Dmac is a world class 15 and a decent 10. Barrett is the same but slightly better at both. As 10 is more influential put BB at 10 and Mackenzie at 15. When moonga comes back then he goes to 10, BB goes to 15 and McKenzie wears the 22 jumper
At last an episode that was actually worth listening to! Please please drop JK and Jeff and have these three! Literally 100% better episode. Beaver is incredible articulate and delivers a fact based assessments that’s driven by doing some homework before coming on compared to the arrogance of Jeff and JK who swan in with big egos and opinions with zero preparation!
Mills muliana has always been level headed, as a saffa I have the greatest respect for him never biased in his opinion and criticism of his own team, Jeff and John is why nz rugby is stagnating, John was a coach and was pathetic @ it Jeff for me was a flash in the pan
Still dying on the same hill: - DMac isn’t our starting 10 - best back 3 is Caleb 11, Jordan 14, Jordie 15. - Havili and Bell don’t belong in the squad. - Mark over Sevu Every. Single. Time.
Surprised they didn’t mention the line out. That was NZ biggest weakness in the summer, they just couldn’t win a ball to save their life. England are almost certainly going to play chessum at 6 giving them 3 second rows on the pitch. The lineout pressure is going to be insane, either they have the get the line out sorted or avoid touch as much as possible.
They've cleaned it up quite well although questions still surround the reserve hooker. But the locks are going well and Satiti has been another option that has gone well also.
@@Hatunrumioc agreed. NZ lineout by the end of RC was probably the most improved area. Still a couple of creaks tho and itoje is one player who consistently messes with int'l lineouts
They have to turn up in the 2nd half. I'm a Kiwi living in the Highlands of Scotland who watched the AB'S get slaughtered by SA at Twickenham last year, paid for premium tickets. I'm not going this year a) because london is a dump b) Twickenham isn't fit for purpose and c) I don't want to witness our AB'S ever go through another scathing at Twickenham. England have elevated their game to be formidable opponents again, the trouble with NZ is the expectation, the AB'S will automatically win. Unless this selection is capable of turning up for the 2nd half, we won't so, get your northern hemisphere game on, because the play and the crowd are very different, they will, and are already being highly critical of our AB'S, so prove them wrong.
Spoken like a true Celt, Twickenham, is an over priced shit ridden dump filled with the wosts of englands rich pricks. Hopefully you cna make it to better places come the 6 nations, greeting from Wales
French here... are they any English watching Top14?! Jack Willis is one of the best players over there and really loved by French fans. You are missing a magnificent guy...
We are watching and it’s a real shame. Our league isn’t as well set up/profitable as yours and there’s a good chance we will lose more players to the French league 😢
Englishman here, i think england will lose narrowly at the weekend (Borthwick is refusing to pick some younger stronger props, we never learn) . These games tend to be fairly close now and obviously hope England win but i think the Kiwis are more polished than in June and will get a lead and, just, keep it. Dublin and Paris will be a level higher still. Enjoy the game
@@Bill-bn2ew Thank you my friend, but maybe you're underestimating this English side. Very typically English of you. That isn't a criticism BTW, it's admiration. Thank you x
I expect New Zealand to beat a still evolving England team this weekend. However, it’ll be a completely different situation against Ireland and France, both of whom should win, with a score or two to spare.
England have not played as well though. I think it will be a really tough test. The UK media is its usual, trying to make out that England will be beaten by NZ. They always talk down England, on purpose I think. I would not be surprised in the slightest if England beat NZ, haha. A lot in NZ would be, because they are, over-expectant of NZ.
I do not think they are talking down England on purpose. On top of being champions at self-bashing England media and fans alike do not like Borthwick even if his hair would grow again making him look like Jesus!!
@@UzMadBro When you say 'a lot in NZ would be because they are over-expectant in NZ', I'm guessing you're not from NZ. Your statement is more of a platform for your disgruntled state of being in NZ. If you hate my Country so much, move on out, we don't need either your ignorance nor intolerance of our customs and ways of living. You know where the nearest airport is, so why don't you simply pack your bags and move?. My Country is the most welcoming place on planet earth, so I'm sorry you can't make it in NZ, go somewhere else and see how you fare. Never spit on the Country kind enough to take you in, because we will always spit you out.
The UK Media do the exact opposite, which Media are you referring to? Oh, silly me, you all live in a Murdoch created narrative and have no conception of what it is to challenge the narrative you're all fully signed up to. Call out any so-called Journo in NZ, and we all get an echo chamber.
@@hafidkouloun6405 lol. I think England look good, and this game is to tight to call. I am a Kiwi, but unlike many Kiwi, I am realistic and pretty down the line with my views. Like why is Havili in the ABs squad. I have been asking this for several years. Others too, that should not be their, but they are. It takes the Kiwi public a year or so to catch on to the fact I was right, haha. Like the look of England. NZ, well, this year, been a bit patchy. I was very disappointed with the South Africa tests, because for sure NZ should really have come away with 1 win their. I will say this about NZ, they are young, like England are young. Obnoxious Ireland are an aging side and I see them beginning to fall down over the next 12-18 months. I anticipate that NZ and England will be duelling it out for rank 1 spot within the next 12 months, is how I see it.
@@UzMadBro ABs always turn up in big occasions! Remember every one were writing them off in the 2023 RWC and they manage to turn up in the final. The loss of the two best lock combination in the world Whitelock and Retalick and a playmaker like Mounga at 10 has hindered their progress so far but one these are fixed they will become unplayable.
Scrum good, lineouts good, but our defense around those areas is wanting. We need to get our line out and scrum defense sorted out as it will be targeted. England just watched Japan get results there and surely they will try attacking 8- 9-10 space. Been a glaring weak point for a while now. Kicking in general play also needs work. Counter attack as usual very good.
Some thoughts : Dmac has to grin to relax himself before kicking . There’s better temperaments out there. I wouldn’t trust that head to organise and control order at number 10. Just my opinion.
Cam roygard needs to start most go forward ball with calib Clark and Anton lenord brown will open up space for line breaks and creat front foot ball. No front foot ball and breaking through the advantage line they will not win .
I am so glad that John Kirwin and Jeff Wilson are not in your studio they should be banned from the Break Down years back the Springboks won in Eden Park the house of pain when the Springbok Pieter Roussow scored between the posts no press or any media were allowed to interview when they closed the doors All Blacks cannot take the punch when they loose to The Springboks no respect I am a South African will always support our players what a disgrace!!! 😡
Got to be honest, as far as all black sides go, this is a bang average one(for them) think England,france and ireland could all get the better of them.
Basic and short-sighted and all one way. Balance your views. The English haven't played a test. Now the roles have reversed. So advantage ABs? Theoretically, yes. But that's not how it panned out for the poms when they arrived in NZ. I still expect the ABs to win however, even if it doesn't play out that way.
One year and week and since SA beat England by a single point, and a year and 2 weeks since SA beat France by a single point (via a very dubious conversion charge down….) Anything else you’d like to see celebrated in a NZ rugby show?
The AB's will lose in all test matches in Europe, playing England at home is a different ball game to playing England in NZ and as New Zealanders again we underestimate teams like England. NZ is not the great, feared rugby nation of the past the Northern Hemisphere game has caught up and pasted the Southern Hemisphere game in both International games and domestic comps. Look at SA teams playing in European comps not in Super Rugby.
Not really? England may not be seeing results but they’re improving. The positives are starting to outweigh the negatives for them; All Blacks are a different story.
When are kiwis gonna admit they just don’t have a great side, they’ve ruined their domestic competition, and quite simply they’re a long way from being “special” as they once were
When is the world going to admit that if NZ were to devolve in this game, the world of Rugby will devolve with it? Let’s be honest and acknowledge the most influential factor in European Rugby’s development: Graham Henry, Steve Hansen, Jamie Joseph, Joe Schmidt, Vern Cotter, Pat Lam, Tony Brown, Warren Gatland, Dave Rennie, Wayne Pivac, Simon Mannix, Chris Boyd, Todd Blackadder, John Plumtree, Tom Coventry, Mark Hammet, Milton Haig, John McKee, Kieran Crowley, Jono Gibbes, Brad Mooar, Tabai Matson, John Mitchell. NZ Rugby does not have clarity in how it wants to operate… but it will… very soon… just watch.
No mention of the other SA WC victories, or the recent TRC win, geez, you’d almost think this is a New Zealand rugby show…. 1000 apologies to the most arrogant sports fans in history - Springbok supporters.
Dmac is a world class 15 and a decent 10. Barrett is the same but slightly better at both. As 10 is more influential put BB at 10 and Mackenzie at 15. When moonga comes back then he goes to 10, BB goes to 15 and McKenzie wears the 22 jumper
moanga should start backed by Barrett ,McKenzie 15
At last an episode that was actually worth listening to! Please please drop JK and Jeff and have these three! Literally 100% better episode.
Beaver is incredible articulate and delivers a fact based assessments that’s driven by doing some homework before coming on compared to the arrogance of Jeff and JK who swan in with big egos and opinions with zero preparation!
Yep, thats the A team right there
Completely agree. Beaver’s analysis was excellent. We have never seen that before on this show
To be fair, Wilson seemed to me to always be totally prepared and certainly knows his rugby.
Refreshing to have three people who are more interested in the rugby than in the sound of their own voice.
Mills muliana has always been level headed, as a saffa I have the greatest respect for him never biased in his opinion and criticism of his own team, Jeff and John is why nz rugby is stagnating, John was a coach and was pathetic @ it Jeff for me was a flash in the pan
Great analysis. Great panel.
Still dying on the same hill:
- DMac isn’t our starting 10
- best back 3 is Caleb 11, Jordan 14, Jordie 15.
- Havili and Bell don’t belong in the squad.
- Mark over Sevu Every. Single. Time.
Surprised they didn’t mention the line out. That was NZ biggest weakness in the summer, they just couldn’t win a ball to save their life. England are almost certainly going to play chessum at 6 giving them 3 second rows on the pitch. The lineout pressure is going to be insane, either they have the get the line out sorted or avoid touch as much as possible.
Chessum is out. He's out for atleast 3 months. Ted Hill came in to take his spot in the team that was announced today.
They've cleaned it up quite well although questions still surround the reserve hooker. But the locks are going well and Satiti has been another option that has gone well also.
@@Hatunrumioc agreed. NZ lineout by the end of RC was probably the most improved area. Still a couple of creaks tho and itoje is one player who consistently messes with int'l lineouts
@@alanb9443 Well said.
Is it me or do the second rowers of the allblacks lack MONGREL ?
They have to turn up in the 2nd half. I'm a Kiwi living in the Highlands of Scotland who watched the AB'S get slaughtered by SA at Twickenham last year, paid for premium tickets. I'm not going this year a) because london is a dump b) Twickenham isn't fit for purpose and c) I don't want to witness our AB'S ever go through another scathing at Twickenham. England have elevated their game to be formidable opponents again, the trouble with NZ is the expectation, the AB'S will automatically win. Unless this selection is capable of turning up for the 2nd half, we won't so, get your northern hemisphere game on, because the play and the crowd are very different, they will, and are already being highly critical of our AB'S, so prove them wrong.
Spoken like a true Celt, Twickenham, is an over priced shit ridden dump filled with the wosts of englands rich pricks. Hopefully you cna make it to better places come the 6 nations, greeting from Wales
French here... are they any English watching Top14?! Jack Willis is one of the best players over there and really loved by French fans. You are missing a magnificent guy...
We are watching and it’s a real shame. Our league isn’t as well set up/profitable as yours and there’s a good chance we will lose more players to the French league 😢
Englishman here, i think england will lose narrowly at the weekend (Borthwick is refusing to pick some younger stronger props, we never learn) . These games tend to be fairly close now and obviously hope England win but i think the Kiwis are more polished than in June and will get a lead and, just, keep it. Dublin and Paris will be a level higher still. Enjoy the game
It seems England and All Blacks are struggling with the same problems.Refusing to pick younger and stronger players 😂
Their younger props can’t scrum, if set piece is shot your stuffed besides they won’t feed de groot and lomax fresh meat😂
@@diggyzeus186 well they just rolled over France and SAs scrum to win the U20 WC, but typical kiwi not looking past their own farm gate!
@@Bill-bn2ew Thank you my friend, but maybe you're underestimating this English side. Very typically English of you. That isn't a criticism BTW, it's admiration. Thank you x
@@dariankrieger4813 Yes!, no-one has said this yet, I wholeheartedly agree!
I expect New Zealand to beat a still evolving England team this weekend. However, it’ll be a completely different situation against Ireland and France, both of whom should win, with a score or two to spare.
France were pretty average in the six Nations. Should have lost to Italy and Scotland. What makes you think they will win?
@@BertFlashman : Dupont…..
@@Driver2616 Ireland is in doubt, France is a definite game on.
England have not played as well though. I think it will be a really tough test.
The UK media is its usual, trying to make out that England will be beaten by NZ. They always talk down England, on purpose I think. I would not be surprised in the slightest if England beat NZ, haha.
A lot in NZ would be, because they are, over-expectant of NZ.
I do not think they are talking down England on purpose. On top of being champions at self-bashing England media and fans alike do not like Borthwick even if his hair would grow again making him look like Jesus!!
@@UzMadBro When you say 'a lot in NZ would be because they are over-expectant in NZ', I'm guessing you're not from NZ. Your statement is more of a platform for your disgruntled state of being in NZ. If you hate my Country so much, move on out, we don't need either your ignorance nor intolerance of our customs and ways of living. You know where the nearest airport is, so why don't you simply pack your bags and move?. My Country is the most welcoming place on planet earth, so I'm sorry you can't make it in NZ, go somewhere else and see how you fare. Never spit on the Country kind enough to take you in, because we will always spit you out.
The UK Media do the exact opposite, which Media are you referring to? Oh, silly me, you all live in a Murdoch created narrative and have no conception of what it is to challenge the narrative you're all fully signed up to. Call out any so-called Journo in NZ, and we all get an echo chamber.
@@hafidkouloun6405 lol. I think England look good, and this game is to tight to call.
I am a Kiwi, but unlike many Kiwi, I am realistic and pretty down the line with my views.
Like why is Havili in the ABs squad. I have been asking this for several years. Others too, that should not be their, but they are. It takes the Kiwi public a year or so to catch on to the fact I was right, haha.
Like the look of England. NZ, well, this year, been a bit patchy. I was very disappointed with the South Africa tests, because for sure NZ should really have come away with 1 win their.
I will say this about NZ, they are young, like England are young. Obnoxious Ireland are an aging side and I see them beginning to fall down over the next 12-18 months.
I anticipate that NZ and England will be duelling it out for rank 1 spot within the next 12 months, is how I see it.
@@UzMadBro ABs always turn up in big occasions! Remember every one were writing them off in the 2023 RWC and they manage to turn up in the final. The loss of the two best lock combination in the world Whitelock and Retalick and a playmaker like Mounga at 10 has hindered their progress so far but one these are fixed they will become unplayable.
That game was more beneficial to Japan. Result was never in doubt.
Scrum good, lineouts good, but our defense around those areas is wanting. We need to get our line out and scrum defense sorted out as it will be targeted. England just watched Japan get results there and surely they will try attacking 8- 9-10 space. Been a glaring weak point for a while now. Kicking in general play also needs work. Counter attack as usual very good.
Some thoughts :
Dmac has to grin to relax himself before kicking .
There’s better temperaments out there. I wouldn’t trust that head to organise and control order at number 10.
Just my opinion.
Cam roygard needs to start most go forward ball with calib Clark and Anton lenord brown will open up space for line breaks and creat front foot ball. No front foot ball and breaking through the advantage line they will not win .
I am so glad that John Kirwin and Jeff Wilson are not in your studio they should be banned from the Break Down years back the Springboks won in Eden Park the house of pain when the Springbok Pieter Roussow scored between the posts no press or any media were allowed to interview when they closed the doors All Blacks cannot take the punch when they loose to The Springboks no respect I am a South African will always support our players what a disgrace!!! 😡
Got to be honest, as far as all black sides go, this is a bang average one(for them) think England,france and ireland could all get the better of them.
Basic and short-sighted and all one way. Balance your views. The English haven't played a test. Now the roles have reversed. So advantage ABs? Theoretically, yes. But that's not how it panned out for the poms when they arrived in NZ. I still expect the ABs to win however, even if it doesn't play out that way.
Get Mils a bigger jacket!
Dude has been hitting his upper body lifts hard
Empty stadiums says all about rugby
It's not worth listening to when the conversation takes place in a bubble of self-congratulatory accolades. Learn the art of true analysis.
North?, suppose from where to are , fair enough.
Dupont
One year since Boks beat NZ in the RWC final
yes, by a point, with the ABs having 14 men....we know, we know.....
One year and week and since SA beat England by a single point, and a year and 2 weeks since SA beat France by a single point (via a very dubious conversion charge down….) Anything else you’d like to see celebrated in a NZ rugby show?
The AB's will lose in all test matches in Europe, playing England at home is a different ball game to playing England in NZ and as New Zealanders again we underestimate teams like England. NZ is not the great, feared rugby nation of the past the Northern Hemisphere game has caught up and pasted the Southern Hemisphere game in both International games and domestic comps. Look at SA teams playing in European comps not in Super Rugby.
They will loose if they keep with Jordie. ALB AND RIEKO BRING BACK LAUMAPE
TJ was much worse than Roigard
He always is
England has been playing just as bad as ABs . So anything is possible . Lol
Not really? England may not be seeing results but they’re improving. The positives are starting to outweigh the negatives for them; All Blacks are a different story.
Mils says a lot but says nothing
100p
@@MegaTkls That's a pound
The arrogance 😂😂😂
When are kiwis gonna admit they just don’t have a great side, they’ve ruined their domestic competition, and quite simply they’re a long way from being “special” as they once were
Must be a concern for you, no great side when the great players have left. What is it that you don’t understand ?
When is the world going to admit that if NZ were to devolve in this game, the world of Rugby will devolve with it? Let’s be honest and acknowledge the most influential factor in European Rugby’s development: Graham Henry, Steve Hansen, Jamie Joseph, Joe Schmidt, Vern Cotter, Pat Lam, Tony Brown, Warren Gatland, Dave Rennie, Wayne Pivac, Simon Mannix, Chris Boyd, Todd Blackadder, John Plumtree, Tom Coventry, Mark Hammet, Milton Haig, John McKee, Kieran Crowley, Jono Gibbes, Brad Mooar, Tabai Matson, John Mitchell. NZ Rugby does not have clarity in how it wants to operate… but it will… very soon… just watch.
@@JTAIT-b7g at least he knows the truth kid.he doesn't suffer from delusions like you.he knows a bad allblacks side unlike you ķid.😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Disgraceful no talk about the wc final a year ago and the Greatest team of all time SA
No mention of the other SA WC victories, or the recent TRC win, geez, you’d almost think this is a New Zealand rugby show….
1000 apologies to the most arrogant sports fans in history - Springbok supporters.
For crying out loud.
No wonder we're called arrogant. WTF is your problem? The world does not revolve around us.
Ditch this presenter, she's not up to the job.