My friend watches Man of Steel for the FIRST time || DCEU
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- Today we're starting on the highly requested DCEU, starting with Zack Snyder's Man of Steel.
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Are you ever gonna react to Marvel's Netflix series???
Please at least react to Daredevil. If Matt wants dark, he'll get it.
Cool but I will give it to someone who needs it must my girlfriend... Wish me luck😁
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Holden you guys should react to the first episode of Superman And Lois, ots free on the CW app and I think that its one of the best Super Man Thing so far
Damn Henry Cavill is shredded. He looks like he worked out his full body for like... 30 days maybe?
More like 30 weeks
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@@johnpablochavez8803 and whole lot of sarms
The shot of him in the rain after saving the oil workers, he dehydrated for 3 days to really define his muscles
@@keving5004 You should check out 'More plates more dates' video on Henry's transformation. I doubt he took any PEDs.
I defend the final fight by thinking about how it's only Superman’s 2nd fight. He was also just immediately up against other Kryptonians, there was no in-between like bank robbers or lower tier supervillains. Also, Zod would not have allowed him to help people during the fight, he would want as many deaths as possible.
Exactly. Zod made it very clear that the only goal he had at that point was death and destruction. Zod would have started offing people immediately if Cal had tried taking the fight somewhere else. Not to mention every building that fell was due to Zods actions. Zod slicing a building down with his heat vision. Zod tossing Cal through the buildings by his cape. Zod kicking an oil tanker into a building. Zod destroying Wayne's satellite ultimately causing falling debris. Idk where people get the idea that the deaths of those people were Cal's fault.
@@isaacfloyd4023 than they say HE COULD HAVE ENDED IT QUICKLY but you can notice it wasnt like that zod quickly caute up to supermans level of control of the powers it was only that sups caute him in a good holding position he was able to restrain him because of the destraction of falling from space so no he had to actually fight this mad man who had nothing left he was born to protect his people he only knew to kill and fight for his people now that they ate gone he will stop at nothing to make Clark's people be GONE. SO no zod wasnt gonna be am easy push over
But if he is strong enough to break his neck wouldn't he be strong enough to choke him out and leave him unconscious? Killing him didn't seem like the only option there
@@jimmydcriket4086 My dude. Zod was already beyond saving. he had already made a declaration of genocide against the humans and had literally nothing else to live for from his own perspective. Plus Cal would not have been able to choke him out before that heat vision bisected those people. Breaking the neck was quicker.
Exactly and this movie also is Clark becoming Superman and of course him saving the world for the first time would be clumsy with lots of deaths. It also depicts how 2 godlike beings would fight in a city unlike other movies.
This is one of the best Superman movies of all time. Henry Cavill's interpretation is pure gold. Underrated AF
nah
fact
@@NaaniSensei it's one of those generational things. I'm Generation X, born in 1978 (my father is a Baby Boomer), so Superman 1978 and its sequels including Superman Returns will always be Superman to me. Superman should not be a dark character. For that, we have Batman. 🙂
@@neutrino78xsee I'm your age and I believe this was hands down the better version of Superman.
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"ee I'm your age and I believe this was hands down the better version of Superman."
Not me, it's too dark. Superman 1978 all the way. 🙂
Never commented before, but holden making fun of the movie on every scene made me do it. Let your friend have an opinion first before mocking the movie.
Matt made so many jokes too
@@terinielsen5179 after Noticing it was just going to be a dog pile. Couldnt even get through the krypton scene without him saying some bs. Matt was in until he realized holden wasnt going to stfu
@@kennethguerrero6802 movie isn't a dog pile, also when did people forget how to watch films, let's ruin the film for the people who haven't seen it
@@Tenchi707 i mean they just did a dog pile on the movie instead of watching it and reviewing it. They just hounded at every scene breaking the moment up for the viewer who had never seen it
@@terinielsen5179 that’s literally just Matt being Matt…
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I love this movie, its my most underrated comic book movie
Absolutely
This movie i think was about answering the question of if a man can be good in a world that forces evil choices. And i liked the answer.
My favorite in the DCEU
The first guy to talk after they finished the movie, really annoyed me. I swear for the life of me, I don't know what movie he saw. He claimed millions of people died. What is he talking about? This is one of the most frustrating things about this film. People who don't like it, have to lie to justify their hatred of this movie because they can't articulate a rational argument.
@@keitht24 Superman literally slams himself through a lot of skyscrapers and buildings, tearing them apart violently. You telling me nobody died there? Are people not allowed to dislike the movie without being liars? That sounds kinda insecure.
Holden keeps talking through emotional moments. It just ruins it. It feels like he doesn't want the movie to breathe and has a slant against it. I love this movie.
it's really really annoying. . .honestly.
Does Holden hate the DC??
@@rohangangan8327 no i dont think he hates it he just prefers marvel
@@satari5999 Still what a sad state of affairs DC are!! I grew up watching DC as a kid (JL mostly) and look at it now! Never knew that much about Marvel apart from Spiderman and now I have watched all the MCU movies till Endgame and Loved it😍. I Hope DC gets back to its best!!
Wow I agree. ruined it for sure. Why all the talking over the scene's? This is too much for me.
Unfortunately, this was the most disappointing "my friend watches" episode so far.
I was more excited for Matt's reaction of these movies than any other. They are very divisive and I was really interested in which side his opinions lay. However, Holden was cracking jokes during every dramatically impactful scene, or just outright making fun of the movie so much that I can't imagine Matt got a genuine experience with it. I by no means am a DCEU apologist, but I really hope Holden backs off with the constant digs... particularly for the next one.
They're much more intense movies and when you take someone out of the ambience of it... there were times he was talking over dialogue, talking over musical cues, atmospherically important moments. Just felt really uncomfortable watching it.
True, I agree
Yep! Holden was very annoying....the need to be funny during certain scenes and important ones were shredding my nerves. Quipping the entire time for whatever reasons rubbed me the wrong way....
Idk. The Star Wars order they used butchered it for sure, but I feel like here, as clear as Holden was against it particularly after the movie was done, I still think Matt was paying full attention to the film. It’s not a perfect film. It’s dense, probably more than it should be, and I think Jeremy was on the money about why the fight falls hard from a storytelling perspective. Like Holden is clearly trying his hardest not to drag this film XD but as much as this film gets right, it kind of shoots itself in the foot towards the end
Yep! I agree! He's very respectful of the movie he likes and very disrespectful of the movies he doesn't care for!
Yeah he was very annoying cracking jokes during the important scenes n talking over it was annoying n irritating
My prediction is that Matt will like this, the first Wonder Woman, and MAYBE Shazam, but I’m expecting him to hate everything else lol
Maybe he would like aquaman too.
This is Matt your talking about. Never be hopeful with Matt.
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I dont think so
The movie's look alone would make him hate it
@@bloo22ca yea
I think he will like BvS UE for the bye gone jim moments
Holden come on buddy.......you critique this movie and said that there's so many dead people in Superman had time to kiss Lois Lane..... But you didn't say anything when Spider-Man and Iron Man were talking to each other on the battlefield and embraced, giving each other a long hug in the midst of a war! You can't have it both ways. You know it's a movie so you know they do things like that. You are criticizing one but you're not criticizing the other for the same thing. It's probably because you're biased towards the Marvel movies because you're more invested in them, which is okay because they made all of us invested but come on bro! It's pretty much exactly the same thing.
100% agree with u, it really pissed me off. Especially during the Johnathan Kent death scene
agreed fully DC fan or not this movie seems almost flawless, yet there has to be jokes int he middle of emotional scenes and complaints about people dying? while they have these similar moments in Marvel as well.
I was getting annoyed too instead of enjoying the moment and the beauty of this films they kept saying dumb things
1000s of people trapped under buildings? Let's have shwarma first
I enjoy the jokes, but like.... don’t ruin every feel good moment with a sarcastic comment.
Yeah, I don’t even like this movie much, but that was annoying me.
@@randall-king Watch the film on your own then?
@@spenser9908 I’ve suffered through this movie before. What I wanted to see was their honest reaction without inane commentary by one of them who’s seen it already.
@@spenser9908 That's not the point. We are seeing someone react to the movie for the first time. I can easily go watch the movie on my own if I wanted.
i agree, even if a love marvel more than dc... too much jokes, this is a great movie except for "martha" thing
The Jonathan and young Clark bit I feel gets missed.
Johnathan was scared for his son. His son is an alien. An alien with incredible powers. He was scared that what if he was discovered when, not just the world, but Clark himself wasn't ready?
And the parent in him, for that moment, only cared for his son. He'd rather others die than him be exposed to the dangers. And you could see that after he said it, he looked regretful. That he didn't mean it.
It's something I could relate to. The fear that your child could be in danger. That harm could come. It was a powerful moment. And one I believe Johnathan may have felt, but only said it because he was scared for his own son.
Exactly what parent tells their child go ahead sacrifice yourself to save someone else. No parent is like that. He tells Clark to conceal his powers until the world and he himself are ready.
@@eskanda3434 You got it right cause if anyone knew clarks power from the very beginning and exposed it to many people military will immediately act up to try and get him and gets to the point where clark would be the enemy of the military and definitely marked as enemy of humanity
That is true. At that point, young Clark lives in a world where let's face it half the population would hate and fear him, want to hurt him for being the other, the outsider without him having even done anything wrong. For a parent, that must be terrifying
Yea his friend completely misunderstood that scene between Johnathan and Clark
I never had a problem with johnathan, if someone saw him saving the kids and then the goverment came to take him and experiment on him lol. This is what would happen in the real world, you cant blame him for keeping his son safe by any means he can
But it's a pretty selfish viewpoint. "Hey Jesus, don't save people, think about your well being first, bro"
@@johnnyskinwalker4095 but it’s realistic you think if a alien showed up with all powered up people would accept it hell no people would have a problem with it
@@brandonbaerga4972 exactly like clark said "my father believed that the world isn't ready for me". There would be a lot of people who will see him as a threat, some will think he is sent by God, a lot will get panicked and scared if they knew that there are beings like this living among us, then there will be government and the list goes on. Jonathan was only thinking about his son, as it is said in the movie "good or bad character, you are gonna change this world". He was just a kid then, he will not be able to handle the things coming his way. Who knows with that kind of pressure that he wouldn't turn evil, that's were Jonathan's view point becomes relevant
I watched this because I like Holden's videos, and really to get his crew's take on it. Honestly, I can't stand the movie, and one of the moments to bring me to that opinion was Jonathan saying that 'maybe' a bus full of kids should have drowned. People arm-chairing this with implications, circumstances and the view of society. If someone is capable of saving lives you just do it. Because its right.
This is just one of the movie's problems, but its a big one. This sad, really nihilistic Pa Kent essentially telling his impressionable kid that people can die if it serves your own interest. May as well be raising the Brightburn kid.
@@chrish7904 yea it's the opposite of hope
He was holding back, but I think that's HUGE for the character. In the span of a day or two, he met his birth father, learned about where he came from, learned he has the ability to fly, then immediately was confronted by an army of aliens trying to turn earth into his home world. OF COURSE he was hesitant to kill Zod. This is the last person alive from his culture. Killing Zod would mean Clark is TRULY alone.
When people try finding plot holes and saying things like "superman should have just done ____ instead", they're neglecting the fact that Clark has only been "Superman" for a day.
I say he isn't Superman YET. He is still growing to that character that people love, He is still learning about himself and whether he will be accepted or not, and he makes tough decisions in just a few days.
@@ethanerxleben6236 Exactly. He doesn't even know that the military has given him the name "Superman" while he's fighting Zod's army!
@@ethanerxleben6236 that’s a good point he’s not Superman but he is the man of steel hence why the movie is not named superman
Exactly the movie is literally called man of steel, not superman. He isn't superman. At least not yet.
Why’d they just trash the movie while Jenn and Matt were trying to watch it
They're a group of friends watching a movie. Ofc they can joke on it during the movie. Even matt joined in it at one point so i don't think we need to start drama where it isn't a thing.
@@ajschutzler99 Of course matt joined in, his opinion was skewed by his friends' constant jokes about the movie.
@@SdMVin have you seen matt in his videos? He's usually very vocal about these types of things so if he doesn't come out with a vid or says something then it doesn't bother him, and then it shouldn't bother you
@@ajschutzler99 Yeah I've seen him. But he's in Holden's house, you expect Matt to tell him to shut up? Also it bothers me because I've been watching their reactions for a while and Holden tries to be very quiet and respectful when watching movies that HE LIKES. That's obviously not the case here so it makes for quite a frustrating video instead of an enjoyable one.
@@SdMVin yup agreed
Don't judge Jonathan Kent for the "maybe". He is not a perfect person and just tries to do what is best for his son. He does not have all answers, it makes him human.
He's literally trying to keep his family together. The government or other powers would tear his family apart to capture, control, dissect, etc, a being from another world. Another batch of silly unrealistic arguments against it.
I know he's not a perfect person and in the context of this darker universe, his "maybe" sort of makes sense, but we're talking about a bus full of children. No decent human being will tell their son who has superhuman strength to let a bus full of kids die to save his own skin. Imagine the trauma and guilt Kent would feel if he did that.
@@chris__rooster That's the point of the critique that moment gets, Johnattan Kent in other media always told Clark to use his powers for the greater good, in MoS, although is reasonable he doesn't really know what the answer is and he's trying to protect him/them, the "maybe" has dark undertones that affect the perception of the character and it's something pretty jarring to see the father figure to an alien say "maybe you shouldn't have saved them"
@@chris__rooster He never told him to let them die remember. He said maybe because he did not know. He is in a complicated situation and he can't talk to anybody except his wife about it because it has never happened before and they know how judgemental humans are. And like others said, the government will tear them apart.
@@chris__rooster Its not about saving his own skin. Its about sparing the world from finding out and immediately making Clark a divisive figure just for existing. He had enough problems growing up and he would most certainly be taken away by the government and become a lab curiosity subjected to tests for the rest of his life. He would have turned out like Homelander. In BvS as a grown man he found it impossible to just exist in the world in the first place. Again that scene plays on the theme of whether it is for the greater good that his secret no be revealed yet. A bus of schoolchildren would objectively pale in comparison to the wider consequences of Superman existing would bring. Like Jonathan says "this thing is bigger than you or me".
The film isn't necessarily saying either viewpoint is correct. It just lays out the ethical and moral dilemma that is a key part of the film.
I usually try to not nitpick, but I feel that holden was making more jokes than usual when they were watching it
I don't know why
I guess because he doesn't like it like MCU
Yeah I felt like he kept distracting Matt when he was trying to watch the movie
Yeah I couldn’t help but think that too, that and pointing out and explaining the Jesus metaphors, could’ve done that after the movie
Yeah, he kept doing it doing serious moments, interrupting the flow or intent in those scenes. Frustrating:/
I felt the exact same way. Hard to form your own opinion when someone is making fun of every aspect of the movie.
I love how subjective this movie is in particular. I personally love Man of Steel. It felt very grounded and actually made me like Superman for once. Also the score is amazing.
Disappointing episode of “My friend watches” Holden was just cracking jokes the whole time through the most impactful scenes
Agreed. This is a beautiful, emotional movie. Just wonderful. This movie gets better with each viewing...
He already destroyed the emotional Luke/Mando/Grogu scene in last episode of Mandalorian with his jokes while Matt really tried to get invested. Holden becomes a jerk for some reason i do not understand.
@@djdoc06 Personal opinion wich differs from mine 🤷🏻♂️
exactly
"Impactful" DCEU scenes? Which ones, out of curiosity?
Title of the video: My friend reacts to us shitting on Man of Steel
I don't know what I expected from this video to be honest..
They didnt shit on the movie tho, they all had something about the movie that they liked
Matt was making just as many jokes
@@thegodspeed5148 They didn’t even watch, just trash talk all the time
Young Clark - "Can we just pretend that I'm your son"
Pa Kent - "You are my son"
Ahh amazing moment!
I love how Matt loves the soundtrack as in my opinion one of the strongest soundtracks in modern comic book movies
Not gonna lie, Holden clowning the movie while Matt watches it for the first time was a little annoying, as it had the potential to make Matt's opinion slightly more negative. Don't dislike Holden by any means, nor do I think he shouldn't have a voice while they're watching it, but we are here for Matt's initial and unbiased reaction. He should probably just stick to speaking his peace about his personal gripes in the retrospective segments.
I feel exactly the same way. Also got annoying when he pointed out and explained the Jesus metaphors during the movie, that really got annoying
Good point. They avoid spoilers at the beginning, but making comments during can be just as bad. It would be different if none of them saw it and were making comments.
@@SpiderBatFan Holden’s pointing out the blatant and lazy Jesus metaphors is no more or less annoying than the blatant and lazy Jesus metaphors themselves.
PrizeFighter you may not like them but they’re not blatant and lazy and no it is more annoying, because he could’ve done that after the movie, instead he literally took Matt out of it multiple time’s to explain them
Again you may not like them, that’s fine, but don’t call them that of all things just because you don’t like them and want to use the strongest words you can think of to use against them, I don’t feel like getting into an argument especially over this kinda thing so just leave that part here please
@@SpiderBatFan naw. Holden turned it into something fun by pointing out Snyder’s lack of subtlety.
LOVE this movie. EDIT: I really don't know what people want superman to do, he can't get rid of Zod without fighting him and can't help people till Zod is gone. That's the point, is that he's being forced into a situation that's a loss either way.
I like to think back to other super hero films where they handed the same scenario and manage to do it. Feels like more of a struggle when their attention has to be split.
@@HeroDM77 Different heroes with different villains, well differently. And usually don't take on Thanos level villains like Zod without a team.
“Superman is too OP...”
I’ll be honest, he’s not. I’ve seen Superman get his butt kicked way more times than Batman has, and not being “weak” is also a huge disadvantage/weakness because he always goes in underestimating his enemies and often regrets it.
Also, the amount of death and destruction in this movie was very comic accurate and realistic. A LOT of people died, but it was either that or global annihilation.
He’s not OP, writers just don’t know how to properly use his weakness against him
It was also his first fight. Against people who are his physical equals but more trained. And who were also set on humanity's extinction. People seem to forget those things when they *whine* about how the fight in Metropolis went.
"Oh, why didn't he just lead Zod away?" Because Zod wouldn't have followed him. He just would have finished flattening the city.
@@TimedRevolver Even though Zod took him into space, the fight *still* came back to Metropolis lol
@@Maikigai Zod was always going to bring the fight back to Metropolis. Always. He was set on human extinction.
There have been multiple versions of Superman where massive collateral damage happened when he was starting out. Because he didn't know what he was doing.
Like in this case.
@@TimedRevolver Agreed.
I love everything about this movie. For me, it's 10/10. I love Jonathan Kent's portrayal in this. He isn't saying that Clark should have let the kids die, just that Clark has to consider the ramifications of people finding out the truth about him, and Jonathan wants to preserve his son for as long as he can, because he knows how people would react and he wants to protect him. Is it selfish? Maybe, but it's also very real and human. Of course a parent would want to protect their child from fear, ridicule, and persecution. And of course he knows Clark could have saved him during the tornado, but he still wanted to protect his son for as long as he could, believing it so much he was willing to die to protect him. And I love that scene for Clark, too. He knows he has the ability to save his father, but he has to choose not to in order to honor him. Jonathan never wanted Clark to not be heroic, he just wanted to make sure that Clark was ready to bear the responsibility and consequences. He always knew Clark would change the world. He just wanted to prolong it as long as he could, for his son's sake. I will never dislike anything about that.
when they watch BvS you have to explain the Matha scene to the people who still don't understand it. I just hope the like and understand BvS.
@@ethanerxleben6236 I will. I can pretty much guess already they're not going to like that scene. What I don't get is why people can see the depth in the MCU but not the DCEU. I like both, but to me, MCU is like fast food: it's quick and doesn't require much to get; but the DCEU is like a 5-course meal. There's layers upon layers, and if you get through them all, it's a much more rewarding experience. But that's just my personal tastes.
Just want to say, thank you, this explanation of Jonathan’s character in MoS is perfect. I always liked Jonathan here and for me he’s one of the best and definitely the most realistic father figures in any comic book adaption, because of how flawed he is. But I never fully understood why I liked him so much beyond that, now I do, so thanks
Also good to see you’ll explain the “Martha moment”, I honestly strongly dislike people that don’t understand that moment and/or make fun of it
@@TheBoondocksaint117 yeah they didn't understand especially Holden he really doesn't understand these movies.
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What's the point of a reaction from Frist time watchers if your just gonna joke at every serious scene and explain why you think those scenes are stupid to them. You should be quiet when someone is watching a film for the first time so they can absorb the film fully and form their own opinion which is hard to do when you keep joking in every serious scene and complaining about things you don't like. They may take something completely different from this movie than maybe what you did but if you tell them why it's stupid your taking that away from them and they will just see the movie the same way you see it which makes their opinions at the end of the video not really matter
Spot on.
Exactly. It’s a Marvel bias. I love the MCU but as fans we don’t have to put down DC
@@willmorrell488 Especially when this movie is better than 90% of anything in the MCU
@@endowbi2423 Hey I love the MCU as much as everyone, it’s one of the greatest accomplishments in the history of film. But this film simply has more depth, character and heart than most films in the MCU
@@BoringReviews Not everything is mcu vs dc. Just because they are fans of marvel doesn't mean anything. They have talked good things about many other dc movies, this movie just probab ly didn't stick with him.
If Matt uploaded these videos, they'd be called My Friend Talks While I'm Trying to Watch a Movie for the First Time.
i miss when these videos where just Matt and maybe one other person now every my friend watches needs to be a friggin watch along party.
@@evenhartwick4422 just skip to the parts with Matt if it’s such a big deal
I half agree. The humor adds a lot to the videos, but if its constant talking when the film is going on it takes away from the reaction, for me at least.
Well would ya look at that, Matt himself does not care, so shut up fanboys.
Man stfu
When y'all do bvs, do yourselves a favor and make it the extended edition.
Definitely
Yes definitely the ultimate edition
Both versions are shit so it's not worth it
@@killianmurphy3207 how is it shit?
@@killianmurphy3207 how is it shit x2
I think holden is taking on a lot of projects than he could handle
Friend watches WandaVision
Friend watches DCEU
Girlfriend watched MCU
Girlfriend watches The Clone Wars
Bonus: Holden reacting to WandaVision
That’s great for us viewers though xd
Got rank in those views 🤑
It’s also his job now and what he does full time. Either way though I assume just like anything else if he wasn’t loving it he wouldn’t be doing it!
thats not that much and its fine
If he were to just do 2 episodes for a vid every two weeks, that's like one hour of them watching Wandavision so they have a bit more time for a movie afterwards. It's his full time job so I respect the hustle and I don't think the quality of the content is going down
Yo was anyone else kinda irked by how much we was joking around in this movie I love the reactions but this one kinda ticked me off just let him watch
What’s the difference from the other videos?
@@parker9699 The movies Holden likes in these reactions, always shuts up but always talks when they’re doing a reaction with a movie he doesn’t like. Like we get it, u don’t like the movie, let Matt watch the movie
It seems like every person hated that. Me personally i didnt give 2 shits because if a movie isn't good he aint gonna sugarcoat. This video got way to much hate
I feel like Holden is making a joke of the DCEU, I love the movies but I understand people do not, I just feel like ur not giving the first time viewers a chance to have no preconceived notions
The only people making a joke of the DCEU is WB
Thats so true
@@jparikh13 In your opinion.
This is a film that’s aged incredibly well for me, I wasn’t a big fan of it the first time around and when I rewatched it last year I did a complete 180 and LOVED it. I think a recurring theme in Zack Snyder movies is that they come out at the wrong time. For example, I’ve seen a huge change in internet perception of Batman v Superman in the past year, specifically the Ultimate Edition.
agree. but i love MOS more than BvS
BvS (Ultimate Edition) is deadass my favorite comic book film of the last decade.
@@Gojirawars03 Damn im happy for you chief i wish it was the same for me
I seen many having that reaction, they saw the first time, and liked or didn't but then they re-watch a 2nd time they did an 180. I had the same reaction when they came out, but couple a days later I rewatch the Mos and BVS, and I was like, dude this is awesome.
I still don’t like a lot of the decisions he makes for his movies, and the biggest issue for me is how he portrays Batman. I fall on the “Batman never kills or uses a gun” camp, and there’s a lot to it as a reason for why I don’t think he ever should.
Superman and the morality of a superhuman that wants to be normal but has a responsibility to others is a powerful idea to tackle so I love how it’s treated here, even if I think Superman should have tried to save people more than he did here.
All in all, at the end they’re just movies, I just wish they went a slightly different direction...... and I don’t like them very much for the direction they went lol
Lol at Jen remembering Zod's name as Zed.
"Zed's dead, baby. Zed's dead."
U guys were just making jokes through the whole movie. So it feels like it wasn't taking seriously.
It’s kinda of a dog movie. They do it through most subpar movies. MCU included.
@@tehClew True, but Man Of Steel is really underrated and is the best DC movie we have now.
@@tehClew dog movie is abit harsh, but if dats ur opinion den fair enough.. but if there joking around wen matt hasn't seen it then he's not goin to take it serious from the start..
@@victorcapote7376 Better than Justice League and BvS, worse than Suicide Squad, Wonder Woman, Joker, Shazam! & Aquaman. I refused to see the shoddy insulting looking Birds of Prey movie that wasn't about the Birds of Prey, but guessing MoS was better than it too. Also haven't seen WW84 yet but have a feeling it's more watchable. As a Superman fan, though, I just found the film absolutely insulting to who Superman and the Kents are. Most prior DC movies before they started calling it DCEU also rank way higher for me, and that includes Superman Returns and Green Lantern.
@@bretts8070 I mean, I guess I see what you mean and how it was insulting. But they tried something different and I liked it. And I think it was better than Suicide Squad, because that movie has noticing CGI and a bad boss fight IMO, Wonder Woman was good, but didn’t feel as epic as I thought (and neither WW84), Aquaman was very good and Shazam! was great. But even if you find this movie insulting for the character of Superman, you have to admit the CGI was great, the flight scene was great, the soundtrack is spectacular, the fights were god-like and the way Krypton looked was great.
So this was just a roast session while Matt and Jenn watch for the first time....not cool guys
There your average marvel fans they makes fun of dc and in even post discussion pastor compared uncle Ben to pa Kent.when uncle Ben is kinda a copy of pa Kent
@@Snyderfan99 I get what you're saying but it's a respect thing,they never did it this bad with the MCU run...you can't tell me that all the joke cracking did not affect Matt and Jenn's viewing....it'll be interesting to see which version of BvS they watch as we all know the extended cut makes so much more sense from a storytelling standpoint
I agree one hundred percent.
@@Snyderfan99 Its not always "us v them"
@@Snyderfan99 i found that whole comparison with uncle ben and jonathan kent so stupid. They were acting like theyre supposed to be the same character 🤦♂️
I hope you watch the extended version of Batman V Superman, don't make Matt watch the short version.
Still bad lol
@@putalover4519 sure, but still a good improvement
@@putalover4519 its not bad, it is a solid 7.5/10 , the ultimate edition,
@@putalover4519 It's actually it's better for starters there isn't no cat that scratches someone's eye
@@putalover4519 cap as fuck
You should read the article about Snyder he did recently about how he is a foster father and he goes into the grief from his daughters passing to why he tells the stories he does. I feel you will understand his films way better if you did. It really makes you see them differently
Very sad
Ill start to understand his films, when he starts to understand these characters. Fair trade.
@@chand911 that sounds like you want the movie made a certain way just to please you.
I understand his vision even if I disagreed with some things like Batman killing but BvS gives hints to why he does kill sometimes he’s broken because I assume the joker killing robin but seeing Superman is a person who wants to help pulled him back from that so I’m okay with it now because I thought it was handled well
I think Clark was holding back in the sense that he didn’t want to kill Zod. We might think, “Come on, just kill him,” but Clark has never killed before. I think he was trying to stop Zod without killing him, but Zod was fighting to the death. I think that’s why Zod kept saying things like, “There’s only one way this ends, Kal!” Zod could tell Clark wasn’t fighting to the death, but Zod was. That family made Clark reconsider not because of who they were specifically, but because that’s when he accepted that Zod would never EVER stop. They can’t arrest him (we saw how well that went with Clark), and they have no place to keep him contained. That’s why Clark shouts “Stop!” And Zod says, “Never.” Clark realizes that killing Zod is the only way to stop him. You may not agree with Superman killing someone (I’m not sure how I feel about it), but I think the movie was trying to show us he wasn’t fighting to the death like Zod until that moment. That’s my two cents anyway! Great video!
“Clark has never killed before” 😂
What do you think happened when he needlessly flew into several buildings in a densely populated city, bro? It looked like super-9/11 by the time he was done.
@@spenser9908 He didnt flew, he was punched and fighting with a force he never had experienced before :) its a more realistic take on Superman with all its concequenses. Powerful like that a punch and a fight with a similar powerful being means destruction.
@@lucifer0247 No, he and Zod were throwing each other into buildings the whole time. Superman didn't think to take the fight elsewhere for some reason. But we're supposed to feel bad for him about killing Zod after he's blatantly killed thousands of people during the fight. Awful writing.
@@spenser9908 he couldn’t take the fight somewhere else lol and even if he tried Zod was still going to take the fight there because like he said “either you die or I will”
@@spenser9908 "Superman didn't think to take the fight elsewhere for some reason." Blatantly false, superman tried to take zod to space and then was punched right back down.
"But we're supposed to feel bad for him about killing Zod after he's blatantly killed thousands of people during the fight." Supes didnt kill them, Zod did. Superman just wasn't good enough to stop zod from doing so, which youknow, makes sense considering he's been superman for like less than a week during that fight sequence
Imagine how disappointed Holden would be at himself after he watches Zack Snyder's Justice League and realizes that he completely missed the whole point of these films.
Well that didn't happen so
But he didn't miss the point. Zach Snyder retroactively made Justice League as a response to both the critics and Warner Bros. execs before being pulled off of the film. Snyder honestly doesn't get the character, just like how Katheleen Kennedy doesn't get Star Wars, and made changes to fit his vision.
And the Synder Cut was an even bigger tweak filled with fan service. But it ultimately still failed to understand Superman. It's like the guy only read Frank Miller's Dark Knight returns, loosely read the Death & Return of Superman, then watched the cutscenes for Injustice and decided that those dark moments are what makes Superman. Though I still mostly blame Warner Bros execs and shareholders for not getting their act together to this day.
It's like comparing John Walker's Captain America to Steve Roger's Captain America. The dressing doesn't matter, it's not Superman and just because he (barely) attempted to change it later doesn't excuse 2 horrendous reimaginings that came in MoS and BvS.
@@lucariomew365 but if some people didn't like this portrayal of Superman, that doesn't mean it's bad. That's just their own opinion, just like other people really liked this take on the Man of Steel. By no means this is a bad movie because someone personally didn't like this Superman.
@@romancortes4376 Not to mention that Superman writers like Dan Jurgens loved those movies. So if anything, it might be the hater fans who misunderstood the character.
YOU HAVE TO SHOW BVS ULTIMATE EDITION.
WHY ARE WE YELLING?!
@@ochayethenoo I HAVE NO IDEA!
Its still bad though...
@@hiiamhi.23 not even close. 9/10
@@thorshk HA! Nice one
you guys were nitpicking entire time... its ok for mat, but holden? dude you should know these question... ofcourse if a kryptonian snaps the neck its different than a normal person
He was kidding
Matt mentioned in the Batman v Superman video that if it ever gets to the point where it might change his opinion or ruin his opinion, he'll say something.
Feels like they watched it jus to make fun of it ,
Really childish and immature comments in between the movie that could potentially ruin the mood of other audience and eventually put some peer pressure too when it comes to opinion....
Almost too late there. Don’t think anyone that watches Man of Steel is going in with an unbiased opinion, pretty much all media trashes it for some pretty stupid reasons, and a lot of people nowadays would rather listen to others than form their own opinion
Matt is a stranger to peer pressure, if he dislikes a movie the other like or vice versa he isn't afraid do say it.
God, Henry Cavill is a helluvan actor, that yell after breaking Zod’s knock was absolutely gut wrenching. Zack Snyder’s trilogy is just a nice 10 hour epic that as a whole flow so well (BvS Ultimate Edition and Snyder Cut)
For the criticism why he didn't try to save more people, he literally just got his suit just learned how to fly has no military combat fighting training, was able to hold his own against Zod, a general with combat training, until he got the advantage and got behind him, where he was able to break his neck.
If he would have tried to save more people, losing his focus on fighting Zod, Zod probably would have have won and killed everybody.
Yeah I really dont understand why people criticize it. Like the Smallville battle for example. That was the first time he had ever thrown a punch. It was the first time he had ever fought anyone, and his foes just happened to be highly trained elite Kryptonian soldiers with years of training. And I still cant believe people complain about him killing Zod. Zod said 10 minutes before that "I will make then suffer Kal, these humans you've adopted, I will take them all from you one by one". Zod was never going to stop killing people, and the only way to stop him was to kill him
EXACTLY !!Zod is a fearfull character that was born to do everything he can to protect his kind.He would not stop in an instant to kill as many people as possible to hurt supes, with the first probably being his mom. That's why he did not have a choice but to kill him and hate himself for doing it.
Superman saves the day. He didn’t save shit in this movie but me from having to endure another minute of this movie. Superman 1978 is one of the greatest superhero films in cinema. Man of steel was solid but it is far from a “masterpiece” or anything these fans claim this film is. If you think it’s a masterpiece that’s fine, it’s your opinion... but honestly I’d pick returns over this movie tbh.
@@somegeekguy how the fuck do you expect him to save people when he fighting zod 2 god like being fighting and if Clark tried to save people zod would easily just kill more the best thing for him to do was to fight zod movie is amazing but always got them haters who want everything to be sunshine like marvel
He still was not a try hard. Worst Superman movie.
Holden making fun of the movie throughout the reaction really annoyed me
Ruined some great moments for Matt
He wouldn't do that if its marvel
@@rashadwalker8218 ah yes the whole "hE's A mArVeL fAnBoY" narrative almost as if Holden never joked during Marvel movie
@@pawepetek7294 it’s okay to make jokes, just not in important moments
He made jokes because he knows most people don't like this film.
It annoyed me as well. Really important moments wasted for a first viewing...
I don't care what anyone says this movie is an underrated masterpiece.
Superman has KILLED so many TIMES before even In superman 2 he liked a human zod.
Btw that police station scene was a deleted scene so it's not canon.
The visuals the storyline making superman more human Is very very important.
Not that other’s haven’t already said it but Holden reign yourself in. Don’t be that guy who shits on movies while people view it for the first time. You’re corrupting the entire point of a first watch. I assume it’s not intentional but it comes across incredibly childish. If you find yourself unable to not make snarky jokes/comments during most of the important scenes of a movies then most of your audience would probably prefer you just not cover those films. That’s at least my opinion anyway
he's literally destroying the experience with these unfunny remarks.
Holden is a MCU fan so I’m not surprised he had those remarks
@@tarzangrant123 I'm an MCU fan and I like this movie. Holden is just a whiny shit.
@@TimedRevolver that’s because you’re mature, Holden is a clear MCU fanboy, his behavior during this video shows it! However it’s nice to see that people can like films from different universes and be objective. I’m not a fan of the MCU but I’m not gonna down it just because
Or like some, he just isn't a fan of the DCEU, or maybe not this movie. I do not like it either. Doesn't make him an MCU fanboy
I feel like sometimes Im the only person on Planet Earth who loves this movie. When JOR EL ( Top Scientist) just smashes ZOD (Top General) I was Locked In, When JOR EL tells KAL He would give us an Ideal to strive towards, We would race behind him, We would stumble and we would fall but in time we would join him in the Sun, I almost jumped out of my seat in the theater cheering when he launches into the Sky. I love this movie hands down and don't care if anyone else does. Henry Cavill IS KAL EL of Krypton! Also a huge Zack Snyder fan, I could watch the "WATCHMEN" once a month easy.
I Do Too. They went in to clown this movie instead of watching it and have their own opinions about it. They just kinda of piggy backed off each other opinions with slight changes. People done have to like the movie but i dont think at least in this viewing it was given a fair unbais review...in my opinion
When people complain about too much destruction when two god is fighting , that is when you know that they can't bring up any real critic about the movie so they try to create a stupid reason to hate it
@@davidkosiba624 dude exactly. They're trying to be all hip and nitpick the f out of this film instead of take it for what it is...a superhero movie. Sheesh.
You're not alone. Clowning jerkoffs just go out of their way to make us feel like isolated nerds for liking these things.
I can see it now
Matt: WHAT THE HELL IS A SNYDER CUT AND WHY IS IT SO LONG
Holden, buddy ive been watching you since your first few videos but sometimes can the comedy be reigned in a little? It just comes off forced and a attempt to be funny during the more dramatic moments, it was even worse during the more important scenes, i feel like when comments like that are made it ruins what the movie is trying to make you feel and what it's trying to convey. (Esp to matt since we want him to feel the movie and that must be difficult when everything is made into a joke, literally everthiing) By the comment section you can see that a lot of us were really looking forward to with anticipation for this review and it just seemed like it was made into a attempt of how many quips could you get out. Matt is sitting taking it in when you're just turning what is a dramatic scene into a personal stand up routine. It's all love man but damn, not really happy about it.
I was watching this on my TV where there isn't an option to read comments. I specifically loaded it up on my phone to see if people were just as annoyed as me by Holden constantly trying to be funny...
Not only are the jokes cringe but the whole point of a reaction video is to get the true reaction of someone experiencing that films intent. Not a 3rd party slapstick fest. Hope he learns from this and tones the eye rolling shit down. I also felt that the others were subconsciously getting annoyed with him piping in every minute to say something unfunny.
And now...
Holden has managed to completely butcher the viewing experience....
Yep.
sadly true
This is one of my favorite DCEU movies. It does have it flaws but the philosophy is so compelling and good. I honestly never get overwhelmed with the long final fight scene, I love it. And in regards to the final fight, the focus is on Zod and Superman but is also focused on the people in the ground. When you have 2 beings who are literally gods there’s going to be a lot of destruction. And it’s supposed to focus on one of the philosophy’s in the movie, which is kinda similar to Spocks “do the needs of the few outweigh the needs of the many”. And that question is going to have its consequences that Superman is going to have to face in the future. He’s a new superhero, he’s still learning what he can do and how he can control it. He’s gonna be a bull in a China shop and it’s gonna get messy. But as long as a few people are safe and alive, he feels he’s doing enough. And also in regards to Jonathan Kent’s death, look at it realistic if you can, if a person came all of a sudden and had god like powers, how do you think the people of earth would react to that? The reacted how they would when Zod came in. Full military reaction. This isn’t Christopher Reeves Superman. This is a Superman in a Post 9/11 world where we don’t trust what we don’t understand and we fear something that is out of our control. And finally in regards to him killing Zod, Superman doesn’t kill. He never has. He did once in the comics and it destroyed him. This isn’t Marvel. Iron Man kills. Superman does not. Yes civilians died but 1. He’s one man, he may be a god but he can’t be everywhere 2. He was preoccupied and 3. He knew he needed to stop the machines and Zod in order to save people This is DC. Different rules.
*Krypton explodes out of existence *
Matt:Nope they are not dead!
He's like : They will come back at some point.
Technically they did.
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@@themultiverseproductions8492 lol I forgot about that
Worst reaction you did ..... this non stop joking ruined everything. Too bad, was happy to hear you do that reaction.
Yeah, they kept joking around most of the time and did not get to experience it’s full potential. This movie is one of a kind and truly is a masterpiece.
"Where did you train... ON A FARM?!"
This movie is a masterpiece.
It is VERY important that you see the Ultimate Cut of Batman v Superman...and not the theater verson.
I think I'd be better if they watch both versions so they can compare which is better
@@lionelladvelino4795 every knows that the Ultimate Edition is better tho
you can't polish a turd just by calling it Ultimate Cut
yes very important cuz they cut alot of key plot points in the theater cut
Greatest comic book movie of all time
Re: Superman holding back.
They don't cover this in the films as much but it's an established fact in the comics that he is holding back constantly. There's a great moment in one of the Justice League stories where he confronts Darkseid and he does a speech basically outlining the fact that he usually fights with one hand tied behind his back, but Darkseid is one of the few creatures in the universe he can fully cut loose against.
Jeremy kind of misunderstood the final fight. He talks about how you care more about the innocent people dying than the main characters but that was the point. Zack Snyder said it himself that with two overpowered characters fighting, he wanted to make you feel the gravity of their actions. He wanted you to realize that when two god powered people fight there is going to be a lot of destruction and death. Making a fight like in the Avengers where they ignore people dying and the characters are fighting while smiling and throwing jokes is unrealistic.
Snyder went too far though. It makes Superman look callous and unconcerned with the innocent bystanders. Plus at a certain point it feels like spectacle with no substance. Cut the final fight down to 1/3 of the runtime and it might be decent.
@@nicolasbanks7871 actually Superman was concerned he try to take the fight outside of earth but Zod brought it back to the world. It was Zod keeping the fight in the city not Superman. But also if you seen the cartoon and read comics this happens a lot so why would people complain? Especially on a Superman who’s his first time wearing the cape.
@@nicolasbanks7871 Well if Superman would have stopped fighting to save innocent civilians than Zod would probably had taken advantage of Supe's compassion for humans as a way to kill more people while Supes was distracted. His goal was to stop Zod as quick as possible to avoid more fatalities in the long run. If Supes had stopped to save a few lives than Zod could have killed many many more in the mean time.
Also, I don't see why you're saying the fight was bad. It's one of the visually best superhero fights that I have seen anywhere. The fight is also already pretty short. It literally lasts like 10 minutes... It's ridiculous. People complain about this fight being too long while we have fights in movies like Avengers Endgame where the final fight lasted for like a solid 30 minutes. And Inifinity War the final fight was like an hour almost... There is clearly a double standard when it comes to Zack's DCEU movies and the MCU movies.
@@TitanLRV You're writing the script for Snyder and Goyer. There are ways to have Superman save civilians and still win somehow, but it's not my job to say what they are. My point is that I don't know what this Superman stands for. There are conflicting messages and Clark's line "Krypton had its chance" carries no weight. Why does he care enough about humanity to doom his own race to extinction? I don't know. The lack of care for civilians just compounds that issue.
About the final fight length, I'm not the one making comparisons to Avengers movies. But the fight in MoS feels longer because (1) it's almost entirely punching and buildings collapsing, and (2) it has less emotional weight. Again, I don't understand Clark's character and motivations enough in MoS to care whether he wins or loses. The complaint is less about literal runtime and more about the writing.
Since you brought up Infinity War, while the action takes up more runtime than MoS, I'm more invested in the fight and its outcome because the characters are extremely well-developed. I was worried about Tony Stark when Thanos stabbed him. Vision's head being cracked like an egg was a tragedy. I can't honestly say that I'd care if Lois Lane got crushed by one of the (many) falling buildings in MoS.
I get the sense that Snyder wanted to have his cake and eat it too. As in he wanted spectacular fight scenes without emotional investment.
I agree that the movie looks great, but that doesn't make it compelling.
I don't hate MoS. It has some nice details. But the execution falls flat. I actually love Snyder's take on Batman, but he was the wrong person to direct a Superman movie, unfortunately.
@@nicolasbanks7871 I disagree because Batman v Superman addresses the destruction of Metropolis in a pretty major way. If this was a standalone movie though i'd completely agree with you that the damage was ridiculous.
So, not to be that guy, but you are gonna watch the ultimate edition of BVS, right?
I knew the comment section was going to be more serious/annoyed about any jokes made during the watch since DC movies usually stir that type of comment section. No hate, I love this movie... just usually how it goes. Good discussion after the movie!
Not trying to be mean, but the seemingly constant quipping from you, Holden, is kinda grating. I get you don't take this movie seriously, I don't really either, but it's distracting, I imagine especially for your friends who haven't seen the movie, and I'm sorry to say not that funny. I noticed it during "My gf watches Iron Man" too, and it feels like a recent thing. I just want to say that there's no need to put on a show like that, your more genuine reactions, commentary and occasional joke were good as they were.
Apologies for the complaints, I really like your channel so thanks for all the entertainment.
I always felt that Jonathan Kent was struggling too. Like he truly believed in helping others and doing your best, but loved this miracle child so much that he was trying to suppress that to make sure he stayed safe. Him sacrificing himself to save others was him giving into that part of it and a final lesson for his son in what he really felt.
I wish other people would see it that way
I love superman but what makes him more special than most is not his powers, it's the captain america attitude, the way he was raised, the experiences he went through, his beliefs and more.
I think the point if Cavills Superman is his development into the "big blue boy scout". Its something that most other iterations skip over, and he usually feels like he has no development. I really appreciated that they made him inexperienced and much more human than ever before
@@icemav5740 True and if you really want to see the development of how he becomes superman, just watch smallville. They did a fantastic job with the whole relationship aspect between clark and his parents.
@@icemav5740 that’s because Superman Boy Scout attitude is a product of how he was raised and not of him being a superhero. That’s where MoS fails big time
@@mercutioescalus6782 I think it's you who fails
@@mercutioescalus6782 No. Superman's Boy Scout attitude was a product of the times in which he was rebooted. 1986, Superman became the Big Blue Boyscout, prior to that, you had Bronze Age Superman, who was hella arrogant, Silver Age Superman who was a real dick and Golden Age Superman who was damn near villainous in how he acted. I will elaborate beginning with Golden Age Superman. Superman was found by Mary and Jonathan Kent, soon to be renamed Martha and Jonathan. He was taken to an orphanage and left for several days until Jon and Mary came back to adopt him. He came to Metropolis in 1938 after Ma and Pa had died. He was aggressive, tough, arrogant and cared NOTHING for damage done to criminals or property even when said property had nothing to do with criminal behavior. Superman lost a friend to a car accident so he went around stealing people's cars and sticking them on their garage roofs. He stormed into a radio broadcast while it was on the air, took over and demanded that people stop driving and then he smashed through the wall to leap away. He found a bunch of people living in slums and just burned down the slums so the owner would have to build better homes, with no thought towards where all the now homeless people will stay. He routinely threw criminals several yards through the air towards the paddy wagon with no concern if they broke bones.
Silver Age Superman, Ah, Silver Age, when Superman was made ridiculous thanks to the Comics Code Authority. I will simply refer to Superdickery.com for everything that Silver Age got up to.
Bronze Age Superman was very arrogant, he told Martian Manhunter to hand over a key that Mongul wanted and Martian Manhunter said no so they fought. Supes easily beat MM and MM warned him of what would/could happen if Mongul got the key. Superman blew off MM's concerns with, "I'm Superman." as if that was all that was needed. Supes lost the key and had to eat a little crow, but he was still arrogant about it. Wolverine has his famous line, "That's my job, that's what I do, and I'm the best at what I do." That was Superman's attitude throughout the Bronze Age.
Modern Age Superman, the one rebooted in 1986, was the All American boy, football, baseball, track star with a genius intellect through his school career, using his powers to put himself ahead until he became a senior and finally realized that he was not being fair to the boys that actually worked hard to play. He quit and decided to be a better person. He left school after graduation and traveled the world experiencing different cultures before returning home and moving to Metropolis.
So stupid how they just kept trying to make jokes during every scene
Because the film is a joke.
Gotta find a way to entertain yourself.
@@spenser9908 a lot of people say otherwise
@@SupremoJVT If that were the case, you'd have gotten a MoS 2 and not the desperate damage control BvS, which brought in Batman hurriedly to make up for how poorly received that shitshow MoS was lol.
@@spenser9908 that movie was so good-
He said the Martha Kent elementary school scene fell flat..... sir your mother must have not loved you because almost everyone with a loving mama connected with that scene and her message along with her actions towards her “son”
Don't get too personal just because someone doesn't like your shitty superhero movie lol.
Agreed and @Spenser your opinion is shitty.
“You don’t like my movie so your parents didn’t love you!”
Oof man I forget when youtubers get popular we get shit like this in the comments.
Fun fact: the "Jor-El, by the name of General Zod" voice is Henry Cavill 🤗.
People still have an issue with destruction but when avengers do it, it’s no issue....😑
Did you see Avengers blowing buildings up? No. Avengers were defending a city and evacuated the civillians while Superman just flies through multiple buildings which collapse on hundreds of people lol
I mean its always an issue in superhero stuff least the MCU acknowledged it in Cap civil war, it does bother me that Superman in this didn't try to make an effort to save more people like he could have taken Zod or lead them to a desert area instead of the city
Did you just skip over Civil War?
Exactly. Like New York was literally a cemetery at the end of avengers with no mention of it and nobody said shit. I mean infinity war used Thanos ship like it was the world engine and people still said nothing.
@@Narutoanime16g it was his first day as a superhero. It’s not like he dealt with any super powered beings before.
Holden gotta understand that every movie doesn't have to be filled with funny one liners and bathos like MCU. You gotta watch movies with sincerity.
I don’t get the point of view that Jeremy had regarding the ending fight scene about all the people bystanders being injured or killed during the fight. Them same regarding the argument in the MCU about the sokovia accord. If the super heroes don’t fight the bad guys, the bad guys take over and kill and torture and imprison even more or all. So I understand the concern but the logic is not there. :)
and they blamed superman for the destruction at the beginning of the world engines fight. But Superman was on the other side of the world stopping the one there, Superman couldn't save the people in Metropolis and he snapped Zods neck because Zod said he would never stop harming the humans and Superman didn't want that so the only way to stop him was kill Zod.
Yep. Doesnt make sense, its like complaining that there was civilian casualties stopping the nazis. Yes it sucks but its better than the alternative. Also not done on purpose.
DCEU massively underrated. It's not as streamlined or reaches as many peaks as the MCU, but it is good in its own right.
Would love a My friend watches:
- The Amazing Spiderman
- The Karate Kid franchise
- Blade Trilogy
- Hellboy
- Kung Fu Panda
- Doctor Who (a big commitment I know)
I think it's a little silly to complain about the civilian deaths at the end of the movie. What was Superman supposed to do, try and save every single person while Zod was destroying more buildings? The best solution there was to stop Zod as soon as possible.
Also, it's hypocritical because no one cares about the millions of people that died on the death stars or in any of the MCU 3rd acts that take place in cities.
I think it's the movie's lack of focus on civilians causing the issue people have, not just that people die.
Somewhat valid, But typically during Marvel movies they have evacuation scenes or scenes where characters go out of their way to stop civilian death. Also if superman Is strong enough to snap Zod’s neck, and smart enough to read Plato in middle school. I don’t think it’s a stretch of the imagination that superman could’ve taken some action to at least TRY and get Zod out of the city
@@Wlof25 Personally I disagree with the assumption that there was NOTHING Clark could’ve done to minimize damage to the city. Even with Zod’s goal to cause destruction, Zod and SM were pretty evenly matched, so it’s not a matter of could Superman get Zod out of the city, but did Superman even try, that was the problem. I don’t think this is necessarily Clark’s fault I think this is a problem with the script.
@@Wlof25 Just beat him into the atmosphere. Or keep the battle in Smallville rather than taking it to the city. Clark doesn’t even seem to care that he and Zod just cause the deaths of 5,000.
@@AD-zp4pd Um... they DID go out of the city. They went to Space. But they eventually were brought right back down.
The "maybe" dialogue was meant to be an impossible question for Johnathan Kent to answer. His real answer was "Maybe....there's more at stake here than just our lives Clark and the lives of those around us."
This movie is for me a 10 out of 10. Didn't feel to long for me. Maybe the best and most underated Superheromovie. But that is just my opinion.
I feel the same way, i absolutely love it! The score by Hans Zimmer, the tribute to christopher Reeves, the action scenes i love absolutely everything about this movie..BvS not so much..and everything that came after...The studio really fucked up something that could have been good if they just would have taken their time..like Batman after Man of Steel and then Man of steel 2 and maybe an other movie before going in to BvS and Justice league..
You’re not alone
Honestly I prefer this over some marvel movies
Great video.
I can't say this is my favourite Superman movie, but I know exactly where Snyder was going with this and he kind of succeeded if you think about it. Yes, some elements are janky and make little sense if you analyze it, but they can all be explained (it's what they did with the sequels actually, used them to explain some things the audience didn't get and was complaining about).
For me, the death of many vs death of few is shifting, depending on point of view. Until that final showdown with Zodd on the ground with people in the building only a few meters away they were, in Kal's mind, equal variables. Because he did not see them their value was constant as an anonymous human being. It has been touched on in animated movies and shows as well as in original comics, that even he can't save everyone, only those in front of him. And that's what the last scene of the fight is, really. He's been doing it the entire movie, but you only see the impact of it at the end, where yes, he tries to save mankind as a whole, but he only goes beyond his strict code when he is about to have a major PTSD from when his dad died, by witnessing innocent people die in front of him, and him being able to stop it and not doing it. That is why he killed Zodd, and why those people on the ground next to him meant more at that moment than the entire Kryptonian race in Codex or even entire human race he already decided to protect from Zodd and his goons...
Sorry about the lengthy comment :P Can't wait for the rest of DCEU.
Great comment. Thanks for the insightful take.
I left a comment explaining this as well. Brilliantly worded
Most underrated movie of its decade honestly.
From a film making standpoint it was visually and musically fantastic, but from a writing standpoint it was mediocre.
@@Kronical69420 nah you just don’t understand the movie clearly then
@@luckyraygun1607 😂 Yeah no. TLOU2 is an underrated masterpiece.
No the movie is garbo
Can't say that I got much enjoyment out of all you guys talking throughout the movie and ripping it apart.
I find it interesting to hear people say that Superman has no real weaknesses when he has the worst weakness of the lot; his empathy. His desire to save people and keep them safe is his weakness and it feels like the people who make Superman movies don't really get that because how do you not have villains who try to exploit that. It almost feels like Joker would be a better villain for Superman rather than someone who can withstand Superman's punches.
People really need to stop comparing dc and marvel there both different things.sure both companies copied each other sometimes
More one than the other.
@@thereisnopandemic well one is over 20+ years older
I’ll be honest, I’m a hardcore Marvel fanboy. With that being said I don’t understand the hate MoS gets. I really like it a lot and I even like BvS. I wish they could keep what they have going with these characters and the actors seeing as how Cavill probably isn’t going to be Superman anymore and Affleck obviously isn’t Batman. I wish it would’ve worked out.
Most of the hate from mos was just critics complaining about the destruction and zods death. I always say it was his first day on the job he really didn’t know what to do
It was awful. Contrived writing. Terrible characterisation. Shaky cam. Pretentious.
Man of Steel is great. The shit that goes on in this movie, is exactly what Superman needed to make him the Superman the world needs.
@@spenser9908 Care to elaborate? You're just stating words that are meaningless without anything to back them up..
@@Snyderfan99 even then big ass destruction isn’t really addressed much in mcu until civil war and then not really anything after. Tons of smiles and jokes everywhere while people are dead everywhere. Nobody ever shit talks those.
Matt is getting more patient with movies and I love to see it. Much more enjoyable to watch.
Regarding pa kent death : Father instincts, no dad will allow his child to walk into the danger.
Yep, that and wouldn’t want his son taken away from him
Matt’s DCEU watch:
Man of Steel ✅
Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice
Suicide Squad
Wonder Woman
Justice League
Aquaman
Shazam!
Birds of Prey (and the Fantabulous Emancipation of one Harley Quinn)
Wonder Woman 1984
he should watch the Ultimate Edition of BvS
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Yes
Affleck's bare ass would make all the difference in the world
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What's the Difference between Ultimate edition and Theatrical cut?
@@atharwamalawade259 Batman’s butt man
@@atharwamalawade259 30 minutes of extra footage that helps the narrative immensely in Superman’s motivations for going after Batman among other things including an R rating. Warner Bros. wanted it to be 2 and a half hours and forced Zack to cut the movie up which detracted from it quite a bit, and the Ultimate Edition reinstated that footage.
MCU, DCEU, Wandavision, Clone Wars all around the same time...
Am I dreaming?
Did you say clone wars!? Whennnn!
@@whatsnerdypodcast3649 he started watching it with Jen, they’ve just done one video atm but there’s more coming up
The worst thing about the DCEU is that they wanted it to build off of the Dark Knight trilogy, and the two Chris' said LOL NO.
OMG IVE WAITED SO LONG FOR THIS
Edit: oh thank god he liked it. Btw Holden when you get to BvS, the Ultimate Edition is the way to go. The theatrical is a mess with that 30 minutes of missing footage
They both are messes
Note that Johnathan Kent didn’t say he shouldn’t have saved the bus. He quietly said maybe, cause he doesn’t know.
What makes Superman interesting is that sometimes he can’t save the day. What I hate is that Johnathan Kent, a father figure he (somehow) loved dies in this movie from something that Superman can stop, and in a lot of source material, he dies from a heart attack. Superman can’t stop that. No matter what. It brings him down to earth, instead of making him a god
This was a very good reaction video. The critique game has grown in each of you... Impressive, most impressive.
The length of the movie does effect the story. (Zac Snyder is known for too much time length in his films).
I thought this was a somewhat fresh retelling of the origin story of Superman. 7.5 score and is rewatchable.
I feel like Matt will actually enjoy Batman v Superman, especially if you show him the Ultimate Edition and not the theatrical cut.
Lol no there's no saving that shit movie
Ultimate Edition way better 100%
The ultimate edition is literally the same movie with a bunch of scenes that don't fix or enhance the worst parts of the theatrical. It's just longer but not better. The same things that most people hate about it are still there. Matt still might like it but I don't get how people think the UE just fixes every problem in it because it really doesn't
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@@jacobblackburn1379 'Save Martha' still ruins it😂
Matt: This series looks like it’s good. I think i will continue with it in the future.
Holden and his editing computer: Goddamnit
I didn't mind you showing the clips for Superman and Superman 2 tbh. Just surprised the videos didn't get taken down since it shows quite a bit of the movie with no resizing 😂
omg matt actually didn't hate the movie...Im glad I was sitting down for this ...that took alot out of me
I’ve said this a bunch, but Michael Shannon being in this reminded me of how you need to see Knives Out!
Matt is saying essentially what Batman meant in BvS.
I think he might like that one.
Not if he knows the og character and good films
The OG character? You mean the one who carried around a gun a shot people?
Right, there are things we need to address.
23:40 “There’s almost no stakes”.
Zod said “If you don’t kill me, I will kill everyone on this planet.” Zod just had his sole purpose for existing ripped away from him from both Superman and the humans who aided him in destroying the Kryptonian ship (which represented the last chance at survival for Kryptonians). He’s got nothing to lose, and has 2 emotionally charged and compelling reasons to destroy Superman and the human race.
26:38 “Having Superman fight this claw for 15 mins, I didn’t care about that”.
If you didn’t like that fight sequence ok, but it’s not supposed to be an easy fight for Supes. Lois literally said to Clark that the World Engine was generating a Krypton atmosphere around it, and it would make him weaker. That’s the whole point of what Jor-El said earlier to Supes “the only way to know how strong you are is to keep testing your limits”. The weight of a Kryptonian gravity weapon on him, and he pushes through and destroys the World Engine, and saves the Earth in that moment. IMO, that’s an incredibly satisfying arc in the movie, and an iconic Superman moment on screen.
Also, please don’t compare Jonathan Kent with Uncle Ben. Superman and Spider-Man are so vastly different, it makes the argument redundant to say that J.Kent isn’t like Uncle B. Uncle B has a teenage human nephew with spider powers. J.Kent has an adopted alien son with the power to destroy the world. Any logical parent/person who has Superman for a son, would do everything to make sure they don’t draw any attention to themselves or their son. The fear J.Kent has about humans reacting to Clark, is later justified when the Army literally handcuffs him, and then literally shoots bullets and missiles at him when they don’t have control of him, even when Supes is trying to protect the people.
The criticism of Superman’s actions costing the lives of the people of Metropolis is also a classic trope of the lazy criticism this movie gets. You’re arguing that Superman has to fight all the Kryptonians, destroy the World Engine, and co-ordinate a mass evacuation of the city at the same time? Never mind the fact that it’s Zod and the Kryptonians responsible for causing all those deaths. If you’re referring to the Supes vs Zod battle, then ok Supes could do more to move the battle away from the city, but once again I refer back to Zod literally saying “I’m going to take them (humans) all away”, Zod purposely fights Supes in an area where more humans will die as a result of collateral damage from the fight. Even Zod’s fighting style shows this when he grabs Supes cape and swings him around into loads of buildings which likely caused more human deaths.
Also the Zod neck snap is something that’s nitpicked. Zod says he will never stop killing humans, and nothing/no one else can stop him except Superman. Superman has to make the ultimate act of saving and sacrificing. He saves mankind from a planet-killing threat, but makes himself the last member of his species. There’s no way out of that problem except killing Zod. And Superman is completely devastated by what he’s had to do, because it’s a decision no one should have to make, but only he can. There’s no phantom zone projection anymore since they used it to get rid of the other Kryptonians, and there’s no kryptonite (yet), so there’s no scenario where Superman can win. He even begs Zod to stop, because he still doesn’t want to do it. He finally realises what Jor-El meant about how Krypton failed as a society because they thought of themselves as superior above all life. Zod was a continuation of that, and once again shows why Supes had to stop Zod once and for all.
I hope this addressed some of the problems you had with Man of Steel, but regardless you watched the movie, and I’m happy you watched it.
a discussion was needed to uncover what this movie is about - ideas like the codex being a "magical mcguffin" could also be interpreted as a visual representation of the kryptonan sciences genetic breeding program - they believed that the earlier kryptonians were the best, superior stock and kal el (superman) proved that not true - he was a naturally breed, evolved kryptonian.
I never understood why millions of people dieing at the end of this movie is a big deal but no one complains about the end of Avengers
Because the Avengers didn't smash the buildings killing everyone and they were evacuating the cities lol there will always be someone dead or hurt but at least Avengers weren't blowing up the whole city
@@pawepetek7294 And Clark was destroying those building on purpose? He was trading to stop the bad guy and obviously there was going to be colateral demage. The battle on the first avengers movie left half of NY destroyed too and that doesn’t mean it was their fault.
@@betzabeth.2864 Yeah but the portal of Chitauri was just above NYC so they had no choice but to fight there while Superman could have just taken Zod to fight with him far away from the city to make sure everyone's safe but instead he decided to just keep on fighting in the city lol
@@pawepetek7294 what? He took the fight to space then Zod forced him back
@@pawepetek7294 Superman didn’t destroy any buildings tho and the avengers are a team of 6 while here it’s just one guy