Amazing difference in lag between Progear on Schmuparch 7 and on capcom arcade stadium on xbox series x. Night and day difference, congratulations on the Schmuparch work, it is brilliant!
What a great discovery! I just found out about shmuparch7 and I am overjoyed. I was raised on the great shooters of the 80s and 90s. My favorite shmup being Sorcer Striker. I can't wait to try it out. I believe shmups are the equivalent of fine wines in the arcade scene. Thank you.
When I played the CCWEx demo on Steam, being able to change the ship colour was a really nice surprise! So the DDP patch will be pretty cool. 1 frame of lag in so many games is also really neat! But at the same time, the community has always held arcade as the gold standard, so it kinda feels wrong to make the game run better than arcade. Still, it's good to at least have the option there, and 1f of lag is always preferable to 11f lmao. Real excited for the release, thanks for your hard work Mark!
The community is literally retarded and will defend caves sh-3 slowdown as "intended design" when actually its lazy programming on shit hardware so take them with a pinch of salt.
@@ciaranperry4677 The slowdown certainly wasn't intended, but CAVE designed the patterns with the slowdown in mind. So the "intended design" refers to the patterns, not the slowdown. I'm not a fan of the massive slowdown in the SH-3 games either (or in any shmup), but that's a completely different topic from arcade accuracy.
@@lunaria_stg Its still piss poor and even has sprites disappearing in DFK lmao, its janky, poorly implemented, if it truly is design it should be programmed into the bullet speeds etc with no frame drops in the game.
TRIBVTES FROM GERMANY FRIEND. .... i will try it now finnaly after years of abstinence(broken laptop) ps:hilarious live stream man .....youre even that nice that you dont make fun of all those religious comments you even read them out loud was really funny haha
Have you already heard about the new input lag reducing feature in the latest RetroArch version? RetroArch 1.15.0 has a new alternative to runahead called preemptive frames, which supposedly has better performance compared to runahead in many cases. I think that it would be definitely worth to check out for a future ShmupArch 8 release.
Would really like to see an analysis of this new option, its pros and cons. If it's better performance only, or if there are any advantages to this method for audio.
I use the latest builds of Retroarch and the FBNeo core and preemptive frames lets me run CV1k games (basically every cave games starting with mushi) with no input lag. I think 2 preemptive frames is ideal for all games on that system. There was also a blitter accuracy improvement implemented by Buffi this year. CV1k games are finally really playable!
@@TheElectricUnderground No worries I love it due to my love for Muchi and its art style :P And kudos to you for the improvements. I'll be playing that pink ship when I'm free! 😁
First time Im actually feeling the speed réaction of a game. Im actually routing a MD Shmup on both my Aya NEO with Shmuparch 6 and now 7 and on the Mega SG with the 8bitdo M30 2.4 controller and its the first time that I can feel the game reacting faster on Shmuparch 7. I wasnt feeling it as much on the 6 version.
Could we see a future video where you set up ShmupArch for use in a 15kHz JAMMA cab or CRT setup, preferably via Raspberry Pi or similar SBC? Thanks for putting all this together.
Yes and yes!!! I have a piece of hardware on the channel that I've been wanting to cover for years that allows me to play my pc on my consumer 15hz crt. Maybe that will be my next video in fact!
Absolutely amazing work Mark, what you’re doing for the community is priceless! I have a quick question tho. For some reason I can’t get the espgaluda and ketsui roms to be recognized by the fbneo core after a scan. All the other games have worked just fine. Any idea why this is?
Is 1 frame input latency possible on a rasberry pi 4? If not, what's the best it can do and what is a better tiny portable alternative? I want to get a tiny emulation solution but if it's not powerful enough I'll build a mini pc instead. Portable solution and 2 arcade sticks is my goal.
Thanks for the new version! Is it possible to map keyboards binds for this? I've been doing research on FBNeo keyboard support and most stuff seems to essentially say "you're out of luck." I watched through the version 6 video that was linked but didn't see anything there.
Can't believe it's taken me this long after following you for so long, but I'm finally getting round to implementing your shmuparch changes into my setup, now that I'm settled very happily on Xbox Retroarch. Do you have a video where you describe creating a new game profile? I'm aware of the method on PC Retroarch for pausing emulation and stepping a single frame, and using that to measure the number of frames you need to enter into run-ahead. Was that how you went about creating these?
Hey there - great stuff, really appreciate all you do. Looking for general direction if you have a moment - I want to get Shmup Arch up and running on a XBox Series S in Dev mode - already have retroarch installed and running, but now need to figure out the critical filers from Shmup Arch to move over - any easy guidance on what to move? Is it just a set of confit files that needs to migrate?
Hi my dude no problem! so here is what I think you are going to need to do -move over the retroarch config file -move over the savestate folder -move over the saves folder -move over the system folder -move over the config folder -move over the assets folder (that's where the wallpaper is) -download the fbneo core on the xbox retroarch build (if you don't already have it) I think these should cover the majority of the shmuparch features!
Hey thank you so much for this, I have been getting into shmups and been dying to play Espgaluda since a lot of people recommend it for a first 1CC and wasn't sure how to play it until now. I'm just wondering if there is a way to save high scores without having to use a save state? As in when I boot espgaluda it would still have my high scores i've done previously instead of being wiped. I saw some stuff about how FBNeo can save highscores but I didn't see the same files/directories they talk about in the ShmupArch directory. Does Shmuparch have this capability? Thank you so much, you have been invaluable for me getting into this awesome genre of games!
Hey Electric, are the borders just added in on obs or is it possible to have that style of borders on shmuparch? Been digging around but couldn't find a way to enable the background as a border to fill the screen on shmuparch. Thanks!
Hi guys, Mark - what do think of the retroid pocket 3 for a mobile shmup machine? Retro game corps did a review and showed DDP in tate mode @ 23:28... I was wondering how playable it is.
@@TheElectricUnderground I just ran through the video and realised it doesn't go into the Switch installation, do you have any tips? I already have a hacked Switch with Retroarch.
Does anyone have intermittent (and usually light) audio issues with Ketsui? Happens with both ShmupArch 6 and 7 for me. Computer is powerful, no issues there.
@@TheElectricUnderground mostly pops, yes, and once in a while a very short skip (just audio though, game feels smooth). DOJ and others seem fine though. Thanks for replying and thanks for ShmupArch!
Thank you for this. Is there anyway we can identify if a game/rom is supported when we load it up? Also! This still doesn't support Muchi Muchi Pork right? What a tease!
What's up Mark, having a tough time getting the romsets to load successfully. Always kicking me out of RetroArch/failing to load the game. Any idea what could be going on/if something needs updated? Thank you and sorry for the noob question!
I don't know what you have modified exactly but when playing daioujou black label it felt like it was more responsive than before, same thing for dodonpachi hack (not the one you mentionned, but the one with grey bullets and different music), I can't access cabinet options for some reasons but it's on my side I think, as for the japanese dodonpachi, like on version 6, neo core won't accept it so I can't try this new romhacl
yes there is! you can run your pc on crt in a number of ways though I would recommend down-converting the image with something like an extron. A vga crt you can just plug in and it will work
Forgive my ignorance but is there a way to just add this to a standalone Retroarch install (or even an emuelec install)? Looks like great stuff, thank you for your work.
@@TheElectricUnderground OK cool. Was hoping to tack it on to my Android TV box running emuelec, but sounds like that's not really a feasible option. Thanks again!
Hi! Great work on ShmupArch 7! Kudos. How do I get DoDonPachi DaiOuJou to run with 7? I have the Master and Black Version but both refuse to run. Any hints?
Is there any way to have ShmupArch 7 on Linux/SteamDeck? If I understand correctly it should just be a guide for moving RetroArch Windows settings to a Linux installation. Is there a guide?
Fantastic stuff. Could I get some help running Daioujou? I've tried multiple versions but I seem to always get a FBNeo Error "doesn't match this emulator".
I ran this version basically out of the box, only configured the controller and noticed it runs these shmups at 60fps unlike normal retroarch's ~57-58 fps. I thought 60fps wasn't ideal... Or is it just personal preference?
What game did you play some games do run at 60 fps like garegga. Check ddp it will run at 57.5. it all just depends on what the core timing of the game is. This build will run at the game s core timing :-)
@@TheElectricUnderground very strange, yesterday ddp and doj were 60fps, just checked now and it's as you say, 57-58...hmm not sure what might've changed...
Hi Ive got this set up now but im just trying it out on my plasma before i eventually move it into my cab. i notice there is a lot of screen tearing on my plasma at 1080p, will is disappear when i run it on my CRT ? im going to feed VGA to UVC 640x480 to Sega Astro ? Thanks
So there is tearing because vsync is off and the games are running at their native refresh rates. It will be crisp on a crt or a freesync/gsync monitor, it will destroy a plasma tv though
I’m trying to get this setup but not having much luck. The program runs as does Darius Gaiden. But I’m not having luck with Xbox one controller support or my sf2 mini arcade stick. Both work just fine with steam.
oh no worries I bet you just need to assign them in the device index in the input config :-) Here is the previous setup vid that I think will be helpful th-cam.com/video/4s0DPIIcdWU/w-d-xo.html
@@TheElectricUnderground thank you for replying! Great stuff as always. Are you planning to test input lag on yuzu and ryujinx as well as their accuaracy in the future?
So if you have a 240hz LCD panel what's the best setup for low lag with emulators? Is it better to park it at a high refresh rate or to use g-sync? Wouldn't using g-sync bring the refresh down to 60hz?
Yes, but the best way to go is g-sync because it will match your monitor refresh rate to the game refresh rate. For modern games, playing at high frame rates is better because high refresh rates are awesome. However, for older arcade games, since they cannot be ran at high refresh rates since their game logic is actually tied to the refresh rate, matching the refresh rate is the better option :-)
@@mahdiyussuf9804 1 frame (17ms) of lag is guaranteed on hardware because your inputs might occur a full frame before the display updates on the next frame. But usually there is 1 or more frames on top due to buffers in the game logic. That’s why runahead can theoretically reduce to below hardware levels of lag. However most setups involve controller latency and LCD latency. Which combined usually register at least 1 frame of lag on optimal setups.
Anyone else struggle with slight screen tearing? No matter what configuration I try in the program, I get it on a g-sync enabled monitor with g-sync on or off. I feel like there are too many variables to figure out what is going on.
hmm you might get a slight bit of tearing with gsync on some of the games with funky core timings like ddp maybe. You could try turning on vsync with your gsync, you'll get an extra frame of lag, which is not a fun time, but going from 1 frame of lag to 2 frames of lag is still miles better then most other emulators and releases ha
I'm having the hardest time getting this setup. I'm starting from scratch and I cant seem to find any guidance on this. The tutorial does not yield the same results that I'm seeing.
Hi the compatibility list shows Ketsui and Espgaluda but I can't get those to show up... I tried adding the files after they didn't populate when adding the directory initially. Edit: I was able to load the rom but it just doesn't populate on the list of games :)
@@TheElectricUnderground Do your game specific configurations still work if we are just manually loading the rom from the file browser rather than scanning? I am also using a rom of espgaluda that doesn't show up after scanning and I want to make sure that i'm using the configs you intend for it!!
@@TheElectricUnderground Thanks for your time and the great work. When I exrracted the archive, the escape key was also bound to the B button... Dunno if it comes from my controller setup or not (using Shmuparch on the AYA NEO)
Whats the perfect Plattform to Run this besides PC. Are there some SBC mit 4 RAM or Something ginna Run this? Would really dope to Design and build a Single Board Computer Specials for shmups If IT Males Sense....
Can someone tell me how to get the left joystick working on my Xbox Series X controller instead of the game pad. I've changed, and saved the controls below. input - port 1 controls - Retro pad with Analog - Left Analog It still isn't working? What do I need to do?
you need to bind the left analog stick to the d pad input under the "input" tab, then close the program through the menu option (rather then using the escape key). This will bind the analog stick as the d pad. OR you could go into the quick menu when the game is running, go under "controls" and assign your analog stick as the dpad then save the configuration. Both methods can work :-)
@@mahdiyussuf9804 that's just the term translated into english that started In the Japanese shmup community for the people that are just on another level above everyone else.
yes I think so, I didn't have luck but I suck at linux ha. Try downloading the linux version of retroarch and then move over the system folder, the config folder, the asset folder, the states folder, and the retroarch config file. probably won't be exactly the same but worth a shot!
@@TheElectricUnderground Thanks for the tips! I have to modify retroarch.cfg a bit to change the directory paths (example, changing ":\downloads" to "~/.config/retroarch/downloads"). I'll make an update if things are working.
@@TheElectricUnderground Neat, got it to work on my Linux rig. Gotta edit the config file a bit as Gladius mentioned. You can probably put these instructions in the zip file for ShmupArch 8, and leave it to Linux users to figure things out by themselves. I was using MAME before since I'm only gaming on my Linux rig now, and I miss MAME's built in autofire a lot. If you can somehow figure out how to add a similar autofire setting in a future iteration of ShmupArch, that'll be perfect!
trying tio play dodonpachiJ I have the rom as a zip file with 2 bin files inside. i load the file and i get an error. anyone know if i need to convert the file or something?
you need a special set of roms for doj for this version of neo. Check outh this post on my reddit and there will be some useful instructions: www.reddit.com/r/ElectricUnderground/comments/rk4ec5/roms_worked_in_previous_retroarchshmuparch_dont/
Is battle garegga supposed to have run ahead set to 3 frames? It uses the special configuration file compared to dodonpachi and ketsui. Garegga feels good but it almost feels too good. I know that sounds weird. I was thinking of changing it to 2 frames but I'm not sure if it will break something else gameplay wise. Any thoughts on this? Thanks.
I have it set to 3 frames so the total input lag is 2 frames for garegga. The arcade pcb is 4 frames. So yes RetroArch is faster then pcb ha. You could change run ahead to 1 frame if you want the arcade lag
@@TheElectricUnderground that's interesting. So the pcb of garegga is 4 frames. And, the ps4 garegga is 2 frames. Now the shmuparch version is on par with the ps4 version. So technically the ps4 version and shmuparch version have less lag than the original arcade. Is that right?
yes and no :-) you can absolutely play retroarch on switch (which I do) but i haven't made a specific shmuparch build for it. Maybe I'll do a setup vid :-)
I know I need to remove it, the website is no more :-( just didn't want to continue to pay hosting fees on it. I have backed all the info up to my Reddit and Patreon though :-)
Man caladrius blaze,IS good? In Jpn eshop ITS regular 1800 Yen (13,48€) im German eshop IT IS 25€ (27$) Double the price??? Wtf. Man .....ITS Not even in Sale in jpn and still cheaper.....whatatukup
@@TheElectricUnderground Now I have to try it out of curiosity. I'm just wondering how badly it will choke my tablet. I have a Tab S7 Plus which I believe to be the most powerful option on the market.
@@J4k3_Ry4n if you're into Cave shmups, especially the later ones, check my vids for a lot of demostrations regarding the settings to play them as accurate as possible.
I get that this is a niche community but man you should have a warning message that says how hard it is to set this up. sunk 4 hours into it and im giving up. Guys, just play the ps1 version
Amazing difference in lag between Progear on Schmuparch 7 and on capcom arcade stadium on xbox series x. Night and day difference, congratulations on the Schmuparch work, it is brilliant!
No problem and yes the difference is pretty massive :-)
What a great discovery! I just found out about shmuparch7 and I am overjoyed. I was raised on the great shooters of the 80s and 90s. My favorite shmup being Sorcer Striker. I can't wait to try it out. I believe shmups are the equivalent of fine wines in the arcade scene. Thank you.
Your enthusiasm is infectious! I'm smiling too now :D
I'm glad to hear it ha. yeah nothing better then some fresh low lag shmups! The dodonpachi color palette change is really fun too
@TheElectricUnderground
Would it be possible to reactivate the download link for ShmupArch 7?
Thanks in advance!
That and also a Linux (Steam Deck) setup would be much appreciated.
The cool background drew me in more than I'd like to admit
Gotcha!!
Thank you so much, Mark!
And it would absolutely make my day if you could give a detailed description on how to get doj to work on shmuparch 7🙌
Yeah gonna work on that!
The world needs you. Please continue developing this
ayyy thank you so much man! excited to get this set up later!
Hell yeah!
Yes, Mark! Didn’t see that one coming. PERFECT timing! Thankyouverymuch.
No problem!
Wow man!!!! I've tried it today and it's absolutely amazing. I love the scanlines and everything looks and feels amazing.
Hell yeah!!!!!
LEETSSS GOOO ..( IF I ONLY KNEW WHAT SHMUPARCH IS , but i get a Feeling after this Video i'll Know!)
perfect can't wait to try this on my crt
Hell yeah!!!
Beautiful, thanks for the info Mark!
No problem! Happy to finally have 7 done ha
When I played the CCWEx demo on Steam, being able to change the ship colour was a really nice surprise! So the DDP patch will be pretty cool.
1 frame of lag in so many games is also really neat! But at the same time, the community has always held arcade as the gold standard, so it kinda feels wrong to make the game run better than arcade. Still, it's good to at least have the option there, and 1f of lag is always preferable to 11f lmao.
Real excited for the release, thanks for your hard work Mark!
Gonna do a podcast ep on this topic of arcade input lag, might record it tonight actually!
The community is literally retarded and will defend caves sh-3 slowdown as "intended design" when actually its lazy programming on shit hardware so take them with a pinch of salt.
@@ciaranperry4677 The slowdown certainly wasn't intended, but CAVE designed the patterns with the slowdown in mind. So the "intended design" refers to the patterns, not the slowdown.
I'm not a fan of the massive slowdown in the SH-3 games either (or in any shmup), but that's a completely different topic from arcade accuracy.
@@lunaria_stg Its still piss poor and even has sprites disappearing in DFK lmao, its janky, poorly implemented, if it truly is design it should be programmed into the bullet speeds etc with no frame drops in the game.
TRIBVTES FROM GERMANY FRIEND.
....
i will try it now finnaly after years of abstinence(broken laptop)
ps:hilarious live stream man .....youre even that nice that you dont make fun of all those religious comments you even read them out loud was really funny haha
Have you already heard about the new input lag reducing feature in the latest RetroArch version? RetroArch 1.15.0 has a new alternative to runahead called preemptive frames, which supposedly has better performance compared to runahead in many cases.
I think that it would be definitely worth to check out for a future ShmupArch 8 release.
Would really like to see an analysis of this new option, its pros and cons. If it's better performance only, or if there are any advantages to this method for audio.
I use the latest builds of Retroarch and the FBNeo core and preemptive frames lets me run CV1k games (basically every cave games starting with mushi) with no input lag. I think 2 preemptive frames is ideal for all games on that system. There was also a blitter accuracy improvement implemented by Buffi this year. CV1k games are finally really playable!
Great stuff dude, been looking forward to this for a while. Can't wait to get a minute to give it a go!
Awesome!!! Yeah it s a great way to experience the genre :-)
Thank you so much for this one, man.
WHAT. Can’t wait to check this out when my 3080 comes in next week
Hell yeah!
Aww yeah! I get to play as a PINK SHIP in DDP now! Just hope I don't confuse it with all the pink bullets 🤣
Dat Momo background tho!
Ha the background is love it or hate it as I am learning, I just wanted something new and distinctive, only so many dodonpachi background to be had
@@TheElectricUnderground No worries I love it due to my love for Muchi and its art style :P
And kudos to you for the improvements. I'll be playing that pink ship when I'm free! 😁
Samurai Zombie Action coming to eshop 28.10 never Played IT ,looking nice with that head-ship haha
Hell yeah, thank you Mark!
No problem!!
Thank you, noted
What is good gets better!
I NEEEEEDDDDD.
well i wonder i can replace ddp soundtrack with saidaioujou/touhou ost
First time Im actually feeling the speed réaction of a game.
Im actually routing a MD Shmup on both my Aya NEO with Shmuparch 6 and now 7 and on the Mega SG with the 8bitdo M30 2.4 controller and its the first time that I can feel the game reacting faster on Shmuparch 7. I wasnt feeling it as much on the 6 version.
They should be the same in terms of lag between the two versions, which game is it? I ll take a look at it
Could we see a future video where you set up ShmupArch for use in a 15kHz JAMMA cab or CRT setup, preferably via Raspberry Pi or similar SBC? Thanks for putting all this together.
Yes and yes!!! I have a piece of hardware on the channel that I've been wanting to cover for years that allows me to play my pc on my consumer 15hz crt. Maybe that will be my next video in fact!
Psikyo at 1 frame?! 😍
*Looks at Dragon Blaze creepily*
For sure!
Bringing the world easy, lagless shmupping since 2018 (or is it longer than that.)
No you nailed it :-)
Absolutely amazing work Mark, what you’re doing for the community is priceless!
I have a quick question tho. For some reason I can’t get the espgaluda and ketsui roms to be recognized by the fbneo core after a scan. All the other games have worked just fine.
Any idea why this is?
Is 1 frame input latency possible on a rasberry pi 4? If not, what's the best it can do and what is a better tiny portable alternative?
I want to get a tiny emulation solution but if it's not powerful enough I'll build a mini pc instead. Portable solution and 2 arcade sticks is my goal.
Thanks for the new version! Is it possible to map keyboards binds for this? I've been doing research on FBNeo keyboard support and most stuff seems to essentially say "you're out of luck." I watched through the version 6 video that was linked but didn't see anything there.
Mark, any chance of a Pi4 image like you've previously done.
yep! been working that as well
as a side note, I wanted to know if it could work on the Android version of Retroarch ?
Can't believe it's taken me this long after following you for so long, but I'm finally getting round to implementing your shmuparch changes into my setup, now that I'm settled very happily on Xbox Retroarch.
Do you have a video where you describe creating a new game profile? I'm aware of the method on PC Retroarch for pausing emulation and stepping a single frame, and using that to measure the number of frames you need to enter into run-ahead. Was that how you went about creating these?
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We all know you can just take that pcb out of your closet and rip that rom off of it like we all do. lolololol!!!!!
Yes absolutely! My closet is stuffed full
Hey there - great stuff, really appreciate all you do. Looking for general direction if you have a moment - I want to get Shmup Arch up and running on a XBox Series S in Dev mode - already have retroarch installed and running, but now need to figure out the critical filers from Shmup Arch to move over - any easy guidance on what to move? Is it just a set of confit files that needs to migrate?
Also - happy with the answer “join my patreon and all will be revealed”… will almost certainly join no matter what
Hi my dude no problem! so here is what I think you are going to need to do
-move over the retroarch config file
-move over the savestate folder
-move over the saves folder
-move over the system folder
-move over the config folder
-move over the assets folder (that's where the wallpaper is)
-download the fbneo core on the xbox retroarch build (if you don't already have it)
I think these should cover the majority of the shmuparch features!
Sweet thanks Mark. Any interest in doing a Switch port perchance?
Yes indeed! I'm kinda scared though because I don't want Nintendo to assassinate me so that release might need to be on the down low.
@@TheElectricUnderground I would change the name and release it thru a VPN in Honduras or something.
@@jacobw6697 El Archo De Shmupes
Hey thank you so much for this, I have been getting into shmups and been dying to play Espgaluda since a lot of people recommend it for a first 1CC and wasn't sure how to play it until now. I'm just wondering if there is a way to save high scores without having to use a save state? As in when I boot espgaluda it would still have my high scores i've done previously instead of being wiped. I saw some stuff about how FBNeo can save highscores but I didn't see the same files/directories they talk about in the ShmupArch directory. Does Shmuparch have this capability? Thank you so much, you have been invaluable for me getting into this awesome genre of games!
Hey Electric, are the borders just added in on obs or is it possible to have that style of borders on shmuparch? Been digging around but couldn't find a way to enable the background as a border to fill the screen on shmuparch.
Thanks!
After the Video still Not knowing Shit so i'll search forr libary of shmup now to get shmuparch knowledge
When i load the save state for garegga everything is garbled up how do i fix this
I'm going to try and get this working in my Astro via a UVC in tate. Hopefully it all works fine.
Yes it should work on crt :-) I play on crt all the time
Man one day we will see a portable schmuparchboy??
I can absolutely see that happening, arch runs on portable devices better than any other emu
Hi guys, Mark - what do think of the retroid pocket 3 for a mobile shmup machine? Retro game corps did a review and showed DDP in tate mode @ 23:28... I was wondering how playable it is.
shmuparch 8 when? 👀
Soon, when I return from Spain :-)
Great work. I’m planning to set this up on Switch soon, are the instructions the same as the Shmuparch 6 video you put out previously?
yep!
@@TheElectricUnderground I just ran through the video and realised it doesn't go into the Switch installation, do you have any tips? I already have a hacked Switch with Retroarch.
Does anyone have intermittent (and usually light) audio issues with Ketsui? Happens with both ShmupArch 6 and 7 for me. Computer is powerful, no issues there.
hmm I'm going to be playing more ket tonight but I can't recall having any audio issues, what's going on with it exactly? Pops and such?
@@TheElectricUnderground mostly pops, yes, and once in a while a very short skip (just audio though, game feels smooth). DOJ and others seem fine though. Thanks for replying and thanks for ShmupArch!
No problem!! I m not sure what the issue might be, maybe do a quick double check to see if 2nd instance is running under the latency tab?
Thank you for this.
Is there anyway we can identify if a game/rom is supported when we load it up?
Also! This still doesn't support Muchi Muchi Pork right? What a tease!
I know right! How rude of me ;-) yes in the description is a compatibility list
Awesome work Mark !! Has the compatibility improved over the last version? Thanks .
Possibly Raiden fighters has been added! Gonna try it out and see :-)
@@TheElectricUnderground for sure . Thanks again.
What's up Mark, having a tough time getting the romsets to load successfully. Always kicking me out of RetroArch/failing to load the game. Any idea what could be going on/if something needs updated? Thank you and sorry for the noob question!
Hey my dude, it s very likely that now you need an updated romset, also try going to core options and updating the core :-)
I don't know what you have modified exactly but when playing daioujou black label it felt like it was more responsive than before, same thing for dodonpachi hack (not the one you mentionned, but the one with grey bullets and different music), I can't access cabinet options for some reasons but it's on my side I think, as for the japanese dodonpachi, like on version 6, neo core won't accept it so I can't try this new romhacl
You need to update your romset it sounds like :-) I ll have details on that in a pinned comment soon
@@TheElectricUnderground thx, I'll wait for it
You did it again! So I need to get the pi4 again to try out. Is there a way to use it on a crt?or better said cab
yes there is! you can run your pc on crt in a number of ways though I would recommend down-converting the image with something like an extron. A vga crt you can just plug in and it will work
Sorry Mark, trying to find PC requirements for this, but can't find them anywhere. Building a PC for my cab. Any tips/link? Thanks
Forgive my ignorance but is there a way to just add this to a standalone Retroarch install (or even an emuelec install)? Looks like great stuff, thank you for your work.
Yep sort of, but it ll shift enough around that I just recommend using both ha, that s what I do
@@TheElectricUnderground OK cool. Was hoping to tack it on to my Android TV box running emuelec, but sounds like that's not really a feasible option. Thanks again!
Hi! Great work on ShmupArch 7! Kudos. How do I get DoDonPachi DaiOuJou to run with 7? I have the Master and Black Version but both refuse to run. Any hints?
Message me on discord and I can help give advice :-)
@@TheElectricUnderground Thank you! Will do! Also wanted to add that I really love the little Mushi Icon you included in the package. Cute!
Can you replay here what to do? I have same problem
Sorry for going out of topic but what would you say to be the best port of Zero Gunner 2? I haven't seen you talking about it much.
Oh I don t know! Your best chance is to emulate it I would say
Is there any way to have ShmupArch 7 on Linux/SteamDeck? If I understand correctly it should just be a guide for moving RetroArch Windows settings to a Linux installation. Is there a guide?
Does final burn neo continues to be updated? To add more games support? There are games I would love to play but I don't because the input lag.
It gets updated in terms of performance and all that, but I don't think new games will ever be added to it sadly
Fantastic stuff.
Could I get some help running Daioujou? I've tried multiple versions but I seem to always get a FBNeo Error "doesn't match this emulator".
Yeah you need a specific romset I ll see if I can find a way to instruct people on where to get it
@@TheElectricUnderground Thank you for the quick reply and work. I'll be waiting anxiously.
A bit late but for anyone in the same situation, I was able to make it work by adding a ddp3 rom to the same folder :)
What need to be done?
How do you save hiscore ? i've tried to use auto savestate and autoload savestate, but then when you reset the game your scores disappears.
I can't get mushihemsama to run it says romset is unknown. It works when I use regular RetroArch but only with the mame core. Any idea why?
Mushi is not supported sadly :-( all the cave games mushi and after don t work with fbneo
I ran this version basically out of the box, only configured the controller and noticed it runs these shmups at 60fps unlike normal retroarch's ~57-58 fps. I thought 60fps wasn't ideal... Or is it just personal preference?
What game did you play some games do run at 60 fps like garegga. Check ddp it will run at 57.5. it all just depends on what the core timing of the game is. This build will run at the game s core timing :-)
@@TheElectricUnderground very strange, yesterday ddp and doj were 60fps, just checked now and it's as you say, 57-58...hmm not sure what might've changed...
Hi
Ive got this set up now but im just trying it out on my plasma before i eventually move it into my cab. i notice there is a lot of screen tearing on my plasma at 1080p, will is disappear when i run it on my CRT ? im going to feed VGA to UVC 640x480 to Sega Astro ?
Thanks
So there is tearing because vsync is off and the games are running at their native refresh rates. It will be crisp on a crt or a freesync/gsync monitor, it will destroy a plasma tv though
@@TheElectricUnderground OK nice one thanks :)
I’m trying to get this setup but not having much luck. The program runs as does Darius Gaiden. But I’m not having luck with Xbox one controller support or my sf2 mini arcade stick. Both work just fine with steam.
oh no worries I bet you just need to assign them in the device index in the input config :-) Here is the previous setup vid that I think will be helpful th-cam.com/video/4s0DPIIcdWU/w-d-xo.html
Are the fbneo roms working with intended FPS or do you need to cap it manually, like you've shown in the past
oh they are now automatically running the core timing, so you don't need to cap them anymore :-)
@@TheElectricUnderground thank you for replying! Great stuff as always. Are you planning to test input lag on yuzu and ryujinx as well as their accuaracy in the future?
So if you have a 240hz LCD panel what's the best setup for low lag with emulators? Is it better to park it at a high refresh rate or to use g-sync? Wouldn't using g-sync bring the refresh down to 60hz?
Yes, but the best way to go is g-sync because it will match your monitor refresh rate to the game refresh rate. For modern games, playing at high frame rates is better because high refresh rates are awesome. However, for older arcade games, since they cannot be ran at high refresh rates since their game logic is actually tied to the refresh rate, matching the refresh rate is the better option :-)
My when I load my DOJ rom it says "rom set is known but does not match emulator". Confused I'm sorry :(
Hit me up on Patreon and I ll help you out :-)
@@TheElectricUnderground will do!
Are you achieving better than native input lag for some of these games?
yes! I would say most games, though the cave ones are balanced out by display lag if you are using a lcd
@@TheElectricUnderground That's pretty cool! I just assumed all 2d games in the arcade had no input and display lag lol
@@mahdiyussuf9804 1 frame (17ms) of lag is guaranteed on hardware because your inputs might occur a full frame before the display updates on the next frame. But usually there is 1 or more frames on top due to buffers in the game logic. That’s why runahead can theoretically reduce to below hardware levels of lag. However most setups involve controller latency and LCD latency. Which combined usually register at least 1 frame of lag on optimal setups.
why is this my first time hearing about shmuparch???
I'm not sure, I'm not super popular so it's been pretty *cough* underground for a long time now ;-)
Anyone else struggle with slight screen tearing? No matter what configuration I try in the program, I get it on a g-sync enabled monitor with g-sync on or off. I feel like there are too many variables to figure out what is going on.
hmm you might get a slight bit of tearing with gsync on some of the games with funky core timings like ddp maybe. You could try turning on vsync with your gsync, you'll get an extra frame of lag, which is not a fun time, but going from 1 frame of lag to 2 frames of lag is still miles better then most other emulators and releases ha
@@TheElectricUnderground Yep, that seems to do the trick so far. And I was just chafing at the grass rippling a little in Xevious!
This is awesome ! I've been using it everyday for a couple months now and I love it, thank you !
That s great!!! Big update coming
hmmmm i've load the Dodonpachi rom hack. but it saids "the rom doesn't match with its emulator and its version" do you know how to solve it?
Need a newer ROM, the old ones don t work anymore
@@TheElectricUnderground where can i get the newer ROM?
Is there a version of this for android
I'm having the hardest time getting this setup. I'm starting from scratch and I cant seem to find any guidance on this. The tutorial does not yield the same results that I'm seeing.
You can check out my previous shmuparch release vids, I go over the basics in those if you are feeling lost
@@TheElectricUnderground that didn't help unfortunately. Is using non merged roms my issue?
Hi the compatibility list shows Ketsui and Espgaluda but I can't get those to show up... I tried adding the files after they didn't populate when adding the directory initially.
Edit: I was able to load the rom but it just doesn't populate on the list of games :)
Ahhh its actually a rom issue, you have to use the latest romset for them to work (but they do work)
@@TheElectricUnderground Do your game specific configurations still work if we are just manually loading the rom from the file browser rather than scanning? I am also using a rom of espgaluda that doesn't show up after scanning and I want to make sure that i'm using the configs you intend for it!!
Got a question about button configuration... Am I the only one to trigger retroarch exit with the button to validate in menus ?
the escape function should be mapped to the escape key and you should need to press it twice. What button is causing you to exit?
@@TheElectricUnderground Thanks for your time and the great work.
When I exrracted the archive, the escape key was also bound to the B button...
Dunno if it comes from my controller setup or not (using Shmuparch on the AYA NEO)
@@nicolasvaillant2583 aha glad you got it fixed!
@@TheElectricUnderground Yezh its working perfectly !
Just took me time to figure out where the problem was
Whats the perfect Plattform to Run this besides PC.
Are there some SBC mit 4 RAM or Something ginna Run this?
Would really dope to Design and build a Single Board Computer Specials for shmups If IT Males Sense....
Hmmm you do need a fairly beefy PC to run this I m afraid
Could you recommend a current mini pc that would be able to run this without breaking a sweat - price is a consideration though. Thanks Simon
Can someone tell me how to get the left joystick working on my Xbox Series X controller instead of the game pad. I've changed, and saved the controls below.
input - port 1 controls - Retro pad with Analog - Left Analog
It still isn't working? What do I need to do?
you need to bind the left analog stick to the d pad input under the "input" tab, then close the program through the menu option (rather then using the escape key). This will bind the analog stick as the d pad. OR you could go into the quick menu when the game is running, go under "controls" and assign your analog stick as the dpad then save the configuration. Both methods can work :-)
@@TheElectricUndergroundI got it working, thanks Mark appreciate everything!
Is it possible to install this on android like normal reteoarch or is this pc only?
pc only basically, you could try on android but most phones won't be able to support the run ahead
@@TheElectricUnderground
Thank you for the reply. Oh ok, That's fine. I was just curious.
hello its a new game??
How does shmuparch7 compares with Mame?
lower input lag, less game compatibility, it can't run the later cave titles after DOJ.
what about running it on raspberry pi 3 and 4?
yep coming soon!
I wonder what the input lag is like on those cabs that super player use in japan
2 frames :-) I have doj and ketsui on pgm and have tested them
super...player?
The Yagawa games, like Garegga, have more lag. Like 3-4 frames while many run 1-2 frames.
@@mahdiyussuf9804 that's just the term translated into english that started In the Japanese shmup community for the people that are just on another level above everyone else.
Why does auto config keep coming back on after I set my keys its really annoying.
Need help running doj
hang in there, I am going to put together a pinned post on how to do it, just want to find the easiest method
Is it possible to get this working on Linux?
yes I think so, I didn't have luck but I suck at linux ha. Try downloading the linux version of retroarch and then move over the system folder, the config folder, the asset folder, the states folder, and the retroarch config file. probably won't be exactly the same but worth a shot!
@@TheElectricUnderground Thanks for the tips! I have to modify retroarch.cfg a bit to change the directory paths (example, changing ":\downloads" to "~/.config/retroarch/downloads"). I'll make an update if things are working.
Got it working! Here's the config file if anyone was curious: drive.google.com/file/d/1yLXkRfHF31o9CSIWWoU-FnoJF_h6rfUm/view?usp=sharing
@@TheElectricUnderground Neat, got it to work on my Linux rig. Gotta edit the config file a bit as Gladius mentioned. You can probably put these instructions in the zip file for ShmupArch 8, and leave it to Linux users to figure things out by themselves.
I was using MAME before since I'm only gaming on my Linux rig now, and I miss MAME's built in autofire a lot. If you can somehow figure out how to add a similar autofire setting in a future iteration of ShmupArch, that'll be perfect!
trying tio play dodonpachiJ I have the rom as a zip file with 2 bin files inside. i load the file and i get an error. anyone know if i need to convert the file or something?
you need a special set of roms for doj for this version of neo. Check outh this post on my reddit and there will be some useful instructions: www.reddit.com/r/ElectricUnderground/comments/rk4ec5/roms_worked_in_previous_retroarchshmuparch_dont/
@@TheElectricUnderground theres no instructions on that link whatsoever
Is battle garegga supposed to have run ahead set to 3 frames? It uses the special configuration file compared to dodonpachi and ketsui.
Garegga feels good but it almost feels too good. I know that sounds weird.
I was thinking of changing it to 2 frames but I'm not sure if it will break something else gameplay wise.
Any thoughts on this? Thanks.
I have it set to 3 frames so the total input lag is 2 frames for garegga. The arcade pcb is 4 frames. So yes RetroArch is faster then pcb ha. You could change run ahead to 1 frame if you want the arcade lag
@@TheElectricUnderground that's interesting. So the pcb of garegga is 4 frames. And, the ps4 garegga is 2 frames. Now the shmuparch version is on par with the ps4 version. So technically the ps4 version and shmuparch version have less lag than the original arcade. Is that right?
Is there a version for the Switch?
yes and no :-) you can absolutely play retroarch on switch (which I do) but i haven't made a specific shmuparch build for it. Maybe I'll do a setup vid :-)
@@TheElectricUnderground That would be awesome if you could!
how could I get this setup on my xbox 360?
Oh yeah you can run RetroArch on 360, run ahead doesn't work though, still pretty cool
@@TheElectricUnderground does run-ahead work on android? do I need the config file from the smhuparch
Is any one running this on there Candy Cab ?
that sounds awesome!
The link to your website is broken.
I know I need to remove it, the website is no more :-( just didn't want to continue to pay hosting fees on it. I have backed all the info up to my Reddit and Patreon though :-)
Man caladrius blaze,IS good? In Jpn eshop ITS regular 1800 Yen (13,48€) im German eshop IT IS 25€ (27$) Double the price??? Wtf. Man .....ITS Not even in Sale in jpn and still cheaper.....whatatukup
Play dragon blaze on shmuparch, best way to play it hands down
Can I load this on an Android tablet?
No i m afraid not in this form, it will crush the tablet with the settings.
@@TheElectricUnderground Now I have to try it out of curiosity. I'm just wondering how badly it will choke my tablet. I have a Tab S7 Plus which I believe to be the most powerful option on the market.
@@J4k3_Ry4n use Retroarch on your tablet. It works perfectly with all these shmups ✌️
@@usernameRika I appreciate that Rika.
@@J4k3_Ry4n if you're into Cave shmups, especially the later ones, check my vids for a lot of demostrations regarding the settings to play them as accurate as possible.
I get that this is a niche community but man you should have a warning message that says how hard it is to set this up. sunk 4 hours into it and im giving up. Guys, just play the ps1 version
Oh you could check out my previous shmuparch vid which goes in depth on the setup process th-cam.com/video/4s0DPIIcdWU/w-d-xo.html
How would thia work if i wanted to use this with batocera? Think about making an arcade emulation box