LION EL'JONSON AND CYPHER! UNITED BY THE EMPEROR?

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  • @lincolnosiris3665
    @lincolnosiris3665 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +42

    Think about it: Malcador raised Alpharius as "the last line of defense". Lion El'Jonson and the First Legion is the exterminator, first in line but also a bearer of secrets. Together the Dark Angels and Alpha Legion are the Sword and the Shield, the First and the Last, the I and the XX, the Alpha and the Omega.
    I think, both legions are deeply linked.

  • @GamingSpoiler
    @GamingSpoiler 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

    Of course Cypher is working for the emperor, he roams around the galaxy with a hidden camera to broadcast what Kitten and Magnus are doing.

    • @Erebdai
      @Erebdai 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Get ready for another episode of Cypher stalking people.

  • @floorusmat
    @floorusmat 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +67

    Ok so my headcannon.
    During the final lion vs luther fight, the lion sees a vision in the warp of the emperor, and is told the only way to save the imperium is to eventually kill the emerpor on the throne. But this must be kept secret. The lion is in agony at having his duty be to harm the emperor, and a part of his soul breaks off in the warp, so this fact and task he must complete is a secret even to the Lion. The soul fragment is formed it into a new body in thw warp Cypher.
    The skeleton king in the nrw lion books could well be the emperor trying to remind him of the task he was set and the help he will need to complete it.
    This could be why the lion shows age and character change hes lost a part of himself .
    Cyphers ability to disapear sounds a lot like the lions forest walking? And the fact he has the sword?
    Thats where id go with this story anyway. Very Dark Angels to have a secret so secret the lion keeps it even from himself.

    • @Silverflower351
      @Silverflower351 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I was thinking the other day how the lion went from blonde to white hair just like the sister that meet the emperor. What if the lion spent that time sleeping near the emperor

    • @davewebster5120
      @davewebster5120 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      That really explains a lot. t's a bit of a stretch, but 40k is all about stretchy plot points.

    • @warwolf88
      @warwolf88 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I like it😊

    • @pandorasactor423
      @pandorasactor423 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Yeah cuz the lion's personality actually chenged, like he's not very brutal and angry as he was before, even tho he doesn't remember anything, he is a chenged man

    • @Scryptur
      @Scryptur 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      This is a great theory

  • @c.m.4313
    @c.m.4313 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    “You are not one of my sons….”
    “No, brother.”

  • @rafiurrahman7016
    @rafiurrahman7016 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +92

    I think Cypher actually is Omegon; remember, the Alpha Legion wanted The First to be Warmaster -- so I think this is some way that Omegon is trying to get the needle moving in the right direction; plus, the Lion is apparently to pass on some additional instructions to Cypher upon his own death.

    • @Tragantar1310
      @Tragantar1310 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

      Interersting theory. lets wait 20 years to find out! :DDD

    • @pagangodx6890
      @pagangodx6890 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      I am Alpharius

    • @seekkyle4230
      @seekkyle4230 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      I was just about to write something very similar. It would explain why he so casually assumed he could kill a Custodes

    • @jakeogden2072
      @jakeogden2072 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      I am cypher, this is a lie

    • @NekrialofTheUnshapedTable
      @NekrialofTheUnshapedTable 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

      Cypher pulls down his hood and simply says "Brother" to El' Johnson and the book ends. I'd fucking read it

  • @kirashinji
    @kirashinji 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +33

    Ah yes, clearly an Alpharius/Omegon video disguised as a Dark Angels video
    Masterfully played, Hydra Dominatus

  • @sbeaber
    @sbeaber 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    My theory: before Zahariel dies(died?) he projects his psychic essence into Corswain. Corswain and Zahariel are two souls in one body. That causes him to have two destinies.

  • @Midlifeapex
    @Midlifeapex 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +38

    I think Cyphers identity is irrelevant. The role and identity becomes you. Also I think Cypher is loyal and has always been acting for the betterment of mankind, even if he has to break a few rules. He knows the Dark Angels hierarchy won't acknowledge his methods but sees no other way.

    • @jkgf4671
      @jkgf4671 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      To me his identity matters. And it's better be Omegon or Alpharius.

    • @yesman866
      @yesman866 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@jkgf4671 i hope its corswayn

    • @jkgf4671
      @jkgf4671 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@yesman866 Why would Corswayn act the way Cypher does? Why wouldn't he simply reveal who he is, considering he was always loyal?
      I don't have much knowledge about Corswayn, but he doesn't seem to me like a type that would manipulate others and work in the shadows. Correct me if I am wrong tho.

    • @yesman866
      @yesman866 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@jkgf4671 if the watchers told you that you had to do exactly what they said and not question anything or the imperium would fail and it would be your fault. Would you do it? How far would you go to protect the imperium? What depths would you be willing to go?
      When you don’t need adoration. Praise. Recognition. There is only the mission and loyalty is its own reward.
      We don’t know what happened to corswayn after the sundering of Caliban. I’m guessing he killed cypher and the watchers explained that he has to take his place or else all will fail.

    • @jkgf4671
      @jkgf4671 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@yesman866 Even if we assume that watchers told him that, he doesn't have knowledge about manipulating others and acting from the shadows. Watchers could not tell him constantly what he have to do and how to achieve it.
      If they told him to act this way, he would somehow had to magically learn all of those things on his own. He also would have to learn to be incredibly stealthy. He would have to learn how to escape from being imprison, even in places like Golden Palace, while being guarded by Custodes.
      I don't see how he could manage all of those things, while he was always acting "in light", fighting with his sword and gun, leading and commanding troops.
      You'd have to be incredibly skillful to escape from Custodes' prison and to find your way inside the Golden Palace.

  • @Joni_Tarvainen
    @Joni_Tarvainen 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    My head canon is that Cypher is Alpharius/Omegon, which ever lives.
    Alpha Legion were supposed to be sort of a contingency plan for Imperium as far as I know and remember, besides their ways are pretty much as unknown as Emperor's.
    It makes enough sense to me and until proven otherwise (when Cypher's identity is revealed) or something extremely contradictory, like Alpharius/Omegon rising from somewhere else that I'm going this route with his identity in my head.

    • @aquavitae3824
      @aquavitae3824 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      All according to his plan...

  • @madmerlinsart
    @madmerlinsart 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I could see that, that we'll never know as readers, but it'll be revealed to certain characters. I could see it go down something like this.
    His skill at arms was expert, he parried every strike using his pistols, never once attempting to draw My sword. "What is you seek my son? Forgiveness? Redemption absolute?" It was as I said these words I noticed an opening, and took it. As his body spun to the floor, his pistols scattering, his hood finally fell, forever obscuring his face from me, but still never hindering his combat efficiency.
    I point the tip of my blade and speak. "Rise, look me in the eyes, or I'll grant you your end!" He looks up, those eyes so familiar, his face etched into my minds from countless interactions. "You?!"
    "Aye, me! Who else could it have been? You know what needs to be done, I'm just ashamed I'm the one to do it." He rose his hood again and with that collected his weapons and left...
    I could imagine Cypher being a shard of Malcador, who else would know the Emperor's plans so well? But that's just wishful thinking.

  • @tjorgensen8760
    @tjorgensen8760 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    More and more I feel cypher is Omegan he fought alongside the first legion since its creation so he would have a history with them and since the Alpharius novel it rings true

  • @zep5229
    @zep5229 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Im sticking with Cypher as Zahariel or possibly a soul fusion between Zahariel & Corswain

    • @AthosJosue
      @AthosJosue หลายเดือนก่อน

      It's 100% Zahariel, he was literally Cypher in 30k, a fallen angel and he was a main protagonist of the series, nothing makes more sense than that. Not to mention that he saved the emperor life ones so, he had that connection.

  • @DePartey-d
    @DePartey-d 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Zahariel is key, during the Heresy some warpcraft happens and vision is seen. Then the Big E put in motion another convoluted backup plan that needs Cypher, the Lion and Luther. A mission of a secret order within Dark Angels was altered with aim to deny Vash'thor godhood at the last minute.

  • @lordalpharius5928
    @lordalpharius5928 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    1:58 except that most fallen that were aspirants, neophytes and recent initiates he would not know.

  • @brianpaul5691
    @brianpaul5691 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    Can we just please get a new mother fucking book like holy he'll GW. Like it's been what a year since the last lion book how long we gonna wait for a new book. Or any big lore book. No new dawn of fire or book on Gulimen or blood Angela or space wolf's dealing with the orks like wtf.

    • @BloodyArchangelus
      @BloodyArchangelus 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      blood angels books are mostly main plot books.

    • @southerndurden7618
      @southerndurden7618 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      They're too busy putting tits on Custodes.

    • @brianpaul5691
      @brianpaul5691 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@BloodyArchangelus All I am saying is I relistened to my blood angel books and now I need more, and fr I just want an update on when will get more books, and not one shot books that have little to no barring on everything else going on.

    • @BloodyArchangelus
      @BloodyArchangelus 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@brianpaul5691 knowing that hayle should write and for aos- codex or miniature release. Maybe in summer with blood angels refresh. Hayle is main writer of indomitus era. Smurfs and blood angels+ cawl are on his shoulders. He is second abnett after all. Stay strong brother.

    • @2012sonora
      @2012sonora 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      They's released, what, only three 40K novels this year? It's bizarre. Makes me feel like there's something going on behind the scenes with some of the authors. There has been more than enough time to get a second Lion novel at least drafted. Lock Mike Brooks and Guy Haley in a VRBO for the weekend and have them hash this thing out.

  • @DaveMcMuffin
    @DaveMcMuffin 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I don't know about Cypher but the Red whisper is probably Luther, astelan, or someone important from back in the day

    • @j1gsaw
      @j1gsaw 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Ha, I though Luther too.

    • @rorytolmie6504
      @rorytolmie6504 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@j1gsaw Luther has been in DA custody for a long time, I don't see how he can be in two places, he's not even an Astartes, look it up.

    • @mitchelarchbold9219
      @mitchelarchbold9219 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@rorytolmie6504he also escaped recently lol

  • @manhunter433
    @manhunter433 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The fallen and unforgiven of the 1st Legion will all seek out their Primarch and ask for his forgiveness.

  • @josemartinalcarazmeza5538
    @josemartinalcarazmeza5538 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    The key of the Awakening of The Emperor

  • @marvinellis7221
    @marvinellis7221 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    The First Legion is full of amazing individuals. Cypher is just proof positive that even the Raven Guard and Alpha Legion stole their style from the 1st.

    • @ulicqel-droma6884
      @ulicqel-droma6884 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      In son of the Forrest you find out the 1st taught all the other legions their skills.

  • @TheArkymarky
    @TheArkymarky 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    The way i see it, the future of the lore is based on who is the best bidder.. Amazon got the first bite.

  • @KaziMazi
    @KaziMazi 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I still hope GW makes Alpharius/Omegon cypher cuz that would be cool af

  • @Abefroman-lq3md
    @Abefroman-lq3md 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Wolfie you rock!
    Salutations from Belfast Northern Ireland 🇬🇧

  • @Gunnberg85
    @Gunnberg85 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Isn't the Lion Sword named "Adamant"?
    The Primarchs
    Chapter 24
    7:12

  • @ulicqel-droma6884
    @ulicqel-droma6884 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I still think he’s Corswain.

  • @franciscocastro765
    @franciscocastro765 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Damn this is fucking great! Keep cooking!!!!!🥘 you are a legend

  • @johnfontaine2760
    @johnfontaine2760 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Will we get another Lion or Cypher Book any time soon?

  • @ADhammer
    @ADhammer 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Cypher aka Corswain

  • @Cornerboy73
    @Cornerboy73 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    He can't be Corswain or Alpharius/Omegon because Roboute knew them back in the HH era (well, Alpharius but you know what I mean). He would have recognized any one of those characters when Cypher rescued him after being recently revived. Instead, he only recognized the big sword Cypher was carrying but chose not to question it at the time.

    • @cassiusaureliusanima
      @cassiusaureliusanima 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      He doesn't know Zahariel and he didn't know both heads of the hydra (the bigger heads, you know). Alpharius is dead and he was the head of the XX Legion so, I would say that no primarch knows Omegon. But I would say that it shouldn't be Corswain. Cordwain should be alive pursuing something alone, even doing what the very Lion is doing now. Maybe he didn't remain in the legion because he didn't want to follow the same path and wanted redemption for his brothers. An explanation to the betrayal.

  • @judsonbates1359
    @judsonbates1359 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    @wolflordrho Newbie here. I’m not trying to mock you or anything but you (and others) continually say how the Emperor trusted the First Legion and the Lion explicitly. You say how he was just above reproach in the eyes of the Emperor. It seems to me that Russ was also very much that way considering how he and his legion were used - essentially to police the other legions (my words). Can you explain the difference in how Russ and the Lion were viewed and treated by the Emperor? How did they both earn that trust compared? How different were their relationships with the Emperor? Also, (long sorry) it seems to me that Horus knew the First would never turn and so he essentially kept them on the fringes of the galaxy during the heresy. Why wasn’t the same done with the SW? Shouldn’t they have done what the white scars were doing on the fringes in Chondax, etc? How did these two legions compare / contrast in their roles for the Emperor and where did Sanguinius fit into this too. Thanks.

  • @Overonator
    @Overonator 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    What if Cypher is Omegon?

    • @chrismills2439
      @chrismills2439 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      the paperwork lies, who you call Omegon might very well be Alpharius.... or are any of the two truly deceased in the wh40k universe?
      remember the paperwork lies

  • @Lameyoutubehandle
    @Lameyoutubehandle 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I always interpreted the whole "the Emperor knows the Lion wouldn't follow Horus" situation more as he knows his ego would never let him submit to the authority of another than his loyalty is absolute.
    The Lion is grade A dick who does whatever he wants and will murder or banish anyone who gets in his way.

  • @docvaliant721
    @docvaliant721 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I believe Cypher is Alpharius.

  • @majorgrumpybum3161
    @majorgrumpybum3161 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Not Yet..to wake the Lion or to kill the Emperor

  • @I_am-lost.
    @I_am-lost. 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I just want cypher to be corswain, so the lion can bring him back, and so we have a named character to represent the risen

  • @timothylyons5686
    @timothylyons5686 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Will the Lion apologize for the ' disappearance of the Black Templar strike cruiser Ophidium Gulf.

  • @davidhannant451
    @davidhannant451 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Cypher an the loin both forrest walk . An cypher is a shard of the lion

  • @emanuelrivera7226
    @emanuelrivera7226 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The Emperor protects

  • @alkon8032
    @alkon8032 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    He cannot be Corswain or Zahariel as both have their own separate models. This Cypher is too good to just be an ordinary marine.
    Bro has the same MO as Alpharius, since Majorkill said that they both are using pistols, and Cypher is also using a C'tan knife, the knife could be the other half of the Pale Spear. As for why he carries the Lion Sword is because it's supposed to be his, since he is essentially the "first" Primarch found, so by "birthright" or positioning it should have been his. This is just a theory with a small amount of certainty, but the last Cypher is using the ruinous powers while this doesn't. This Cypher also got to throneroom, while Alpharius also got to the throneroom, this is why the Blood Games were created. Also him being insane could be because after Rogal killing Alpharius, it could be that his soul is now merged with his other body, remember Alpharius/Omegon got one soul in two bodies, and have two separate identities, him being somewhat insane is plausible.

  • @MasterElements
    @MasterElements 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    On the Star Child storyline, I've seen a lot of things about people thinking that Beta Becwin being the host of the Star Child entity but what if she isn't? What if the whole star child is a bit more literal and she is to be the mother of the star child and the reason it needs to be a powerful blank is so that she can contain the Star Child whilst she is pregnant. Since it is far more powerful then when it was born the first time at the Dawn of Humanity.

  • @Icspiders247
    @Icspiders247 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Cypher would've run into the companions anyways. Cypher might be able to best one Custodian but not hundreds.

  • @charlesballiet7074
    @charlesballiet7074 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    cypher never needed redemption

  • @hobbybobley
    @hobbybobley 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I think fans would have a much better time if they think of Cypher as anything but a binary construct. I.e. good or bad, Imperium or chaos... Look at the Emperor... It's not like he's kept his hands clean in keeping humanity safe... I think Cypher is also an example of the Emperor's pragmatism.

  • @ricardoalonso8376
    @ricardoalonso8376 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Cypher is Alpharius.

    • @AthosJosue
      @AthosJosue หลายเดือนก่อน

      Could be, but alpharius doesn't have any connection with the Lion or the dark angels, narratives generally do not work like that.

  • @BigRedDragonFan
    @BigRedDragonFan 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Didn’t G-man recognize cypher?

    • @ulicqel-droma6884
      @ulicqel-droma6884 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      No he knew the sword on his back.

  • @kennethking2786
    @kennethking2786 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I don't think the emperor wants to die just yet if he dies he will become a god in the warp but he will lose something important when he burned the garden he said will is the only thing that matters and living beings have will beings of the warp are emotions and ideas

  • @TheSILENTBOB180
    @TheSILENTBOB180 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Imagine if it was luthor

  • @yellowtoblerone
    @yellowtoblerone 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    HEY EVERYONE wof lor rooo heer

  • @o.w.n.1327
    @o.w.n.1327 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I fucking hate the Cypher is Omegon theory. Why the fuck would you mix one legions mysterious character with an another legions mysterious character.

  • @jeremiegartner464
    @jeremiegartner464 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Cypher is omegon

  • @mykelengieza7057
    @mykelengieza7057 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    ALGORITHM

  • @gaijin8014
    @gaijin8014 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I hope they never reveal the identity of Cypher.

    • @mouseinthehouse_
      @mouseinthehouse_ 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Why? The whole point of a mystery man character as a narrative point is for the big reveal of their identity.

    • @gaijin8014
      @gaijin8014 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@mouseinthehouse_ i disagree, the character is interesting because you know nothing about him, if they let El'Johnson know who he is in a narrative sense then cool, just keep it from the actual audience.

    • @gaijin8014
      @gaijin8014 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@mouseinthehouse_ Necrons were much more interesting before they just turned them into "Space Tomb Kings" or a scary movie is much scarier when you don't actually know what the bad is, you get to fill it in with your own imagination and that is usually better than just having someone else tell you what it is.

  • @RobouteGuilliman-M41
    @RobouteGuilliman-M41 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    No, El'Jonson doesn't necessarily know who Cypher is. The current Cypher could've been recruited the day Luther put him to sleep.

  • @lordalpharius5928
    @lordalpharius5928 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Is possible the two cypher can split, one still retain the title and becomes a true agent of chaos.
    While the other is Corswain, Grand Master of the Redeemed and inherits the Lion’s Sword as his weapon proper. A man that should had been the First Supreme Grand Master

  • @ryansauchuk7290
    @ryansauchuk7290 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Big E: now kiss

  • @mattbob6637
    @mattbob6637 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Cypher will probably try to kill the lion

  • @coleamenta8299
    @coleamenta8299 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    They would make billions if there was a trump skin in cod with freedom bullets. With quots like "ill show you the true meaning of insurrection"

  • @AdjudicatorBrbal
    @AdjudicatorBrbal 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Can we get a series on warhammer tv plz. Games Workshop is so out of touch with modernism. We do not want to pay $60 a year just for the trash they put out. It aint even monthly either. They so lame!!!

    • @hykeaux
      @hykeaux 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Be careful what you ask for... A TV series now might be there were no men in the Imperium...
      But I am with you, if they could put their BS aside, then you could get a big franchise going... Start with the Eisenhorn show on the Inquisition, then going to a different inquisitorial style in another show and further start growing the world like under hive gang based show... And so on, maybe having the scarcity of Space Marines hinted at throughout with sightings and rumors of battle they appear in. Build up the mystique, to introduce them slowly... Maybe allow them to keep cost low with less CG intensive shows, like the afore mentioned Inquisitor shows, criminal underhive, and even throw in some Guardsmen stuff... Not sure the Ecclesiarchy is somewhat could work on TV without getting panned as zealotry... Who said it has to stop with Imperium, could expand to other factions, would just get more difficult.

  • @noiresprit9386
    @noiresprit9386 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The only thing I get is "yeah no sorry, we're not advancing 40k's narrative in any meaningful way yet. And it's starting to bore me... It's time for things to start moving for emperor's sake. Litteral and figurative

  • @jakeogden2072
    @jakeogden2072 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I am cypher, this is a lie.
    I am alpharius, this is a lie.
    Cypher is not omegon, this is a lie

    • @be1394
      @be1394 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I am a ham sandwich, this is not a lie.

    • @chrismills2439
      @chrismills2439 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      the paperwork lies, this is the truth.

  • @judowrestlerka
    @judowrestlerka 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    . I've hear that Lion's El Johnson is HUGE.
    🤣🤣🥰