Older "non N" Zoom H1 used for 50 bucks will serve you better. It doesn't have the physical dial, on hold you cannot change the setting by accident, it does use 1 AA battery, it has an orange back lit screen like tascam :)
Some extra things! I _do_ know that rechargeable batteries exist, however they tend to give out more unexpectedly so I've been sticking to alkaline for this application. This particular DR-05 recorder was unused for a while and forgot its settings, so I've inadvertently been recording 16 bit rather than 24. Oops. (edit): One rather huge plus of the Tascam is that it has little rubber feet on its back so when it sits on a flat surface, it's insulated from vibrations. Its electrical noise problems limit the actual usefulness of this feature, but that sort of attention to detail is something you'd expect to get from a professional product, and the Zoom notably lacks these! Keep in mind that the conclusion I came to is for pretty much *one* specific application. If I were using these devices for more things, I might come to a very opposite conclusion. And UI means a lot. Yes, I could probably have gotten used to the change, but there are enough things that just _annoy_ me with the one I don't like that back to the warehouse it goes!
Capturing audio in 24-bit PCM is a gimmick. The signal-to-noise ratio of undithered 16-bit PCM is 96 dB, and various dithering algorithms can make it even higher. There is literally no reason to capture in 24-bit PCM if your eventual audio sink is a human ear. (It does still make sense to edit and mix in 24-bit, though.)
Tascam DR-100 Mk3 has internal battery and 2xAA Battery capacity (but is a chunky and robust one). but for only LAV MIC there is the Tascam DR-10L The TASCAM DR-10L is an ultra-compact, incredibly convenient digital recorder/lavalier microphone combo. For added flexibility, the included wired lavalier microphone is affixed via a 1/8" screw-down lock connector compatible with most Sennheiser lavalier mics and mics with the same connector.
@@whitslack Didn't you just kinda explain why it's better to capture in 24 bit at the end, there? You can argue how effective it is due to the s/n ratio of the mic and recorder, but if the levels are low in 24 bit you can boost them much higher before the noise floor comes in. In theory, anyway.
SHARING A TIP SINCE IT'S THE TOP VIDEO: If you have "pre-record" on inside the settings, the DR-05 will use the internal mics to record EVEN IF YOU HAVE A MIC PLUGGED IN. Remember to turn that setting off when you have a external mic plugged in. The internal mic will pick up extra sound (though very faintly), but it still technically on. Make sure to turn off that setting when you have a external mic plugged in, that way only your external mic is picking up sound.
Mini USB is not that much larger than Micro USB. Micro USB sucks by comparison - It's more fragile, yet is used on shit we plug into frequently! Grrrh! It's the same with "ultra thin" phones. I'd rather have a 1mm thicker phone with a Mini USB and a decent battery life than a super thin 3mm thick phone that needs a 9mm thick case any g_damned way!
@@jamesslick4790 What?! Micro was MUCH more durable than mini. Mini could only stand up to a few thousand insertions (real world insertion cycle lifespan was on the order of 1000 cycles instead of the expected 5000), where Micro could handle tens of thousands (typically going past its rated 10000 insertion cycle rating). IIRC, that's one of the reasons Mini was "deprecated" in favor of micro. My own experience confirms that, with many more mini-usb ports damaged than micro USB.
I find it interesting how micro-USB has quickly become a sort of power transmission standard. In some public places there are now USB plugs in the wall rather than NEMA outlets. Many people I talk to (non-computer users) don't even know what USB is, or about its amazing data capabilities that unified computer peripherals. Someone once referred to it as "the Samsung wire." My reasonably technical friend has even fallen for this. I bugged him about it and he defended himself, saying: "no one knows what USB is."
I like the Tascam too. I've been using the Tascam for years without ever seeing the 6-second write timeout, so I would suspect that the micro-SD card is the problem.
I had the Zoom H4 and then upgraded to the H5 and could not be happier. I’ve never used the H1n but I’ve never run into any of the issues you mentioned on the higher models. The big benefits of the H5 is swappable top mic modules. I have stereo and shot gun mic modules that I use pretty regularly. It also has XLR and 1/4in connections. All my mics use XLR so the pro connections are a must. I mainly use external mics and it’s nice to simul-record the onboard mic as a backup and for doing quick recording of room noise for editing purposes. It also has bars over the level knobs to prevent you from accidentally adjusting them.
Same! I live and die by my H4n. I think the functionality and quality is probably leagues beyond the H1, though I still appreciate the behind-the-scenes for the TC production. Regardless, the onboard stereo mics have great, clear quality, and ditto regarding the XLR connectors being critical to what I use it for. The interface is great, the options are useful, it's just $80 more expensive.
I'm not certain of the technical differences between the Micro and Mini USB ports but I can say that I have devices older than my grandkids that still work perfectly well that use the Mini, and I have never had to repair or dispose of anything due to its port failing. Whereas, in the last 18 months I've had to dispose of one item and fork out a kings ransom on the repair of two others purely because their micro USB port no longer functioned as designed. My tuppence worth is that the Mini is sturdier. But I could just be both wrong and unlucky. Entertaining vid as usual sir. Thank you.
I think that’s right. USB-C hasn’t had a long enough lifespan yet to be sure, but it looks to be superior to both Mini and Micro thankfully. (The USB-C cables themselves are another matter as they vary drastically in quality, but you can replace a cable much easier than a port, as you know!)
@@TreyHarris I shan't lie; I had to Google USB-C. Benefit of working regardless of which side up you insert it. Does mean those who require glasses (that aren't handy) or have had an entertaining evening don't need to scrabble, scratch and damage an already delicately sized port by trying to insert the plug the wrong way up. Which being another issue I don't seem to have a problem with when encountering a mini yet suffer every morning with my phone that relies on a micro.
@AshGCG Yes, USB-C was introduced in 2016 (roughly when USB 3.1 was released, so the two are frequently conflated and you may hear a USB-C port called a “USB 3.1 port”, but they actually aren’t the same thing. Technically you can use a USB-C cable to carry any version of USB (just as you can use Ethernet, DisplayPort, or Thunderbolt to carry USB signals). But at the same time, you can use USB-C cables to carry not just USB (3.1, or whatever), but also Thunderbolt (something prior USB cables couldn’t do in spec). Thunderbolt 3 has abandoned the Mini DisplayPort form factor used in Thunderbolt 1 and 2 in favor of the USB-C form factor. Also, as of May 2017, Thunderbolt became royalty-free, so it doesn’t impose a significant cost on hardware that can support it as it once did. So in the last two years, we’ve actually seen some PC motherboards with USB-C buses get firmware updates that let them support Thunderbolt 3 natively as well. Since Thunderbolt can carry USB sub-signals, you can use a single USB-C _style_ cable for power, high-resolution video, _and_ high-speed USB. Recent MacBook models use this feature so that you can plug in a single cable from your monitor, and if you have USB mouse, keyboard, and other components connected to the monitor, that single cable supplies power to the laptop, lets the laptop drive a large external screen, _and_ lets you use the keyboard and mouse and other USB peripherals. The fully reversible nature of USB-C (there are no longer “A” host and “B” guest “ends” to the cables, and the plugs are symmetric and autosensing so it doesn’t matter which direction you plug them in) is another big usability win. Probably the biggest downside (or, at least, nuisances) of this is that a given USB-C cable is not necessarily capable of supporting Thunderbolt 3 at full speed and/or the highest power draws. You need to buy a Thunderbolt 3 cable (which happens to look like a USB-C cable from the outside) for that. These are often called “active” cables, because they require circuitry hidden in the plugs at either end of the cable to let them do the proper handshaking-the cables are, in effect, self-contained point-to-point buses. There are even fiber-optic USB-C/Thunderbolt 3 cables, which permit very long distance runs; the cable draws power from whatever it’s plugged into to power the laser transmitters and receivers, and (usually) has a copper strand that only transmits power, since optical fiber can’t conduct electricity itself. Calling Thunderbolt-capable USB-C cables “active” cables, though, is a bit of a misnomer, since all USB-C cables-whether capable of fancy Thunderbolt handshaking or laser optics or not-must have embedded circuitry to handle USB power delivery correctly. (On the flip side, however, any Thunderbolt 3 cable is capable of serving as an excellent USB 3.1 cable if you plug it into a non-Thunderbolt port.) Early third-party USB-C cables available in 2016 or earlier were somewhat notorious for having poor-quality and/or not-to-spec circuitry that could, in worst-case scenarios, send power surges capable of bricking (permanently destroying) devices you plugged them into. But thanks to some aggressive policing by engineers at Google and elsewhere, that’s not a big problem today. (Cables not up to spec-resulting in poor data performance or slower-than-usual charging, are still a problem-but cables _destroying hardware_ due to bad power management is rare today.) So, long story short, USB-C cables (at least, when manufactured well) are nearly always superior to all three mini- and micro- USB-B cable formats (see commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:USB_2.0_and_3.0_connectors.svg for diagrams). The difficulty of orienting especially the single-lobed¹ micro-USB B plug is just one big advantage of USB-C. - ¹ The diagram linked from Wikimedia Commons illustrates the rather seldom-used dual-lobed micro-USB B SuperSpeed plug, which was much easier than the more common single-lobed micro-B connector to orient correctly-probably easier than even the mini-B connector in practice. But aside from a couple of USB hard drives I’ve purchased, I’ve never actually seen these in the wild.
I have the Zoom H1n and I use it for recording live music. The only big issue I've had is the battery life, which is surprisingly short. I don't plug an external mic into it, so my experience is different than yours, but the onboard mics are fantastic for recording live music. It does take a little longer to dial in the zoom, but I am very happy what the zoom has done for my uses.
I've been in professional video production for almost 4 years and there's no replacing the near universal knowledge people have of the Tascam platform. Tascam is used on about every professional production I've been apart of, and for good reason. Whether you're using the DR-05, DR-40, DR-60D, or DR-70D, if you've used one Tascam, you've used them all.
I know this is an old video and comment but though it was worth a response. There is still likely to be an issue if you are out and about recording on the street, etc with the DR-05/DR-05X/DR07X recording others. The benefits of studios is that you can use a dedicated mic for each person so the problem is unlikely to appear if you can afford all the gear. However if you are say a small station whether radio/audio or video/TV and you want to go to location, or you have many in the studio, then using these Tascams is likely to be an issue. I know a lot of wildlife audio recorders use the Tascams and in that scenario it is unlikely to be an issue unless the wildlife is in town or by a substation. The H1/H1n is used by a lot of motorcycle and cycle Vloggers with only a few using one of the Tascams. The H1n has reportedly better Pres though that is unlikely to make much difference to those Vloggers.
I was "this close" to buying the Zoom to address audio issues I am having with my TH-cam videos, when I found this video. I intend to primarily use an audio recorder with a lav and your video points out the problem with the volume dial on the Zoom that really seems like it might be a bad option for someone like me. So thanks for your insights!!
Suggest buy new micro SD card, the supplied card not really reliable and newer faster card don't get those issue, but max size is 32gb don't need anything bigger.
On the TASCAM settings, where you can set the maximum file size.... it's handy for editing the audio. If you set it at 1G, the biggest file you'll have to edit is 1G... which makes transfers into your editing software faster. You won't lose anything when it ends one file and starts another. I have one dr05 that doesn't like running on its batteries, so I plug it into a little power supply via usb. I own two of those things and I love them. Never had an issue with the electronic interference... maybe cuz I set the record levels to zero because I use them to record rehearsals of my heavy metal band (using onboard mics), which is very loud. Way back in the day, we used tascam 4-track recorders with no issues. It's all good.
That's a handy use case. I know that audio recorders all the way up to $12k film recorders use FAT32 for storage formatting. I don't know why they use FAT32, but a side effect is maximum file size is 4GB, hence the Tascam will automatically, seamlessly, cut the file in segments of 4GB if it reaches that point. I'd assume the Zoom does the same, but I haven't used one hands on. I loved my DR-40 for years, best purchase I ever made, and I ran into the 4GB maximum size very often. The DR-40 is still kicking, just being used by someone else now :)
When I was a journalist working in a radio station we used that Tascam and loved it. It's a "real" piece of kit that does exactly what you want it to do
I have been using an Olympus recorder for the past 8 years and I love the intuitive menu. I brought a second Olympus recorder because i allowed a 32 gig card rather than a 16 gig on the original LS10 version. If you put in a brand new card it automatically formats the card.
I own and use several Tascam recorders. When it comes to memory cards, I have learned to always look at Tascam’s recommendations list for memory cards. Anytime I’ve experienced a glitch with a card, it’s usually because it’s not on their list. Also, always use the USB transfer cable to move files to your computer. Placing the car directly into the computer allows the computer to rewrite files that the Tascam may not tolerate when you put the card back into the Tascam recorder. And finally, always try to leave at least a 10% buffer on the card don’t try to max out the recording time, this can cause data errors to show up during recording.
I always have used the original Zoom H1 with a Sennheiser Lav mic, and I have had no issues. I do any processing, (Eq, Compress and limit and noise gate) in software. I typically record at a slightly lower volume, or I set my levels by talking as loud as I ever will duding the video and set that as my absolute maximum before clipping. The new Zoom H1n I haven’t used, but I can say I like the Togo always better. Never had any real problems with it. Recording with internal mics, lav, wireless hand held and even doing stereo line level in, all work great.
Good rundown... though I have to ask: Why didn't you used the backup Tascam unit for recording this video? :) I'm also the kind of dummy who would open up the Tascam and see if I could glue some thinned-out aluminum foil around the case to see if I could make my own shielding... but not if it risks breaking it. (Then again, I've been know to put guts of broken things into leftover containers and use them that way, cheapskate that I am.) The EEVBlog forum has a few discussions about the Tascam but nothing specifically about interference at first glance... but someone did a project to deal with the too-hot headphone/line-in problem. Also, +2 for Tom Scott and Matt Gray. Thanks for explaining the issues with these things. (Not that I'll need them - I have a voice made for silent films.)
As already pointed out in the comments, the "H1n" is slightly different from the "H1", indeed some of the issues pointed with the H1n aren't a thing on the H1: for instance it has a couple of rubber pads so when it's on the table doesn't pick up light vibrations. A lot of setups of H1 are manual (like the Audio Recording format: MP3 or WAV is a manual switch), and other settings are driven by a menu (didn't tried if audio levels can be changed while on Hold, but I think it stops all); moreover H1 uses MiniUSB and not micro, and so on, I can tell. And a lot of other differences I won't talk at the moment. To be fair I didn't knew the H1n model until you pointed out this one, but I can understand the struggle. What astonishes me right now are the prices. Here in Italy I bought my H1 a bit more than one year ago at around 90 euros, now the H1n is around that price (83 euros on amazon), whilst the Tascam DR-05 is stil available, but at 129 euros 🤔💸😱
If you look at the datasheets for typical alkaline batteries; let's say the Duracell Coppertop, the AA has a rated capacity of about 2000mAh when discharged to 1V with a constant 0.25W load. The equivalent AAA Coppertop has a rated capacity of about 750mAh under the same test conditions. Quite a substantial energy capacity difference between AA's and AAA's. I would only want AAA's in a product where size and weight is absolutely critical.
@@shadowking141ghost I don't remember the exact video as he's mentioned it more than once before. Possibly the video where he tests the capacity of various batteries or maybe when he hacked a flicker light. Check out his channel if you haven't already. bigclivedotcom is the channel name.
the only thing AAA has going for it is when being used in small RC cars they charge nearly as fast as they deplete. 500-800mAh is tiny. the newest panasonic and eneloop (same thing?) AA batteries have 2000mAh and claim they can be recharged 2100 times, which is big, if true. I won't know for years yet!
Your video convinced me to drop the Zoom H1n and picked up Tascam DR-05 X because i use Rode VideoMic NTG as my input audio. Easy navigating interface is important. I had a 4K 7" external camera monitor made from a metal which was what I really wanted, but some of the key features I was not able to find it. I had to return that monitor. Since I had such a bad experience before, bad interface is a no no for me. Thanks so much for your detailed info. I was confused for several day and trying to figure out which of the recorders I should get.
That's funny about the Zoom H1n as the H1 has the level control on the side, has an orange background screen light, I'm pretty sure it is locked out on hold, and uses a single AA. AAs are more common, tend to have them for wireless mics, cheaper, and higher capacity. I use an older H1 as a backup recorder for an audio mixer and it works well for that, yet would see the level control on the top not locked out on hold and the AAA batteries as a pain.
I just got the updated dr-05X.... A few things I would like to point out with the comments I've read here!. for the people saying there recording stops after a few seconds, They may check the support section of tascam's site to see if there is a firmware update to address the issues... I just updated mine from the 1.10 it came with to the latest 1.14. 2. In regards to all the complaints about the RF interference, the manual states that it is susceptible to it and suggestes to move away from the source of interference, so I'm not sure why the complaints. * Precautions for placement and use * it states " If this unit is placed near a power amplifier or other device with a large transformer, it could cause a hum. If this occurs, increase the distance between this unit and the other device. " and also states " This unit might produce noise if a mobile phone or other wireless device is used nearby to make calls or send or receive signals. If this occurs, increase the distance between this unit and those devices or turn them off. " Tascam clearly states this! so people should expect that it may happen.... So folks should spend time reading the manual before complaining, Just my two tarnished cents lol.
I have the DR-05 and I looooooooove it. I use it with a Takstar SGC 598 shotgun mic ($30) and it sounds golden. The Takstar mic is the most underrated mic.
Stuff That May Not Matter I never use the DB boost or the other features on the Takstar... I just love the way it sounds. I chose it over the Rode Video Pro. Was ready to spend over $200 on the Rode but the Takstar sounded better. Was shocked when I found out it was only $30.
I have the cheaper Zoom H1, which uses buttons to change the volume levels and the hold switch works the way you want it to. So, surprisingly the cheaper version is better. (It's also powered by a single AA.) Although I guess at current prices the DR-05 is even cheaper than the "cheap" Zoom. If I ever need to buy another field recorder I'll definitely give the DR-05 a shot.
I am using Zoom H5 to record audio from concerts , i also don't use batteries but power via external battery bank trough usb micro. And it has fantastic sound !
I've got the DR-05 and I think it's great for the money. If you turn the sensitivity down, you can record some really loud guitars without overloading the onboard mics. I also have used some of their 4-track recording equipment back in the day. They make some really good, affordable equipment for the everyday user.
I have the Zoom H1 non N and it has the nice easy to read orange backlight; the input level obeys the hold. It also has the mini USB and the 3.5mm input puts are square to the body. Also it runs on a single AA. The worst thing about it is the rattle from the switches on the underside. I did find a fix by dissembling it and putting smalls pieces of blu-tack between the SMD switch and the plastic you actually move. Also the threaded mount is plasticrap.
The dial was added keeping field recording in mind. I always keep a small recorder like the H1n in hand so that if I come across a cool sound, I can record it. Sometimes you have to act quick, like a car pass by. With a rocker switch, by the time you've set the levels, the opportunity is gone. With the dial you can quickly set levels and go. The Tascam actually sounds better in my opinion but having a slightly lower quality recording is better than no recording or an unusable one. Although a fader lock (like in more high end recorders) would have been useful. You can use a clip to mount it outside your pocket or just keep it on a small tripod/stand off to the side. Or put a piece of masking tape across it. It holds well enough to prevent unwanted movement and leaves no residue.
I think you would like Zoom H4n. It has all the features you listed and the sound quality. It's a bit more pro model in that it has two XLR / plug connectors and you can also do 4-track recordings, but it functions very well in basic recording. The older H4n (without Pro) is still just fine and there's plenty around.
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Loved the vid. I'm looking into Tascam and am an audio recording noob.. just hearing what people are using these devices for specifically (lav + tascam) is really helpful.
I love the Tascam. I don't have that sd card bug you were talking about. But I do have the issue where it picks up interference. It's a very useful for school projects and family recordings. A couple months ago I converted my grandpa's cassettes with the tascam. I set the sample rate to 96k with the file format as a 24 bit wave file. Sounds great.
Zoom H5 would solve pretty much everything you mentioned, and then some: - Better build quality - Larger screen - Guards to protect the gain dials - mini-usb - Large battery - XLR inputs - Flat connections
I'm so glad that I came across this video. I began to worry after getting the Tascam DR-05X, THEN seeing that most TH-camrs use the Zoom. I was worried that I had thrown $100 out the window, but I feel much better now. 🙂
My wife has the H1n and is quite happy with it, but she is using the internal mic on it for recording and for that it is quite good. The user interface does seem very weird on it though. It is also quite handy as a much better mic on the camera using a hotshoe to tripod adapter to mount it on top of the camera using the lineout to connect to the mic jack on the camera. For that the user interface is of course irrelevant since it just has to be on and send the audio straight out. Being quite small and light is nice for that use case.
Some years back I boucht the Tascam DR-40, which seems to be the bigger brother of your DR-05 for a project where I had to do some recording using a boom mic. The built-in microphones of the DR-40 did not seel to pick up much electrical interference when I tested the device, and - to answer one of your complaints, the two microphones can be switched between a V and an X arrangement as desired. Honestly my main reason for buying the Tascam back in the day was that out of all devices that met both the technical specs and my budget, it was the only one that had a well-known brand name on it. Tascam has basically been around forever, I remember working the FOH at events where we used Tascam DAT machines for the music and all other non-live audio, and they were good and reliable. (And other than other known brands it's not just something new with an old name, it is still the same company)
I said zoom mics weren't the best once on a Facebook ad and the fanbase came down on me with insults and assumptions about my ineptitude with audio. Those people are in a freaking cult, goddamn.
Enjoyed the video. I have to support the Tascam. I'm a touring musician and swear by this thing. Have had it since they first came out way back and take it to every rehearsal and many live shows when I'm able to set it up. I use it to monitor my performances and band performance as well. Have never encountered the bugs you described to date. I use it with both the installed mics and a simple Tascam external stereo mic with great results. I'm not looking for studio quality here...just something to reference to. Download the rehearsal files to a DAW and edit. You'd be amazed at the end result. Something I can share with band mates as well. Love this thing.
I may be mistaken, but isn't the H4n the equivalent model on the Zoom lineup? This is more like comparing a low cost smartphone with a flagship device. (not talking about price, but about features)
I reckon that the H2(n) would be the more similar product. I've got an old silver Zoom H2 and a Tascam DR-07 lying around and although they both use AA's the Tascam lasts forever compared to the Zoom.
Old H1 costs more then dr-05 where I live. H4 is even more pricey. And using it similar to the author: to record from lavalier mic. In noisy windy conditions with variable sound levels, so peak reduction and auto level is a must. So made similar choice. Alternatives would be specialised for external mics zoom F1-LP or tascam dr-10L, but they cost twice as much.
I have an H4n and throughout this whole video I kept thinking "you can do that with an H4n" and wondering why Zoom would make such a ridiculous interface when they've proven their ability to make a good one. As far as I know, adding more menu options does not require the device to be larger!
I have a DR-07 mkII and really like it. I also like seeing behind the scenes stuff. Your process, lighting, camera, editing.. it would all be cool to see.
I'm still using the original Zoom H2 and it's great. It's got proper menus, nice blinky lights, settings up the wazoo, everything a geek needs. The only thing negative is that if you are recording very very subtle sounds, you can hear a squeaky noise on the audio, presumable it's the data transfer leaking in on the audio components. But if you are recording standard stuff, vocals, instruments, what not, it's great. Uses double A's too. :-) Can probably pick these up for super cheap on the used market.
I love that you are not suuuper picky about sound quality! I wanna hear your good words and its ok if they are not in Mega HiFi. You remind us a lot that people have different quality/convenience sweet spots and that that is OK, and that is comforting and constructive.
I use the H1N sideways mic input is annoying when it's in your pocket. Anyway, a great solution for just recording a LAV mic is a low-mid range Sony dictaphone, they are half price (less if you go for mono) excellent sound quality, nice menus, no annoying dials, track marking, onboard and external storage, most are Triple A BUT last about 50 hours. And they don't feel like they they are going to break when they are in your pocket. Some don't have manual gain control, like the cheapest one I bought first, but it didn't need it, no clipping, worked flawlessly.
I have only the Zoom H1 (predecessor to the H1N) for about $60 on sale at Amazon, & I have to say I think it seems to be a little better designed than the H1N in a lot of ways. For the price I paid, it's been a very good starter mic for me. But the Tascam does seem to be much more user friendly, & with way better battery life (provided you use an external mic with it). Thanks for the info, though. I'm looking for a way to record quality audio with my phone, which doesn't have a headphone jack. With my H1 as mic & current 3 ring adapters I get a lot of hissing & crackling which has been a huge problem. Thanks! 😃
Thanks for making this comparison! I was almost about to buy the H1n but I'm glad I saw an honest review of it before! I've actually owned the Zoom H4n for 8 years now and it has been absolutely amazing; better than the Tascam in my opinion plus two XLRs, full-size SD, and a crap ton more. Probably not a great option for you since it's so large, but I think the H1n was really quite a few steps down from the classic H4n.
I feel like Zoom is a more well known prosumer brand so more people subconsciously associate it as being higher quality even though Tascam make excellent pro audio solutions, they’re just not as recognizable to the general public so their overall perception of quality is less.
I've been using a Zoom H2n for years and I got a Zoom H6 a couple of years ago. The H2n is a bit chunkier than what you're used to but I think it's a much better unit than the H1n. I don't tend to put recorders in my pocket, though. The Zoom's tend to have analog style dials for changing gain settings and that's usually not something that a hold button will lock out. the Tascam is better for you that respect. For tools like this, it's really all about your specific needs. Apparently the Zoom doesn't fit the bill.
I’ve got the Zoom H1n and the same Rode lav mic with adapter. I use it a lot for vlogs and other youtube video audio recordings. I’ve got it for almost 2 years now and have found a lot of the same problems. In my experience the zoom is very noisy and tiny buttons are too sensitive. They are too easily bumped when I put it in my pocket and the worst thing is the battery life. Also I’ve had many many cases where it would just stop recording after 15 minutes whilst filming a vlog with the thing in my pocket. There is always plenty of space on the card but just does that sometimes, so I often end up using the goPro audio for the part after 15 minutes and put a text in the video to notify the viewer that the audio changes.... Also when the batteries cut out it doesn’t warn you with an audible beep or anything to notify that the batteries are about to die. The interface is just fiddely too.
I bought a tascam DR-07x and I think it's a great design but the same day I encountered the horrendous electrical interference while recording in building. Had to return it next day. Too risky. Got a Zoom h2n and zoom h1n. Both are great, although the h1n does have a noisy background when the gain is higher than 7-8 while recording quiet ambience. However the sound quality from the built in mics is astounding and rich. Battery life isn't the greatest but can be powered from usb. Also that hidden menu can be reached by holding trash button while turning on. Take a second look, it's not a half bad recorder actually. 🙂
Oh no! There may be a rip in the space time continuum. I actually agree with this guy about Tascam vs. Zoom. My use case is a bit different, I'll explain. But first, there is a problem with this review. He is comparing the H1n (new model) with the DR-05 (old model). The current model of the DR-05 is the DR-05X. Announced 2019, I believe. You'll be disappointed to know they went with the 'white' LED back light like the H1n. Also, I did not know about the mic shielding issue and I don't know if this is fixed in the DR-05X. The H1n interface is a little different from the H1. Also the H1n, as mentioned, uses 2xAAA batteries. The H1 uses 1xAA. I find the H1 interface clunky and annoying. To format a card you hold the trash can icon button while powering up. To set the clock you hold the REC button. And if you change the batteries you loose the time! Not so on the DR-05. And all those settings are in somewhat understandable menus. One confusing part is what he almost did. Initialize will reset the DR-05 to default settings. You have to select FORMAT, or Full Format, not initialize. I have the opportunity to use both the H1 and DR-05 on a weekly bases. So boy, do I have an opinion. I also own a DR-05. The H1 is used for both recording by mic and line level. But the DR-05 is line level only. As he mentioned, it's 'line level' can be a bit hot. I fixed this with a specialize cable that drops the signal level -10dB. Works great now! Wish I could remember where I purchased it. So, why don't I use the H1 instead if it works better (somewhat) with line level. Because the stupid thing back feeds +2V down the line level into mixes and such. Causing some equipment to not act right. And there's no way to turn this OFF! Unlike the DR-05. I understand this is NOT fixed in the H1n! I do like the easier to read (bigger) display on the DR-05. I think the Zoom's biggest draw for many people is its size. Finally, I have not ever had a microSD issue with the DR-05. Either with the church's or my own. Have you upgraded it to the current firmware? It adds features too but I find none of them useful. Well, it does make the text in menus a little easier to read. But I hear it may help flash card compatibility. Neither is perfect and I guess the around $100 makes it that way. But if Tascam with fix the small issues that would make it near perfect. The H1/H1n has no hope. Perhaps they are protecting their more expensive units.
This is some fantastic extra detail, thank you for taking the time to write it all. "Perhaps they are protecting their more expensive units" - think you may be right in the money here. There is always going to be a use case for higher spec, higher price point units. But sometimes it feels like lower spec units in a range don't really belong in that range at all.
It feels like microphone season. Woody from Woody's piano shack channel too did a video on which microphones he uses. Check it out for some more perspectives and options if you need.
I have the DR7. Don't use the mics much. When using the input with line level sources I have to put an adjustable attenuater inline if the input source doesn't have an adjustable output level. The DR7 does have a great feature set. I think it even has an overdub feature, as well as file splitting capabilities.
I've had a Tascam DR-05 for many years and never had a file write issue or experienced an electrical interference problem. Lucky perhaps. I've mostly use it to record an amateur chorale group's live concerts (just for the fun of it) with the device mounted on a tripod. My only complaint is that the omni-directional mics pick up every foot shuffle and candy wrapper in the venue. The sound quality seems good to me but I've no other recorders to compare with so I guess if I don't know of better - then it's a great device!
My old Zoom H4 uses a 9v charger, so I got a 9.6v RC battery pack and put on a compatible plug. Lasts eons. If I had a 5v unit I'd probably make a similar pack with 4 AAs.
I have been using the DR-05 for a few years. its great. Never understood why people buy the Zoom either. the Tascam just works better and is cheaper. Looking at getting a DR-07 or something higher up the range eventually. I havent had interference issues with the internal mics. but have had issues with a Mini-XLR mic on a Mini-XLR to TRS adapter. it would pick up tons of interference. switching to a mic that used TRS fixed that. in its defence I am sitting right under a wireless access point beaming out 2.4ghz and 5ghz and I guess the conversion between balanced and unbalanced allowed that to leak into the recording
Zoom is so heavy on marketing influence. Tascam just goes about the business of making gear. A lot of it for any budget. Zoom got a ton of attention with the H4N and is moving upscale. When I tell musicians it's a Tascam DR-40... "blink, stare, silence".... it's like a Zoom ... "Oh! Yeah. Nice."
I actually have the Rode SmartLav+ and the Zoom H1n, but I've only had the H1n for a week... I've used the SmartLav+ for a number of years with my phone and having the + is the good thing, all of my recordings sound great with this mic. However, the H1n is the upgrade, Tom Scott uses the H1 which is the earlier version and has the level control in a different place. I'll let you know how I get on...
Just for info: Tascam released new DR-X series and ... the unforgivable interference issue is still there :-( I prefer clean recording rather than fancier interface. Zoom H1n is small improvement of really basic H1, even the 2xAAA batteries is rather improvement (H1 has one AA battery and ugly draining issue when recorder is turned off. Basicaly when it's completely off, the battery only lasts about 10 days). Unfortunately the cost went higher (it costs roughly the same as DR-05X). When I was choosing new recorder, the choice was really tough. But I often use built-in microphones and Tascams interference issue (through whole series, this is not DR-05(X) specific) is really problem. But yes, no one of them is ultimate winner. P.S.: MicroUSB connector has 5000 minimum designed insertions whereas microUSB has 10000. It looks more subtle, but it should be more reliable. Although USB-C should have 10000 insertions too, but frankly I don't believe that. Most of USB-C cable connectors I've had never survived more than 1 year (even after 100 insertions there were noticeable changes on some cables).
Cool, I want the tascam for that inteference flaw for sound design. On Thomann the H1n is slightly cheaper, but not by much. Agree that the backlight on the Tascam is easier on the eyes. And definetly better options.
Have, and like, my DR-07. Heard about it in a podcast about 10 years ago, and have used it since I bought it 9 and a half years ago, primarily as a platform to transfer audiobooks to a format I could use until I found an audio in adapter for the radio in my truck. Looking at it now, I need to replace the rubber feet on the back. Nothing really out of the ordinary there. Not sure where I'm going to find rubber feet that have a cross section of 1/8", (3.5mm) but that looks like what I need. It does have the 1/4-20 mount hole on the back though, so I can do a different setup for that if I would like, say a go-pro quarter-20 to connector, and connector to foot, so that I can position it better. I think the DR-07 came with a windscreen, but that vanished long ago, and foam like that doesn't tend to last 10 years or more anyway. It comes from the time of the full size sd card, so not a MicroSD w/o the adapter sleeve. Has the MiniUSB connector, which is tough to get a replacement for, but will also take 5v DC through a barrel connector if I am going to use it as a recording output for my mixer. If I were to complain about it at all, it would be that the UI for starting a recording is "interesting." You don't "Just hit record", you "Hit record, then hit it again to confirm that you want to record." Possibly something that can be configured for better usability, just haven't dug into it far enough. I see that it cost me $143 9 and a half years ago. Not available on Amazon, but it looks like the sequel to it the DR-07x (with crossed mics) is available, and the dr07mkII the latter costing less, and with the amber screen. Thanks for the video.
I've never had that problem (mixing up which rings the "R"s in TRS & TRRS refer to) and now I can feel this compulsion to recognize those insulator rings as *the* rings. Thanks for taking advantage of my weak mind Alec! =P
Alec basically already answered his own question. Why would people like the Zoom better? Because it's smaller. Potentially also brand recognition... even though both brands have been around in the market for a very very long time. I think Tascam also has a smaller model closer to H1n. Back years ago when I was personally shopping around for a recorder, Zoom came with the first H1, which was incredibly cheap for a digital audio recorder, way cheaper than the competition, and it was also smaller than any recorder in the market. Zoom also already had lots of fame for external audio recorders with the H4n's success, plus the history for musicians. That gave it a huge boost in brand recognition for the category, lots of TH-camrs and general videographers got one if not to use as main gear, at least for B-roll. I got myself a Tascam DR-07 MkII. The other thing is that usually, for a studio setup, videographers tend to go for the box style mounted between the camera and tripod XLR boxes, so the portable recorders are bought with portability in mind, where size and weight matters. I think you should go with what works for you Alec. Personally, if I needed one right now, I'd have to do a full research into it according to what I needed for. Lots and lots of good options nowadays, not only for recorders, but also for microphones and whatnot. These product lines and brands have truly grown in recent years.
Tascam released the DR-05X a few months ago. No idea if it fixes the bugs you mentioned, but unfortunately for you (Alec) they changed the display color to that of the Zoom.
Ah dagnabbit! White LEDs are invading everything... Though honestly it's the size/resolution that bothers me more about the Zoom's display. Its backlight is harsh but easy enough to get acclimated to...
@@TechnologyConnextras H1n has a brightness and contrast control for the screen in the system menu - holding trash while starting up brings in all the system options.
Ok I am very, VERY late to this party, but I've worked in and with audio production for a while. In general I have found that Tascam reliably outperforms Zoom in every application I have ever encountered. Zoom has a reputation of being cheap, and you get what you pay for.
I own a Tascam DR-40 and I compared it to quite a few Zoom models having the Tascam coming out the winner all the time. Actually, the Tascam's audio quality is way above average and on good external mikes it made the Focusriet Saffire Pro 40 sound like AM radio.. :) The only bug I ran into with my Tascam is when recordinig 4 channel in 24/96 with effects on: simply the CPU/DSP gets overloaded and screwes up the recording. But I hardly ever record with effects on as I do that in post anyway.
"Actually, the Tascam's audio quality is way above average and on good external mikes it made the Focusriet Saffire Pro 40 sound like AM radio" No, it doesn't. You need to do a level matched blind test (level matching has to be within +-0.1dB and can not be measured acoustically). The end result will be "no audible difference". You can get measured differences but having them be audible differences would mean one of the devices is most likely defective.
@@squidcaps4308 I don't think that the difference a better quality ADC makes is inaudible. It is indeed very audible. Same for the pre-amps. If I still had the Focusrite I'm sure that measurements would also show the difference (amount and spectral distribution of distorsion, frequency / phase response, etc.) Of course what I hear is my own audio experience and obviously subjective. Actually the perception of any personal experience is unquestionable if we think about it :)
9:17... Just FYI, for any prospective buyer, you should know that the Zoom H1n can also run on bus power via USB, so it depends on your specific needs. I use mine predominantly on my computer desk, and just plug it in as a mic that then feeds into audacity or audition, so I don't really worry about battery life. They do run low quick though. No denying that.
@@TechnologyConnextras Further emphasizing the specific needs point. I just don't want people to immediately dismiss the Zoom, because beneath the simple interface is a pretty solid entry level recorder. And I don't know how the prices vary worldwide, but at least here in Bulgaria, the H1n is noticeably cheaper, which allowed me to purchase it plus the accessory kit for about the price of a lone DR-05.
Oddly enough, I have a Zoom H1 (_not_ the H1n), and it's a very different beast. The TRS jacks are in the same places, but they're properly perpendicular to the body of the recorder; all of the buttons except record are on the sides, which reduces accidental presses, and there's no dial, so hold works for levels; instead of two AAAs, it takes one AA; several options are taken out of menus and use switches on the back instead (with secure detents, so they don't get moved by accident); format is easy to find; it's got a mini USB jack; and it's even got an orange backlight! This is not any kind of defense, though; it's still only got the one record/peak light, and the UI still sucks, but it's definitely better than the H1n. Also cheaper; I think the H1n is supposed to be the improved model (which, as it so often does in technology, seems to mean the "less-intuitive interface" model). I also _think_ Tom Scott said he used the H1, not the H1n, although I also don't feel like going back and looking that video up to find out for certain.
Tascam is better because is can use two AA batteries, I agree with you on that. I always use auto-tone, because I use for moto-vlog, and both does an excellent job, but I do need that they work without human input for long periods. Which I really wanted was for you to explain the difference between "auto-tone head" and "auto-tone head+tail" on Tascam, which I never understood, they seem to be the same for me. Mic input on the top was also a huge deal for me, because I often use it on my pocked and that helps a lot. The older Zoom H1 was better because it had physical buttons on the back for the most important functions, which I really appreciated. But it had also the problem that those physical buttons could be toggled by mistake, specially if it was on your pocket and the "hold" function couldn't prevent that. I used that one for quite a while, stellar performance, but only one battery and the mic input in a worse place. The Zoon was cheaper in the past, but now one would have no reason to prefer it. Still both are very good, on that the Zoom engineers made a few choices that are an inconvenience for the user.
The auto-tone records a tone for synching audio. You connect the headphone from the recorder to the input on your camera. Start recording on the camera and then hit Record on the Tascam. When you edit, you can align the tones to sync with the video. The Head mode records the tone when you start recording. The Head+Tail mode records the tone when you start AND stop recording. I've downloaded videos where the audio slowly loses sync and is unwatchable by the end. A Head+Tail sync tone could have caught that.
Interesting to see about the pros and cons of these devices. I am wondering though, have you ever considered using a long boom microphone (on a stand)? Especially for videos where you are sitting down, it seems like you could set it up such that the microphone would be out of the frame. I guess that would not work if you wanted something for videos outside the studio though.
Now that I have an actual studio I am considering making that change down the road. A lav mic has been practically mandatory because of the large amount of ambient noise in and around my home (you heard it in this very video!). But the new HQ is dead silent so I'd like to experiment with a more permanent setup.
I owned an older zoom and I agree that it felt really cheap. It worked fine, but when I pulled it out of the box for the first time I felt like I had gotten ripped off, it felt that cheap to hold.
I have the DR-05, I bought it JUST based on the brand (something I ONLY do when I have experience with said brand. (Dell for PCs,Sharp for TVs for example -NOT because they asked me,or pay me - just YEARS of good experience). I have had PortaStudios in the day, So, Tascam means "recorder" to me. My '05 is beat-up and well used, but still runs solid! There IS the EMI interference problem (And I think,also it's due to lack of shielding of the built-in mics.), OTOH - This is not as bad as many other recorders (even the analog days). We have a lot more local EMI now, and in a studio situation (like yours, obviously, - You ARE technology Connections, LOL,) It's worse. However as a consumer "field recorder" - (Recording a local band with normal inputs) - The DR-05 is hard to beat at the price. PS, I have NO doubt that Zoom makes good gear, They sell for a reason - I just have NO experience with them. Good Video! - LOL, Editied to change "EMF" to "EMI" - It's been a long night!
Well................ Technically.............. It's been a few times big names have left their mic on well off camera out of conference room etc and said or done stupid things. Which is why if you can't see the person with mic you turn it off.
Zoom makes great effect pedal boards for musical instruments and is mostly designed for musicians where Tascam can both be sound tech friendly AND musician friendly. Zoom can be musician friendly.
I'm looking forward to a video explaining why Mini USB is better than Micro USB, Alec...
Is one of the first things to break in smartphones and if you ask them technicians will basically tell you to babysit your phone while it's charging
I hate them both but Mini-USB as designed had an expected like of 5,000 cycles. Micro-USB is 10,000 cycles. Neither is adequate.
Because is less breakable.
Micro usb places the latch (that wear out) on the cable. While Mini usb places the latch on the port.
Structural integrity basically. It's one of the reasons why USB Type C plug is a bit thicker than micro USB.
The write error is a good indicator of a failing flash card. Try another.
Older "non N" Zoom H1 used for 50 bucks will serve you better. It doesn't have the physical dial, on hold you cannot change the setting by accident, it does use 1 AA battery, it has an orange back lit screen like tascam :)
That’s the one that Tom Scott uses
That's the version 2 of the Zoom H1. Version 1 had no back screen and used 2 AAAs!
Some extra things!
I _do_ know that rechargeable batteries exist, however they tend to give out more unexpectedly so I've been sticking to alkaline for this application.
This particular DR-05 recorder was unused for a while and forgot its settings, so I've inadvertently been recording 16 bit rather than 24. Oops.
(edit): One rather huge plus of the Tascam is that it has little rubber feet on its back so when it sits on a flat surface, it's insulated from vibrations. Its electrical noise problems limit the actual usefulness of this feature, but that sort of attention to detail is something you'd expect to get from a professional product, and the Zoom notably lacks these!
Keep in mind that the conclusion I came to is for pretty much *one* specific application. If I were using these devices for more things, I might come to a very opposite conclusion.
And UI means a lot. Yes, I could probably have gotten used to the change, but there are enough things that just _annoy_ me with the one I don't like that back to the warehouse it goes!
Do profesional sound recorders have noise cancelling 🤔
Capturing audio in 24-bit PCM is a gimmick. The signal-to-noise ratio of undithered 16-bit PCM is 96 dB, and various dithering algorithms can make it even higher. There is literally no reason to capture in 24-bit PCM if your eventual audio sink is a human ear. (It does still make sense to edit and mix in 24-bit, though.)
Tascam DR-100 Mk3 has internal battery and 2xAA Battery capacity (but is a chunky and robust one). but for only LAV MIC there is the Tascam DR-10L
The TASCAM DR-10L is an ultra-compact, incredibly convenient digital recorder/lavalier microphone combo. For added flexibility, the included wired lavalier microphone is affixed via a 1/8" screw-down lock connector compatible with most Sennheiser lavalier mics and mics with the same connector.
@@whitslack Didn't you just kinda explain why it's better to capture in 24 bit at the end, there? You can argue how effective it is due to the s/n ratio of the mic and recorder, but if the levels are low in 24 bit you can boost them much higher before the noise floor comes in. In theory, anyway.
@@whitslack No, not really. It gives me room to not have to tightly set the level. Thank you.
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If you have "pre-record" on inside the settings, the DR-05 will use the internal mics to record EVEN IF YOU HAVE A MIC PLUGGED IN. Remember to turn that setting off when you have a external mic plugged in. The internal mic will pick up extra sound (though very faintly), but it still technically on. Make sure to turn off that setting when you have a external mic plugged in, that way only your external mic is picking up sound.
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Maybe mini-usb vs micro-usb deserves a video of its own?
Or the history of the Universal Serial Bus as a whole!
Yeah, that would also be good, after all USB is a Technology Connection, eh? Eh? ... okay, I'll show myself out.
Mini USB is not that much larger than Micro USB. Micro USB sucks by comparison - It's more fragile, yet is used on shit we plug into frequently! Grrrh! It's the same with "ultra thin" phones. I'd rather have a 1mm thicker phone with a Mini USB and a decent battery life than a super thin 3mm thick phone that needs a 9mm thick case any g_damned way!
@@jamesslick4790 What?! Micro was MUCH more durable than mini. Mini could only stand up to a few thousand insertions (real world insertion cycle lifespan was on the order of 1000 cycles instead of the expected 5000), where Micro could handle tens of thousands (typically going past its rated 10000 insertion cycle rating). IIRC, that's one of the reasons Mini was "deprecated" in favor of micro. My own experience confirms that, with many more mini-usb ports damaged than micro USB.
I find it interesting how micro-USB has quickly become a sort of power transmission standard. In some public places there are now USB plugs in the wall rather than NEMA outlets. Many people I talk to (non-computer users) don't even know what USB is, or about its amazing data capabilities that unified computer peripherals. Someone once referred to it as "the Samsung wire." My reasonably technical friend has even fallen for this. I bugged him about it and he defended himself, saying: "no one knows what USB is."
I like the Tascam too. I've been using the Tascam for years without ever seeing the 6-second write timeout, so I would suspect that the micro-SD card is the problem.
Props to Zoom for being brave enough to nearly name their phone after a strain of influenza virus.
Made me giggle 👍🏻
LOL. Technically when they come out with the next version H1n2, the original will be known as the H1n1
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Lol thinking the same 😁
I prefer the Zoom Bird Flu.
I had the Zoom H4 and then upgraded to the H5 and could not be happier. I’ve never used the H1n but I’ve never run into any of the issues you mentioned on the higher models. The big benefits of the H5 is swappable top mic modules. I have stereo and shot gun mic modules that I use pretty regularly. It also has XLR and 1/4in connections. All my mics use XLR so the pro connections are a must. I mainly use external mics and it’s nice to simul-record the onboard mic as a backup and for doing quick recording of room noise for editing purposes. It also has bars over the level knobs to prevent you from accidentally adjusting them.
Same! I live and die by my H4n. I think the functionality and quality is probably leagues beyond the H1, though I still appreciate the behind-the-scenes for the TC production. Regardless, the onboard stereo mics have great, clear quality, and ditto regarding the XLR connectors being critical to what I use it for. The interface is great, the options are useful, it's just $80 more expensive.
I'm not certain of the technical differences between the Micro and Mini USB ports but I can say that I have devices older than my grandkids that still work perfectly well that use the Mini, and I have never had to repair or dispose of anything due to its port failing. Whereas, in the last 18 months I've had to dispose of one item and fork out a kings ransom on the repair of two others purely because their micro USB port no longer functioned as designed.
My tuppence worth is that the Mini is sturdier. But I could just be both wrong and unlucky.
Entertaining vid as usual sir. Thank you.
I think that’s right. USB-C hasn’t had a long enough lifespan yet to be sure, but it looks to be superior to both Mini and Micro thankfully. (The USB-C cables themselves are another matter as they vary drastically in quality, but you can replace a cable much easier than a port, as you know!)
@@TreyHarris I shan't lie; I had to Google USB-C. Benefit of working regardless of which side up you insert it. Does mean those who require glasses (that aren't handy) or have had an entertaining evening don't need to scrabble, scratch and damage an already delicately sized port by trying to insert the plug the wrong way up. Which being another issue I don't seem to have a problem with when encountering a mini yet suffer every morning with my phone that relies on a micro.
@AshGCG Yes, USB-C was introduced in 2016 (roughly when USB 3.1 was released, so the two are frequently conflated and you may hear a USB-C port called a “USB 3.1 port”, but they actually aren’t the same thing. Technically you can use a USB-C cable to carry any version of USB (just as you can use Ethernet, DisplayPort, or Thunderbolt to carry USB signals).
But at the same time, you can use USB-C cables to carry not just USB (3.1, or whatever), but also Thunderbolt (something prior USB cables couldn’t do in spec). Thunderbolt 3 has abandoned the Mini DisplayPort form factor used in Thunderbolt 1 and 2 in favor of the USB-C form factor. Also, as of May 2017, Thunderbolt became royalty-free, so it doesn’t impose a significant cost on hardware that can support it as it once did. So in the last two years, we’ve actually seen some PC motherboards with USB-C buses get firmware updates that let them support Thunderbolt 3 natively as well. Since Thunderbolt can carry USB sub-signals, you can use a single USB-C _style_ cable for power, high-resolution video, _and_ high-speed USB. Recent MacBook models use this feature so that you can plug in a single cable from your monitor, and if you have USB mouse, keyboard, and other components connected to the monitor, that single cable supplies power to the laptop, lets the laptop drive a large external screen, _and_ lets you use the keyboard and mouse and other USB peripherals.
The fully reversible nature of USB-C (there are no longer “A” host and “B” guest “ends” to the cables, and the plugs are symmetric and autosensing so it doesn’t matter which direction you plug them in) is another big usability win.
Probably the biggest downside (or, at least, nuisances) of this is that a given USB-C cable is not necessarily capable of supporting Thunderbolt 3 at full speed and/or the highest power draws. You need to buy a Thunderbolt 3 cable (which happens to look like a USB-C cable from the outside) for that. These are often called “active” cables, because they require circuitry hidden in the plugs at either end of the cable to let them do the proper handshaking-the cables are, in effect, self-contained point-to-point buses. There are even fiber-optic USB-C/Thunderbolt 3 cables, which permit very long distance runs; the cable draws power from whatever it’s plugged into to power the laser transmitters and receivers, and (usually) has a copper strand that only transmits power, since optical fiber can’t conduct electricity itself.
Calling Thunderbolt-capable USB-C cables “active” cables, though, is a bit of a misnomer, since all USB-C cables-whether capable of fancy Thunderbolt handshaking or laser optics or not-must have embedded circuitry to handle USB power delivery correctly. (On the flip side, however, any Thunderbolt 3 cable is capable of serving as an excellent USB 3.1 cable if you plug it into a non-Thunderbolt port.)
Early third-party USB-C cables available in 2016 or earlier were somewhat notorious for having poor-quality and/or not-to-spec circuitry that could, in worst-case scenarios, send power surges capable of bricking (permanently destroying) devices you plugged them into. But thanks to some aggressive policing by engineers at Google and elsewhere, that’s not a big problem today. (Cables not up to spec-resulting in poor data performance or slower-than-usual charging, are still a problem-but cables _destroying hardware_ due to bad power management is rare today.)
So, long story short, USB-C cables (at least, when manufactured well) are nearly always superior to all three mini- and micro- USB-B cable formats (see commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:USB_2.0_and_3.0_connectors.svg for diagrams). The difficulty of orienting especially the single-lobed¹ micro-USB B plug is just one big advantage of USB-C.
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¹ The diagram linked from Wikimedia Commons illustrates the rather seldom-used dual-lobed micro-USB B SuperSpeed plug, which was much easier than the more common single-lobed micro-B connector to orient correctly-probably easier than even the mini-B connector in practice. But aside from a couple of USB hard drives I’ve purchased, I’ve never actually seen these in the wild.
I have the Zoom H1n and I use it for recording live music. The only big issue I've had is the battery life, which is surprisingly short. I don't plug an external mic into it, so my experience is different than yours, but the onboard mics are fantastic for recording live music. It does take a little longer to dial in the zoom, but I am very happy what the zoom has done for my uses.
I've been in professional video production for almost 4 years and there's no replacing the near universal knowledge people have of the Tascam platform. Tascam is used on about every professional production I've been apart of, and for good reason. Whether you're using the DR-05, DR-40, DR-60D, or DR-70D, if you've used one Tascam, you've used them all.
I know this is an old video and comment but though it was worth a response. There is still likely to be an issue if you are out and about recording on the street, etc with the DR-05/DR-05X/DR07X recording others. The benefits of studios is that you can use a dedicated mic for each person so the problem is unlikely to appear if you can afford all the gear. However if you are say a small station whether radio/audio or video/TV and you want to go to location, or you have many in the studio, then using these Tascams is likely to be an issue. I know a lot of wildlife audio recorders use the Tascams and in that scenario it is unlikely to be an issue unless the wildlife is in town or by a substation. The H1/H1n is used by a lot of motorcycle and cycle Vloggers with only a few using one of the Tascams. The H1n has reportedly better Pres though that is unlikely to make much difference to those Vloggers.
I was "this close" to buying the Zoom to address audio issues I am having with my TH-cam videos, when I found this video. I intend to primarily use an audio recorder with a lav and your video points out the problem with the volume dial on the Zoom that really seems like it might be a bad option for someone like me. So thanks for your insights!!
Suggest buy new micro SD card, the supplied card not really reliable and newer faster card don't get those issue, but max size is 32gb don't need anything bigger.
On the TASCAM settings, where you can set the maximum file size.... it's handy for editing the audio. If you set it at 1G, the biggest file you'll have to edit is 1G... which makes transfers into your editing software faster. You won't lose anything when it ends one file and starts another. I have one dr05 that doesn't like running on its batteries, so I plug it into a little power supply via usb. I own two of those things and I love them. Never had an issue with the electronic interference... maybe cuz I set the record levels to zero because I use them to record rehearsals of my heavy metal band (using onboard mics), which is very loud. Way back in the day, we used tascam 4-track recorders with no issues. It's all good.
That's a handy use case. I know that audio recorders all the way up to $12k film recorders use FAT32 for storage formatting. I don't know why they use FAT32, but a side effect is maximum file size is 4GB, hence the Tascam will automatically, seamlessly, cut the file in segments of 4GB if it reaches that point.
I'd assume the Zoom does the same, but I haven't used one hands on. I loved my DR-40 for years, best purchase I ever made, and I ran into the 4GB maximum size very often. The DR-40 is still kicking, just being used by someone else now :)
When I was a journalist working in a radio station we used that Tascam and loved it. It's a "real" piece of kit that does exactly what you want it to do
My college radio station also used Tascam DR-05 recorder, and I loved it too.
I have been using an Olympus recorder for the past 8 years and I love the intuitive menu. I brought a second Olympus recorder because i allowed a 32 gig card rather than a 16 gig on the original LS10 version. If you put in a brand new card it automatically formats the card.
I own and use several Tascam recorders. When it comes to memory cards, I have learned to always look at Tascam’s recommendations list for memory cards. Anytime I’ve experienced a glitch with a card, it’s usually because it’s not on their list. Also, always use the USB transfer cable to move files to your computer. Placing the car directly into the computer allows the computer to rewrite files that the Tascam may not tolerate when you put the card back into the Tascam recorder. And finally, always try to leave at least a 10% buffer on the card don’t try to max out the recording time, this can cause data errors to show up during recording.
awesom tips!❤
I always have used the original Zoom H1 with a Sennheiser Lav mic, and I have had no issues. I do any processing, (Eq, Compress and limit and noise gate) in software. I typically record at a slightly lower volume, or I set my levels by talking as loud as I ever will duding the video and set that as my absolute maximum before clipping.
The new Zoom H1n I haven’t used, but I can say I like the Togo always better. Never had any real problems with it. Recording with internal mics, lav, wireless hand held and even doing stereo line level in, all work great.
Good rundown... though I have to ask: Why didn't you used the backup Tascam unit for recording this video? :) I'm also the kind of dummy who would open up the Tascam and see if I could glue some thinned-out aluminum foil around the case to see if I could make my own shielding... but not if it risks breaking it. (Then again, I've been know to put guts of broken things into leftover containers and use them that way, cheapskate that I am.) The EEVBlog forum has a few discussions about the Tascam but nothing specifically about interference at first glance... but someone did a project to deal with the too-hot headphone/line-in problem.
Also, +2 for Tom Scott and Matt Gray. Thanks for explaining the issues with these things. (Not that I'll need them - I have a voice made for silent films.)
"I have a voice made for silent films". A mime is a terrible thing to waste.
As already pointed out in the comments, the "H1n" is slightly different from the "H1", indeed some of the issues pointed with the H1n aren't a thing on the H1: for instance it has a couple of rubber pads so when it's on the table doesn't pick up light vibrations. A lot of setups of H1 are manual (like the Audio Recording format: MP3 or WAV is a manual switch), and other settings are driven by a menu (didn't tried if audio levels can be changed while on Hold, but I think it stops all); moreover H1 uses MiniUSB and not micro, and so on, I can tell. And a lot of other differences I won't talk at the moment.
To be fair I didn't knew the H1n model until you pointed out this one, but I can understand the struggle. What astonishes me right now are the prices.
Here in Italy I bought my H1 a bit more than one year ago at around 90 euros, now the H1n is around that price (83 euros on amazon), whilst the Tascam DR-05 is stil available, but at 129 euros 🤔💸😱
I've been using a TASCAM DR-07 mkII since 2012, it's still like new. Really solid mic.
I learnt to hate AAA's as well from Big Clive's channel. He reckons they have about 1/3 the capacity of a AA.
ELLIPSIS where can i find the video
If you look at the datasheets for typical alkaline batteries; let's say the Duracell Coppertop, the AA has a rated capacity of about 2000mAh when discharged to 1V with a constant 0.25W load. The equivalent AAA Coppertop has a rated capacity of about 750mAh under the same test conditions.
Quite a substantial energy capacity difference between AA's and AAA's. I would only want AAA's in a product where size and weight is absolutely critical.
@@shadowking141ghost I don't remember the exact video as he's mentioned it more than once before. Possibly the video where he tests the capacity of various batteries or maybe when he hacked a flicker light. Check out his channel if you haven't already. bigclivedotcom is the channel name.
the only thing AAA has going for it is when being used in small RC cars they charge nearly as fast as they deplete. 500-800mAh is tiny. the newest panasonic and eneloop (same thing?) AA batteries have 2000mAh and claim they can be recharged 2100 times, which is big, if true. I won't know for years yet!
@@ArmadaAsesino
Well, AAAs, that is (not "AAA's").
Your video convinced me to drop the Zoom H1n and picked up Tascam DR-05 X because i use Rode VideoMic NTG as my input audio. Easy navigating interface is important. I had a 4K 7" external camera monitor made from a metal which was what I really wanted, but some of the key features I was not able to find it. I had to return that monitor. Since I had such a bad experience before, bad interface is a no no for me. Thanks so much for your detailed info. I was confused for several day and trying to figure out which of the recorders I should get.
That's funny about the Zoom H1n as the H1 has the level control on the side, has an orange background screen light, I'm pretty sure it is locked out on hold, and uses a single AA. AAs are more common, tend to have them for wireless mics, cheaper, and higher capacity. I use an older H1 as a backup recorder for an audio mixer and it works well for that, yet would see the level control on the top not locked out on hold and the AAA batteries as a pain.
AA's were usually used where space is an issue. Some multimeters, computer wireless mice, etc do this though often there is no real reason for this.
I also have a H1 and it’s a great little piece of kit.
I just got the updated dr-05X.... A few things I would like to point out with the comments I've read here!. for the people saying there recording stops after a few seconds, They may check the support section of tascam's site to see if there is a firmware update to address the issues... I just updated mine from the 1.10 it came with to the latest 1.14. 2. In regards to all the complaints about the RF interference, the manual states that it is susceptible to it and suggestes to move away from the source of interference, so I'm not sure why the complaints.
* Precautions for placement and use *
it states
" If this unit is placed near a power amplifier or other device
with a large transformer, it could cause a hum. If this
occurs, increase the distance between this unit and the
other device. " and also states
" This unit might produce noise if a mobile phone or other
wireless device is used nearby to make calls or send
or receive signals. If this occurs, increase the distance
between this unit and those devices or turn them off. "
Tascam clearly states this! so people should expect that it may happen.... So folks should spend time reading the manual before complaining, Just my two tarnished cents lol.
sounds like you could become a pirate with those connectors.
You wouldn't download a car.
right you aRRRe, sir!
@@GrumpyIan I totally would! Wouldn't anyone? (and yes, I know what you're quoting.)
I have the DR-05 and I looooooooove it. I use it with a Takstar SGC 598 shotgun mic ($30) and it sounds golden. The Takstar mic is the most underrated mic.
Stuff That May Not Matter I never use the DB boost or the other features on the Takstar... I just love the way it sounds. I chose it over the Rode Video Pro. Was ready to spend over $200 on the Rode but the Takstar sounded better. Was shocked when I found out it was only $30.
Check Takstar SGC 600 👍
I have the cheaper Zoom H1, which uses buttons to change the volume levels and the hold switch works the way you want it to. So, surprisingly the cheaper version is better. (It's also powered by a single AA.)
Although I guess at current prices the DR-05 is even cheaper than the "cheap" Zoom. If I ever need to buy another field recorder I'll definitely give the DR-05 a shot.
I am using Zoom H5 to record audio from concerts , i also don't use batteries but power via external battery bank trough usb micro. And it has fantastic sound !
I've got the DR-05 and I think it's great for the money. If you turn the sensitivity down, you can record some really loud guitars without overloading the onboard mics. I also have used some of their 4-track recording equipment back in the day. They make some really good, affordable equipment for the everyday user.
I have the Zoom H1 non N and it has the nice easy to read orange backlight; the input level obeys the hold. It also has the mini USB and the 3.5mm input puts are square to the body. Also it runs on a single AA.
The worst thing about it is the rattle from the switches on the underside. I did find a fix by dissembling it and putting smalls pieces of blu-tack between the SMD switch and the plastic you actually move. Also the threaded mount is plasticrap.
The dial was added keeping field recording in mind. I always keep a small recorder like the H1n in hand so that if I come across a cool sound, I can record it. Sometimes you have to act quick, like a car pass by. With a rocker switch, by the time you've set the levels, the opportunity is gone. With the dial you can quickly set levels and go. The Tascam actually sounds better in my opinion but having a slightly lower quality recording is better than no recording or an unusable one. Although a fader lock (like in more high end recorders) would have been useful. You can use a clip to mount it outside your pocket or just keep it on a small tripod/stand off to the side. Or put a piece of masking tape across it. It holds well enough to prevent unwanted movement and leaves no residue.
I think you would like Zoom H4n. It has all the features you listed and the sound quality. It's a bit more pro model in that it has two XLR / plug connectors and you can also do 4-track recordings, but it functions very well in basic recording. The older H4n (without Pro) is still just fine and there's plenty around.
Imagine my joy hearing my favorite youtuber mention my favorite pair of youtubers. An obscure secondary channel mentioning a video from another obscure secondary channel. Pure internet magic.
"This one is new...and I don't like it!"
Please put that on a t-shirt. 😂
should have trademarked it
A good way to test if its a grounding issue is to see if the noise appears when connected to an AC adapter
Loved the vid. I'm looking into Tascam and am an audio recording noob.. just hearing what people are using these devices for specifically (lav + tascam) is really helpful.
I love the Tascam. I don't have that sd card bug you were talking about. But I do have the issue where it picks up interference. It's a very useful for school projects and family recordings. A couple months ago I converted my grandpa's cassettes with the tascam. I set the sample rate to 96k with the file format as a 24 bit wave file. Sounds great.
Zoom H5 would solve pretty much everything you mentioned, and then some:
- Better build quality
- Larger screen
- Guards to protect the gain dials
- mini-usb
- Large battery
- XLR inputs
- Flat connections
The input level on an original Zoom H1 is a toggle button on the side that can be locked out via the lock button.
I'm so glad that I came across this video. I began to worry after getting the Tascam DR-05X, THEN seeing that most TH-camrs use the Zoom. I was worried that I had thrown $100 out the window, but I feel much better now. 🙂
tv stations use tascam/ real pros!
To avoid confusion with plugs, I usually declare by number of poles. TS is two, TRS is three, TRRS is four etc.
the tascam looks so much like 90's Sony for some reason...
which is a plus 🤔
Looks like the Olympus WS recorders too. I've had one for 10 years. Works fine
My wife has the H1n and is quite happy with it, but she is using the internal mic on it for recording and for that it is quite good. The user interface does seem very weird on it though. It is also quite handy as a much better mic on the camera using a hotshoe to tripod adapter to mount it on top of the camera using the lineout to connect to the mic jack on the camera. For that the user interface is of course irrelevant since it just has to be on and send the audio straight out. Being quite small and light is nice for that use case.
Some years back I boucht the Tascam DR-40, which seems to be the bigger brother of your DR-05 for a project where I had to do some recording using a boom mic. The built-in microphones of the DR-40 did not seel to pick up much electrical interference when I tested the device, and - to answer one of your complaints, the two microphones can be switched between a V and an X arrangement as desired.
Honestly my main reason for buying the Tascam back in the day was that out of all devices that met both the technical specs and my budget, it was the only one that had a well-known brand name on it. Tascam has basically been around forever, I remember working the FOH at events where we used Tascam DAT machines for the music and all other non-live audio, and they were good and reliable. (And other than other known brands it's not just something new with an old name, it is still the same company)
I own the DR05, was looking at the H1. This video actually helped me quite a bit. Not the straight upgrade I would have anticipated.
Η1 (not the -n version) has none of the issues mentioned here about H1N though.
@@grproteus Aye, thanks for correcting my single letter laziness :)
"I don't like aaa-s" ???...very professional :D
I said zoom mics weren't the best once on a Facebook ad and the fanbase came down on me with insults and assumptions about my ineptitude with audio.
Those people are in a freaking cult, goddamn.
thr cult of youtubers
Enjoyed the video. I have to support the Tascam. I'm a touring musician and swear by this thing. Have had it since they first came out way back and take it to every rehearsal and many live shows when I'm able to set it up. I use it to monitor my performances and band performance as well. Have never encountered the bugs you described to date. I use it with both the installed mics and a simple Tascam external stereo mic with great results. I'm not looking for studio quality here...just something to reference to. Download the rehearsal files to a DAW and edit. You'd be amazed at the end result. Something I can share with band mates as well. Love this thing.
I've had a tascam DR-40 for a few years, excellent little recorder
I may be mistaken, but isn't the H4n the equivalent model on the Zoom lineup? This is more like comparing a low cost smartphone with a flagship device.
(not talking about price, but about features)
I reckon that the H2(n) would be the more similar product. I've got an old silver Zoom H2 and a Tascam DR-07 lying around and although they both use AA's the Tascam lasts forever compared to the Zoom.
@@elogy890 ooh maybe. Totally forgot about the H2
Old H1 costs more then dr-05 where I live. H4 is even more pricey.
And using it similar to the author: to record from lavalier mic. In noisy windy conditions with variable sound levels, so peak reduction and auto level is a must. So made similar choice.
Alternatives would be specialised for external mics zoom F1-LP or tascam dr-10L, but they cost twice as much.
I have an H4n and throughout this whole video I kept thinking "you can do that with an H4n" and wondering why Zoom would make such a ridiculous interface when they've proven their ability to make a good one. As far as I know, adding more menu options does not require the device to be larger!
came here because I recognized those names from that park bench, so I'm pretty stoked to see you reference it as well!
I have a DR-07 mkII and really like it. I also like seeing behind the scenes stuff. Your process, lighting, camera, editing.. it would all be cool to see.
IMO, the cylindrical silver microphone has an appealing, futuristic esthetic.
I just really like you Alec. Your videos are a nice warm place to visit.
I'm still using the original Zoom H2 and it's great. It's got proper menus, nice blinky lights, settings up the wazoo, everything a geek needs. The only thing negative is that if you are recording very very subtle sounds, you can hear a squeaky noise on the audio, presumable it's the data transfer leaking in on the audio components. But if you are recording standard stuff, vocals, instruments, what not, it's great. Uses double A's too. :-) Can probably pick these up for super cheap on the used market.
I love that you are not suuuper picky about sound quality! I wanna hear your good words and its ok if they are not in Mega HiFi. You remind us a lot that people have different quality/convenience sweet spots and that that is OK, and that is comforting and constructive.
I use the H1N sideways mic input is annoying when it's in your pocket.
Anyway, a great solution for just recording a LAV mic is a low-mid range Sony dictaphone, they are half price (less if you go for mono) excellent sound quality, nice menus, no annoying dials, track marking, onboard and external storage, most are Triple A BUT last about 50 hours. And they don't feel like they they are going to break when they are in your pocket. Some don't have manual gain control, like the cheapest one I bought first, but it didn't need it, no clipping, worked flawlessly.
I have only the Zoom H1 (predecessor to the H1N) for about $60 on sale at Amazon, & I have to say I think it seems to be a little better designed than the H1N in a lot of ways. For the price I paid, it's been a very good starter mic for me.
But the Tascam does seem to be much more user friendly, & with way better battery life (provided you use an external mic with it).
Thanks for the info, though. I'm looking for a way to record quality audio with my phone, which doesn't have a headphone jack. With my H1 as mic & current 3 ring adapters I get a lot of hissing & crackling which has been a huge problem.
Thanks! 😃
I personally see why anyone would want to lock the gain dial. Micro adjustments to gain are super useful
Thanks for making this comparison! I was almost about to buy the H1n but I'm glad I saw an honest review of it before!
I've actually owned the Zoom H4n for 8 years now and it has been absolutely amazing; better than the Tascam in my opinion plus two XLRs, full-size SD, and a crap ton more. Probably not a great option for you since it's so large, but I think the H1n was really quite a few steps down from the classic H4n.
I feel like Zoom is a more well known prosumer brand so more people subconsciously associate it as being higher quality even though Tascam make excellent pro audio solutions, they’re just not as recognizable to the general public so their overall perception of quality is less.
I've been using a Zoom H2n for years and I got a Zoom H6 a couple of years ago. The H2n is a bit chunkier than what you're used to but I think it's a much better unit than the H1n. I don't tend to put recorders in my pocket, though. The Zoom's tend to have analog style dials for changing gain settings and that's usually not something that a hold button will lock out. the Tascam is better for you that respect. For tools like this, it's really all about your specific needs. Apparently the Zoom doesn't fit the bill.
I’ve got the Zoom H1n and the same Rode lav mic with adapter. I use it a lot for vlogs and other youtube video audio recordings. I’ve got it for almost 2 years now and have found a lot of the same problems. In my experience the zoom is very noisy and tiny buttons are too sensitive. They are too easily bumped when I put it in my pocket and the worst thing is the battery life. Also I’ve had many many cases where it would just stop recording after 15 minutes whilst filming a vlog with the thing in my pocket. There is always plenty of space on the card but just does that sometimes, so I often end up using the goPro audio for the part after 15 minutes and put a text in the video to notify the viewer that the audio changes.... Also when the batteries cut out it doesn’t warn you with an audible beep or anything to notify that the batteries are about to die. The interface is just fiddely too.
I bought a tascam DR-07x and I think it's a great design but the same day I encountered the horrendous electrical interference while recording in building. Had to return it next day. Too risky. Got a Zoom h2n and zoom h1n. Both are great, although the h1n does have a noisy background when the gain is higher than 7-8 while recording quiet ambience. However the sound quality from the built in mics is astounding and rich. Battery life isn't the greatest but can be powered from usb. Also that hidden menu can be reached by holding trash button while turning on. Take a second look, it's not a half bad recorder actually. 🙂
Oh no! There may be a rip in the space time continuum. I actually agree with this guy about Tascam vs. Zoom.
My use case is a bit different, I'll explain. But first, there is a problem with this review. He is comparing the H1n (new model) with the DR-05 (old model). The current model of the DR-05 is the DR-05X. Announced 2019, I believe. You'll be disappointed to know they went with the 'white' LED back light like the H1n. Also, I did not know about the mic shielding issue and I don't know if this is fixed in the DR-05X.
The H1n interface is a little different from the H1. Also the H1n, as mentioned, uses 2xAAA batteries. The H1 uses 1xAA. I find the H1 interface clunky and annoying. To format a card you hold the trash can icon button while powering up. To set the clock you hold the REC button. And if you change the batteries you loose the time! Not so on the DR-05. And all those settings are in somewhat understandable menus. One confusing part is what he almost did. Initialize will reset the DR-05 to default settings. You have to select FORMAT, or Full Format, not initialize.
I have the opportunity to use both the H1 and DR-05 on a weekly bases. So boy, do I have an opinion. I also own a DR-05. The H1 is used for both recording by mic and line level. But the DR-05 is line level only. As he mentioned, it's 'line level' can be a bit hot. I fixed this with a specialize cable that drops the signal level -10dB. Works great now! Wish I could remember where I purchased it. So, why don't I use the H1 instead if it works better (somewhat) with line level. Because the stupid thing back feeds +2V down the line level into mixes and such. Causing some equipment to not act right. And there's no way to turn this OFF! Unlike the DR-05. I understand this is NOT fixed in the H1n!
I do like the easier to read (bigger) display on the DR-05. I think the Zoom's biggest draw for many people is its size.
Finally, I have not ever had a microSD issue with the DR-05. Either with the church's or my own. Have you upgraded it to the current firmware? It adds features too but I find none of them useful. Well, it does make the text in menus a little easier to read. But I hear it may help flash card compatibility.
Neither is perfect and I guess the around $100 makes it that way. But if Tascam with fix the small issues that would make it near perfect. The H1/H1n has no hope. Perhaps they are protecting their more expensive units.
This is some fantastic extra detail, thank you for taking the time to write it all.
"Perhaps they are protecting their more expensive units" - think you may be right in the money here. There is always going to be a use case for higher spec, higher price point units. But sometimes it feels like lower spec units in a range don't really belong in that range at all.
It feels like microphone season. Woody from Woody's piano shack channel too did a video on which microphones he uses. Check it out for some more perspectives and options if you need.
“I haven’t bothered to go back in time” I will be borrowing this phrase for future use.
I think you should starting reviewing more recording equipment
I have the DR7. Don't use the mics much. When using the input with line level sources I have to put an adjustable attenuater inline if the input source doesn't have an adjustable output level. The DR7 does have a great feature set. I think it even has an overdub feature, as well as file splitting capabilities.
I've had a Tascam DR-05 for many years and never had a file write issue or experienced an electrical interference problem. Lucky perhaps. I've mostly use it to record an amateur chorale group's live concerts (just for the fun of it) with the device mounted on a tripod. My only complaint is that the omni-directional mics pick up every foot shuffle and candy wrapper in the venue. The sound quality seems good to me but I've no other recorders to compare with so I guess if I don't know of better - then it's a great device!
My old Zoom H4 uses a 9v charger, so I got a 9.6v RC battery pack and put on a compatible plug. Lasts eons. If I had a 5v unit I'd probably make a similar pack with 4 AAs.
I have been using the DR-05 for a few years. its great. Never understood why people buy the Zoom either. the Tascam just works better and is cheaper. Looking at getting a DR-07 or something higher up the range eventually.
I havent had interference issues with the internal mics. but have had issues with a Mini-XLR mic on a Mini-XLR to TRS adapter. it would pick up tons of interference. switching to a mic that used TRS fixed that. in its defence I am sitting right under a wireless access point beaming out 2.4ghz and 5ghz and I guess the conversion between balanced and unbalanced allowed that to leak into the recording
Zoom is so heavy on marketing influence. Tascam just goes about the business of making gear. A lot of it for any budget. Zoom got a ton of attention with the H4N and is moving upscale. When I tell musicians it's a Tascam DR-40... "blink, stare, silence".... it's like a Zoom ... "Oh! Yeah. Nice."
I actually have the Rode SmartLav+ and the Zoom H1n, but I've only had the H1n for a week... I've used the SmartLav+ for a number of years with my phone and having the + is the good thing, all of my recordings sound great with this mic. However, the H1n is the upgrade, Tom Scott uses the H1 which is the earlier version and has the level control in a different place. I'll let you know how I get on...
Just for info: Tascam released new DR-X series and ... the unforgivable interference issue is still there :-(
I prefer clean recording rather than fancier interface.
Zoom H1n is small improvement of really basic H1, even the 2xAAA batteries is rather improvement (H1 has one AA battery and ugly draining issue when recorder is turned off. Basicaly when it's completely off, the battery only lasts about 10 days). Unfortunately the cost went higher (it costs roughly the same as DR-05X).
When I was choosing new recorder, the choice was really tough. But I often use built-in microphones and Tascams interference issue (through whole series, this is not DR-05(X) specific) is really problem.
But yes, no one of them is ultimate winner.
P.S.: MicroUSB connector has 5000 minimum designed insertions whereas microUSB has 10000. It looks more subtle, but it should be more reliable. Although USB-C should have 10000 insertions too, but frankly I don't believe that. Most of USB-C cable connectors I've had never survived more than 1 year (even after 100 insertions there were noticeable changes on some cables).
I messaged them to ask if they had fixed the interference issue in 2022. Their reply: I haven't heard of that being a known issue with the DR-05X. >:(
@@ly8370 Yeah. Another well known BS answer is "You are the first who has this issue".
Ah, don't you love it when newer technology is inferior to barely older tech?
Isn't the H1n better than the h1
Cool, I want the tascam for that inteference flaw for sound design.
On Thomann the H1n is slightly cheaper, but not by much.
Agree that the backlight on the Tascam is easier on the eyes. And definetly better options.
Have, and like, my DR-07. Heard about it in a podcast about 10 years ago, and have used it since I bought it 9 and a half years ago, primarily as a platform to transfer audiobooks to a format I could use until I found an audio in adapter for the radio in my truck.
Looking at it now, I need to replace the rubber feet on the back. Nothing really out of the ordinary there. Not sure where I'm going to find rubber feet that have a cross section of 1/8", (3.5mm) but that looks like what I need. It does have the 1/4-20 mount hole on the back though, so I can do a different setup for that if I would like, say a go-pro quarter-20 to connector, and connector to foot, so that I can position it better. I think the DR-07 came with a windscreen, but that vanished long ago, and foam like that doesn't tend to last 10 years or more anyway.
It comes from the time of the full size sd card, so not a MicroSD w/o the adapter sleeve. Has the MiniUSB connector, which is tough to get a replacement for, but will also take 5v DC through a barrel connector if I am going to use it as a recording output for my mixer.
If I were to complain about it at all, it would be that the UI for starting a recording is "interesting." You don't "Just hit record", you "Hit record, then hit it again to confirm that you want to record." Possibly something that can be configured for better usability, just haven't dug into it far enough. I see that it cost me $143 9 and a half years ago. Not available on Amazon, but it looks like the sequel to it the DR-07x (with crossed mics) is available, and the dr07mkII the latter costing less, and with the amber screen. Thanks for the video.
I've never had that problem (mixing up which rings the "R"s in TRS & TRRS refer to) and now I can feel this compulsion to recognize those insulator rings as *the* rings. Thanks for taking advantage of my weak mind Alec! =P
Alec basically already answered his own question. Why would people like the Zoom better? Because it's smaller. Potentially also brand recognition... even though both brands have been around in the market for a very very long time.
I think Tascam also has a smaller model closer to H1n.
Back years ago when I was personally shopping around for a recorder, Zoom came with the first H1, which was incredibly cheap for a digital audio recorder, way cheaper than the competition, and it was also smaller than any recorder in the market. Zoom also already had lots of fame for external audio recorders with the H4n's success, plus the history for musicians.
That gave it a huge boost in brand recognition for the category, lots of TH-camrs and general videographers got one if not to use as main gear, at least for B-roll.
I got myself a Tascam DR-07 MkII.
The other thing is that usually, for a studio setup, videographers tend to go for the box style mounted between the camera and tripod XLR boxes, so the portable recorders are bought with portability in mind, where size and weight matters.
I think you should go with what works for you Alec. Personally, if I needed one right now, I'd have to do a full research into it according to what I needed for. Lots and lots of good options nowadays, not only for recorders, but also for microphones and whatnot. These product lines and brands have truly grown in recent years.
I like the bigclive setup. Now take them to bits.
Tascam released the DR-05X a few months ago. No idea if it fixes the bugs you mentioned, but unfortunately for you (Alec) they changed the display color to that of the Zoom.
Ah dagnabbit! White LEDs are invading everything...
Though honestly it's the size/resolution that bothers me more about the Zoom's display. Its backlight is harsh but easy enough to get acclimated to...
@@TechnologyConnextras H1n has a brightness and contrast control for the screen in the system menu - holding trash while starting up brings in all the system options.
Ok I am very, VERY late to this party, but I've worked in and with audio production for a while. In general I have found that Tascam reliably outperforms Zoom in every application I have ever encountered. Zoom has a reputation of being cheap, and you get what you pay for.
I own a Tascam DR-40 and I compared it to quite a few Zoom models having the Tascam coming out the winner all the time.
Actually, the Tascam's audio quality is way above average and on good external mikes it made the Focusriet Saffire Pro 40 sound like AM radio.. :)
The only bug I ran into with my Tascam is when recordinig 4 channel in 24/96 with effects on: simply the CPU/DSP gets overloaded and screwes up the recording. But I hardly ever record with effects on as I do that in post anyway.
"Actually, the Tascam's audio quality is way above average and on good external mikes it made the Focusriet Saffire Pro 40 sound like AM radio"
No, it doesn't. You need to do a level matched blind test (level matching has to be within +-0.1dB and can not be measured acoustically). The end result will be "no audible difference". You can get measured differences but having them be audible differences would mean one of the devices is most likely defective.
@@squidcaps4308 I don't think that the difference a better quality ADC makes is inaudible. It is indeed very audible. Same for the pre-amps. If I still had the Focusrite I'm sure that measurements would also show the difference (amount and spectral distribution of distorsion, frequency / phase response, etc.)
Of course what I hear is my own audio experience and obviously subjective. Actually the perception of any personal experience is unquestionable if we think about it :)
9:17... Just FYI, for any prospective buyer, you should know that the Zoom H1n can also run on bus power via USB, so it depends on your specific needs. I use mine predominantly on my computer desk, and just plug it in as a mic that then feeds into audacity or audition, so I don't really worry about battery life. They do run low quick though. No denying that.
The Tascam can also run from USB power but I don't know if it works as a USB audio device. I've never had a reason to try that.
@@TechnologyConnextras Further emphasizing the specific needs point. I just don't want people to immediately dismiss the Zoom, because beneath the simple interface is a pretty solid entry level recorder.
And I don't know how the prices vary worldwide, but at least here in Bulgaria, the H1n is noticeably cheaper, which allowed me to purchase it plus the accessory kit for about the price of a lone DR-05.
@@TechnologyConnextras Just an FYI, the new DR-05X supports being used as a capture device now, Like the H1/H1n.
Oddly enough, I have a Zoom H1 (_not_ the H1n), and it's a very different beast. The TRS jacks are in the same places, but they're properly perpendicular to the body of the recorder; all of the buttons except record are on the sides, which reduces accidental presses, and there's no dial, so hold works for levels; instead of two AAAs, it takes one AA; several options are taken out of menus and use switches on the back instead (with secure detents, so they don't get moved by accident); format is easy to find; it's got a mini USB jack; and it's even got an orange backlight!
This is not any kind of defense, though; it's still only got the one record/peak light, and the UI still sucks, but it's definitely better than the H1n. Also cheaper; I think the H1n is supposed to be the improved model (which, as it so often does in technology, seems to mean the "less-intuitive interface" model). I also _think_ Tom Scott said he used the H1, not the H1n, although I also don't feel like going back and looking that video up to find out for certain.
Tom Scott definitely uses the H1, he highlighted the single AA battery as a feature
Interesting rant. The H1n is still one of my favourite recorders.
Is it noisy?
Tascam is better because is can use two AA batteries, I agree with you on that. I always use auto-tone, because I use for moto-vlog, and both does an excellent job, but I do need that they work without human input for long periods. Which I really wanted was for you to explain the difference between "auto-tone head" and "auto-tone head+tail" on Tascam, which I never understood, they seem to be the same for me. Mic input on the top was also a huge deal for me, because I often use it on my pocked and that helps a lot. The older Zoom H1 was better because it had physical buttons on the back for the most important functions, which I really appreciated. But it had also the problem that those physical buttons could be toggled by mistake, specially if it was on your pocket and the "hold" function couldn't prevent that. I used that one for quite a while, stellar performance, but only one battery and the mic input in a worse place. The Zoon was cheaper in the past, but now one would have no reason to prefer it. Still both are very good, on that the Zoom engineers made a few choices that are an inconvenience for the user.
The auto-tone records a tone for synching audio. You connect the headphone from the recorder to the input on your camera. Start recording on the camera and then hit Record on the Tascam. When you edit, you can align the tones to sync with the video. The Head mode records the tone when you start recording. The Head+Tail mode records the tone when you start AND stop recording. I've downloaded videos where the audio slowly loses sync and is unwatchable by the end. A Head+Tail sync tone could have caught that.
I have a Sony PCM recorder I've been using for a while that's pretty versatile and hasn't given me much in the way of issues.
Interesting to see about the pros and cons of these devices. I am wondering though, have you ever considered using a long boom microphone (on a stand)? Especially for videos where you are sitting down, it seems like you could set it up such that the microphone would be out of the frame. I guess that would not work if you wanted something for videos outside the studio though.
Now that I have an actual studio I am considering making that change down the road. A lav mic has been practically mandatory because of the large amount of ambient noise in and around my home (you heard it in this very video!). But the new HQ is dead silent so I'd like to experiment with a more permanent setup.
I owned an older zoom and I agree that it felt really cheap. It worked fine, but when I pulled it out of the box for the first time I felt like I had gotten ripped off, it felt that cheap to hold.
𝗚𝗥𝗘𝗔𝗧 𝗗𝗜𝗙𝗙𝗘𝗥𝗘𝗡𝗖𝗘 𝗧𝗛𝗔𝗧 𝗬𝗢𝗨 𝗙𝗢𝗥𝗚𝗢𝗧
1. 𝗧𝗮𝘀𝗰𝗮𝗺 𝗗𝗥-𝟬𝟱 = Omnidirectiona microphone
2 . 𝗭𝗼𝗼𝗺 𝗛𝟭 = Unidirectional microphone
■ 𝗔𝗡𝗢𝗧𝗛𝗘𝗥 𝗗𝗜𝗙𝗙𝗘𝗥𝗘𝗡𝗖𝗘
1, 𝗧𝗮𝘀𝗰𝗮𝗺 𝗗𝗥-𝟬𝟱 = can be powered by a power banc
2. 𝗭𝗼𝗼𝗺 𝗛𝟭 = only batteries.
I have the DR-05, I bought it JUST based on the brand (something I ONLY do when I have experience with said brand. (Dell for PCs,Sharp for TVs for example -NOT because they asked me,or pay me - just YEARS of good experience). I have had PortaStudios in the day, So, Tascam means "recorder" to me. My '05 is beat-up and well used, but still runs solid! There IS the EMI interference problem (And I think,also it's due to lack of shielding of the built-in mics.), OTOH - This is not as bad as many other recorders (even the analog days). We have a lot more local EMI now, and in a studio situation (like yours, obviously, - You ARE technology Connections, LOL,) It's worse. However as a consumer "field recorder" - (Recording a local band with normal inputs) - The DR-05 is hard to beat at the price. PS, I have NO doubt that Zoom makes good gear, They sell for a reason - I just have NO experience with them. Good Video! - LOL, Editied to change "EMF" to "EMI" - It's been a long night!
Just be thankful "lav" isn't short for lavatory.
Well................ Technically.............. It's been a few times big names have left their mic on well off camera out of conference room etc and said or done stupid things.
Which is why if you can't see the person with mic you turn it off.
I have the Tascam DR-100 MK3 and the microphones pair of Rode M5 and i am verry happy with them
Thanks for another great interesting video.
Zoom makes great effect pedal boards for musical instruments and is mostly designed for musicians where Tascam can both be sound tech friendly AND musician friendly. Zoom can be musician friendly.