe. But I like your analysis way more and I want to believe that's the intention.
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The thing that's funny to me about this is that neuroscience has demonstrated very clearly that pure rationalism is impossible. The ability to process emotion is absolutely vital to making decisions. I would argue that this is because decisions cannot be made without values, and values are simply an expression of our emotional attachment to things or concepts. Thanos clearly has some level of emotional attachment to Gamora, so he must *value* the greater goal of balancing the universe more than her individual life. He believes he is acting for the greater good.
And this is where I think there is a good reason that Thanos most clearly embodies the pessimism of Thomas Malthus - a Romanticist, mind you. Thanos is basically a fatalist: even with ultimate power, the inherent nature of the universe is inevitably cruel. Life unchecked will utterly destroy itself, so you might as well rip the band-aid off now and prevent long-drawn-out suffering. In other words, in the debate about life as a zero-sum or nonzero-sum game, Thanos is CLEARLY on the zero-sum side.
The central argument against this, of course, is classically Hegel ("why not both?"). You have a magic glove, so why not change the rules? It's a fantastic argument, really, and only has two possible answers: either Thanos believes this inherent cruelty is beyond the power of even his magic glove to fix, or whether he knows it or not, something inside him actually prefers it this way. This is why I am still on team "Thanos worships Death."
Good point
Absolutely!!!!
Only in mathematics, computer science, and a few areas like that is logic truely dispassionate.
two people thinking logically can conclude
a+b > c
and
a+b < c
It just depends on how much weight they give to factors 'a' and 'b'.
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I'm on the side, "Thanos has been killing half the population of planets since his own planet rejected his plan." Thanos is about *validating* his plan, his opinion, and showing he was right. If he suddenly changed plans, he wouldn't be Thanos. He'd be some other character.
Plus I get the impression from other videos that the MCU infinity stones do have limitations on their power (at least when used thru the gauntlet).
If he was an ardent fatalist, that believes that life is just drawn out suffering for everyone, why would he not kill everyone? Make life non-existent in the universe? That would make more sense. Half a solution is no solution in this scenario, cause suffering is still happening according to his logic.
Well said
"Fine, I'll do it myself."
I never understood this line, what was Thanos referring to at that moment? Was he aware of Ultron?
Rafael Alódio yes
But how though?
Rafael Alódio I thought it was cause Loki and Ronan didn't accomplish it themselves.
Thanos snaps his fingers and starts to disappears too.
Thanos: "Oh shiiii…."
bottom or top half? or left or right...
Loved the skit at the end btw
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Did the snap affect the planets Thanos already visited? is there only a quarter of the Asgardians left?
considering nearly all of them were on the ship that exploded in the beginning of the movie they're probably all dead...
LukePraisestone yeah i was wondering how half survived if the ship exploded but i guess thanos took them as prisoners or escape pods
It wasn't based on half of each planet is was half of all life in the entire universe, supposedly at random which is why Groot, despite being among the last of his race, got snapped.
Although I do say supposedly cause it's awfully convenient for thanos that several of the Avengers got dusted
LukePraisestone No, it was still just half of Asgard. The ship is actually torn in two the beginning and Thor says that Thanos slaughtered half his people.
As for whether the Snap affected the People Thanos had balanced already, I don't think so. That's where the Soul Stone can come in handy, as well as keeping it random, it would probably be used to distinguish those who have already been affected and those haven't.
Consider Drax.
Ohh man I almost thought you were gonna kill half the interns. Glad they got their nachos
me too
The problem with new Thanos is that the all "killing half of the population" thing is just stupid because there's no thicc Death to please
Paprika they had it easy too, they had Hela yo exploit
So that must be why they'll introduce Captain Marvel before Avengers 4, she might be the middle ground between Stark's brain and Roger's heart.
Yes, because.. WAMEN
Andioyani Channel not really
I actually want to like Captain Marvel. If she is the next phase in bringing in the next story I'm down for it. Handling her and the other newbies the baton to shape the avengers after the originals (and some others) done their job in Avengers 4 will be interesting but they must earn it. Which is why I'm concern with the current trends to alter her of what she actually isn't. I just want a good character and story. Not your own personal agenda and beliefs.
Couldn’t Tony and Cap do the Fusion Dance and create the ultimate rational romantic hero?
They are bringing her in before avengers 4 because shes the most powerful hero in marvel.
Thanos didn't do nuffin. Also pineapple pizza? Your the real monster wisecrack!
Interesting analysis, but I have to contest your designation of Stark as the protagonist, when in reality this is the story of Thanos overcoming all odds to save the universe in his own twisted mind, right down to going through The Hero's Journey, if not exactly in order.
Absolutely! That's what makes this movie work. Thanos is the protagonist.
He has the snappy one liners. He wins.
And he complete's his own hero's journey.
So... Thanos is basically in a nutshell, an Emo fedora redit user rationalist fascinated with death going through a phase?
Basically. He went through a farming phase too.
hes more of a space commie
In Thanos Quest he literally defeats his last adversary by playing a video game against him, so basically yes
My God his entire character and mindset and reasoning is best explained by this comment. Yes.
You had me for that Last Action Hero reference, then you lost me at pineapple pizza.
Pineapple pizza is an abomination to pizzas
Big mistake.
Pineapple pizza is amazing when done right, the pineapple has to get roasted properly. The problem is there are too many sub par low rent pizza joints putting icky cold canned pineapple on already cooked pizzas producing a food abomination from hell.
Cilly Honey no pineapple pizza even when 'done right' is an unholy creation that should be destroyed
I hope you guys are more open-minded about movies than you are about pizza
"It is important to note that the 2018 Thanos isn't who Thanos has always been." THANK YOU!
I simply don't understand why this hasn't gotten a million views, yet. This is very good analytics, very good, indeed...
Thanos in the comics is more of a loon, but Thanos in the MCU see his actions as necessary means to better the universe and is also a loon
The create more resources argument doesn’t work on its own merit, but there is some evidence to suggest that the Infinity Gauntlet couldn’t have done it anyway. Even in the comics, the Infinity Gauntlet only works within its own universe meaning you can’t steal matter or energy from outside the universe preventing a simple doubling of resources. And matter and energy cannot be created from nothing. Aaaand the Infinity Gauntlet from the movie is severely underpowered compared to the comics version anyway.
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And You know that because?
This has it own rules, this isn't the comic, this can do anything the writers want
Just turn rocks and sand into food. Go full Jesus. That way you won't be creating matter, just transforming it.
Okay, tired of people saying Thanos could have created more planets or resources or whatever. I know that due to 'death-of-the-author', it's not technically able to be said as it was never shown in the movie. But for a general bit of information, the Reality stone can WARP reality, but not BREAK it. What that means, is he cannot create, only change and transform. (Of course, if he was smart with biomechanics he could alter the universe and translate soil resources into composite food, yes. But fuck it, not the point.) The fact is, he can't blink a planet into existence (unless he used it to form a planet out of already available environmental resources, like in a nebula... I suppose.)
Julian Laborde nemesis actually
Julian Laborde and what you're talking about is the heart of the universe which is a part of the one above all.
Law of conservation of total mass energy of universe doesn't allow it, Infinity stones are also governed by those laws.
The infinity stones are also governed by the law that they don't affect each other (otherwise, with the space stone you could just reach out and grab all the rest and end the movie in 12 minutes). They already broke this by "repairing" the mind stone using the time stone.
repairing word means it was stitched back together , act of stitching happens in time which move in forward direction after the mind stone shatter event. Time stone did nothing like that it just made a jump to a time which exist in past. So technically thats not repairing
7:22 You're dead on point with your Romanicism vs Rationalism
remember this exchange?
Steve Rogers: You're not the guy to make the sacrifice play, to lay down on a wire and let the other guy crawl over you.
Tony Stark: I think I would just cut the wire.
Kudos for making such a observant analysis~
great breakdown thank you -RR
yeah but Thanos be THICC
Freddie Foreman I'm getting so tired of that term.
thank you internet
drewpamon Well its going to stay forever so get used to it
*THICC*os
Durr Hurr
You wanna know what *truly* changed Thanos?
*The MEMES*
Pineapple Pizza......you're a mad man!!!! A mad titan!!!
This... This does put a smile on my face.
Oh, hi Doctor Doom. Maybe one day you will enjoy this Marvel universe.
Doctor Doom pineapple pizza is great
Doctor Doom he wouldnt like it. Maybe dpool
Does that mean Thor is both? Cuz he did succeed and he doesn't really fall into either of these category, he's something between a rationalist and a romantic.
i cannot even voice how much I love your rationalisation of pop culture. Makes me feel smarter to watch these.
DO UNBREAKABLE!!!!
Check out Garix Wormuloid over in Earthling Cinema. They did a pretty good one on Unbreakable, in that series.
Gurren Lagann too
i think its a simple case of trying to make him a compelling character cinematically
There's always this debate that seems to suggest that Thanos could have created more resources or make more planets. This is such a puzzling idea, considering that such suggestions are actually terrible if not, down right impossible. Here's the thing, by making more planets you would probably create a number of orbital and gravitational issues. Probably ending up killing more people. Not to mention that more planets don't mean all civilisations can get to them. Second is more resources. Sounds good, but has two issues. First, you may end up boosting population growth, which with limited space would make the over population issue even worse, not to mention put a bigger strain to the environment. Second issue, and it applies to the planet creation thing. Matter can't be created or destroyed, it be transformed. Based on all we saw, the Gauntlet follows this law. Hence creating something from nothing was never even an option. Even those who died by the snap, were transformed into ash and not just magically vanished. A little science with philosophy makes for a good match. (Even if it's to create more fun debates)
Neophenom Simple physics and astronomy, you take the infinity gauntlet and manipulate the space matter(located in nebulas) and turn that into planets, or just turn the same space matter into food and usable resources, and there you get a simple solution
Julian L. S. Caesarino 2 I thought it, but it still doesn't resolve the issue of orbital or matter allocation. Any changes to the current configuration of most systems can destroy the unique balance that allows life to exist in the first place. That includes the usage of said matter to make new things not intended to be there. That still plays very strongly into the "Rational" philosophy. Either such choices were considered and deemed dead ends, risky or the movie version of Gaunlet has limitations. Killing 4 billion people won't affect the earth. If you make a new celestial body near our planet could destroy us all. I think that was part of the rational behind it all.
He could've made it so that lifeforms don't need as many resources, made all lifeforms and their resources smaller in scale compared to their planet, made more planets, made every lifeform more rational - literally anything but death.
@@cai6972 that is assuming a lot of the ability of the movie version of the Gauntlet. The finite nature of things can't be changed regardless any of those suggestions. We don't even know if this was a one shot deal either. In any case, even culling is still a temporary solution, so I think it may be part of a bigger plan of his. It any case it seems all alternative solutions are based on fear of death or the "morality" of killing. Considering that is mindset that created the main issue, makes it hard to even want to look in that direction. That is, based on what we know so far.
The bigger problem, is that giving more resources is postponing extinction, not preventing it.
They will reproduce faster, not slower. Because lots of space, lots of resources, lots of food. And when they overpopulate again, what do you do?
Those who do not learn from history, are doomed to repeat it.
A lesson needs to be taught. Being punished for overpopulation, rather than rewarded, would make people more willing to learn. Because they don't want to be punished again, but they do want to be rewarded.
If they learn, they are smart, and fit for survival. If they're foolish, they will repeat the same mistake, and exterminate themselves. Natural selection, it's not kind, but it works.
Tony didn't accept Sokovia accord from rational standpoint. He did it purely by emotional thinking. That is why he tried to pressure others to side with him when he had shown the story of one of the victims.
Epic video guys. I'm an occasional watcher. You have got me keen to take a few more philosophy classes. Also analyzing my own short story characters. Thank you. It's a good thing.
Need some more thug notes
I miss my G
I agree....even if many of the classic literary works have been done before...there are many works still to do..i can think of alot of graphic novels that can be done. (Batman: The Killing Joke, Marvels Civil War, etc...)
Yeah I always thought they could talk about comics and other graphic novels in Thug Notes or t least those with the most dramatic turns to keep it philosophically interesting enough.
GingerJoker117 He needs to do the red badge of courage
Because Jim Starlin's characterisation of Thanos as a intellectual and self-loathing nihilist who tries to convince the grim reaper itself to love him doesn't fit with the standards of modern Hollywood blockbusters.
No one in comics can write Thanos well but Jim Starlin.
CapMar-Vell92 Returns Well said fellow Starlinite.
2nd!!! I knew it was gonna happen though. MCU Thanos = brick
pretty sure starlin likes mcu thanos
So?
I was at Jim Starlin's panel at Baltimore Comic Con. He said Thanos was the personification of insatiable desire, always wanting, never satisfied. He did say he liked the Russo's Thanos because it makes him a more compelling villain and a foil to Tony Stark.
Thank goodness, i hadn't considered Thanos being the worst case scenario of Tony and that honestly helps me with this version of Thanos.
The movie made him feel so empty inside and nothing like the passionate mad-titan from the comics.
Recently, DC Comics started their Deathstroke vs Batman plot line and I thought to myself "what makes Deathstroke such an interesting character?" Maybe an episode on Slade Wilson?
Comic Thanos looks more intimidating, he has such nice eyes
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The Nachos were a LIE!
I love this channel so goddamn much. You guys really have this down to a science, and I just have so much respect for that
Doubling resources only exaggerates the problem. Yes, eliminating half of life only prolongs it, but Thanos is 1500 years old. I'd assume he'd be around for a few more wipes at least.
I think Thanos killed more than 50%. Due to the sudden disappearance of half of the earth, a lot of atrocities were happened which would've definitely caused the deaths of millions more.
You know how sometimes you walk out a movie or finish the last episode of a show and get that feeling that erase the experience so you can do it again? For me, this is the real world application of that, I get to subscribe after 12 minutes and go back in the content. I can't re-watch this one again for the first time; but damn if I don't want to dive into the archives and chase the dragon.
Comic Thanos was actually into "balancing out the universe" as well for some time at the beginning. He even spoke to Silver Surfer more or less the same lines he used in IW about how the universe's resources are limited and population is growing to fast.
Yo wisecrack! Thanks again for the Bo Burnham video!
Videos like this are why I love this channel.
dread it...
Jonsel run from it...
Destiny still arrives...
Or should I say...I have
with a potato on top
that finally put a smile on his face!
I wish that they could have alluded in some way the presence of Death in the MCU, it would have made for a great story in phase 4
The Death premise is a lot simpler and actually much more sinister and chaotic. More than that though, *they introduce Thanos' affection for Death at the end of The Avengers!* . The alien says "to challenge them is to court death" and Thanos turns around and smiles. Perfect setup and they let it go to turn Thanos into the villain from Inferno.
so basically to make the Star Wars comparison Comic Thanos is a sith, chasing after passion, while movie thanos is very logical and didn't take emotions into the equation, when he found out that his attachments held him back from achieving his goal he cut it off
Rejoice, we will all be children of Thanos on July 9th on reddit
and Tony's plan did t fail. his plan was never put into action
Thanos doing that orange justice dance is priceless lmao.
Actually in Silver Surfer 34 and 35 (about two years before the Infinity Gauntlet event) when Thanos is brought back to life he begins talking about killing half the universe and his reasoning is exactly the same to his motivation in the movie.
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Here's why increasing resources or even making them infinite won't work:
-Each planet, each civilization need different resources, on earth, we might need oil but on another planet, oil is meaningless to them. Thanos is not all knowing, so he couldn't possibly known what each planet need and how much they need.
- there's also the problem of living space. Thanos can create a billion more planets, but back to the first point, those planets will only have resources necessary to a few races. Plus, at the rate to population growth, those billions of planets will be over populated sooner or later.
-There's also pollution. If we keep using oil without finding new sources of energy then world will be destroy by our hands. And infinite resources severely slows down civilization.
-Also, Thanos have lived for centuries, if there's better ways to save the universe then he would have come up with it by now. And let's not forget the Gauntlet broke after 1 use, He's been searching for those stones for centuries, he would have known this was going to happen by now.
Reprogram genetically all sentient species to live near immortality with extremely low fertility preventing any chance of overpopulation. The population growth being so low, just a few natural disaster occasionally would be enought to keep the population in check.
And run the possibility of completely wiping out entire alien races.
This ignores how species will slow they're reproduction in response to harder times with less plentiful resources for their future children. Just to give an example, no generation since the 50s has had this low of a birth rate
But Thanos could change reality so he could make oil work different and make people not have to rely on resources. He could snap his fingers and make garbage turn into water. If he ever encountered a problem he could just change reality so that the problem doesn't exist anymore.
Spanishdog17 Thanos would have to think of a solution for the problem. The gauntlet doesn't automaticly solve the problem for him.
Rationalist justification maybe.
Their is nothing actually rational about Thanos's conclusions when contrasted with his potential alternatives given by the very tool he is making use of.
Mr.13 we are limited by our imaginations.
Mr.13 actually it does make sense wants to warn people not to live in excess
Mr.13 can’t the fancy glove make more food ?
Basically Yes. The infinity gaulent's power is basically a paradoxically limited form of omnipotence.
He can change the fundamental nature of reality on a whim; alter the very structure of the universe.
If he had more than two brain-cells to rub together he'd simply create an endless supply of resources using the gauntlet itself as a solution.
Fuck sake the word *infinte* is in the damn name!
Fortune-cookie The universe has a finite amount of resources, the gauntlet manipulates them but can't create more out of nothing. He can't make enough resources for the population of the universe without stripping it of who knows what to create that endless supply.
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It's interesting to note that Endgame compliments this with Tony developing an intense emotional investment in the future of others (both defeating his narcissism and making him a Romantic out of parental love of his daughter), while CAP leads a calculated and practical rationalist strategy to rescue reality from the failure of The Snap (thus marking him as having become a rationalist, at least in the context of that particular problem). For both of them, personal growth through failure leads their core motivations to change.
You're talking about the western countries. Eastern countries like India had discovered many of the concepts in astronomy and mathematics millennia ago and not in the 17th century. Yet westerners are given credit and not Indians.
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Yeah, even though I live in a western country (The Netherlands), I strongly disagree with the eurocentric view of the world. Especially in my history classes, I'm annoyed with this. Our education system pretends like Europe has always been the most important continent in the world, while with exception from the ancient Greeks and Romans, most of history untill the Renaissance happened in Africa and Asia. I don't care how the Neanderthals lived, I want to know about the Chinese and Japanese culture, how they developed, I want to learn about Ghengis Khan, not ten chapters about christians doing christian stuff. After 1500, it gets interesting in Europe. Then you have the conquistadores, the Renaissance, the Enlightment, The Republic of the Seven United Netherlands, the French Revolution, you have the Industrial Revolution, 2 world wars, a cold war and a lot more
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You were mostly right there have always been outside factors no one could reasonable control for and the romantics are wrong and inconsistent because mama.
it's coming home lads
Thanos here certainly lacks imagination. With the ability to reshape reality, all he had to do was create an infinite universe with infinite resources, thus negating the need to kill half of the universe's population...but I guess that was just too hard for his big ol' brain to come up with.
This is everything ive ever thought about MCU civil war and thanos stories in one video.
Its been so beautifully set out, ever since Steve and Tony knocked heads in Avengers:
You're not the guy to make the sacrifice play, to lay down on a wire and let the other guy crawl over you.
I think I would just cut the wire.
May i humbly request the Philosophy of Frank Miller?
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"IM THE GODDAMN BATMAN"
BOOBIES
"WHAT ARE YOU, RETARDED OR SOMETHING?"
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Multiplying resources would be so complicated. What does each society on each planet like ti eat. What is structured. Will the universe just rely on resources tyat come kagically and be lazy. How will the multiplied resourses be distributed?
I wish they had just gotten a different villain, one that more closely matches what they made Thanos into for the movie. He's my favorite character in all of comics, but other than some physical resemblance, the character was badly portrayed. It would have been a miracle for them to have gotten the character right though, as he has always been a strange mix of rationalism and romanticism, a very difficult and nuanced duality to pull off correctly.
This actually gave me a whole new perspective on infinity war. The reason both Stark and Rogers failed was because they weren’t working together. If Tony had called Steve without hesitation, maybe things would’ve worked out differently
That’s what wins; rationality can only go so far and emotion exposes weakness, and both can hinder our choice in the scheme of things. I like the ending ; in order to win, you can’t just be either emotional or rational, you have to not only be both, but be creative.
7:45 slap
they both fail😂🤣
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So essentially this is Thanos version of Hitler's Final Solution but at a universal scale... This is what happens when humanity is depraved and exhausted of imagination and all of it's applications! The answer is free inquiry and the pursuit of knowledge not just for it own sake but for the collective whole.
@Al3xh413
Actually, it is hinted that the Stones can't create matter from nothing
he can't straight up double the resources because the stones still have to follow the laws of physics and you can't create new energy or mass. He would have to convert a lot of already existing unused materials into usable resources, which is probably a lot more difficult than just killing half the peeps
9:25 "When your political imagination is so limited, and you only have a choice between two sh*tty things, all the rationality in the world isn't going to help you make progress. To do this, we need more imagination."
Seriously mindblown. This explains so fucking much....
I will learn your names XD
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I know only movie versions of Thanos, but I love his concept. Working on solely for his love for Death does not make him a strong antagonist.
well, thats your problem! you know what make classic thanos so special, and that was the fact that deep inside he wasn't fully in love with death, bu rather the idea of him being happy with her, since after all, he was a literal mad titan, a mentally ill warlord who could only feel joy when his eyes saw the simplicity of death. and make enfasis in the word ''simple'' cuz had this not been there thanos would not be who is, after all, is like thanos father once say, he wasn't in love with death, but he was in love with himself. and not only with in love, but in constant hatred, this why death never really loved him back, cuz at the end he was nothing but a sad madmen who the universe never wanted.
another thing to mention is that in the comics thanos had a great depression that was the cause of his downfall, ya see, in the original ''infinity gauntlet'' story line, thanos tried to become an entity beyond this plane of existence because that way he would end his mortal need for happyness and love, but sadly nebula stopped him as she had take control of the gems and their power. later on adam warlock(thanos rival and the closest thing he has to friend) tell the mad titan why he lose, and apparently it was duo to thanos himself noticing about what was about to happen but thanos not caring about this cuz he deep inside he had completely given up on his quest for true love, so in other words, thanos had lost duo to the power of depression
Literally the moral of Spider gwen's issues 26-30 which ends with her telling "the watchers" that they're too closed minded and that they need to allow for new solutions to arise
No offense, but thantos was so wrong in his conclusion about what needed to be done. If anything he took the medival kings route of problem solving, not the intellectuals route.
Thomas Cook that’s the reason he’s the mad titan, not the wise titan
in his mind that was the only logical choice to do
Jealous you'll never be as well known as Thanos
@@Scepnex9000 Well, at least he's not a fictional character
factsss hes a fucking moronnn of a character literally has an edgy 15 year olds mindset
Smruti Smarak i was once an edgy 15 year old i get it 😂 its half thought out
Anyone watching the world cup games ?
go russia!
I am, Russia just made a beautiful gol on Croatia, Let's how this will turn out.
yeah, go France!!!
And now Croatia just tied the game.
Rafael Alódio that goal was. Super awesome but he match is not over yet
Anybody else want a Thug Notes instead of nonstop philosophy videos? Break up the repetition Wisecrack.
If my best guess is right, Avengers 4 is going to show Tony building an armour to house the infinity stones, then use the Time stone to collect the others via killing a bunch of Celestials and then at the last minute fulfill the arc laid down by Yinson in Iron Man 1 by buying time for Steve to use the Infinity Armour to take down Thanos. Probably by way of philosophical argument rather than violence.
Never thought there could be so much philosophy behind superhero movies.. amazing video!!