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  • @RevokFarthis
    @RevokFarthis 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +246

    "I know you must be a fraud, Magnus doesn't hit that hard."
    Magnus: "I punched out *one of his hearts!* Why does nobody remember that?"

    • @ogliara6473
      @ogliara6473 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Magnus always gets shit on because people put him in the "bookish nerd" box while forgetting his sheer mass and size, not to even mention his psychic power, which frankly makes him the strongest primarch, since 40K has a really hard time limiting what psykers can and cannot do

  • @RocRolDis
    @RocRolDis 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +513

    Lion's character growth in this was phenomenal. One of my favorite lines was when Zabriel returned with the first group of fallen and the mortal told Lion that his attendant had returned and he replied with, "He is not my attendant, he is my son."

    • @cuhlainnslane1564
      @cuhlainnslane1564 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +50

      It really boils down to "Please forgive me daddy I didnt know." "OH wow I was a massive tool wasnt I."

    • @95keat
      @95keat 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

      A primarch, learning from their mistakes?
      No sir I don't believe it. It's some chaos trick.

    • @ngominh259
      @ngominh259 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      I love how he's reasonable - asking the major in charge of Avalus's defense to hand over control, instead of assuming total rulership. He's a bit like Guilliman in that sense upon return. And to reason with his lost sons with great effort as well.

    • @YOGI-kb9tg
      @YOGI-kb9tg 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@ngominh259he was humbled and learned a lesson. His arrogance lead to the heresy getting worse and when he got to terra while he was only thinking of being a replacement for Horus the reality truck him when he found out the emperor is now a half dead corpse on life support.

  • @Fyrijou
    @Fyrijou 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +297

    A part i would LOVE to point out is when the Lion accidentally teleported for the first time and came into contact with the Imperium.
    The whole process of them realizing it’s the real Lion and Lion begrudgingly letting the psyker into his mind was a great moment. And afterwards, one of the funniest moments happened. The Imperium gave the Lion the biggest penthouse suite they had, he looks at the king size bed and he just goes: „i can’t sleep on that, i would break the bed“ and so he and Zabriel just ended up sleeping on the floor

    • @ledor2457
      @ledor2457 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +52

      I laughed out loud at the scene because in my head there are probaly servants outside the door who where like "shit what do we do"

    • @emirhaneksioglu4503
      @emirhaneksioglu4503 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      "We slept on the ground often enough at Camarth. Is a carpet beneath you now, my lord?" -Zabriel

  • @95keat
    @95keat 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +99

    Fun fact
    The old man in the boat is not just an allegory for the emperor but is also based on the Arthurian legend of the fisher king.
    In the legend the fisher king is the last in a line of English kings tasked with defending the holy grail. And since he's too wounded to do anything but fish he waits for someone to help him, in the story that person is Perceval.
    There are a lot of versions and one even has him attempting to ask a correct question that would heal him, which Perceval fails. Very on Brand for empy and the lion.

    • @vdate
      @vdate 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      How does everybody who does an episode on this miss the Fisher King thing?!

    • @Serpentking789
      @Serpentking789 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Additionally, the bit with Markog getting decaptated only to pick up his own severed head & promising later retribution, IMO, sounds like a reference to the tale of Sir Gawain and the Green Knight. Heck, there's probably a good number of other sly references to Arthurian lore in this book that most 40k fans are simply too ignorant to realize.
      Example: Lion El'Johnson laying asleep in the deepest part of the Rock, after his fight against Luther & the breaking of Caliban, with him only just now waking up when the Imperium needed him most is a reference to how, after he was mortally wounded by Mordred during the fall of Camelot, King Arthur was taken to Avalon where he supposedly sleeps to this very day, yet will awaken & return in Britain's darkest hour.

  • @fernandodamas8533
    @fernandodamas8533 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +201

    My favorite part is how the Lion spends all book thinking "dang I hated all my brothers but now that they're all gone that kinda sucks". And then the last lines are basically "Oh wow Roboute is alive! ...oh no, Roboute is alive."

    • @khalduras784
      @khalduras784 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +57

      I took that last line differently. He spent the entire book digging at Roboute but then he hears Roboute is actually alive hes suddenly happy and glad because atleast hes not alone and he can help fight off the darkness

    • @fernandodamas8533
      @fernandodamas8533 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

      @@khalduras784 oh that was definitely there don't get me wrong. But at least I also sensed that tinge of conflict, of "I'm happy he's alive... And also I'm remembering how many times we clashed hard so oh God who knows how this might go"

    • @danb9460
      @danb9460 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      @@fernandodamas8533”I did almost kill his mom…”

    • @UnRu1eD
      @UnRu1eD 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Lion and Guilliman are actually decent friends. They had one bad moment and this isn’t the same Lion or Guilliman either.

  • @thewerdna
    @thewerdna 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +265

    One of my favorite little things was when they found those Blood Angel successors amd were like "what did chaos do to transform them into mindless beasts" as neither Lion or Zabriel know about the Red Thirst
    Since its pretty clear that all chaos did to them was trigger and slightly amplify the Red Thirst

    • @craftypig7548
      @craftypig7548 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Do you mean the Black Rage? Because the Blood Angels had the Red Thirst during the Great Crusade

    • @thewerdna
      @thewerdna 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +31

      @@craftypig7548 which was kept a secret. The only other Primarch to discover it was Horus. Sanguineous was specifically afraid that if anyone found out about it, his legion would be purged. So he hid its existence from all his other brothers

    • @TheKingsPride
      @TheKingsPride 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      It’s the Black Rage that they don’t know about. Because it specifically happens after the Heresy.

    • @thewerdna
      @thewerdna 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      @@TheKingsPride read my 2ed comment. The Blood Angels kept the Red Thirst a secret because they were afraid if the rest of the Imperium found out, they would be purged. The Lion, like nearly every other Primarch, didn't know about the Red Thirst. As far as we know only Horus found out and agreed to keep it a secret, only to after turning traitor tried to use this knowledge to tempt Sanguineous to chaos, which almost worked

    • @TheKingsPride
      @TheKingsPride 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@thewerdna yeah but it wasn’t the red thirst that was being manipulated in the Bloodrage project. It was the Black Rage.

  • @simonb.5624
    @simonb.5624 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +157

    The more mild mannered lion is great character development, but I love that they also kept in lines where he was pissed at people but kept it under control. The lion is still an ass, but we can actually see him restraining himself.

    • @sarnicholas4053
      @sarnicholas4053 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      I love it too, as a fan of the Horus Heresy books it feels like a really good progression from those. Like he really took some of the lessons of his experiences with Guilliman in Imperium Secundus or Russ at Dulan to heart.

  • @sirfinleymurlocton3810
    @sirfinleymurlocton3810 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +42

    best comedic moment for me was in the void battle when the khorne guy blow up his allies ship and the admiral says to the lion ''how did you know he would do that?'' and the lion just mutters ''you clearly never met angron''

  • @herowesley1804
    @herowesley1804 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +68

    Throws gore covered helmet at mortals. "Clean that."

    • @Cornerboy73
      @Cornerboy73 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      I don't know why, but I loved that line too 😂

  • @simonb.5624
    @simonb.5624 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +98

    10:15
    Its all Arthurian metaphor! The emperor is being described as the Fisher King.
    (The king charged with guarding the holy grail but is wounded and rendered impotent and his kingdom barren as he guards the grail, sound familiar?)

    • @ANDELE3025
      @ANDELE3025 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Was about to type that.
      Even if there is no actual Arthur with Lion taking a combined role of set up of prior lore as pseudo-Mordred shifting to combination of Gaiwan+Uther.

    • @q-tip9962
      @q-tip9962 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      It's alright, they may not have caught the Arthurian allusions, but you did and apparently more people don't catch it than I thought.

  • @eziomaster19
    @eziomaster19 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +244

    I love the little Arthurian references in this book. Immortal was just Slaneesh green knight

    • @thewerdna
      @thewerdna 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +58

      Yep. Markog was clearly the Green Knight, complete with green armor, an axe, surviving his head being cut off, and owing a blow to the person who killed him.
      His Slaaneshee group was also called the Dolorous Guard, a castle in Arthurian stories.
      And the Emperor took the form of the Fisher King, a figure from another famous story in King Arthur mythology.

    • @AKidWithNoAttitude
      @AKidWithNoAttitude 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +41

      References? The whole book was one giant retelling of the story, down to the names of the knights and planets. Big E on a fishing boat is the literal Fisher King tale!

    • @Zivon96
      @Zivon96 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      Half the Fallen/Risen are just Arthurian knights with slight changes to their names

    • @Fordo007
      @Fordo007 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      I love how much Arthurian lore this book included, every time a new Fallen showed up I was giddy to see what new Knight of Round Table it would be.

    • @j1gsaw
      @j1gsaw 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I recommend the valdor book, it's a short one but v good

  • @randomomega9966
    @randomomega9966 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +47

    It's interesting to compare how Guilliman and the Lion deal with the current Imperium. Guilliman is reflecting on the external (mostly) in how the Imperium is rotten to the core, looking at the big picture of the Imperium as a whole. The Lion is conversely looking internally (again, mostly but not exclusively) at himself and how to deal with the problem at hand by narrowing his scope to the present. The difference between looking at a war and a single battle.

    • @ShadowGhost0117
      @ShadowGhost0117 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Exactly, it’s tactics vs strategy

    • @brianmowday7509
      @brianmowday7509 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It's an argument for why Old Man Lion would actually make a great Warmaster for the current Imperium. He is able to take a step back and think before he speaks and understands that the Great Crusade is over, and they didn't win.

  • @NinjaSniperKiller65
    @NinjaSniperKiller65 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +49

    The fun thing about the whole old man Primarch stuff is that honestly theres a decent chance that he feels old because he thinks he should feel old

  • @LovelyCenturibear
    @LovelyCenturibear 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +41

    Lion: No longer Fallen. They are, my Risen.
    Asmodai: * whimper * 😩

    • @matteocdt5214
      @matteocdt5214 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@arcahmwinters70 "REPEEEEEEEEEEEE*energy mace? noises *"

  • @cuhlainnslane1564
    @cuhlainnslane1564 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +44

    I absolutely loved the arthurian references in the book. Markog as the green knight, lions group of fallen being the knights of the round table (heck most of them even share names with the knights), the emperor being the fisher king. Heck you could even consider lions memories of malcador being reminiscent of merlin.

    • @JohnSmith-io3ii
      @JohnSmith-io3ii 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Agreed that was a very enjoyable touch, I mean the Lion's power sword had to be pulled from a stone. His warp forest also reminded me of the fey wilds or Avalon.

  • @weavelcow9596
    @weavelcow9596 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +66

    Good episode, I do wish you mentioned the growth The Lion went through upon remembering his life.
    Also, the end part with the Lion hearing that another Primarch lives. Would of been great to hear about your guys opinion on that.

  • @AAhmou
    @AAhmou 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +69

    For the next book club, Horus Rising would be a good idea. Learning more about Mr. Horus Heresy himself and where it (officially) began.

    • @KevinACarroll1996
      @KevinACarroll1996 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Honestly, a run of the first 4 or 5 books would be great, because the first 3 are Horus Rising and two direct sequels, followed by Fulgrim and Flight of the Eisenstein which are both great. That would be my vote.

    • @gokbay3057
      @gokbay3057 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Not a bad idea tbh.

    • @samhayden60
      @samhayden60 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Agreed, also, in the third book there's a chapter that starts with Horus yelling "you dare come to me with failure", then, in Fulgrim you hear the bit before that that made Horus lose his temper.

  • @BronzeDwarf
    @BronzeDwarf 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +72

    The Rizzen and there primarch, The Rizzler.

  • @NoMercyRussian
    @NoMercyRussian 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    I really appreciate them showing examples of how Space Marines, and especially Primarchs, have EXCEPTIONAL memory. It's not all physical augmentations. The Lion remembers seemingly unimportant individuals from thousands of years ago he met only once and that's insane.

  • @asiersantamaria1930
    @asiersantamaria1930 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +116

    The thing with the Red Wisper's helmet was not about what he was hiding, because the book makes as clear as it can without havin anyone say it. His trip through the warp left him whith some nasty mutations, and him being very loyal and dedicated is terribly ashamed of it and does not want any one to see.
    The important part here is how other characters react to it, seeing as everyone basicaly already nows: his brothers that know him are acomodating and accepting, finding ways to give him space, even though it can be hard during their time as fugitives, and because they can tell he is not ready to talk about it, they never bring it up, which shows that they really care for him.
    More importantly, the Lion, Captain genocide, 40k Doomguy, is tactfull once he gets a feeling of what is going on and looks past the isue entirely once he is sure of the Red Wisper's loyalty, even defending his choice not to take his helmet of later on, showing how much The Emperor's Exterminator has grown and how genuine his desire to reconcile with his sons is, which is quite sweet.
    TLDR: The important part about the Red Wisper not taking his helmet off is not what he is hiding, is that everyone nows that he has mutated and even the Lion is kind to him about it and cares about him enough not to force him to show something that is not his fault and that he is very ashamed of.

    • @Fordo007
      @Fordo007 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +32

      I was 90% sure he was mutated and 10% sure it was just Alpharius under the helmet.

    • @asiersantamaria1930
      @asiersantamaria1930 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

      @Fordo007 There is always a non-zero chance that any given character is Alpharius.

    • @Man_Emperor_of_Mankind
      @Man_Emperor_of_Mankind 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Which part of the book is that in? I never caught that he was supposed to be mutated/deformed

    • @asiersantamaria1930
      @asiersantamaria1930 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@Man_Emperor_of_Mankind The man was cast directly into the Warp, was lost there for a long time, and ever since he reapered he refuses to let anyone see his face and his voice sounds weird? Now, im no inquisitor, but that defintly sounds like some (unwilling) chaos mutation shenanigans to me.

    • @CannibalShinobi
      @CannibalShinobi 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You don't mutate without at least a little bit of corruption. Bealor was not mutated despite even pledging on the side of a Chaos sorcerer because he never accepted Chaos himself directly. If the Red Whisper was mutated then he would definitely be corrupted in some way.
      Alternatively, I've read theories that the Red Whisper doesn't take off his helmet and why it sounds like he has a horrible throat injury is because he tried to kill himself. It didn't take and now he is ashamed of it. Taking off his helmet would reveal his injuries and make it obvious how he sustained them.

  • @boredwriter1490
    @boredwriter1490 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

    I recommend reading Lukas the Trickster. It is very entertaining to listen to, and provides a good insight into the life on Fenris, which is fitting with you guys currently going over Space Wolves as a topic, and the book rounds out with a high climax and a brilliant set of pay offs at the end.
    In addition, the book doesn’t cover a large scale war or battle for the fate of the planet, but instead focuses on the small scale efforts of a small crew of Space Wolves that might remind you of the Risen members in Son of the Forest.

  • @azamatfleming5427
    @azamatfleming5427 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

    Dante is a great book for the next book club. It tells more about the Modern day Blood Angels, the legacy of Sanguinus, and goes in depth in some of the trials that an initiate has to endure to become a Space Marine. It’s also a great character study on Dante, chapter master of the Blangels, and how/why of his Ultra Depression and the burden that the Red Thirst and Black Rage weigh upon the chapter

  • @YoBen100
    @YoBen100 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +118

    Lion: "Of all my brothers, I hate Konrad Curze the most, but man, do I hate blue berry Guilliman after Curze."

    • @Fourtytwo4242
      @Fourtytwo4242 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +40

      He more so does not hate guilliman has much has curze (he actually wanted curze fucking dead). He hates guilliman like a brother. Guilliman done stupid stuff and big L is annoyed.
      Lion: "GUILLIMAN WHERE IS MY XBOX!!?!!?"
      Guilliman: "...."
      Lion: "WHERE IS IT!?!?!?"
      Guilliman: ".....I broke it....
      lion: "....YOU BASTARD!!!!!" *Tackles guilliman*

    • @sergiovergaramontemiranda2116
      @sergiovergaramontemiranda2116 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You know this isnt in accurate

    • @mkvenner2
      @mkvenner2 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Granted there is a MASSIVE gap between the two.

    • @GamerGrovyle
      @GamerGrovyle 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      He doesn't really "hate" Guilliman it's just that they are very different personalities.

    • @Jfk2Mr
      @Jfk2Mr 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Yeah it was more of "Ugh, shame that G-Man is not here - he's a prick, but man, he would be handy to have here"

  • @orraklbenedict1832
    @orraklbenedict1832 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +85

    Emperor Norton for Detective Ridiculous.
    The TRUE Emperor of Mankind

    • @GearShotgun
      @GearShotgun 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      His valiant protection of Mexico shall never be forgotten

    • @sheevpalpatine2128
      @sheevpalpatine2128 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Ahem cough cough

  • @kccustodes2618
    @kccustodes2618 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    This novel is responsible for the Lion becoming my focus going forward with 40k and starting a DA army. I just loved this super relatable "new" Lion.

  • @Kraytdragn
    @Kraytdragn 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    All the Arthurian references. The Fisher King, the Green Knight, and the beheading game. The Lion literally pulls his sword from a stone. Officially, Dark Angels are my favorite Astartes chapter now.

  • @Karate_Shark
    @Karate_Shark 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +57

    Prediction: The Red Whisper IS Luthor, escaped from the Rock and trying to atone for his sins

    • @agent5333
      @agent5333 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

      Red Whisper showed in Gathering Storm, before luther bailed iirc.

  • @RoxxieRaeVA
    @RoxxieRaeVA 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    "Oh Slannesh and Tzeentch, give me the tongue" needs to be a teeshirt.

  • @DINOROAR2912
    @DINOROAR2912 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    Eisenhorn Malleus! That way you can meet Harlon Nayl my beloved!
    Its also justa brilliant follow up that really kicks off the Inquisitior series properly

    • @matthewmcg321
      @matthewmcg321 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Gotta do it for harlon and patience. Some of the best characters are in that one

  • @Ani_Thari
    @Ani_Thari 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    Small correction: _Fulgrim, the Palatine Phoenix_ does not have _the_ concert. It is actually about Fulgrim's solo crusade and the bet with his brothers that he could conquer a world with just seven Marines.
    It shows some of his best character traits as well as his flaws (placing the bet itself over the health of the world). Also, he panics for a moment, which I will not share, and is only saved because he hung out with Ferrus.
    I love it - he's my favorite Primarch, when, you know, not corrupted.

    • @vesphasian2102
      @vesphasian2102 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Wait... I think Bricky thought of Fulgrim the 5th book from The Hours Heresy and the concert is in there. Palatine Phoenix ist the Primarchs book. It's kind of confusing.

    • @nedcurfman3486
      @nedcurfman3486 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I want someone to jailbreak Trazyn’s Fulgrim clone. The character dynamic between jaded Guilliman, the pressure valve that is The Lion, and a reclaimed traitor Primarch seeking redemption sounds even better than any Loyalist Primarch returning

  • @AKidWithNoAttitude
    @AKidWithNoAttitude 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

    So we know that the book might as bell be a part of the Arthurian canon for how much it rips off names and themes, but there's some that I need to point out because our AdRic boys didn't comment on it: Markog is the literal Green Knight (named Marchog) whom Gawain cuts the head off. Big E represented as a weakling in a fishing boat is just the Fisher King story of a crippled king who need a knight to go on a quest to give him his strength back (I recall an old theory that Big E is waiting for a Holy Grail-macguffin to come back, and that's why the Primarchs went away). The names of the Fallen are just the Knights of the Round Table, full reference (Launciel, Guain, Cai, Borz, etc).

    • @ANDELE3025
      @ANDELE3025 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      True, but the roles they play arent mirroring the names.
      Lion is narratively Gawain, by french seen as a bloodthirsty (and from a dash of pre-mordred-as-actual-bastard-sun-turned-turncoat the other type of bastard) who during the rebellion still sides with Camelot, with a sword he obtained in the forests of the enemy/conquered in the crusade (that will be lost back to said enemy) of his king that is said kings weapons "lightless mirror" yet strikes wounds which scar to honor and bone (and a dash of Uther from the later Uther vs Vorti in form of being a knight redeeming defeated soldiers to be loyal to him and gathering a army against one of his own blood that is a disgrace to them), much like how Luther takes up Mordred rebellion side+Lancelot for everything else (including running away and hiding like a french cuck).

  • @gabriel0santiago
    @gabriel0santiago 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +26

    Shit now i noticed, Camelot and Avalon, cheeky author throwing more Arthurian legends

    • @q-tip9962
      @q-tip9962 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Yeah, Markov was a reference to the green knight, a lot of the risen share names based on or are directly lifted from the knights of the round. Big E being the literal Fisher King, and the treasures that are at the throne room are referencing the artifacts in the Grail procession.

    • @NBFAN00B
      @NBFAN00B 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Omg how did I not notice that when I read it? Whelp, that cheeky bastard. I knew the whole beheading of Markov felt familiar.

  • @ryantice1186
    @ryantice1186 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Two good choices for the next book. Got to give it to Horus Rising. Introduces so many great characters, shows how Horus truly was as a Primarch before turning, just a really good read.

  • @SumDude129
    @SumDude129 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    He doesn't hate Gman. Every time he did get angry at him he regretted it. Even when he thought back about in the past he regretted it. He was also genuinely happy when he found out he was alive.

  • @aidanjones4067
    @aidanjones4067 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

    Honey it's 5am time for Book Club

  • @user-jl2ev9el8c
    @user-jl2ev9el8c 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Something small that’s worth pointing out is that it’s unlikely that the lion aged due to the normal passage of time.
    Perturabo was walking through Hrud time fields that aged space marines to dust in seconds with only minor damage to his armour.
    It could just be a small continuity error but it’s very possible that the lion was wounded in the battle on caliban on a warp/spiritual level and that’s what caused him to age so much. They’re definitely leaning into the warp based nature of primarchs with the lion so I think it really is likely.

  • @tombouric
    @tombouric 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Wildcard: Do Wrath of Iron. Not a book about a particularly important part of 40k, but a good look at Iron Hands and potentially my favourite Imperium book for actually questioning whether humanity's survival is even worth all the agony the Imperium puts it through.

  • @Fyrijou
    @Fyrijou 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    I choose Horus Rising because it’s a good book to just dive in unprepared and after you’ve done another Space Marine book, you can then truly choose what book next to pick

  • @MitchellMeyer702
    @MitchellMeyer702 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I love the part where the Lion fondly remembers Warsmith Dantioch:
    “ ‘But then, what authority do I hold over you, Zabriel of Terra?’ the Lion asked, apparently speaking to himself as much as to me. ‘The galaxy we were created for is long gone, as are the order and structures into which we fitted. You are my son, and I am a son of the Emperor, but so was Perturabo, yet Barabas Dantioch betrayed him and ended up saving my life.’
    I did not speak. I had no idea who Barabas Dantioch was, although this was a tale of which I was intrigued to hear more.”

  • @Deisan
    @Deisan 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I vote Eisenhorn.
    If you go Horus Heresy, it's the start of a 50+ book series, and you'll never get anything else done. Meanwhile, Eisenhorn continues to tell more 'relatable' tales (40k so relatable is arguable), and is a massive fan favorite for a reason.

  • @alexrobinson3251
    @alexrobinson3251 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Do Horus Rising, DK needs to know why he should be stanning for Garviel Loken and Torgaddon !

  • @elduendedeslaverdad9772
    @elduendedeslaverdad9772 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Bricky had mentioned before that the Lion was heavy on Arthurian legends, but neither of them recognized the Fisher King at the beginning of the story

  • @Jiffedup
    @Jiffedup 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    This is King Arthur and his knights with the one chaos marine getting his head cut off basically being the story of the green knight and sir gawain. The rest of the books and some of the characters are just straight up references to those tales.

    • @Fordo007
      @Fordo007 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I loved the Arthurian references soooooo much. So much fun if you know those myths.

  • @celsetialarchives5909
    @celsetialarchives5909 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I absolutely love this book throughout and loves near all of it
    But by far the bit thatvmade me laugh the best was when that guardsman calls the chaos space marine a shit head over the vox before fiering a groud to spave lazer battery at him

  • @thewerdna
    @thewerdna 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +115

    "HE DID WHAT WITH A WHAT?!?!? GUILIMAAAAAAAAAAN!!!!!" - Lion finding out about Guiliman's new girlfriend, probably.

    • @bubbasbigblast8563
      @bubbasbigblast8563 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

      Just imagine the Lion needling Guiliman over it: "I'm surprised you even HAVE a taste in women, much less one that Fulgrim would approve of," with Guiliman just staring daggers at him in dead silence the whole time.

    • @gokbay3057
      @gokbay3057 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@bubbasbigblast8563 lmfao I could see that.

    • @benjaminwhite3292
      @benjaminwhite3292 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I mean who wouldn’t want a Rogue Trader girlfriend who gives you affectionate nicknames

  • @mistabrrrly
    @mistabrrrly 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    Steel Tread and Outgunned would be great books. But Horus Rising has my vote cause Garviel Loken

  • @joeford5181
    @joeford5181 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    He forgot, "Roboute, I am not alone"

  • @HealedFiend
    @HealedFiend 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    There was a lot of on the nose Arthurian stuff, like the chaos guy who gets his head cut off being the Green Knight etc, but I really really liked this book. I'm very glad this got picked so that I had a reason to read it.

  • @emmahagens
    @emmahagens 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    the wounded fisher king came from Arthurian legend where he is also a protector and embodiment of his land. so representing both the emporium and the emperor. both wounded, both beset by many shadows and both not (yet) talking to the lion

  • @0rangedrank506
    @0rangedrank506 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    What was more shocking Bricky, Son of the Forest OR Holocure being great lol?

  • @Jack-0-lantern
    @Jack-0-lantern 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    I hope one day, you guys will do "Know No Fear" since you guys already covered "The first heretic" and "Betrayer". It it just feels weird not covering the one book that is in between those two.

  • @beastalchemistVA
    @beastalchemistVA 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    "They took all the bones from the people to make a moon and ... what were they going to do with it?"
    Lol. I feel like this is a Chaos plot playing out like normal!

  • @isaacschmitt4803
    @isaacschmitt4803 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Because of this book, I'm running Risen in my DA army. Like, black painted armor and everything mixed in with my regular forest green ones.

  • @EHilgy17
    @EHilgy17 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    If you want a standalone guard story that has some good romance, worldbuilding, and actually portrays Scions, I'd recommend Honourbound.

  • @BucketPls
    @BucketPls 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I think the Red Whisperer not taking of his helmet did actually turn back into itself later on in convincing all the Fallen in that one hangar bay area. Like, it was not as big as 'he took off his helmet and we find out he is X or Y', but instead it plays HARD into how different The Lion truly is, and how he does in fact NOT slay down his sons without proper reason to do so.
    Personally thought it was a real neat detail in the book, and MY GODS am I happy I grabbed this book. I never really pick up books/games/movies that I keep hearing are 10/10, but gave it a shot as I really like Mike Brooks and this just straight up did not disappoint at all!

  • @Kantohammer
    @Kantohammer 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Doing the first book in the heresy series right as the last book of siege of terra comes out would be funny timing

  • @Gustav_Kuriga
    @Gustav_Kuriga 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Obliterators have the Obliterator virus, which allows them to create weapons out of their body at will. Really cool and surprised that neither of you knew exactly what makes them so special.

  • @BeezeYT
    @BeezeYT 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Not only do the Eisenhorn books get better as they progress, they tie in with the Ravenor series and later the Bequin series, 9 books in total thus far and absolute must reads!

  • @robertbodkin9916
    @robertbodkin9916 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I really hope they do like either a Risen Kill Team with the Risen they have shown, including the Inner Circle Cataphractii Terminator they found, that guy was cool. Would be funny to do a Risen Kill Team vs Fallen Kill Team

    • @ShadowGhost0117
      @ShadowGhost0117 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I cannot pit into words the the geek out moment I had when Galad was introduced. The Inner Circle Cenobium Knights are one of my favorite HH units (in the tabletop they are one of the most powerful terminator units). I swear, huge missed opportunity by GW. If they did a 5 man unit of them, I would choose the following.
      Zabriel (first of the Risen)
      Lohoc (the Red Whisperer)
      Kai (the duelist)
      Launciel (the breacher)
      Galad (the Cenobium Knight)

  • @TheKingsPride
    @TheKingsPride 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I absolutely adore this book, but I’m a little biased because The Lion is by far my favorite 40K character.

  • @ArchArturo
    @ArchArturo 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Old and Busted: Old Man Logan
    Old Hotness: Old Man Lion

  • @settratheimperishable7800
    @settratheimperishable7800 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    The Lion has Rizzed the Fallen into becoming the Rizzed

  • @jonesdaevilone
    @jonesdaevilone 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Mike Brooks needs to be given all the 40k books. This book and the Alpharious book are both my favourites in the setting

  • @dylansmith3184
    @dylansmith3184 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Finally got around to the audiobook and came back here for another listen.
    To comment on the rating, I think one thing to get it to that 10/10 for me would be picking a few of the lions guard and put a little more focus and character into them. It's one of the things that made the night lord trilogy so great.

  • @louiemontinola9688
    @louiemontinola9688 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I heard clips of Lion's reaction to Gman being alive, thought he was just happy he wasn't alone, not that he still hates Gman 😅

  • @KmcK
    @KmcK 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Love the book club art! The teapot of Tanna is a nice touch

  • @Niemandzockt
    @Niemandzockt 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Best intro in recent times. Short, sweet and entertaining.

  • @Noremac-0329
    @Noremac-0329 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The pace of this book is very much like “Wolfsbane” by Guy Hayley - they’re also so insanely linked together almost like the authors are collaborating together.

  • @Plaguewaifu
    @Plaguewaifu 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Can’t wait for them to do Lords of Silence.

  • @Aaron-io8vw
    @Aaron-io8vw 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The whole thing with Markov or whatever his name is another reference to the king Arthur legends which this books is full of .
    Specifically the legend of sir Hawaii and the green kknight. Which features a seemingly immortal warrior who shows up at Camelot on Christmas and challenges Arthur's knights to strike a blow against him with the caveat that he will return in a Year and strike the knight who hits him in the same spot in return. Gawain chops his head off. And the story follows gawain dealing with the idea that the green knight will return and kill him the next year.
    The deposition of the emperors in the story is based in the fisher king story which is part of the story around the hole
    y trail quest by Arthur's knigbts.
    Several or the fallen who are redeemed including Bors and Kai share names with Arthur's ill nights as well

  • @rasarr1611
    @rasarr1611 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Aw yeah, Son of the Forest! One of my favourite W40K books, to my own surprise. Such a fun adventure romp, while doing a _ton_ to make me love the Lion.

  • @craftypig7548
    @craftypig7548 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I *love* Mike Brooks's books. Great idea to have him write this book!

  • @SvrtrOfMuspel
    @SvrtrOfMuspel 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    One book I would like to mention that's semi lesser known but a really fun read and insight into chaos warbands (if but some), the Lords of Silence is a fun book following a death guard warband named the lords of silence.
    It was a fun and enjoyable read, nothing crazy but seeing the psychology of plague Marines was enjoyable

  • @zevriungames7463
    @zevriungames7463 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    One of my favourite things is how much he rags on guilliman and then at the end his reaction “I am not alone”. Love the personality of every character. Maybe my small complaint is that the lion gets his sword in a really odd video game power up sense which just threw me off

  • @whatisupmyfellowamericans8808
    @whatisupmyfellowamericans8808 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    31:00 Trizzyn the infinidrip would like to have a word

  • @gawkthimm6030
    @gawkthimm6030 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Vaults of Terra: The Carrion Throne and/or Watchers of the Throne: The Emperor's Legion both by Chris Wraight

  • @johnnycashrules157
    @johnnycashrules157 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The Lion during the heresy: undiagnosed autistic adult, constantly overstimulated and upset, doesn’t know how to properly interact with his children.
    The Lion in son of the forest: got diagnosed, learns how to not lash out and regulate, realized how his lashing out effected his sons, and works to redeem his sons.
    (I am autistic and this is his I truly interpreted his journey, I have gone through a similar journey recently)

  • @MVPernula
    @MVPernula 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Oh you should definitely read Horus Rising! You've been doing this podcast for a few years now, and it - to me - just feels like the right thing to do.
    DK was talking about it in your *first* episode about the Krieg. Something about "Most people tell me that we should start with the Horus Heresy", which he by then knew nothing about more than the name. That's my vote!

  • @korstmahler
    @korstmahler 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Man you threw the Obliterators under the bus. The Obliterator Virus is the whole mechanical bodyhorror thing in 40k, and Iron Warriors in particular seem to catch it more often, but anyone can be touched by something possibly created in the Soul Forges at the microbial level in a similar way to Nurgle poxes including tiny daemons.

  • @rhinogames2320
    @rhinogames2320 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I have been into the 40k lore for years and only about a year ago started reading the books, this was the 4th book i read and i was loving every chapter

  • @rougenarwhal8378
    @rougenarwhal8378 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    imagine if the terminus decree says "once the lion and robute wake up, double the primaris production"

  • @TheAnchorite
    @TheAnchorite 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    The whole 'Fisher King' segment and later Green Knight stuff are direct rips from British Arthurian legend. Pretty interesting stuff if you're into different cultural mythologies...

  • @jesustejeda4908
    @jesustejeda4908 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Im honestly surprised that it took bricky this long to notice "the RIZZEN"

  • @DraakNoir27
    @DraakNoir27 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Huron Blackheart Master of the Maelstrom, Huron is such a good chaos character and his book is great, i recommend doing a book club on that.

  • @MandoSki464
    @MandoSki464 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Probably one of my favorite 40k books since first reading a 40k novel by William king the old school blackmane series. As a wolves fan I can say the risen and lion have made me a DA fan almost on par with the wolves.

  • @steweygrrr
    @steweygrrr 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Sticking out your gyatt for the Risen
    They so Zabriel
    They so Kai duels
    I just wanna be their Lion
    Also:
    >Bricky gets silver mirror wings
    >Half his face catches fire
    >It does it latitudinally
    >MFW Bricky's forehead is entirely made of flames.

  • @lordarchaon6
    @lordarchaon6 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The stuff with Markog getting his head cut off was a nod to the legend of the Green Knight, fitting imagery for the Dark Angels I would say.

  • @mexicanweaboo
    @mexicanweaboo 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This may go unseen, but i highly suggest for a book club you guys do Renegades: Harrowmaster, it is in fact still SM but it's a book following the Alpha Legion in the ultima segmentum during present day 40k

  • @Alpharius93
    @Alpharius93 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    If you want to read something xenos-focused, I really recommend the Farsight books :) There's "Farsight" (how he got his name), "Crisis of Faith" (start of his expedition) and "Empire of Lies" (creation of the Enclaves). I'd recommend all of them to see his journey, but the 2nd and 3rd have audio versions (they're also much more recent books). I really liked seeing a non-Imperial, non-Chaos perspective - and the T'au have such an alien view on the 40k world that it's quite refreshing. Plus Farsight is a badass and a very sympathetic character as you'll see! On the same lines, I've also enjoyed the even more recent "Shadowsun" which compliments Farsight's novels quite well in seeing things from her perspective - and she's very cool too!

  • @Bollthorn
    @Bollthorn 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'd love to see you do a double book feature; 'A Thousand Sons' and 'Prospero Burns', the razing of Prospero told from the perspectives of each side.

  • @mrsmeef537
    @mrsmeef537 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    When you all said that this would be your next book i was so excited. This book is so good and it made me a Dark Angels Fan. It had so many good points in it.
    As for the next book. I say the second Eishorn Book.

  • @keto_writes
    @keto_writes 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Not only that Cypher book (which you should really check out ... also very good, props to the trolling Shy) ... but, ya know, there was that whole Luther book, too.

  • @bryananderson2931
    @bryananderson2931 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    For the next book do “The Carrion Throne” Erasmus Crowl is a cool inquisitor and you get the inquisition, custodes and and assassins. Leaving stuff out for spoilers too, mostly on Terra!

  • @MrJosdp
    @MrJosdp 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    horus rising is the only one i've read and it made me start a buyingspree of books

  • @trigunblades
    @trigunblades 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    You guys should do The Carrion Throne a inquisitor story with huge lore implications.

  • @04dabow2k8
    @04dabow2k8 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    So I returned this book on Audible, tried to listen to this to get a brief summary, heard the words the book is really good. Purchased the book again and just finished it. Its an incredibly good book

  • @collecter343
    @collecter343 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It was like I was reading a continuation of the Dark Angel books from the Horus Heresy, it was glorious.

  • @LoganSearles
    @LoganSearles 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hells reach has always been my favorite, and the fan animation has cemented it in my heart.

  • @Lakefront_Khan
    @Lakefront_Khan 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'd definitely try some of the Warhammer Horror books, like The Revere, The Oubliette, and the Deacon of Wounds.
    Or if you want to branch out, two of the best AOS novels are Godeater's Son and The Court of the Blind King.

  • @crowejagerson3628
    @crowejagerson3628 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Before this book i was not a fan of the Lion. This book really impressed me and showed a Lion that has learned a lesson in humility. I really like the charcter growth from the 30k version of him. The ending of this book was absolutely amazing.