@@ShacoAlon Not really, if you played the bright lord dlc from shadow of Mordor then you would learn that celebrimbor has seen Talion only as a tool from the very start.
@@krystianszewczyk1522 False The Dlc is Celebrimbor with the One Ring for who knows how long, and it's effects are clear as day. 2,000 years later they linger plus by the end of the game he was ready to die with Talion.
In Celebrimbor's youth, humans fought just as hard as the Elves, sometimes even harder if you want to compare heroes. This was without immortality's experience, the guarantee of where you were going, or even a reason to remember when and where the fighting began. Humans in Middle-Earth always make up for what they lack in experience through sheer spirit.
even i expected an elven archer be worth more than 3 gondorian archers. perhaps celebrimbor is growing an apreciation for men after spending so much time whit talion.
@@captainlongdik8724 Celebrimbor came to see Talion as Blood-brother during their time together and after killing the Black Hand Celebrimbor was finally free to go to the Halls of Mandos and reunite with his Family and Talion to go beyond Arda and join with his family wherever Humans go after they die. But Talion convinced him to stay and forge a new Ring using what remained of his Feä which was what ignited the flames of revenge in Celebrimbor again and why he decided to abandon Talion cuz he was completely consumed by Revenge after the creation of new Ring. So Celebrimbor’s fall is partly Talion’s fault
@@aranha6285 half right half false . Play the bright lord dlc. Saurons ring corrupted celebrimbor way too much. Even before that celebrimbor could've gone to halls of mundus. He choose to stay here in mordor. When tower fight happens remember what he tells to talion he choose him and he can leave any time he wants. Before the new ring im sure celebrimbor felt brotherly feelings for talion but after that he was sauron 2.0. In the end even before the corruption of the ring we saw celebrimbor and sauron giving the rings to kings etc. So he knew what he was doing partly only thing suprised him that him underestimating sauron both in power and cunning.
@@captainlongdik8724 I played it. Celebrimbor couldn’t leave Mordor and go to the Hall of Mandos at the end and Galadriel outright said that he wouldn’t be able to go unless he redeems himself in some way to break the Curse Sauron cast on him when he killed his Family and him or till the Ring was destroyed
@@aranha6285 thats the thing he became wraith instead of spirit . Remember without destroying the ring at the end of the som celebrimbor wanted to leave like you said. Because he was able to even before that. His main goal was revenge so he waited. Not because he couldnt . When he saw talion he knew he found the perfect tool cause he could manipulate his pain via sympathy.
He faked his memory loss in first game, at the end of bright lord Dlc after Celebrimbor dies we see the same scene of the black hand sacrificing Talions family but ominously before the black hand recites his speech “A sacrifice Of blood & Bone, A bridge for you to follow, you will emerge a shadow” You can hear Celebrimbor saying the words before the black hand recites it as if this was always apart of his plan; when Talion is finally about to have his throat slit Celebrimbor appears infront of Talion only for us to see and hear him say “Finally, All Will Fear Me & Rejoice” Coupled with him lying to Talion in the base game about them being bound by a curse when in reality cel could’ve released Talion on a whim but because he had nothing else to bound his spirit to Arda other than Talion, if he left the ranger then he would’ve been completely powerless to fight sauron (A powerless spirit once again) So after the events of the final few missions Celebrimbor tries to get him and Talion to finally die but the Ranger doesn’t want to just yet; I whole heartedly believe that even when Talion had the goal of Forging a new ring this was under the manipulation of Celebrimbor. As i’ve said before if Cel left Talion at the end of SOM he would once again be a powerless spirit, but having an object of power infused with your very fëa (soul) would keep him bound to Arda & increase his base power, additionally having his essence tied to an object would make it possible to leave Talion in favour of possessing a new vessel; before the ring him & Talion were bound together (much to Celebrimbor’s dismay) but with the ring that he’s now bound too he can choose any new vessel that would be more subservient to his cause ontop of increasing his power. Talion & Cel started having issues since the beginning of Shadow Of War, but it all started at the end of SOM where Cel tries to bait Talion into accepting death when in reality he was subtlety manipulating him to keep the fight going, if you need more just look at how Talions eyes start to Glow when he says “The time has come for a new ring” ; once the ring was made Talion went from a Host to a mere Vessel to be discarded when he proved to be problematic to the Bright Lord’s cause. Celebrimbor Lied, many times
@@korgclips868 No definitely not. Far too much. Celebrimbor was touched by the One's corruption in the first game but ultimately resistant and in the second game they needed to realign with canon.
Celebrimbor came to see Talion as Blood-brother during their time together and after killing the Black Hand Celebrimbor was finally free to go to the Halls of Mandos and reunite with his Family and Talion to go beyond Arda and join with his family wherever Humans go after they die. But Talion convinced him to stay and forge a new Ring using what remained of his Feä which was what ignited the flames of revenge in Celebrimbor again and why he decided to abandon Talion cuz he was completely consumed by Revenge after the creation of new Ring. So Celebrimbor’s fall is partly Talion’s fault
So Celebrimbor could have returned to his family but instead decided to stay and fight Sauron again? But now Celebrimbor is trapped with Sauron in the eye of his fortresss?
He never truly respected humans
Ye he doesn't. Also a question will you be doing the secret nazgul Talion quote's?
That's and other reasons why He deserved the fate that He had
He respected Talion althrough in this game Talion seems to have forgotten
@@ShacoAlon Not really, if you played the bright lord dlc from shadow of Mordor then you would learn that celebrimbor has seen Talion only as a tool from the very start.
@@krystianszewczyk1522 False The Dlc is Celebrimbor with the One Ring for who knows how long, and it's effects are clear as day. 2,000 years later they linger plus by the end of the game he was ready to die with Talion.
In Celebrimbor's youth, humans fought just as hard as the Elves, sometimes even harder if you want to compare heroes. This was without immortality's experience, the guarantee of where you were going, or even a reason to remember when and where the fighting began. Humans in Middle-Earth always make up for what they lack in experience through sheer spirit.
even i expected an elven archer be worth more than 3 gondorian archers. perhaps celebrimbor is growing an apreciation for men after spending so much time whit talion.
In the books all of the gondorians are veterans of countless battles against mordor. So it makes sense when you think about it.
@@captainlongdik8724 Celebrimbor came to see Talion as Blood-brother during their time together and after killing the Black Hand Celebrimbor was finally free to go to the Halls of Mandos and reunite with his Family and Talion to go beyond Arda and join with his family wherever Humans go after they die.
But Talion convinced him to stay and forge a new Ring using what remained of his Feä which was what ignited the flames of revenge in Celebrimbor again and why he decided to abandon Talion cuz he was completely consumed by Revenge after the creation of new Ring. So Celebrimbor’s fall is partly Talion’s fault
@@aranha6285 half right half false . Play the bright lord dlc. Saurons ring corrupted celebrimbor way too much. Even before that celebrimbor could've gone to halls of mundus. He choose to stay here in mordor. When tower fight happens remember what he tells to talion he choose him and he can leave any time he wants. Before the new ring im sure celebrimbor felt brotherly feelings for talion but after that he was sauron 2.0. In the end even before the corruption of the ring we saw celebrimbor and sauron giving the rings to kings etc. So he knew what he was doing partly only thing suprised him that him underestimating sauron both in power and cunning.
@@captainlongdik8724 I played it. Celebrimbor couldn’t leave Mordor and go to the Hall of Mandos at the end and Galadriel outright said that he wouldn’t be able to go unless he redeems himself in some way to break the Curse Sauron cast on him when he killed his Family and him or till the Ring was destroyed
@@aranha6285 thats the thing he became wraith instead of spirit . Remember without destroying the ring at the end of the som celebrimbor wanted to leave like you said. Because he was able to even before that. His main goal was revenge so he waited. Not because he couldnt . When he saw talion he knew he found the perfect tool cause he could manipulate his pain via sympathy.
He ain't never tell a lie tho.
Hard to disagree with that
He faked his memory loss in first game, at the end of bright lord Dlc after Celebrimbor dies we see the same scene of the black hand sacrificing Talions family but ominously before the black hand recites his speech “A sacrifice Of blood & Bone, A bridge for you to follow, you will emerge a shadow” You can hear Celebrimbor saying the words before the black hand recites it as if this was always apart of his plan; when Talion is finally about to have his throat slit Celebrimbor appears infront of Talion only for us to see and hear him say “Finally, All Will Fear Me & Rejoice”
Coupled with him lying to Talion in the base game about them being bound by a curse when in reality cel could’ve released Talion on a whim but because he had nothing else to bound his spirit to Arda other than Talion, if he left the ranger then he would’ve been completely powerless to fight sauron (A powerless spirit once again) So after the events of the final few missions Celebrimbor tries to get him and Talion to finally die but the Ranger doesn’t want to just yet; I whole heartedly believe that even when Talion had the goal of Forging a new ring this was under the manipulation of Celebrimbor.
As i’ve said before if Cel left Talion at the end of SOM he would once again be a powerless spirit, but having an object of power infused with your very fëa (soul) would keep him bound to Arda & increase his base power, additionally having his essence tied to an object would make it possible to leave Talion in favour of possessing a new vessel; before the ring him & Talion were bound together (much to Celebrimbor’s dismay) but with the ring that he’s now bound too he can choose any new vessel that would be more subservient to his cause ontop of increasing his power.
Talion & Cel started having issues since the beginning of Shadow Of War, but it all started at the end of SOM where Cel tries to bait Talion into accepting death when in reality he was subtlety manipulating him to keep the fight going, if you need more just look at how Talions eyes start to Glow when he says “The time has come for a new ring” ; once the ring was made Talion went from a Host to a mere Vessel to be discarded when he proved to be problematic to the Bright Lord’s cause.
Celebrimbor Lied, many times
@@korgclips868 No definitely not. Far too much. Celebrimbor was touched by the One's corruption in the first game but ultimately resistant and in the second game they needed to realign with canon.
Celebrimbor always wants to have the last word
Celebrimbor came to see Talion as Blood-brother during their time together and after killing the Black Hand Celebrimbor was finally free to go to the Halls of Mandos and reunite with his Family and Talion to go beyond Arda and join with his family wherever Humans go after they die.
But Talion convinced him to stay and forge a new Ring using what remained of his Feä which was what ignited the flames of revenge in Celebrimbor again and why he decided to abandon Talion cuz he was completely consumed by Revenge after the creation of new Ring. So Celebrimbor’s fall is partly Talion’s fault
So Celebrimbor could have returned to his family but instead decided to stay and fight Sauron again? But now Celebrimbor is trapped with Sauron in the eye of his fortresss?
why did it appear in my youtube, but still, 3 human archers are not enough for 1 elven
he basically insulted himself
isn’t he technically a human with superpowers?
No. Celebrimbor is an elf-wraith. He is using a human corpse as a meat mech
That is a great way to put it😂
@@decrazygaming1738 better to say he's the voice in his head.