Do I regret buying the John Deere 1023E instead of the John Deere 1025R?
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- So this is less of a comparison and more of one guy's opinion on a decision that was made and the thoughts about it almost two years later. 1023E or 1025R, no clear answer, it depends on your needs and budget.
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“Don’t loan your tractor out, that’s crazy talk, just go do the work for them, it’s gonna be a better deal for you!” Soooo true! Same goes for your truck in my book!
Yep, tractor, truck and wife, you don't loan out any of them🤣, I could even say trailer, but I do have one friend I loan the trailer to and that's it, he's good for it. But these loaning stuff out stories usually all end the same way, usually in regret...said to say, plus I don't mind helping people. Thanks for watching.
Good job! I just bought a 1025r..I agree with you on the extras but they made me a offer I couldn't refuse..they are both fine tractors!!
Your not wrong like you I came from garden tractors I had the 300 and 400 series ( 316,318,322,332) had all 4pp series had a 445 I did go with the x758 and I loved it it will ow anything and be way better for mowing then a 1023e
2021 I ended up getting a 1025r 4months later I had a 2038r
My x758 had a rear pto, 3pt 54in deck I brush hog with it and will never forget it
2019 I paid 14600 for a x758 and mower deck now there almost 20k
Certainly advantages to both, but the 1023E was thousands cheaper, based on them running serious deals on the 1 series and no deals on teh X7 series. Thanks for watching.
I had just purchased a 1025 with bucket, box scraper and mowing deck! Cleared out a lot of crap on property and dug up a couple of small trees with the roots within a short time as well as using the lights!!! I’m stoked on the job performance!!
Both tractors are really good choices. Thanks for watching.
I bought mine from a guy that was moving from Texas up to Illinois and he couldn’t haul it. He sold it to me for 6,500 with 65hrs on it, front end loader and brush hog. Was a super deal and I love it.
Good gracious, their must have been lights and sirens behind you headed home, that is a steal for sure, easy going for triple that now and that's half price on what I paid five years ago. His loss your gain. Thanks for watching.
I just purchased a 1023 with a front bucket, 60” mower deck, & snow pusher. I have a small commercial building with a 10,500 sq ft parking lot. I have already cleared the remaining snow off. It pushed 4-6” of snow with no problem. Can’t wait to use this thing for future projects.
Yeah man, these tractors are beasts for sure. To me they are the perfect Swiss Army Knife, large equipment edition. Big enough to do some big jobs and small enough for homeowners to use and not tear up their properties and yards. Thanks for watching Curtis.
I have a 2002 x595; love it! Attachments: 🌨️ Snowblower 🌨️, 54" blade, 54" Mower Deck & Triple Bagger, Fertilizer Spreader & JD 1500 Cart. Mistake I made was NOT getting the #45 JD Bucket/Loader! Never thought I'd "ever need it". As the saying goes; " Never say never". Future Attachments: Innovative Tractor Attachments LLC Grapple & of course the bucket. The JD #45 if I can find one otherwise I have to go through the short list I created & hopefully pick out the right one! CTC, Johny, Buford (impressive but limited height) and there was 1 I just found on the Loaders website.
I recently read somewhere that one of the 700 series; x738, x739 has a smaller frame than the x595. As a result the bucket wasn't offered as an option.
Hey Brendan, I agree, had I gotten a X595 or very similar instead of a GT235 back in 2003, I would probably still have it today, but my search lead me, despite being an L&G guy to the 1 series based on price. And I don't know that the frame was smaller or not with the current X700 s the older X5X5 series but I had heard that Deere was basically pushing people to get a 1 series over the X700, eliminating the need for a ROPS on the X700. The 1023E is a hair bigger than the X700/X595 no doubt, I like the Super GT size, but to equip it the way I have the 1023E equipped would have set me back at least another $4-5000 or so. Having said that, the prices of the 1 series have skyrocketed lately, so I'm not sure my comparison about these tractors is as valid as it was. Even since I posted just 7-8 months ago, the price of 1 series have gone crazy. I haven't kept track of the X700 series. But again, had I gotten a X485-X595 back in 2003, I never would have looked at the 1 series, those tractors are super cool. Thanks for watching.
Nice I was torn between the R vs the E I will say that suspension seat as hard to beat on a large Field when cutting grass or tilling
That seat in nice.
Should have my 1023 this coming week!! Can’t wait. Loader and backhoe ready to go to work
Awesome, Richard, you will like it, they are quite the force-multipliers when it comes to work. I wish I had gotten one years ago. Thanks for watching.
I sometimes thought about it. My regret was not getting loader right away. I have a 4720 for digging, so why did I need a loader? Got 1023e for mowing, but the little machine gets to places I have to hand dig otherwise. The three point adjust was the only thing I miss, but was not at a concern when I bought it. Still happy with it. Added loader, 3rd function, rear SCV, foam filled tires.
The 4720 is super nice. On the 3 point, you are talking about the position control of the adjustment for rate of drop? Thanks for watching.
Thank you for the video.
Thank you for watching.👍👍
They should have put position control on the 1023E as well and it would be perfect in my opinion. Have a Blessed Day
Agreed, but they make a lot of extra dough on those 1025R's though.
2016 I purchased the 1023e. H120 loader. Oversize material bucket. 260 backhoe. 8 inch wrenching bucket. Hla snow push. Everything I needed for 2 years of projects. The unit paid for itself vs the quotes I received for a 1/2 acre lot. It's what I needed and did everything I asked. I thought I would sell it when I completed the yard. No way. Never had a issue . The 1025r would have done the same jobs for an extra $2500. If the tractor you want is on your bucket list, don't look back and wish you had .
Nice advice. I have a 1/2 acre and am weighing up getting a 1023. Feels like overkill but there are lots of jobs I’d use it for, not least regrading the driveway every year or so,
I just got my 1023 delivered today I love it
Sweet, you're going to love it more every day, they are very useful. Thanks for watching.
I bought the 1023e because it is a tractor, not a caddy. I’m not on my tractor for hours on end everyday, so suspension seat, arm rest, cig outlet etc are of no use to me. The R is nice if the cost diff was about $500, other than that the E does everything the R can do.
Yep, I kind of felt the same way. Were there some options I wanted, yep, did I want to pay the $2500 for the two I wanted, nope. But if I was up north or needed some of the other options, it may have been worth it, to each his own. Thanks for watching.
My thoughts as well
I got my 1025R new in 2015. I had to have the seat 😂. Without that suspension seat it would beat me to death 💀. Especially with loader on and tires at full pressure.
That is the single best thing I like about the 1025R with a close second being the 3 pth position control. That seat does seem nice and if and when the time comes, I may have to find myself a 1025R seat replacement. It all boils down to what you need and what you will use I think. Thanks for watching.
Draft control for the 3 point is nice but really not needed unless your plowing, I like the look of the 1025 but I think I still will buy the 1023, I really just need the loader and would like to stay under $20,000
Very well explained, I think you made the right choice 👍🏻
Thanks for the comment and thanks for watching.
I just purchased the 1025r with the backhoe attachment. I love it, But was back and forth on the 23 and 25 but I just felt that paying that much money for something may as well get the bells and whistles. although way over priced. The big thing for me was the control for the 3 point hitch didn't like the way its either up or down it snaps back to the middle. plus I financed mine 0% interest, and made very little difference in the payment amount.
Yep, it all breaks down to how you will use the tractor and what your willing to pay for that. I actually did break down and buy a grapple in the last week. I was on a few jobs where getting off the seat got old so I was able to work out getting both the grapple and the hydraulic diverter from Summit for under $2000. Now I need to install it. The 3 point control was a nice feature that I would use, but the cost of the others as a package was too high. But if you use the others, then it becomes a better deal for sure. Thanks for watching.
I have a 3032e. More power than I need for 20 acres of property. Have a loader, landscape rake, loader forks and full cab enclosure. It has heat and nice fans for summer. Hitched up a 12 volt source in cab. I have my phone in a holder and tunes 😢playing all day. These are not economy tractors, they are tools. Strong and powerful. “R” series are for those that spend all day in the cockpit. This is their office. Do making it like home is the way it should be. That’s were they spend their lives. I’m just a wood splitter not looking to kill his back any longer.
I agree, if I had a larger property, I would get a 3E, if I did tractor work everyday, all day, I would get a cabbed 3R, not doubt, especially here in Florida, I'd have to have A/C and shade, I'm too pale a white boy to withstand much sun and I hate the heat. Thanks for watching.
For the prices of that price the deck should be extremely heavy duty!
I missed a great deal on a used 1023r, I would of bought it for the price alone it was a great deal. This 23e most likely would of done What I needed it to. But I most likely will buy a 25r or little bigger . I love the old L&G Deere also. I have a 64-110 & a 01 -455 . When I retired I sold off the heard. Enjoyed your video here. Thanks
Thanks, those old tractors are cool too. The advantage to the 1025 is the features, beyond that, the 1023 can do everything a 1025 can do. But, many of the features do come in handy, I can't argue there. Thanks for watching.
I got another chance on the 1023r, And Good deal, So I jumped on it, SO this time next week, I'll be the owner of a 2016 1023r with 387hrs. on it. As I said, I feel it will do what I need it to do here and buying it saved me 6G!!
hi, i like your review of your 1023e, id just purchased a 2020 1025r with power beyond, id noticed you had a hydrolic toplink, and looks to be a hydrolic controller on the side, could you tell me where you got that as thats something im wanting for my tractor as well...
The part I have is a John Deere part and only has one circuit. I think it's not compatible with a power beyond as I understand it. However, Summit has a 2, 3 or 4 circuit electro 3 SCV unit you can get that connects through a power beyond. Tractor Time With Time has a video on it. The cool thing is that it allows for extra circuits, whereas mine is only one extra circuit, the downside maybe is that you have to have the Power Beyond and that if the Power Beyond is not hooked up, you can't use the system. Also thanks for watching.
I personally think the 25hp should be on all the 1 series tractors. The price can't be that much more and it would simplify things.
Yeah, although I don't think I've ever been wanting for power, it would make sense and simplify things for consumers and dealers as well. Thanks for watching.
Hi, i live in Québec Canada. In 2019 i bought a 1023e. I did the same thinking and arrived at the same conclusion. For me the extra money for the 1025r was not worth it. Like you i wish that i could have the bigger engine and the 3 point selective control.
Agreed, that position control was pretty cool, but I don't do a lot of finesse work with the 3 point, so not having it wasn't a deal breaker for me. Thanks for watching.
The engine is just a tune for more power
I purchased a 25R because it was the best for me. I would have the 23e if it was a better deal. Both are good
Yep, agreed, there are many reasons to buy a 1025 for sure, I'm sure they easily outsell the1023 all day long, each tractor owner has needs/wants and each tractor offers something different. Thanks for watching.
what attachments are HP limited with the smaller engine? Seems like the hydraulic capacity and speed are equal so it must be a pto attachment like a shredder?
No sure, I can run all my equipment just fine, tillers, stump grinder and bush hog without issue. In a way the 1.3L engine in the 1025 is just a huge engine for that size tractor. They even put that engine in the 3025E, which is a much larger tractor. Thanks for watching.
I have the 1023e and it does just about everything that I need done. I would like to have set a remotes. I noticed the extra lever on your tractor. Did you add remotes?
Yes Sir, I did add the Deere rear hydraulic kit for my hydraulic top link, which I love. I did install it myself, but it was before I did videos, so unfortunately I don't have a video made for it, but there was another guy with a smaller channel that did a pretty good video. And yes I agree, they are the same tractors, but the 1025 has some extra nice features. Just depends on what your use is I suppose. Me, I was very budget minded, in fact, I could not afford one today, I was lucky to buy when I did. Thanks for watching.
There is a problem with the 700 series price point jd needs to adjust it
Yes I thought so too, I've figured JD has the Super GT market locked up, maybe because no one else really has them anymore, so I think JD runs serious incentives (or did before the pandemic) to stay ahead of Kubota in the SCUT market. That is my uneducated guess, but I wasn't about to pay thousands more to get a less capable tractor, so they roped me in from the Super GT market.
I have the 1023e and I have a heated enclosed cab on mine .so it can be done
Sweet. Now that's an aftermarket cab correct? Thanks for watching.
That’s why I like Kubota they don’t nickle & dime you on extras they just give you more for your money!
It does feel at times that there should be some standard features that aren't, but I think Kubota has some of those too. Thanks for watching.
Says the guy watching a John Deere video. Quick fact John Deere guys dont watch Kubota videos. Its like the Andriod folks commenting on Iphone users. WE DONT CARE!
@@marvinjackson2641 Ha true to a certain extent. I believe JD comes standard with drive-over decks, Kubota it costs extra last I heard🤷♂, each manufacturer has it's own way of making money I guess, thanks for watching.
I have the 1025r and have never used the lights or tractor in the dark and have never used cruise control.
Yeah, those are less useful to me as well, however, I do like the seat and the 3 point hitch position control. So it just depends on how you use them, the features and your budget. My budget was small, in fact, had I not pruchased in late 2019, I would never been able to afford one. Thanks for watching.
Frankly it’s always about your needs and the amount of money you have to spend...
Exactly Steve. Thanks for watching.
why would you by a x758 when your getting so much more with the other 2 tractors what i'm i missing ?
I have no idea, which is why I had to buy the 1023E, I couldn't afford the X758. Thanks for watching.
Wow in three years prices have gone up by 8k
Yeah, if I had not bought when I did, I would have never been able to afford a 1023E, man I got lucky, because prices are crazy right now. Thanks for watching.
The 700 series is just a fancy and overpriced lawn mover this is the best choice that you could have done
It's getting that way with the prices and because they took away the loader option.
Not sure if this is true but the shop Forman at my JD dealer said the 1023e moter can be turned up to match the 1025r hp . Must turn up the fuel pump . Just saying what he told me . Anyone know if this is true ?
I have not heard that, but that doesn't mean it's wrong. I'd imagine you could adjust the 1025 motor too. They are 1.0L for the 1023 and nearly 1.3L for the 1025, so the 1025 does have an inherent displacement advantage already. Thanks for watching, hopefully someone with more knowledge will opine.
Awesome tractor the 1023E is great. I work as a salesman for Deere and I would only get a 1025 because of the way the 3 point is. I totally get the 1023 though a great tractor
That and the better seat had me thinking about the 1025R briefly, but the extra $2500 was too hard a pill to swallow for me as the other features were non-players. Having said that, I have done just fine without either, but I can't deny, that seat looks comfortable the position control would come in handy on certain projects. Thanks for watching Edward.
What do you know about the bucket/loader no longer being offered for subcontract tractors (x595). I commented earlier & have a short list I'm going to go through if I can't get the JD #45. Do you have any other recommendations?
Not too often I see someone from the factory on TH-cam. Ha! I'm going to share an idea with you; one I've had for years. Deere should make a 🐊 Crocodile 🐊 "Croc". Big Brother to the Gator, 25% larger in physical size, hydraulic, attachments: 🌨️ snowblower 🌨️, grapple, sweeper etc. Engine? Take it out of one of you're CTL's / skid steers. Should be at least 60 hp!
I'm 25 miles west of Boston; on a 10 acre + piece of property. Winters are split 50/50 between dry & wet snow. My father used to say that it gets colder every year. He was right! Sitting out there on a x595, January night, 18° with winds blowing 30 mph +; it's down right cold! Just is 😓 😰 🥶! Gator is clunky to plow with, 🐙 octopus🦑 wouldn't have any issues. Really surprised a "Crocodile" hasn't made a grand appearance with Deere. Bobcat is pushing their Toolcat, Kubota is now promoting their x 1000 C I believe. Two different connects for front attachments; PTO & I now forget the other? One stick has 9 round buttons on it, more I have to find out about I guess. I am going to buy that 333G though. Two different on going applications in my yard. One you already know about; snow removal Comfortably & downed trees. Have about 30 down; several are in the river; ugly. I average 3 - 5 a year on the ground, that's the way it is. Ideally I'll leave the bucket on the 333g for the winter, blower on the Kabota x1000 C (sorry) & put the blade on my x595 for the wet snow.
@@brendanperry6429 CTC is the only game in town now for loaders for these tractors, at least the newer ones, you can eventually find a 45 for the X595. I would steer clear of the Johnny buckets of the world and mini-loaders. In my opinion and others will differ, the geometry just isn't right on the mini-loaders. All the weight up front....IN FRONT of the front axle, not even over it. Even if the hydraulic power is there to lift, I can't imagine it not making the tractor extremely unstable to operate. Plus I don't think there is a huge savings between the two. If I ever get a loader for the 322, it will likely be a CTC, lifetime warranty and new doesn't hurt and picking up a 45 would be almost as much. I hope that answers your question about loaders. As far as utility vehicles, I don't know much about them.
@@FloridaDeere Thank you so much for getting back to me; you obviously know what you're talking about! There's a TH-camr who makes one; Buford it's called, I assume out of Georgia. Appears to be well made, reach is an issue though. I need to put manure in the back of my brother's GMC pick up truck; Buford I don't think would reach. I just found another one; Westendorf on Loaders period then the 3 letter word. Heard of them, like them, don't like them?
@@brendanperry6429 Ha, I don't know about that, i had to look up that loader, looks pretty cool though, didn't know another company made them. For kicks I got a quote for a 755... in case I ever get the urge to find a good deal without a loader. Unfortunately they do not sell one for the 322.
I like your videos, but could you do us a favor. When you overlay text on the screen, could you leave it up just a few seconds longer.
Man, I try to always work that out. The overlay provides enough time for short messages, but you are right, I don't always extend my longer "editorials" like I should. The funny part is I am a slow reader, so generally if I do extend them, they are probably good for nearly everyone Dusty. But I will try to pay more attention to that. I'm rather not wild about the editing part and sometimes rush through it, but you are right, it is frustrating when you have to remind and/or pause to get the whole message. I will work on that for sure. Also, I appreciate your comment as well as the critique, both encourage me to do better. Again, thanks for watching, Happy Thanksgiving.
Wow. The 1023e now you’re looking at around 19k with loader and deck. Hell of a price
Yeah John, I agree, I simply got super lucky looking for the tractor at just the right time I guess. As a side note, I did ask the salesman if they would take any less. While he didn't laugh in my face, he did say, he had never seen them lower and at the time it seemed like a good deal, but since the pandemic, it was a great deal. Thanks for watching.
So in your opinion is this tractor better than Kabota BX series
Well, to be fair, I could have gotten either tractor I figure, but also being fair, I've always been a "Deere" friend, so I might be a little bias. Overall, I think the JD has some advantages but the Kubota probably has some too. I think both brands are top notch and both retain a large following of brand loyal folks. I wanna say the BX is a tid smaller, but I could be mistaken. It's almost like JD and Kubota got to together and designed their brands a 1/2 tractor segment off of each other. Does that answer your question? LOL. Thanks for watching.
Really appreciate your experience
I love mine but now I feel I need a cab what would you do. Need cab and heat for -30temps
It's funny you say that, as an occasional user down here in Florida, I don't want one, but if I did this as my full-time job, I would want one for A/C. I think they sell several aftermarket cabs, so I think there is a solution. Thanks for watching Jason.
is it worth getting a palet fork for the 1025R or does it not lift enough
I think they are worth having but they are small tractors and certainly do have limited range as far as forks go. I use mine as a poor man's grapple as well to spear piles of brush and such and to pick up things the bucket has trouble with. Thanks for watching.
@@FloridaDeere thank you
@@corbinhammond1371 I use my pallet forks all the time, they won't lift anywhere close to a ton but they did lift my pellet stove, the neighbor's gun safe off his truck, 5 foot box cutter on a skid, about 9 - two inch thick - 2 foot by 2 foot concrete pads on a skid, etc....Too much to list here but you get the idea.....
@@ZomBRaider thank you i dont know if i would use them for what i need but how big was the gun safe?
@@corbinhammond1371 Not sure weight wise....It was a smaller one....I've lifted things up to about 500lbs so far....My point was while 500lbs is definitely limited, I still use them plenty enough to make the purchase well worth the investment....Hope that helps...
I think you got the best deal for your dollar 💵
The 2 tractors only have a 2.5hp difference. I'll bet they both use the same engine.
If so, I'll bet it is real easy to get the other 2.5hp out of the 1023 engine.
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They actually have different engines, the 1023E a 1.0L Yanmar and the 1025R a 1.3L. But they are similar enough to run basically all the same equipment. It boils down to do you need all the extras a 1025 offers. If yes, buy one, but if all you need/want is the basic tractor, then a 1023E will likely work just fine. Thanks for watching.
What about the 1023e has a zero on the rear of drive shaft that is a pain to grease. 1025 does have it
A zerk? Both are the same tractor with little differences in the overall design. I have seen just as many 1025 guys complain about the same thing. If you are speaking about something else, help me out and clarify? Thanks for watching.
I don't understand why more people don't go the route you go. I could never understand paying over $10,000 for basically a lawn mower with a bucket, when for pretty much the same comparable price you can get a sub combat tractor with the mower deck and rear pto, the attachments are almost limitless now with sub compacts between the rear and mid pto. My father has a 1023e and that thing is great, loader comes off in a breeze and a there is a huge difference between a pro driven mower deck and a belt driven mower deck, gets into tight spaces and areas larger machines have no chance at, plus I have a Kubota l3940 so few sizes bigger and between the two there isn't much that can't be done. With my Kubota we even put it a buddies entire septic system, cleared the trees and area, dug, put in the holding tank, everything, saved him $1000s and side from being able to pickup and drop in the holding tank, the 1023e would of done everything else.
hey nice vid.
I guess the 1023E is closer to the Emax 20S th-cam.com/video/ahdAPz1BKMs/w-d-xo.html,
My lifting is just under 700lbs similar to yours.
I did get a quick hitch for it th-cam.com/video/G01lJWv9SJI/w-d-xo.html it may fit better on yours if it's closer to the 1025R from what I'm told.
We went with the Mahindra as price was a concern. the JD and others were more money and I already have a JD lawntractor and it too has CC that I've never used..lol
very nice comparison , I will sub to see more tractor vids.
Glenn.
Yeah, it seems a lot of these tractors are very similar in capability for sure. I do like some of the features of the other tractors like the way the Mahindra's hood opens up. Deere has some very well thought out designs though that other tractors don't have, for instance oil cooler for the hydraulic fluid, fender mounted loader joystick (I believe Kubota has that too), power steering cylinder behind the front axle. A few others and it didn't hurt that I got the 1023E at what appears to be the magical opening on price, just before the pandemic, after that, prices went nuts, there is literally a $5-6K difference from a new now to what I paid in Sept 2019. They had clearly built too many tractors, or at least 1 series, in 2018 and 2019, so dealers were flush with them. I do think all these little tractors with proper maintenance will last a long time though. Thanks for watching and I did check out your posted videos too, thanks for sharing.
@@FloridaDeere wife and I have been putting off getting a tractor for a few years now and just recently decided to take early retirement and work on the property we finally got a tractor. besides snow removal right now this coming spring/summer will be using it much more.
your channel is very helpfull. keep up the good work.
Glenn.
Tektite Canada makes a nice heated cab with a wiper and LED lights back and front for both the 1023E and 1025R. (tektite.ca/product/john-deere-1023e-tlb/) Mine is great. About $6500 CDN.
Thanks for watching. I think if I did tractor work for a living down here, not just the occasional side job, I would definitely a need a cab...with A/C here, heat up there would be necessary as well.