I purchased the 1600 a few months ago. It looks like you got one of the Chinese made motors that originally came with mine. I had the same problem with the motor. I called Ellis they explained that they were having a hard time sourcing the lesson motor that should come with the saw. The fix is you can’t use an extension cord with the Chinese motor. I asked them to send me the lesson motor as that was one of the main reasons I wanted the saw. They were kind enough to swap it out for me. Love the saw!
Did your saw run fine after you got the Leeson motor? I just bought an 1800 and it came with the Leeson motor. It does the same thing as it does in this video on the initial start ups.
I figured I would give an update in case anyone reads these things. I called Ellis. They said it was likely an issue with the gear box. They said the manufacturer had been putting a thin shim in between the cover and a bearing. The added pressure would make the motor work harder, raising the voltage draw. They had me put the saw in the vertical position, then take off the cover plate held on by 4 bolts. It's the smaller one that is horizontal when the saw is vertical. You see the shim sitting on the bearing. I removed it and tested. Starts perfectly fine now. The voltage dropped to the specs on the motor and the amp reading is now slightly less than the motor specs. Hope this helps.
The inrush current of the motor is to high and pulling down the voltage. Try a shorter extension cord or bigger wire diameter on cable. That would work
Gee.. that is not good.. to get it to operate, straight out of the box, it is suggested you need to rewire the thing!! You will not be doing the motor much good letting it “labour” like it does on startup..
I was an electrician for B F GOODRICH and about 8 years ago they bought a new Well saw and it costs over $7000. Another dept had an ELLIS saw and used it every day, no issues at all.
I have the same saw. It's very well used (got it for free). Word of caution if you haven't already found out the hard way...when the saw is turned to full miter (+ or - 45 degrees), be careful when lifting the saw to the full "up" position as the center of gravity is no longer centered on the 4 floor contact points. I was cutting 45 degree miters and when done, lifted the saw with gusto, and the whole thing tipped over, smashed to the floor and twisted up the drive pulley cover.
This is Definitely the Saw I’m going to purchase! Either this one or the 1800, but for sure will be one of those 2 Models from Ellis. Great Video Your problem with the Start Capacitor is either going to be a Bad Start Capacitor or you have a bad Voltage Drop where it is plugged in to. I’m betting that it’s a Bad Capacitor though, because I had one that did the exact same thing on a brand new Ingersoll Rand Air Compressor. I called them up and they sent me a new Start Capacitor and it cured the problem as soon as I swapped it out.
I have had Ellis saws for my 43 years in business. My 1600 is over 20 years old. Only major repair was gearbox. I am only 30 miles from factory. Actually tested some different clamps for them.
I just bought a used one of the $1400 HF saws for $450. Came with a better aftermarket blade.. All the coolant had evaporated into a sticky goo but cleaned it out and it all works perfect..:)
@@19672701 They are.. I got my new (to me) one trued up and I'm amazed how square it will cut.. I took a piece of 4 inch 1/4 wall pipe and it was bang on square! I'm thrilled with it.
Tay, I’d bet they will exchange that motor for a Leeson brand motor that they used to use on their equipment (I think they still use them on some of their models). Some manufacturers of large tools and equipment source similar parts from various providers now a days. My bet is you got a chinesium motor because that is what they had in house that week. They usually use Leeson I thought.
I’ve been running Ellis saws for 10 years now. The 1600 is the perfect size IMHO. Oddly enough though I have the 1800 (which is a beast! But a less portable) and a 1500 that is a little easier to move about
You gotta lemon Tay..Send it back!! Sounds like something binding (bearing/gear set?}. Ellis is good shit, they'll do you right...Love your content & MORE WYATT!!!
Pull the cover and check connections on the start cap. Could have become compromised during shipping. Long term, think about putting a 3ph motor w/ vfd. Infinitely adjustable speeds with no pulley change. Love the channel!
I think it is missing quite a few niceties for a saw of this price. I would want more horsepower and a VFD. I think a chip blower should come with the saw. The ways and pulleys look to me like they should be shielded from chips and debris. The door having no latch is a real oversight. Velcro? That is kinda lame. Needs a little mirror tucked under the arm so the angle gauge is visible in line with the blade. Or maybe a duplicate of the angle gauge somewhere to line things up. But I guess all of this stuff is DIY.
Congratulations on your new tool /toy my friends. Hopefully you get great use out of it for many years to come Tay and the gang. Very nice job reviewing the tool. Can't wait to see more videos soon. Keep up the great craftsmanship and hard work my friends. Forge on. Fab on. Weld on. Keep making. God bless.
Great saw the company I worked for had one that they bought in 1988 and it's been a workhorse. The only thing they replace is the blades because of the idiots using it. They tend to let it hog into the metal to fast, tearing off teeth. The Velcro on the doors will last it's still holding after 35 years. Watch it on round stock. That vise will let it spin if you don't get it tight. We set ours at one speed and have never changed it, just adjust the rate of cut.
looks like it will be a useful addition to your shop! to bad we as consumers have to learn what level of acceptance we will put up with when buying NEW stuff!!
I like the double mitre feature of the saw. I have been looking at mitre saws to help with speeding my cut time up. Overall, it seems like a decent saw with some tweaking to be done. The cheap Chinesium motor is a big turnoff for me. That saw deserves a nice, smooth motor. I don't know if Baldor is still US made but would be my first choice. The Velcro on the blade covers is a real disappointment to see. Not saying the saw is junk, but it just pisses me off to see that crap on a machine you pay good money for. Hope they get you a new wheel! :)
Just had one come into our showroom as scratch and dent because of a derpy delivery driver. Going for 3500, hell of a deal you got even with the chunked wheel
Was looking for a saw, I think I'll be steering away from the Ellis,almost everything you showed turned me off on this brand,motor, miter gauge ,velcro on the doors. Seemed like second thought design. And should have had a Baldor or a Leeson motor for the cost. 4 to 5 grand should get something with coolent. Thanks for the great informative video!
I have a Carif260bsa mitre saw that is world's better built than this...and I got it second hand from an idiot who had done all sorts of dodgy repairs to it.
Whatever you do don't buy a lay down bandsaw look into a roll in band saw. They are much easier to use and will last you much longer without any of this bullshit. Buy a Kalamazoo or a Drake brand saw and everyone will last you a lifetime.. It doesn't have the double compound but as a fabricator of fifty years I have rarely used a double compound on any fabrication. Ellis Saw's we're good at one time but now they are just another Chinese junk brand. Ellis is just like any other American company they felt they could make better money importing Chinese junk and now the reputation is paying for it and that is a fact.
Bought a 1600 about 4 years ago. It never cut square, the head wiggles back and forth while running, a lot of ugly welds on it and a few other smaller complaints. It's been sufficient for a farm shop saw but I won't buy another unless quality control gets better.
I have an older 1800 and I love it, it's a forever tool. It's a shame their quality has nosedived like this. I may have missed it but they are very particular about how to brake in their blades. Please read up on it on their website or you might be even more disappointed in this purchase.
Possibly some buyers remorse? Velcro on those covers is ridiculous. You also pointed out some simple issues that really reduce the final quality of the machine.
watching this after getting curious about the saws origin , the way its been packaged makes me suspect that it was actually a customer return being sold on as new just to get it off their hands in the shop selling it to guess you need to fix it youreself as they probably trow a hissyfit when you start to trow youre weight around about it being defected they might actually have gotten their refund from the manufacturer after taking it back from the former owner allready before selling it on to youre local shop making it their problem
Why level the saw? With sloped floors, as you say, if you move the stands then you need to adjust the stand height. If you make the saw parallel to the floor, if the floor is flat you shouldn’t have to adjust the stand height.
Stop using that crap too small a gauge extension cord on the saw. Shame on you, you know better. Plug directly to 20 circuit, (no frigg'n extension cord) watch that slow start go away. I bet you a beer! Super nice saw...
I think they went cheep on the electric motor I check the website and they used to have a Marathon Motor that is a industrial motor and the one your saw looks like a china rip off
never thought I'd hear a bandsaw cold start, but here we are
I purchased the 1600 a few months ago. It looks like you got one of the Chinese made motors that originally came with mine. I had the same problem with the motor. I called Ellis they explained that they were having a hard time sourcing the lesson motor that should come with the saw. The fix is you can’t use an extension cord with the Chinese motor. I asked them to send me the lesson motor as that was one of the main reasons I wanted the saw. They were kind enough to swap it out for me. Love the saw!
What really happened: They were sleezy enough to try and pass off a POS motor onto you but it didn't work.
Did your saw run fine after you got the Leeson motor? I just bought an 1800 and it came with the Leeson motor. It does the same thing as it does in this video on the initial start ups.
I should mention I also have it plugged into the wall, no extension cord.
I figured I would give an update in case anyone reads these things. I called Ellis. They said it was likely an issue with the gear box. They said the manufacturer had been putting a thin shim in between the cover and a bearing. The added pressure would make the motor work harder, raising the voltage draw. They had me put the saw in the vertical position, then take off the cover plate held on by 4 bolts. It's the smaller one that is horizontal when the saw is vertical. You see the shim sitting on the bearing. I removed it and tested. Starts perfectly fine now. The voltage dropped to the specs on the motor and the amp reading is now slightly less than the motor specs. Hope this helps.
Ellis needs to get on this channel and explain themselves for half the stuff on this saw
The inrush current of the motor is to high and pulling down the voltage. Try a shorter extension cord or bigger wire diameter on cable. That would work
Gee.. that is not good.. to get it to operate, straight out of the box, it is suggested you need to rewire the thing!! You will not be doing the motor much good letting it “labour” like it does on startup..
Love the nail polish it matches your eyes 👀.
Love Arch3! They are awsome to work with, glad to see them supporting youtubers.
We've had an 1800 for at least 15years been trouble free and stays accurate
My brother in law has had your Ellis saw for over 20 years! One great saw that has run for him for years!
I was an electrician for B F GOODRICH and about 8 years ago they bought a new Well saw and it costs over $7000. Another dept had an ELLIS saw and used it every day, no issues at all.
I have the same saw. It's very well used (got it for free). Word of caution if you haven't already found out the hard way...when the saw is turned to full miter (+ or - 45 degrees), be careful when lifting the saw to the full "up" position as the center of gravity is no longer centered on the 4 floor contact points. I was cutting 45 degree miters and when done, lifted the saw with gusto, and the whole thing tipped over, smashed to the floor and twisted up the drive pulley cover.
Thats the last saw you'll every buy. Built like a tank. Love mine. Congrats.
Yeah a Chinese tank one day you will be fighting the Chinese because all our money is going to the crappy products from a communist country.
This is Definitely the Saw I’m going to purchase! Either this one or the 1800, but for sure will be one of those 2 Models from Ellis. Great Video
Your problem with the Start Capacitor is either going to be a Bad Start Capacitor or you have a bad Voltage Drop where it is plugged in to. I’m betting that it’s a Bad Capacitor though, because I had one that did the exact same thing on a brand new Ingersoll Rand Air Compressor. I called them up and they sent me a new Start Capacitor and it cured the problem as soon as I swapped it out.
Last place I worked had several Ellis machines and they were ALL awesome!
I have had Ellis saws for my 43 years in business. My 1600 is over 20 years old. Only major repair was gearbox. I am only 30 miles from factory. Actually tested some different clamps for them.
I bought one in harbor freight like 2 years ago and since day one works like a champ for 1k 😂 nice and solid saw and no issues with the motor
Those are nice
I just bought a used one of the $1400 HF saws for $450. Came with a better aftermarket blade.. All the coolant had evaporated into a sticky goo but cleaned it out and it all works perfect..:)
@@frankish5314 that's a awesome deal!
@@19672701 They are.. I got my new (to me) one trued up and I'm amazed how square it will cut.. I took a piece of 4 inch 1/4 wall pipe and it was bang on square! I'm thrilled with it.
Nice Ellis, great old school color scheme on that saw. Change that flat tire....
Tay, I’d bet they will exchange that motor for a Leeson brand motor that they used to use on their equipment (I think they still use them on some of their models). Some manufacturers of large tools and equipment source similar parts from various providers now a days. My bet is you got a chinesium motor because that is what they had in house that week. They usually use Leeson I thought.
So I don't get it, when you buy an Ellis it's like a lottery? you either get china or usa, but always pay usa? wow :)))
I’ve been running Ellis saws for 10 years now. The 1600 is the perfect size IMHO.
Oddly enough though I have the 1800 (which is a beast! But a less portable) and a 1500 that is a little easier to move about
You gotta lemon Tay..Send it back!! Sounds like something binding (bearing/gear set?}. Ellis is good shit, they'll do you right...Love your content & MORE WYATT!!!
That motor is a joke,junk it,should be a leeson,baldor,something of quality,are you wearing nail polish?automatic point deduction,ugh
makes me want to repaint them
Men acting like women always confuses me,my bad ! Like the show though
@@brucemcclary3260 you seem - fragile
Pull the cover and check connections on the start cap. Could have become compromised during shipping. Long term, think about putting a 3ph motor w/ vfd. Infinitely adjustable speeds with no pulley change. Love the channel!
I think it is missing quite a few niceties for a saw of this price. I would want more horsepower and a VFD. I think a chip blower should come with the saw. The ways and pulleys look to me like they should be shielded from chips and debris. The door having no latch is a real oversight. Velcro? That is kinda lame. Needs a little mirror tucked under the arm so the angle gauge is visible in line with the blade. Or maybe a duplicate of the angle gauge somewhere to line things up. But I guess all of this stuff is DIY.
Congratulations on your new tool /toy my friends. Hopefully you get great use out of it for many years to come Tay and the gang. Very nice job reviewing the tool. Can't wait to see more videos soon. Keep up the great craftsmanship and hard work my friends. Forge on. Fab on. Weld on. Keep making. God bless.
Great saw the company I worked for had one that they bought in 1988 and it's been a workhorse. The only thing they replace is the blades because of the idiots using it. They tend to let it hog into the metal to fast, tearing off teeth. The Velcro on the doors will last it's still holding after 35 years. Watch it on round stock. That vise will let it spin if you don't get it tight. We set ours at one speed and have never changed it, just adjust the rate of cut.
looks like it will be a useful addition to your shop! to bad we as consumers have to learn what level of acceptance we will put up with when buying NEW stuff!!
I like the double mitre feature of the saw. I have been looking at mitre saws to help with speeding my cut time up. Overall, it seems like a decent saw with some tweaking to be done. The cheap Chinesium motor is a big turnoff for me. That saw deserves a nice, smooth motor. I don't know if Baldor is still US made but would be my first choice. The Velcro on the blade covers is a real disappointment to see. Not saying the saw is junk, but it just pisses me off to see that crap on a machine you pay good money for. Hope they get you a new wheel! :)
Just had one come into our showroom as scratch and dent because of a derpy delivery driver. Going for 3500, hell of a deal you got even with the chunked wheel
Very cool saw nice review. Can be shore your going to give it a good work out👍👍
Bought an 1800 recently. So far better than the hyd-mech I used to own.
Got a killer deal on the 1800 for $34
Was looking for a saw, I think I'll be steering away from the Ellis,almost everything you showed turned me off on this brand,motor, miter gauge ,velcro on the doors. Seemed like second thought design. And should have had a Baldor or a Leeson motor for the cost. 4 to 5 grand should get something with coolent. Thanks for the great informative video!
I have a Carif260bsa mitre saw that is world's better built than this...and I got it second hand from an idiot who had done all sorts of dodgy repairs to it.
@@mtnbikeman85 those look great, but $12,000
Whatever you do don't buy a lay down bandsaw look into a roll in band saw. They are much easier to use and will last you much longer without any of this bullshit. Buy a Kalamazoo or a Drake brand saw and everyone will last you a lifetime.. It doesn't have the double compound but as a fabricator of fifty years I have rarely used a double compound on any fabrication. Ellis Saw's we're good at one time but now they are just another Chinese junk brand. Ellis is just like any other American company they felt they could make better money importing Chinese junk and now the reputation is paying for it and that is a fact.
Check out jet saws
Very nice great peace of equipment!
Have the same issues sighting things
Forklift certified
Nice saw! Time to redo your nail! 😂
It's not the cord. 💯
Break in your blade, definitely helps on the cut being true top to bottom (wandering)
Be sure to watch our latest youtube short... ill save you some time, the problem is not the extension cord...
I didn’t realize that Big Johnson made bandsaws
I would get on them about the motor. I think they used to use a Baldor motor
How fast it cuts an dull blade will cut off also
That is standard for them cheap chinese motors - they don't last very long. Try it without an extension cord
Bought a 1600 about 4 years ago. It never cut square, the head wiggles back and forth while running, a lot of ugly welds on it and a few other smaller complaints. It's been sufficient for a farm shop saw but I won't buy another unless quality control gets better.
Drawing too many amps to be running it off of that little extention cord. Probably needs a dedicated 20amp circuit.
I have an older 1800 and I love it, it's a forever tool. It's a shame their quality has nosedived like this. I may have missed it but they are very particular about how to brake in their blades. Please read up on it on their website or you might be even more disappointed in this purchase.
centrifugal switch inside the motor is sticking
For 4 grand that thing would be back on the pallet on it's way back to wherever it came from
Possibly some buyers remorse? Velcro on those covers is ridiculous.
You also pointed out some simple issues that really reduce the final quality of the machine.
The lack of forethought and cut corners on this thing is impressive.
yeahhhhhh
Dont wary about the wheel chunk missing. I alwasy say that an insegnificant diffect in a new product is against evil eyes.
watching this after getting curious about the saws origin , the way its been packaged makes me suspect that it was actually a customer return being sold on as new just to get it off their hands in the shop selling it to
guess you need to fix it youreself as they probably trow a hissyfit when you start to trow youre weight around about it being defected
they might actually have gotten their refund from the manufacturer after taking it back from the former owner allready before selling it on to youre local shop making it their problem
Oh good lord I worry about getting chips like that in my eye.
Why level the saw? With sloped floors, as you say, if you move the stands then you need to adjust the stand height. If you make the saw parallel to the floor, if the floor is flat you shouldn’t have to adjust the stand height.
Stop using that crap too small a gauge extension cord on the saw. Shame on you, you know better. Plug directly to 20 circuit, (no frigg'n extension cord) watch that slow start go away. I bet you a beer! Super nice saw...
I would have a vacuum near the saw and then blow the saw off.
Sounds like a starting capacitor problem, put a baldor motor on it not that Chinese crap
That's a ton of money for a saw that can't make a square cut.
I hope you just rolled the Johnson off camera....
hello nerds
Bro why you paint your nails?
I think they went cheep on the electric motor I check the website and they used to have a Marathon Motor that is a industrial motor and the one your saw looks like a china rip off
Are your finger nails painted black? Or is that frostbite lol
Why would you use a long, undersized extension cord on any of your tools??????? Come on don't blame the motor...
Just used a 20ft cord, super thick wires, still have same problem. its a mobile saw...the solution cant be to not use an extension cord.
Motor looks like it is from China
Why your nails black?
Makes it easier to see where your fingers start and stop
@@fozzyami 🤣🤣
Why are your finger nails black?
Seems of ok quality that electric motor concerns me a lot hope they make it right