Is Spain Heading For Another Election?
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After Spain's election ended in a hung parliament, the door is open for Pedro Sanchez to remain as Prime Minister. However, to do so, he needs to strike a controversial deal with Catalan separatists to gain their support. But is the gain worth the risk?
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Update: Since we made this video, the two main Catalan pro-independence parties (ERC & Junts) have said that amnesty is necessary but not sufficient to make Sanchez PM. The parties have agreed not to support Sanchez unless he agrees to "commit to work to make effective the conditions for holding a referendum". All in all this increases the likelihood of another election.
Jesus news moves fast
@@thomastakesatollforthedark2231 that would be a first for Spain that things move quickly
ERC and Junts will never stop asking for more until they are independent and, therefore, cannot ask for more. Likewise, Pedro Sanchez has proved to accept anything for him to be PM. Amnesty is discuss in all forums as something already agreed and I would be surprise if he is not re-elected PM by any means necessary, including agreeing a path for an independence referendum
Even if Sanchez wanted to allow a referendum it is impossible to do so. As they would first need to change the constitution to allow it, and to do so they need a 3/5 majority, something that ain't gonna happen.
So. Unless they stop asking for impossible things. we're getting new elections soon enough.
@@fjaviermo As nachoolo has said from my understanding an independence referendum is unconstitutional no ifs or buts so even if the current Madrid gov did want to approve one it is not infact something a prime minister can simply allow no matter the party. He would literally have to try and change the Spanish consituation to allow that to happen and given how close the parliamentary split is good luck even attempting to start that process. Also let say he could allow one he would be torpedoing his own gov anyway by allowing it as his own party would be punished in other parts of the nation and that if member of his own party didn't oust him first or other coalition parties back out in response.
Also any gov that needs the support of independence parties in a parliament allowing a vote they thing will end up for a win for independence is political idiot for the simple reason you would be giving up your majority. He needs their vote to become pm but if he then gave them a independence vote (he cant) he would lose his majority the moment Catalan left Spain and those votes no longer existed in the Spanish parliament. Its kinda funny in a way because its a gov supported by independence parties that should not want independence votes while parties opposed to independence would actually politically benefit as their opposition would be smaller making it easier for them to get power.
I think it was Bismark who said “Spain is the strongest country in Europe. It has been trying to destroy itself for years yet it is still here.”
The more I learn about Spain, the more times I wonder how it is still united after such bad leadership. Since the time of Bismarck, the only time in which Spain was stable and prosperous was Franco's dictatorship. The constitution after his death sentenced Spain to a party-docratic regime and is the reason why Spain is destroyed now.
This is a very amusing quote. 😂
@@segiraldovi*looks around* nope, Spain is not destroyed, still here.
@@FeeMaudite I am referring to the political system, the separation of powers shines by its absence, something that has already happened since the Franco era, but unlike then, Franco was moderately competent, unlike 90% of current politicians.
@@segiraldovi then you are a 150% right. The separation of powers here ends once you close the schoolbook where it says it exists.
As a Spanish civilian, while admitting to loving your videos, I gotta say the way you pronunce Feijoo's name has put me into a spiral of laughing I can't escape from.
Alberto nuñes fajita
Yo me estoy muriendo de la risa igual hahahah
Alberto Nuñez Ohio
Same
Un inglés pronunciando mal un nombre en español o en éste caso gallego..., da igual cuando leas ésto
The Feijayo part killed me 😂
you should see them pronouncing portuguese names, somehow they get the spanish pronunciation of portuguese right
to be fair feijóo is a very weird name even in Spain.
@@alfrredd well galicians... in portuguese would be Feijó
Faihou
"If I say it different every time, one of them's bound to be right, isn't it? ... Isn't it???"
The Catalan problem is also why Spain doesn't recognize Kosovo because if they did Catalan would use that as further ammo to try and push for independence.
Freedom for Catalans 🎉🎉
And they are doing right thing
@@skp8748 Freedom of tiranic Spain lol 🤣
@@skp8748 In what sense are the Catalans being held captive so that you demand their freedom? Their language is official in their region, they have a high degree of autonomy within Spain and above all it makes no sense to demand their independence.
@@segiraldovi They are legally subject to Madrid what use is autonomy when it's legislated by others.
Free catalunya from the monarchists. Lol Spain's football world cup should be changed to Catalan win since they were the majority of players in the final.
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It's always funny to hear brits botching spanish names, but kudos, real kudos for explaining a complicated topics with very good accuracy
Yeah, they did good in the explanation. But also they messed Up every single mame in the video, saying "Felipo" o "güera" instead of their normal pronunciations.
Feleepay
The funniest one was "Feijóo", which he started pronuoncing as "Fejaio" and then he directly ommited the j and started pronouncing as "Faio"
Fajayo!
Tbf some Spanish people have a hard time with Galician names. Tanxugueiras, sanxenxo, A Coruña, etc. I assume the same thing that happens with Spanish to Galician happens with English to Spanish, one language has more prestige and can be butchered in conversation without anyone caring to much (except those whose language you butcher ofc) 😂
Watching a video about Spain politics in English as a Spaniard is epic
"Faihoe"
X2
Entonces, es correcto? O habrían algunos de los hechos sido perdido en traducción?
This would be like if Labour had to govern with the SNP and Welsh and Irish seperatists, it would not be easy
Except in the UK such a referendum has happened and was legal, in Spain it would be ilegal, Spanish constitutions makes the Spanish state indivisible.
but if SNP had broke the constitution and are running away from the judicial system.
Sanchez's predicament is even worse, I also think the UK is a lot more gentle and less hardline against independence@@pedrorequio5515
The SNP and Junts are also quite different, the SNP, like them or hate them, never broke the law, and the UK treats independence supporters with much less force than Spain@@Duck-wc9de
Labour in Wales do. Shame the rest are so against believing in democracy
It is ironical that almost 90 years later, Spain is still divided on almost equal sides after an election
Because spain has always been divided on politics since the 19th century.
The only times it wasn't divided was when the constitution was drafted and that was because there was alcohol and armed guards ready to shot them if they didn't comply to the will of the king.
Italy entered the chat
Spain has always been deeply divided since the end of the Napoleonic Wars. The only time of "stability" was during the Franco regime but that's because opposition was straight up illegal.
ironic*
@@thatonejoey1847 Its crazy alcohol? armed wards :name of film; no is U.K for the alcohol lol great invented joke🤣🤣🤣 the people xenophobe is crazy .
How the hell do you manage to provide such an accurate and balanced report on a complex political matter like this? Excellent work! I'd only add that the decline in votes for pro-independence parties in the last election was not just due to the pacifying efforts of PSOE, but also due to them being perceived as insufficiently pro-independence and also because they were seen as too prone to giving up demands. A significant portion of their voters chose to abstain. This makes the prospect of new elections a risky gamble for PSOE, as such elections could result in pro-independence parties gaining more seats.
It may galvanize their base if they see blood in the water and take the opportunity to start making serious demands.
The issue is if they don’t hold new elections they have to give a referendum
Add to yhat than New elecciones Will make sumar into a bloody civil leftist war😅
@@gothicgolem2947 I mean, they can always refuse to comply. Spain has broken promises many times. Of course, the consequences could be a problem. We wouldn't be here had Spain actually abided by their promises to Catalonia.
@@guillemmoreno5522 they can’t really as that would break the goverment and what would be the point in promising something to form a goverment just to lose it?
I love that someone is finally pointing out the hypocrisy on the Catalan side, wanting also to be freed from charges like embezzlement and corruption. Shameful and ridiculous.
They need freedom
@@alireact1827 who needs freedom? the minority that was voted as the 4th political force in Catalonia? The majority of Catalans DO NOT want independence...
That a politician grants amnesty to another to secure an investiture is regrettable.
Pp made a great mistake with lawfare, they control judges and made a crap. Soober or later we need to use diplomacia not copa charging against civilians of old age😢
There isn't any proof yet about amnesty being on the table. Right-wingers (PP and Vox) are screaming about it simply to inflame their supporters.
It is. But it's also a way to revert a judicialisation process that should've never happened.
@@guillemmoreno5522The judicialisation process follows the Spanish Law, if you don’t like it, leave
@@guille4092 the judicialisation process follows the interests of the two main political parties as well as the Constitutional Court's. Carrying out referendums hasn't been illegal since 2005, when it was removed from the Penal Code. There's absolutely nothing in or outside of the Constitution that explicitly forbids a government from consulting their own people. There's also nothing in or outside of the Constitution that forced the State to pursue Catalan politicians, activists, and citizens for organising the referendum. They could've easily pulled a Canadian or even better, a British. But the Constitutional Court don't care about that. it's also why they decided back in 2006 that the word "nationality" meant nothing and all Spaniards constituted a single people even though the Constitution doesn't state that and the majority of the "Fathers of the Constitution" opposed such an interpretation 40 years ago.
We ARE trying to leave. That's the whole point of becoming independent: to get rid of an unnecessary middleman who doesn't represent us and doesn't care for our interests.
TLDR mispronouncing foreign names is becoming a meme at this point. I'm not complaining though.
Spanish is my first language and IMO Spaniards are much worse at pronouncing English names..
@@Digital111 no
I am. It's so goddamned British.
I like how he pronunces "Feijóo", quite wrong but so hilarious!
I'm completely convinced that these guys mispronounce names wrong in purpose. There's no way they are that bad. Like, come on, they are not even consisten, Feiyo, Faio, Faeio, Faiyo? It's impossible they come up with some many and do all of them wrong.
BIG ISSUE.
And honestly it just takes like a minute to open google translate and see how it's pronouced. Like come on, I'm not expecting a perfect pronunciation, something like "fay-ho" would do it, but something like "Faio"? Come on.
A very accurate video, but the timing couldn't be worse. Yesterday ERC and Junts (two main separatist parties) said that in order to make Sanchez PM, he'll have to hold a referendum, and PSOE has already replied by saying no way Josep, with PSC's leader saying they'll go to new elections if necessary. So, new elections are pretty much guaranteed
I mean, it's possible that PSOE and PP form a grand coalition, like what Germany has been doing in the past 20 years...
@@DaDARKPassthat's political suicide for the leaders of PP and PSOE, or at least the ones who submit
@@arturramirez7640 Again, Germany did it, and it worked out fine for them...
@@MLV1000 Nuestro Presidente se llama así, pero cumple la función de Primer Ministro, así que tiene sentido referirse como él así
@@DaDARKPass Spain is not Germany. Spain is broken in half, even idolizing two different flags, two different visions of what Spain should be. An exaggeration, but it would be like saying Francoists and Republicans should get along. Especially in recent years, since PP has moved considerably to the right and PSOE to the left, they used to be both more on the center. So no, it can't happen. Spain isn't Germany, not even close.
The way he's pronouncing Feijoo's name is wild
Regarding the negotiation between PSOE and Junts, IMO it'll all come down to what are true demands and what's political theatre for internal consumption for their own electorates. PSOE know full well that agreeing to a referendum is untenable, so if Junts (and ERC) hold them down to that no matter what then it's new elections for sure. The irony is that this comes at a moment when the Catalan independence movement is at their weakest internally, with recent polls showing that they'd hold little more than 30-40% of a hypothetical vote on the issue.
T'he people is here, t'he problem is that we dont trust our políticians anymore, and last election we voted to stop t'he right, we wanted to make visible our anger to our politicians
I'm not sure it's the weakest. The political parties are not receiving the support of the people, but that's because pro-independentists are pressuring the parties to basically get their shit together, and continue forward with the separation process with the powers given to them in the form of a pro-independence majority in the Catalan parliament (check the number of abstentions and null votes in the last municipal and general elections). This hasn't really worked with the current party in government, ERC, as they've been “negotiating” (read “conceding stuff without nothing in return”) for years, they are therefore being the ones who are most punished, but Junts actually managed to increase the number of voters in the general elections thanks to adopting a more demanding position in terms of negotiations with the central government in regards to amnesty for political prisoners and exiles, as well as a transfer of competences for a binding referendum of Catalan self-determination. Btw, polls by CIS also gave a clear win to the right-wing coalition, and here we are. Whether Catalans want to remain in Spain or become independent can only be clearly answered in a referendum.
@@lsthero5863this, so much. People keeps forgetting (or just plain can't understand) that Catalans vote (or not) according to the objective of that election.
This election wasn't pro or against independence, it was against VOX and PP. So yes... independentism may look "down" on numbers but it doesn't mean independentists are gone. It just wasn't the priority, so they either didn't vote or voted psoe/sumar.
PSOE knows? Sanchez knows that, forget other parties he would loose the support of his own party almost for sure, a lot of his own parlimentarians would oppose, this is the Central dogma of Spanish politics the Unity of Spain itself.
@@pedrorequio5515 At the end of the day, most people don't really care about that.
😹😹 I love how they pronouned Feijóo as Fajaio 😹😹
for reference it's pronounced fay-HO
More easy: Fake-HO
Guys, please listen audio for how these names are pronounced. Spanish has really easy phonetics, as does Gallego, the root of Feijóo's surname.
It's a Galician name but I agree
@@mateolopez2099 touché! will edit.
I can't believe I found you here 😂
About 5:47
To be fair, 40,000-60,000 people isn't much: for context, there's been rallies for the public healthcare with +600,000 people in exactly the same place than the anti-amnisty rally
it is not, and less for parties voted by 10M people, independentist catalan demonstrations have reached more than a million persons several times
@@ignasifont8041 PP has less than 9M votes but yeah, you have a point
We all know that the majority of Spaniards are opposed to an amnesty. It doesn't matter that more people didn't go to the demonstration.
@@ignasifont8041Years ago and the own catalonian goverment polls are showing support catalonian independence is in an all time low.
@@marcossg The concept of "silent mayority" is bs. But sure. Cope harder.
Spain literally has a party called PP. That's unnecessarily funny to me lol
We're not exactly proud of it.
It's supposed to stand for "Popular Party" but they are only popular with the far right boomers.
So does Canada and a lot of countries lol
@@thematthew761 which one? The people's part of Canada? IE PPC.
Yeah, I didnt think of it being PPC though@@ThatGuy-bz2in
If that’s funny to you you should see those guys in action
I think if he does, Spain won't trust him ever again
You severely overestimate how politically educated the average Spaniard is (for both sides of the spectrum) lol
@@JR-pt8oz Maybe idk. I just think that it would be similar to how people would react in other countries like Labour/SNP in the UK. I mean Labour would never do that because they would be finished but...
@@Idk-ys7rt unlikely IMO, both the central and various autonomic governments consistently lied and made illegal restrictions back when the C thing, no one got punished over it, sadly.
He alredy pardoned some of those guilty of the de facto coup 2017. He is selling Spains integrity piecemeal ever since he got into office and still people vote for him. Generally speaking I dont mind his policies, but this aspect is completely inacceptable and borders - from my understanding - on treason.
@@Idk-ys7rt This is such a dumb take. The amnesty wouldn't have been necessary in the UK because as soon as the SNP demanded a referendum they were given one. No bitching, no moaning, no crying about how "the unity of the nation is sacred". The conservatives (mind you, not Labour, who is more amenable to the Scottish) scheduled the referendum without no fuss, no accusation of betraying the UK and wanting to destroy the country. Which the only the satanic child-eating separatists wanted from the fucking beginning.
"Things are expected to change with a story like this" is a great opening for an ad read, because it works for just about any story, except an obituary.
Y'know, this reminds me a lot of the swedish party in Finland and how they're always the kingmakers there, so they always get loads of concessions in the process.
The difference being the Swedish party in Finland is not separatist.
@@theultumateprezes6379
Well, no, sure, but is it really that different when said party essentially longed for some of that former swedish greatness when it was first created -- and arguably still does to this day?
Well. The catalonian nationalist parties want something that it's basically illegal.
yeah, in fact, it's intended to be like this. Parliment exists so this happens, they give the opportunity to small parties that are strong only in a region to get part of their objectives accomplished, since they would never be part of a government. Parlamentary systems are made for this, otherwise it would be the nightmare the US is or simply a dictatorship
Slight correction:
The parlament looks like this:
National Right and Far Right Wing: PP+Vox 170
Regional Ritgh Wing: CC+UPN+PNV+Junts 13, of wich PNV and Junts will NEVER agree with Vox.
Therefore PP+Vox has up to 172 votes, but right wing parties have 183 votes, well above the majority of 176, this fact is what makes a hypothetical Sanchez "left" Goverment so unstable, he won't have a majority of left votes for his leftist policies
This is one of the more confusing parliamentary morasses you’ve covered
That pronunciation of "Feijoo" must go to the all time mispronunciation rankings.
Ben, unsolicited pronunciation review:
- Junts, Vox, Almunia: very well done. Sounded almost native
- Unidas podemos, Felipe, Pedro Sanchez, Puidgemont, Gonzalez: well done. Sounded like a Brit making an effort
- Feijoo: horrible. You could have chosen to pronounce it in Spanish or Galician (this one is easier for Brits, similar to Portuguese)... sounded like a Brit who has never heard it once in either
- Guerra: horrible. That "u" is meant to be silent
Super accurate but I can't stop laughing at FAHAIOH for Feijoo lmao
This is accurate information in line with the everyday news we receive in Spain. Thanks for your job!
Pronunciation tips:
Feijoó = fey-HOE
Sumar = soo-MAR
I don't really get how a new election would solve this. What would make the people of Spain vote differently in so little time? Clearly it seems that without a constitutional reform, the standoff will last a while
While I do agree with you, when the numbers are so close, convincing a few people is enough to create a more stable government. If you look at the results from the 2019 elections, you can see noticeable changes in the results in a matter of few months.
Elections have been repeated in Spain's recent past and they usually tend to favour the main two parties - PP and PSOE. People who voted for more fringe parties the first time might be scared into strategic voting, which in this case will probably mean less votes for Vox and Sumar. In this scenario, Sanchez would stand a chance of governing on his own or within a small coalition of only two parties which would give him and his government much more stability.
Right now the situation hangs in the balance, with the left and right being able to get the upper hand if just a few votes move in their favour, not only that but the repeat of the elections will hit the smaller and regional parties thanks to strategic voting from both sides, making governing easier.
In my case, I haven't voted for a long time but, seeing the spectacle of politicians meeting with a man on the run from justice to beg him for support, I am considering voting again if there are new elections.
I figure I must not be the only one.
It doesn't matter. A new election is mandated by the Spanish Constitution if a head of government isn't selected two months after the first vote. It's as simple as that. Better to have a new election and trying to solve the deadlock than not doing anything at all.
Great coverage! It's great to listen to local news from a foreign point of view, since it's devolved into entrenched discussions in the media.
However, I'd appreciate if you made a better effort at pronouncing Spanish names. I understand they might be tough for English speakers, but some (eg Feijoo, which is more like Fay-ho) are not even close.
Congratulations for your accurate and objective analysis.
You overlooked something, in the "investiduras", political parties have a third option beside "yes" and "no", which is "abstention". So the PP has it easier than you are telling it, since the PSOE also needs everyone in the opposition to say "no" than stay "absent".
Also, one of the other political parties, are the Basque separatists, and they literally have a darker past than the Catalan separatists...
Interesting, Sweden uses negative parliamentarian as well when the parliament votes for a government. However, the effect of negative parliamentarism is that abstention is in reality pretty much the same as a yes in effect, altho it sends different signals.
@@Aurora-oe2qp Abstentions helps the option with more votes.
It's so weird to see a map of spain from the 80s with the islands on the wrong side
Wdym? There is no "right side"
@@Solon_2 well, if something is to the west irl and gets put on the east side of the map there might be something off
@@samuxan they are very far away. They normally get put in a box wherever there is space
@@samuxan It would still be in the wrong place bc the Canary islands are further away than what the map would show.
The way you say Feijóo is hilarious
Being Spanish myself, all I know is that I'll be steering clear from going to Hipercor for a while
It is interesting to see how your country’s political situation is perceived from abroad.
For next videos, Feijóo (who I admit might be difficult to pronounce for an English speaker) is pronounced similar to 'phay-HOH-oh'
Actually it's phay-HOH. The 2nd o is a regional thing (I'm from that region so I know)
Thank-you. I was reading all the comments about the mispronunciation, but no help.
Im about as far from a spanish speaking country as you can get (Aus) so I was loost.
Gracias! Pues mira, así me he enterado que lo pronuncio mal yo también :)@@xanmontes8715
@@riko0029 No problem!! It's a weird surname lol, very Galician! Greetings from the other side of the world :)
I love how british pronounce "Feijoo". If I was Sanchez I would say it like that all the time.
The pronunciation KEKW love it, from now o n, I will call him Fajaio too
It's fay-HO, not fe-HIGH-ow. Just google it and look for the pronunciation on Wikipedia, it's really not that complicated. Other than that, great video
Its not though it's more like Fayjo.. it's not a soft j
@@BlackDiamondYoutub What do you mean? It's a Spanish jota, making the IPA sound /x/, (nothing to see with English x, it's a hard guttural sound with the throat -- cf the Spanish pronunciation of "México"). The closest equivalent in English phonology is indeed /h/. No one expects people to have a perfect pronunciation of foreign names, but using a rough equivalent in your language isn't that hard. In English, the Spanish jota is normally pronounced /h/, as in San José /SAN ho-SAY/ (roughly).
If you refer to its Galician pronunciation, then it'd be "sh" (/ʃ/) as in "ship", so fay-SHO (fej'ʃo). In no Spanish language is J pronounced like Enlish J (d͡ʒ as in "jump"). (Except maybe Valencian? I'm not sure but anyway Feijóo isn't Valencian)
@@ArturoSubutexrelax, girl 😂
The pronounciation of Several names needs some work, other than that it was a great video
correct pronunciation for Feijo is Fey-Ho
As a Catalan Spaniard, very accurate video, props to this channel that is doing amazing work.
There isn't such thing as "Catalan Spaniards"
@@rao803 Spaniard is a demonym, most ethnic catalans are also spaniards.
You are probably confusing spanish and spaniard.
Spain is a monarchy running in a federal-like system. The monarchy is symbolic but significant as it should have signalled unity. However Spain's political division dated back further in the 18th century, when the Austrian Habsburg, who promised autonomy and tolerance, was defeated by the centralist Bourbon of France, the family that governs Spain today. This creates a chaotic development that saw Spain suffered from constant infighting and ethnic, racial segregation. Franco's 20th century dictatorship mirrored much of the Bourbon.
If Pedro Sanchez agrees to move toward such a controversial deal, he will have to accept greater autonomy and secession rights to be upheld. This risks destabilise Spain and can turn the country into a civil war like what happened in 1936.
Spain is not true federal but rather collection of devoluded autonomous communities
"This creates a chaotic development that saw Spain suffered from constant infighting and ethnic, racial segregation"
I don't think you know what "segregation" means... Either that, or you don't know how Spanish society functions.
Talk Spain or SouthAfrica Apartheid or U.S ?OMG and many lies🤣
@@Lacteagalaxia Isn't civil war enough for you?
@@tiglishnobody8750not gonna happen. Those that are willing to genocide other cultures care more about money.
Fayhio 😂 I died. Bro made him into a US state.
Please check out the pronunciaton of "Feijo" 🤣
It's Feijoo, fey-ho xD
I'm Spaniard and I might be alone in this regard (at least on this comment section) but i just hope that there is another election. I think that, even with a fairly small size, the separatist parties have way too much influence on this government (for these past 4 years). If Pedro Sánchez finally accepts to give an amnesty it will mean that the judicial power in my country would be meaningless as it can't really control what the politicians are doing. Besides, the amnesty as it is, is not adressed anywhere in our constitution, so it could be considered unconstitutional to do so.
Anything that isnt said that is ilegal is always legal in most countries
It really doesn't matter, we still won't have real representation nor judicial independence.
Makes sense, but there has to be found a way to tame the separatists parties in the long run?
@@Dudlers95 put a cupo sistem in all autonomous comunities.
A cupo sistem is used by the basques and navarre, in that sistem you pay like 5% to the central govetment to pay for the congress and the diplomatic sector but the rest is spend in that comunity instead of redistributing it to poorer areas, the problem, halph of spain is an econimic disaster, mistly the south, so they dont want to do that
You are not spaniard, you are spanish. Spaniard is an insult. Be aware of that.
I almost died when you said Feijóo 😅
As an addendum, the yellow party, esquerra, is also independentist, so more or less anything said about junts also applies to esquerra. Psoe also needs to win them over just like junts, and as a matter of fact, their leader was the one in prision while junts' one was in belgium
Neat government system :P
It is not a bad system, the constitution has many problems but the election system isn't one.
The quirky part of the story, which I think was not mentioned here, is that the Catalan indepence members refused to meet the King, whcih resulted in the King inviting Feijoo to form a government even when he had less support that Sanchez.
Would you meet with a king that literaly called for t'he violent repression of your people?
Eso no tiene nada que ver, el Rey casi siempre propone al candidato de la lista más votada, independiente de sus posibilidades de formar gobierno, sería raro no hacerlo
You have to work a bit on the pronuntiation of Feijoo😂😂
"Junts" is right wing from the economic point of view, so it would become easier for the opposition to pass laws than the governing coalition. The only thing that really makes sense is new elections.
They are right wing. Period.
@@Paulxlcomo el psoe
@@Paulxl yes and no. Economically, sure. But socially? They're significantly more progressive than any national right-wing party.
@@guillemmoreno5522 That's a cope-out
@@Paulxl not really. It's simply a fact.
To give you an example, the pro-independence right has always been supportive of Aran. They supported the officiality of Aranese at a regional level, supported Aran holding several competences as well as a Parliament of their own, and it was during a right-wing government that Aran was granted the right to secede from Catalonia via referendum. Ironically, the only parties that opposed such a measure were the State right-wing parties.
The pro-independence right doesn't seek to culturally homogenise Catalonia, unlike what PP and especially C's and Vox want(ed) to do with Spain. Junts is openly supportive of LGBT and similar social issues while PP and C's hardly ever go(went) beyond abstaining and Vox outright opposes them. Now, do strongly conservative pro-independence Catalans typically vote Junts? Well, most likely, but it's not like they have a strong alternative further right. Pro-Spanish conservatives, however, do.
Are Junts conservative? Technically they're centre-right, mostly right when it comes to economics. But much of what Junts have supported, especially when it comes to social and cultural issues, would be unthinkable coming from today's State right and sometimes even the State left.
This is an excellent report. A few Spanish expats around me stated that chances are extremely high for another election.
Something I did notice from the major news outlets is that most media from the land of the Yanks portrayed Sánchez as having a “99%” chance of remaining as PM. Confusing to say the least.
Immigrants ❤
Well, I think they got it right... 99% of remaining President... if he wants to. He might prefer another roll of the dice, though.
@@MithurSheridan Amnesty is one thing, but another referendum is another. The risk is too high for himself and the PSOE.
Honestly, Spain might as well hold another election. The trajectory of a country decided by a few.
@@mab9614 The PSOE knows the referendum is not possible in the same way they all knew getting the regional languages in the list of the EU work languages was impossible.
What do you mean by "expats"?
bro really called him fegghaio 😂😂
The name of the guy who appears on a pic with a narco in Galicia is /Fai-ho/. Sanchez has already been invested and the ministeries have been alocated.
Imagine being so desperate to govern that you would literally be willing to risk ending the integrity of your country.
Countries are a social construct. Lithuania used to be the largest country in Europe now it's one of the smallest. It's still Lithuania, nobody cares, everyone's happy.
Yes it is petty, and outrageous of Sánchez (and yet, he is the political beast that gets away with anything and everything) considering he could make the grand coalition and become Spanish Merkel. PP and PSOE are basically the same, the vote the same in the EU parliamnet like 78-80% of times.
Mate, Catalans are voting for the first time in almost 10 years for a Spanish political party. When Rajoy was in power, an illegal referendum was held and Catalans were so anti-Spain that it felt like Kosovo-Serbia. If Madrid wants Catalonia in, they have to sit and chat. Rajoy was not even communicating with the Catalan president at the time. So what are you on about that “the president is risking the integrity of the country”? Literally Sánchez has proved the point that dialogue is the only solution to the situation. Btw this is not a Spanish thing, but a very basic principle of conflict resolution and peacemaking politics. Otherwise, yes, give VOX the Ministry of Interior… and just wait up on your coach how the crisis explotes again.
*David Cameron looks away.*
@@180593jorgeEspaña no se negocia, punto
On a side note, if we consider Vox a far right party, we should consider Sumar a far left party. Let’s be fair and impartial
Sumar isn’t a revolutionary party, so it can’t be considered far left. It’s too reformist.
@@TonyGModesto the same could be said about Vox. If something, Sumar wants more changes than Vox in the current system, starting from the Monarchy…so if there is a revolutionary party, it would be them. And no, I am not voting Vox at all 😅 I am not defending them, just trying to be fair here.
The fact that Yolanda Diaz talks with a sweet voice and sounds calm doesn’t change what’s on her agenda
so funny how you say the Galician name Feijòo
@TLDRnewsEU
Feijóo will dissappear from the political scene really soon but just FYI his name should be pronounced: PHEI - HEAU, (phei like faint and heau like Trudeau, the "h" being pronounced and not silent). Keep the good job!
As a Brit living in Spain this was extremely helpful thanks.
They should do what my goverment did: Negotiate between PP and PSOE to form a rotative goverment. I mean bulgaria did it as well so why hesitate ?
Good luck with that in Spain
@@FlamencoOz hey, desperate times call for desperate measures
PP tried to reach an agreement with PSOE but they instantly refused talking so, yeah, its messed up
@@cgt3704 They hate each other. They rather to burn Spain down than work together
We did that very long ago, called "Turnismo", it didn't go well some years later though...
Guys. Please! Boost the contrast of your video! It looks flat. Twenty seconds of adjustment could make your video look SO much better!!
5:03 - what is an independence referendum?
It should be noted that the Spanish government is legally bound by its constitutional doctrine to prohibit a referendum of independence. A referendum on secession in Catalonia goes squarely against Article 1 of the Spanish Constitution: “National sovereignty belongs to the Spanish people.” Sovereignty pertains to all Spaniards and it is the whole of the nation that has the “right to decide.”
Such provisions appear in every written constitution in the world, with the exceptions of St. Kitts and Nevis, and Ethiopia. In the 2006 case of Kohlhaas v. State, the Supreme Court of Alaska ruled: “Secession is clearly unconstitutional and therefore an improper subject for the ballot initiative.” Courts in Italy and Germany have come to similar conclusions.
Which is honestly bullshit from a moral point of view and one of the main reasons why I oppose the concept of nation-states in general.
@@TheLostArchangel666 What kind of system do you propose and how could collaboration arise in that system?
@@omegaRST I personally trend towards a more decentralized, confederal premise with grassroots direct democracy and genuine solidarity, in place of coercive top-down nationalism, as main cornerstone. Something akin to the democratic confederalism of the Rojava Kurds, or arguably, something similar to what Catalonia itself had with the CNT-FAI during the Spanish civil war.
@@TheLostArchangel666 i think the problem with those systems is that states with their highly organized militaries end up defeating them.
@@MrAngryCucaracha You make a good point there - historically that did happen quite often. Still. The likes of Makhno do prove such a society needn't be defenseless to say the least? Sure, Makhno lost in the end, but that was largely a matter of overwhelming force and numbers, not ideology.
I appreciate the coverage of Catalan politics. One thing though: "Puigdemont" is a Catalan name and is pronounced "pooch duh moan", because "ig" makes a "ch" sound in Catalan. It's pretty cringy to pronounce his name as though it were Spanish.
And Feijóo is a Galician name - fay-ZHOo
Feijoo looks like Tim Apple.
Death by numbers.
I don't get it, are Catalans being discriminated against or are their voice not being heard enough. I am truly unfamiliar with the Catalan situation.
Spain has always been very diverse, It is after all the union of several different kingdoms.
The thing is that at first each territory maintained its own laws but when the war of spanish succession happened the Catalonians and some others aligned themselves with the candidate that Lost, so the new King punished them with reforms to take away power from the local elites and centralize It (loyal territories like navarre maintained its privileges,and they still have It nowadays)
Then at the start of the XX century Catalonian literature experimented a boom,this caused the creation of political parties that wanted more autonomy and protection for the local culture, they wanted a Catalonian nation inside a federation with the rest of Spain, they were very aligned with the newly formed spanish republic and got crushed with It.
Then in the following dictatorship catalan use was limited and autonomy abolished.
This was reversed when democracy reappeared in Spain and for some years the conflict was seem as solved as pro independence parties were very very small, however the central government wanted to make some changes in the law that regulates Catalonian autonomy to limit It in some areas,this was very unpopular and caused the start of the current crisis
That was the history behind, but there are also economic factors, in Spain the richer regions are supposed to help the poorer ones,Catalonia is one of the most wealthy and dont want to help the others so much, so some political parties started a campaign saying that Spain was stealing from them.
@@vates4163 Catalan here to confirm this is actually a pretty good summary of the historical grievances. There's much more to it, of course, but this gives an accurate general image of the context.
@@Eteriaa thanks!, im interested in history so i knew about It, but It is always good to hear that you think It was good, im from Asturias
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@@vates4163 same rhetoric was in Ukraine's Donbass in 2014, and look at it now
In the meantime Macron goes to Corsica to proudly agree to give Corsicans a very limited degree of autonomy as long as it's understood loyalty to the French Republic is above anything else....and, by the way, the local language is just....that, local, forget about any ideas related to making it an official language.......interesting what a border along the Pyrinees can make to how regional parties behave and understand how they fit into a country. Catalans should be delighted to be a part of Spain and not their much-admired France.
It's just rethoric.
1) I'd like to know where you got the idea that we Catalans admire France. We don't. In fact, I'd argue Catalans generally despise France's government system, especially consdering there are ethnic Catalans living in France.
2) Catalan's official status and relatively stable situation (emphasis on "relatively") have not been achieved thanks to Spain, but despite Spain. Spain didn't make Catalan official, Catalonia did. Spain simply acknowledged it. All the efforts to protect and promote the language are carried out by the Catalan government. Spain doesn't lift a finger if it's not in its own interest, and hinders Catalonia's efforts rather than help more often than not. We owe nothing to Spain and Catalan would nowadays be in a much more comfortable position had it not been for Spain.
@@guillemmoreno5522 More than 91 % of Spaniards voted in nationwide referendum in favor of a Spanish Constitution that literally says in its 3.2 article that Catalonia and any other region can set whatever regional official languages they want using their "estatutos de autonomia" (it's like a regional constitution). You saying Catalan people made Catalan official and Spain just passively allowed is a lie. You are just lying.
@@Paulxl yes. More than 91% of a total of less than 70% of Spaniards didn't want to continue with a dictatorship. Most of these Spaniards, however, couldn't give two shits about Catalan, Basque or Galician.
Who pushed for Catalan, Basque, and Galician to be included in the Constitution? We did. Not them. Us. It was included not because Spaniards are very generous and solidary people who learnt from their mistakes, but because most "fathers" of the Constitution wanted it as well and because it was basically necessary to avoid another civil war. The concept of "nationality" exsits for a reason, even if the Constitutional Court dismisses it nowadays. But do you really think most Spaniards wanted these languages to be official? Do you really think that they all agreed with everything the Constitution mentioned? Just like we probably wouldn't have agreed to a monarchy if we'd been given the chance to decide on this issue, they wouldn't have agreed to allow these languages to become official.
Also, you mentioned the very well-known Section 3.2 of the Constitution. But can you name me a single project carried out directly from Madrid to "protect" these languages in the last 40 years? Because I con only think of one, one that happened very recently, out of sheer necessity for Spain's governability and not solidarity towards us, and that should've happened 40 years ago. What exactly is the State doing to "respect" and "protect"? Because attacking a very successful education system or allowing Spaniards not to learn these languages when living in regions where they're official seems to go against "respecting" and "protecting." Pretty much everything done to improve Catalan's social and cultural situation is thanks to us, not Spain.
Telling me that I should be grateful to Spain is like telling me to be grateful to someone for having the dencency to take me to the hospital after chopping off my leg with an axe. We owe Spain nothing. Catalan has suffered plenty because of Spain and "reparations," if you want to call them that, are half-assed at best and damaging at worst.
@@guillemmoreno5522 I'm geniunely tired of people like you that rewrites history to suit their objetives. You are coming across as an entitled, manipulative asshole. Good luck to all basque, galician and catalan people trying to pass a constitutional admendment that makes independence referendums legal. You are going to need it and behaving like this is not going to help one bit. You could learn from PNV and Bildu. At least they are effective in getting things done for their region and their people. Catalan nationalists are too blinded by all the bs you just said and you fail to see you need the support of a mayority of spaniards to get what you want. Good luck.
This is very accurate, for a foreign channel. 🎉
FAIJOO 🤣🤣🤣🤣 amo todas las pronunciaciones
I really like your videos, I am not Spanish but you always butcher the pronunciation of non-English names of people, places, etc. Please just listen to the correct pronunciation once and implement it🙏🏻
that would be nice but it's not gonna happen 😂
counterpoint: it’s really funny
yeah, unfortunately, it's not going to happen. somehow, the internet and especially youtube have made it optional to pronounce names correctly. or maybe it is a problem of the anglosaxon cultures.
Support for Catalan independence among those living in Cataluña is slipping away, it is already polling less than 50%. across the region and even less in the Urban areas such as Barcelona. Spanish not Catalan is most widely spoken, and over 40% self identify as both Spanish and Catalan with less than 20% as only Catalan. Those seeking independence are desperate to force a referendum now as the odds of winning are slowly slipping away. Any such referendum campaign would be wildly divisive, be open to all sorts of interference and false information and if the result went against Junts and ERC more than likely denied and rejected as fixed. Conversely if they won there is no mechanism for Catalonia to remain in Europe, even more business, banks and industry would leave than did in 2017. 80% of Catalan exports are sold in the rest of Spain these would be subject to the same red tape as UK goods due to Brexit.
Well, not necessarily. Bear in mind that these are general elections, not regional, and pro-independence votes always go down in general elections. Some people prioritised stopping the right by voting the national left, and there are pro-independence sectors that advocate for abstentionism because they believe Catalonia shouldn't concern itself with Spain's governability and trying to negotiate with Spain is futile (can't really say they're totally wrong given Spain's history of making false promises in exchange for support). What we do clearly see is disillusionment among pro-independence voters with ERC and Junts' recent lack of unity and common goals, which may actually be changing for the better currently.
What do you mean there's no mechanism for Catalonia to remain in Europe? Are you telling me the EU Parliament can't carry out a vote to decide whether EU countries want Catalonia in the EU or not? The system's there and there's no logical or practical reason to believe Catalonia wouldn't be able to re-enter the EU. Nobody benefits from a non-EU Catalonia and Spain literally wouldn't be able to afford a veto.
You forget to mention that those who are againts independence aren't ethnic Catalans, but Spanish immigrants who came in the past century. They also the ones who speak Spanish as their primary language, not the native Catalans. Besides, the independentists still hold power in Catalonia, they got more than the 50% of the votes on the last Catalan elections, so that's the true data anyone should bring when discussing this issue and not poles that can be manipulated.
@@rao803 I have seen more pro-independence Charnegos, Africans and Latinos than people with Catalan names and surnames...
@@DhaarioHD Well your personal experience can never be taken as an argument. Just look at the areas that support independence the most in every election, those are the same areas that had the least spanish immigration during the Franco dictatorship.
@@rao803 These things also happen in the smaller towns of the Valencian community (which are not pan-Catalanist).
Anecdotal evidence is the least valuable, of course I agree with you, but go to a demonstration and you will always see the same type of people.
Thanks to that immigration and all the industry extracted from the rest of Spain, Catalonia is what it is today.
Faijo, fajaio... Jajajaja It is Feijóo 😂
0:08 Look! It's Steve Jobs!
Deeply difficult topic. I'm a progressive/left person who voted for Sumar last time, and I'd like to keep a progressive coalition, but I strongly dislike Junts, then I dont know what I prefer this time, since I don't think another elections would be good either
I think having separatists in parliament is not good. The Spanish constitution is failing and allows this sort of rubbish. How can a country progress if you have separatists in govt looking to bring the state down.
I mean we have either other elections, eat shit or let pp govern. Which is even more shit.
Once half this country stops playing at "wave my flag around" we can get somewhere
@@quasarlgqFrom an outside perspective, Spain's anti-separatist movement looks strange to some other Westerners. Especially given Spain's tumultuous history (like it's formation based on a 600 year old medieval marriage) and the fact that small Western European countries are incredibly successful - Luxembourg, Ireland, the Netherlands - all former parts of greater European empires that have done really well for themselves and their people as small nation states. It just seems like Madrilenians trying to hang onto the last bit of their empire. Much like London does with Scotland and Northern Ireland.
Nope the anti speratist movemnet looks like the sane part of Spain to us nationalities in Europe@@cxzact9204
@@cxzact9204 What a load of drivel you just spewed.
Can you make a video on how the international order is based on hypocrisy and the right to self determination is only valid when politically convenient?
We admire partisans, George Washington, etc while we despise who does the same thing today.
Three words; Might makes Right...
will you secede a region just because a group of terrorist want that?
The Right to self determination is well established and defined in international law. The problem with Catalan separatism isn’t that it is inconvenient, it’s that according to virtually every source and expert (apart from the separatists themselves), it does not meet the criteria to be considered covered by the right to self-determination under international law.
Over half the people of Catalunya do not want to leave Spain. The polls are consistent on this and in fact they are showing the independence movement on the decline. The big problem is that the Catalan electoral distribution is not based on population. It's geographical and so alot of seats exist in areas with very little population which keeps the separatists in power.
@@FlamencoOzif that was the case, why not just let them vote and fail like the UK did with Scotland?
How can an English journalist pronounce "Feijoo" so dissimilar to Spanish ? It sounds like we're talking about Sony's VAIO computers.
Man, I really love all your work! But I can't avoid being hurt by the way you pronounced Spanish names 😂
Amazing video as always, nonetheless!!!!
Pp and psoe should negotiate.
🤣🤣🤣 no more needs to be said
@@Astrogator1I think that the original commenter thinks that Spain is like Germany where centre right allies with the left to keep right wing Nationalists out of power.
As a Spaniard pls send help, this country is a mess...
You're actually doing better than most in Europe
What do you expect making a home with rotting wood. Spain's issues have historically always been the same. An elite group that wants to exploit, different groups that want autonomy for their people (ranging from conservative, liberals, to socialists), and different types of socialists (SD [which at times fall with the exploiting elite], comunists, and self-determination movements [be them national or individual]. People in Spain need to accept the plurality of the territory for it to thrive, it cannot thrive any other way, a centralized government will never worked and only "worked" under the tyranny of monarchs or dictators
@@thematthew761 Ironically enough, only thanks to regional parties that actually want to leave Spain. Otherwise, there would be a right-wing coalition with the far-right governing Spain.
@@thematthew761 in what ? In destroying ourselves, if in that,of course but, in the rest are we trailing behind all of Europe.
@@mateolopez2099 You are right when you say that domination of certain groups because historically the regions are different due to the influence they have of different cultures such as that of the Catalans with the french, but the The solution cannot be to give in to a minority that today represents less than 2% of the votes in the last elections in Spain, at least that is my point of view.
lol imagine thinking voting actually works
just clear the lot of them out, strike them off the next ballot, and vote in new people
Those people marching in Madrid = utter weirdos.
I think there should be tactical voting between PSOE and Sumar to win as many seats as possible to keep JUNTS out or possibly get a majority itself.
Yes, like that didn't happen last time. LOL
@@FlamencoOz I think last time there was no tactical voting only in Social media people were saying that.
@@arpandas2243nah def was even on the right there was
Even if Sanchez becomes president every parlament decision will be subjected to the same negotiation :) Fun
Independence parties getting a say in things does not really hurt anyone, they are usually in favor of giving people rights and delegating decision making as much as possible, who cares. Everyone talking as if them getting their way would mean Catalonia breaking away 😂
Don't worry, Sanchez will even sell his grandma in order to be president anyways
You assume he hasn't already done it
@@thatonejoey1847he sold his whole family, the country, his honour already. Now he will sell the future of our children.
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@@fmartingorb Lemme guess, you voted for Abascal.
@@yf.f4919 let me guess I voted for your mother
Puigdemont was not a founder of Junts 😬
Just to correct, catalan baque and galician are not minirority languages, are co-ofical languages with spanish
It's not only the fact that Sanchez needs Junts, but also BILDU, which it's a party formed by ex-terrorist members of ETA. This terrorist killed hundreds of Spanish, wich it's makes Sanchez even more controversial.
El PP fue fundado por un ministro franquista. Ni un solo fascista pasó por la cárcel por violar derechos humanos. Aznar es culpable de la muerte de miles en Iraq y del 11m aquí. Rajoy y las comunidades peperas se cargaron a miles de personas durante la crisis por no actualizar tratamientos para la Seguridad Social. Toda la corrupción del PP (y del PSOE, por supuesto) también mata, ese dinero podría salvar vidas. Bildu renegó de la violencia, el PP del franquismo nunca. Si Bildu no puede participar en democracia, para qué lucharon en CONTRA de ETA?.
Why are you spreading misinformation?
See...people like pablo are the reason for a faschist party like Vox....🙄
It's not Spain's dilema, it's the Socialists party dilema, since they're the ones that could keep power by giving air to the seccesionists.
It is Spains dilemma that the alternative is only another election, with potentially the same outcome. Spains political class is just so scared that a Catalan independence referendum might actually win, they are more willing to continue holding onto the region with repressive means than to just settle the issue with a referendum (which, all things considered, the separatists would likely lose)
@@olenickel6013 This is simply false, there can be no referendum without a previous constitutional reform, that has to be put to vote by the whole country, a new election has to be called afterwards. Olen random foreigner who has no idea about the topic clearly loves to express hyperbolic ideas because it sounds right to him but he is just a fool
@@olenickel6013 threat of direct rule and police brutality only fuel Catalan nationalism more than before
If that happens it will be a national referendum. Last time Catalans unilaterally decided independence... you know what happened.
Independentists always rise in polls when the Spanish right is in power, I wonder why...
The video is quite good but the way you pronounce spanish words is hilarious :)
They're fighting over getting some junt. Sounds so dirty.
Love your channel BUUUUT, come on guys, make an effort and at least try to pronounce names. It's not just Spanish, but same with Chinese, Russian, Ukrainian, French, etc. Even if your content is great, such butchering makes it seem less serious. Love you anyways❤
Why is Vox referred as extreme right and Sumar not as extreme left which they are
Vox want to stripped Devolution in Spain which are extreme to Spain standard
Vox is far right . Sumar is left wing not far left because it's pro eu atleast on paper and policies they support.
What do you expect from a left wing channel? They call the other side "extreme" very quickly and turn a blind eye to their own side. (Happens in reverse as well, in case someone wanted to point that out)
@@bloodwargaming3662 they support Maduro, Irán . Comunistas with a bit of make up. There is no one further left than they are . The left in Spain is not like the UK
@@ComradeAart if tldr is leftist dam maybe Hitler is centrist according to you lol m