NO worries ! K-STATE going to The BIG10 or The PAC12. Either way, it's a Huge win-win for The KATS. They will make 3X in yearly Revenue in Better more established Conferences.
Nebraska saw this coming and no school stood with them when it would have made a difference. ALL because Texas wouldn't sign over the TV rights. There could have been a Big 12 Network and all made money.
Exactly what I was going to write! That's what you get when you appease the dictator (Texas). Now they are leaving you in the dust. Serves you right for leaving Nebraska on the ledge with conference votes. I call it justice. I'm sorry, but KSU will be left holding the bag.
texas and oklahoma have basically sold their cachet. funny how they waited for saban to get along in his coaching years before they made the move. 🤔 hope OK enjoyed those cfp appearances…
A&M, MIssouri, Nebraska, and Colorado left because of Texas inflated ego. OU and Texas Tech didn't have the courage to stand up to them either. When Texas realized A&M and Missouri were winning in money and recruits, they changed their tune on the SEC and actively worked with OU to undermine the conference.
OU didn’t have to “stand up to them” they were competing for championships, winning the recruiting battle, and the powerhouse of the conference. All 4 teams that left were perpetual losers, so they took their ball and went to another playground.
Oklahoma is not as devious as Texas. This is all started by Texas at the expense of the Big 12. The SEC would not take only Texas. They had to get Oklahoma to conspire with them. Even if it meant back stabbing Oklahoma State.
John please continue to point out the value of KSTATE per USA Today, our attendance numbers at bowls and home since the formation of the BIGXII. Our inclusion in a 12 team CFP over the last decade, etc. We have good value.
Best overall analysis that I have heard so far; thank you! I am very concerned about K-State and hope and pray that the school's leadership is doing everything that it can to position it in the best possible situation. As a Texas Tech grad also, I have the same hopes and prayers for the Red Raiders. Props to Mizzou for recognizing the terrible dysfunctionality of the Big 12 almost ten years ago.
If OU and Texas are “greedy” for trying to reap the revenue that they generate as brands, then what are Baylor and smaller Big 12 programs for wanting to keep OU and Texas in the Big 12 because their affiliation generates more revenue for the smaller brands?
@@thedebatehitman maybe they should’ve just been scrimmaging against themselves all these years and no one else. How’s that, jerk? I mean, such a great brand and all, the entire country would just tune in to see them play each other 9 times a year - don’t need anyone else.
@@ntnsty Man, you really missed the point that I made. For the sake of argument, let’s assume that an entity is “greedy” for undertaking one or more particular actions with the intent to maximize it’s revenue and brand. Great! So with that behind us, we can now assess that OU “greedy” while acknowledging that such is “life.” But here’s the thing. Baylor will likely do anything that it legally can to keep OU and Texas in the Big 12 because doing so maximizes the program’s revenue and brand as a Power 5 conference member. And if OU and Texas do leave despite Baylor’s efforts, the Bears will undoubtedly try to land in another Power 5 conference in an effort to maintain its revenue and brand as a Power 5 member. So we have a situation in which Baylor will undertake whatever actions it can to maximize its revenue and brand potential. What does that make Baylor? You see, I’m willing to concede that OU and Texas are “greedy” so long as others are willing to acknowledge the same for all other programs.
When Mizzou and the Aggies drew a line in the sand over the shorthorn network, the purple kitties offered to give Texas an even greater share of their meager allowance. Ku, ksu, Cy and Okie light deserve their fate. You should have stood with Mizzou.
I would like to point out KU is an AAU school, ISU is as well. I believe the 2 of those together would make a lot of since for the Big 10. I think TTU, OSU, KSU, and Boise join the Pac 12 with ND and WVU going to the ACC. Maybe TCU BAYLOR and BYU can base some conference that basically blends the MWC former Big 12 and best of AAC.
I think PAC12 has 9 out of 12 teams are AAU and none of there schools are Just Land Grant schools. I don't know how KSU, Texas Tech or classified and In the past the PAC12 has not wanted Religiously affiliated Schools.
@@DayneTB AAU is a research designation of 64 schools, 2 of them are in Canada, that have significant research in Medicine, Bio_Tech and other Science areas like Physics, etc. All the Big 10 are in it, I think all the PAC12, except Washington State, Arizona State and Oregon State are in it. Schools like Columbia, NYU, Dartmouth, Washington U in Saint Louis, PENN, are in it. So just being a Carnegie 1 Research School, of which there are about 130 in the USA does not get you in the AAU research designation.
As a future student of kansas state (next fall) and with an mom that is an alumni. We watch kansas state religiously together ever since 2012 I remember exactly when I became a kansas state fan was the game against Oklahoma that year and their QB fumbled and kansas state recovered it for a TD I just remembered the excitement in the room with my mom jumping up and down yelling and ever since then I was hooked then I remember the next week we embarrassed West Virginia and were rolling from their and that was the birth of my love for kansas state
Now isn't the time to be making fun of WVU. Now that UT and OU are out WVU is the only thing keeping the Big 12 together. If they leave, (which they should) KSU is at the very bottom of the list for interest from other conferences.
@@1988stefanh bruh I wasn’t hating on them I was just saying how I feel in love with kansas state football and football in general because I’m pretty worried about the future of kansas state
Fan since 1969, Lynn Dickey was my hero. 1984 grad. Very sad at all this greed. UT isn't that great, and we've beaten OU several times in last 5 years.
I'd love to see the Big 12 (Big 8 soon) stick together and try and lure back Nebraska and bring in BYU, Cincy and possibly Memphis or Boise State. Know it sounds impossible, but I have to believe BIG 12 FOREVER!
@@ryantaylor3828 Thanks for that. As a grad from K State, these seem like troubled times for my beloved Power Cats. Best of luck in the SEC. Kick some butt.
Being a big ten fan, you can have Nebraska back. I never understood that one. That have literally been not that competitive since joining. Same with Maryland and Rutgers.
I know you guys love your football but KSU will be fine. What's the worst case? The Mountain West Conference? If they add KSU, TTech, OSU, TCU and Baylor the MWC would be a solid conference. Or those 5 could form their own conference and add Boise State, Cincinatti, UCF, BYU, Memphis, Houston, Wyoming and maybe a KU or Iowa State will still be available. That would easily be the 5th best conference.
@@nhardman I honestly think that as well. Any conference could add these guys and be solid. Not as strong as the SEC, but yet solid. It’s that simple I just hope the folks and the powers that be realize that instead of splitting them up. That being said Go Dawgs.
Step one, fight the exit and don't let it happen quickly. Step two, add Cincinnatti and Memphis as new members and as travel partners for West Virginia. Step three, reach out to BYU and form a Notre Dame style partnership- BYU football stays independent but BYU puts 5 or 6 Big 12 schools on their schedule every year. This is good for everyone. Step four, add UCF and USF as members 11 and 12. Bring back divisions and make it East and West. Step five, if we get this far and if the Big 12 wants to reach 16- see if you can add Boise St, UNLV, Fresno St, and San Diego St out west. Maybe some other package to the west, but definitely add 2 schools from California. Medium term best case- the Big 12 survives and is anchored by teams in Texas and Florida while having a member school in Ohio, and WVU is no longer on an island. Long term dream scenario- Big 12 exists and is anchored by multiple teams in Cali, Texas, and Florida while also having one in Ohio. You cannot possibly have member schools in All of the best recruitment grounds and not succeed in any of them. Just put it together.
@@nhardman Couple of reasons. One- everyone can manage the travel a bit better if there's a smaller number of not-really-conference games. Two, there isn't a great travel partner that could come right along with BYU. Three, BYU wants to be independent and the Big 12 doesn't really need them as a full member in football. The Big 12 doesn't really need them in Olympic sports either, to be honest.
ACC don't want WV. Declining state population. Highest unemployment rate in the US. Drug capitol of the US. Highest poverty rate in the US. Hell no to WV
I’m not an alum, as I didn’t finish my degree at KSU…but I’ve been a Wildcat for 30 years. I also realized years ago that you really can do without many things, like worrying about sports teams. I quit following any professional sports leagues…occasionally I look at “my” teams place in the standings, but I haven’t watched a pro game since around the time the Royals won the WS. Guess I can add college sports to the list now, since it’s mired in scandal and realignment and money. Good luck KSU, hope it works out well for you.
So happy our administration had the foresight to see this coming... Never had any ill-will towards K-state. Hope you guys land on your feet in a good conference. I think Pac-12 would be best for you and okie state.
As someone who lives in the South East, I am concerned about all this conf. Realignment..... but!! Now we understand more of why a former Assistant Coach turned down several Head jobs at great Universities, and took the HCJ they did. We heard whispers , during Championship Conf. Games, and NC playoffs... I don't know where this will end up Conferences by 2025, but is a cautionary tale of the state of NCAA shakeup. Another thing I find illogical, is after all these years of horn blistering language against the South Eastern Conference, now they wanna join??????? As for Oklahoma, good folk, they love their University..... Reckon they looked at Missouri and T AM and thought why NOT? Again just rumors way back in December..... but we are now seeing more truth unfolding from those bleacher and locker room rumors.... Hope your team has a grand 2021 season.....
Big 10 has to chop Rutgers and probably Maryland while expanding to 16 teams with Iowa St, Kansas, Kansas St, and Oklahoma St or maybe Cinci. Makes more sense geographically and competitively.
Don't agree. They don't have to do anything. It's ultimately business sense for them. Which is better to add two west coast teams or two Midwest teams. I think at some point regionalism has to take precedent. Ku and ISU makes most sense.
I very much like K-State as I have family that graduated there. K-State will have to go to a group of 5 conference. The Big12 is done. TTU/oSu/ to the pac10, ISU/KU to the Big10, WVU to the ACC. Everyone else on their own. NO WAY the Pac would put up with Baylor in their conference. By the way, I am an OU fan. I'm not laughing at ANYONE (other than may aTm). If I had my way, the old Big 12 or EVEN the OLD Big 8, would be GREAT by me. But time flows forward, not backward.
Get ready for the new Division 2! All those not invited to the new Confederation of Major League Football Powers as defined by ESPN/ TV. NCAA is history!
I posted on my Facebook that all the big 12 teams should forfeit games against Texas and Oklahoma the rest of the year. This would make it so those teams can't profit from their sports at all. Then once they make the move the rest of the power conferences should avoid playing the SEC teams and make their own bowl games and championship games.
I just watched a Baylor video podcast and it was sad to watch and listen knowing that if the Pac 12 doesn't throw them a lifeline its a non power 5 league for them for various reasons. Hope KSU has a better chance at joining tha PAC 12 or BIG 10. Texas Tech and Oklohoma State are probably a lock to the PAC 12.
I don't get the people who have Baylor and TCU in over K-State in a PAC 16 scenario. K-State is a public secular school that meets the academic requirements of the Pac and has the largest enrollment of the three, plus has tons or alumni in Dallas.
@@janinebrittanica4314 I have actually not heard many say Baylor or TCU have an easier path to an expansion to the PAC 12 than K state or Oklahoma state. I have mostly seen people saying its most likely those schools will no longer be in a power 5 conference when this is over just based on their academic standards and religious affiliations. The only reason I have heard regarding K state that would prevent them from joining the PAC 12 is logistics ( Time Zone and long travel for teams).
@@dansal4726 lots of talking heads positing scenarios of a pac 14 or 16 and many have TCU and/or Baylor along with Tech and OSU and no mention of KSU. There seems to be this idea that Baylor and TCU have more than KSU.
College Football has turned into a semi professional sport. ESPN is paying big money for Texas & Oklahoma to be in the SEC. They both have a lot of money & big fan bases. With the talk of expanding the playoffs, both these teams will have a greater chance of making the playoffs. This move is going to force the other big conferences to grow. It is all about money!
Actually Texas and Oklahoma reduced their chances of being in the playoffs. The competition in the SEC will reduce their probability of wins. Hell, Texas could not even managed well in the Big 12 since Mack Brown left.
As a Nebraska fan, all I can say is we tried to warn you. And nobody say, "We knew. There was just nothing we could do about it!" There are more than enough 11-1 votes in Big 12 history to prove that theory wrong. Hope you guys find a good landing spot though. Obviously we're all fans and have no control over our program's administrations.
Yeah, that's the thing. I think K-State knew exactly what they were dealing with in Texas ten years ago but there weren't any other options than to stay tethered together with UT, unfortunately.
Remember all the abuse NU and MU took when they left 10 years ago from their Big 12 "brethren"? Got called every name in the book. Now those same people are "lifting their skirts" to any conference that will have them. Now Mizzou and NU are sitting back, pointing and laughing.
Just bring that Texas rant. Can predict it all but will welcome the confirmation once again. They’re a cancer to any conference. SEC don’t think you’re above them messing with you too.
@@christopherwebb3517 yes, yes. Get that. But where are you seeing PAC expanding east? I'm seeing pac teams joining B1G. WVU will not be joining pac. They'd never be invited.
Here's a real question I have, When OU and UT do leave that leaves KU, ISU, WVU, TCU, TTU, KSU, OSU, and Baylor. With Nebraska in the big 10 could we get some flex on getting in with KU, we are competitive in every major sport through the last 10 years, I feel a cupcake conference forming and whoever the pac 12 doesn't take you could see some distinguished D2 schools rise up and join whatever league will form with the rest of the big 12 and possibly Houston, maybe see NDSU actually move up to D1?
Kansas and Iowa State to the Big Ten. Pac 16 *Pacific Division* USC UCLA Stanford California Oregon Oregon State Washington Washington State *Western Division* Arizona Arizona State Utah Colorado Colorado State Kansas State Oklahoma State Texas Tech ...the original Pac-8 is one division and the "Western division" fits really well together. It's a step up for Kansas State to play in this division.
Kansas and Iowa State being AAU members and being ranked academically at least on par or higher than Nebraska leaves them in a solid position. People have to remember that the Big Ten isn't just an athletic conference, but an academic consortium.
So personally I just thought… this is GREAT! Texas has basically decided the fate of these Big 12 schools for over a decade now or more, and now that they are looking at leaving, the Big 12 could actually use that to its advantage to rebuild on their terms! There are several schools that have been looked at in the past for moving to the Big 12, this is the moment if there was one.
@@Jpgator1214 maybe true and sad as ESPN has killed interest by the PAC fans and now the 8 remaining BIGXII fans. The NFL makes it equal and competitive for all so this kind of crap doesn’t happen.
@@Jpgator1214 gotta point. But everyone else is going to have to make it work somehow. Life long cats and big 12 lover so it’s more along the lines of I don’t want to see it go
Too bad when the NCAA said yes to super conferences and allowed a extra game you were bound to have 4 power major conferences! Based on greed! The larger conferences will benefit those states with bigger populations like Ohio state who have no in state rival and are big enough recruiting population to stay in state! You need about 5 million people to reside in state especially since in state visits are allowed more! Thats a rule that needs to be changed! Make it for a 500 mile radius of campus football field! Reduce scholarships from 85 to 75 so Alabama, Ohio state and Clemson can no longer stockpile so many players! Lesser schools should boycott playing teams with unfair advantages including those teams that violate and play them! The lower birth rate in Kansas, Iowa and Nebraska has not kept up with the rest of the country either!
Big 10 asks Virginia and North Carolina to join then see if Notre Dame follows suit to add KU! Then chase after Mizzou and Kentucky! Sorry having two teams from same state does not increase tv revenue! Unless your California, Texas and Florida!
That's ridiculous theyed have to Cherry pick a bunch of other schools you can't have a league without USC, Ohio State, Michigan, Clemson, and some others wouldn't be exciting
If they create their own league, good luck trying to schedule a game with a NCAA school. And we’re talking about all sports besides football. Would also be boring. This isn’t a smart move
You are correct, SEC fan here, I think when the Consolidation down to about 60 schools, it will happen. Since SCOTUS 9-0 decision on NIL (All Liberal and Conservative Justices), the NCAA is effectively done. You add Transfer Portal and expanded 12 team playoffs. When the Ed O'Bannon NIL case was first heard, and it got thrown out, most of the P5 large schools (all SEC, Big10 for sure) wanted to pay the $5K NIL. But in the NCAA with 300 school that vote for Say Basketball and the 130 or so (P5/G5) for football, the smaller school out voted the SEC, Big10, the Clemsons, USC, UCLA, Texas, OU, etc. So the P5 schools are going to pull away for Football and self govern the Super Conferences so whatever NIL their players can make, rules for transfers and numbers of coaches on football staffs are going to controlled by the big football schools. I think Basketball, College Baseball and the Olympic sports will still be run by the NCAA unless the smaller schools start trying to impose rules on NIL for example for Kentucky's Basketball players, or North Carolina's Basketball, etc.
as a person from iowa who watches a lot of big ten football i would like Kstate and iowa state to join be competitive and win games and not have another walk over team like kansas to join
3rd highest revenue producing athletic department in the Big 12 WITH a terrible football program. We begin to look a lot more promising if our football becomes even average in the Big Ten.
the big 10 would only take kansas as a last resort. they come with a lot of les miles and bill self sized baggage. if the big 10 expands, they'll want to do it with schools that expand the footprint and the brand. i think the big 10 will go hard after notre dame and oklahoma. if they fail to get them, they'll go after some combination of mizzou, va tech, uva, unc and ga tech.
You should make a Texas video and while the frustrations will be released they have won one and played for a national championship in the last 15 years. Didn’t they beat Georgia a few years ago as the runner up in the SEC. Nothing wrong with MWC at all or adding to the Big 12 with Houston and SMU.
Houston yes, smu no. They already have the Dallas market so smu doesn’t make sense. IF the big 12 stay together bring in: Houston, BYU, Cincinnati, and Memphis (or Boise St). Good basketball, decent football and you will have neutered your competition (AAC and MWC).
If Kansas ends up in the Big Ten I swear to God I’ll lose my mind that’s all the Big Ten needs is another shit ball team but that’s exactly what they’ll do
The Big10 can pick up a LOT of football programs that bring in those huge 40,000 fans who won't travel 30 miles (TCU vs SMU) and 100 (Baylor, TCU). Iowa State has that massive new stadium, and they've topped 55,000 attendance sometimes. Not by much - they really can't get much more than 58k. KState's great run of national championships will ensure their 40,000 seat stadiums will enjoy Penn State, Mich, etc. Okla State's the only school left with an 80k stadium.
@@Cbcw76 It’s not the size of the stadium or the fans that fill the stadiums is how good is the football program and how many eyes watch it around the nation. That’s what keeps big 12 leftovers out of the big 10
@@philstamper4542 I know TV dollars are far more important overall, but I'd argue that every Athletic Director values HIS home venue as a revenue source, and the big ones bring in more IF the teams are keeping fan interest high. Big IF, you and I know that. But seriously - the whole TV DOllar thing makes me argue against College Sports entirely - make everything Minor Leagues then, pay the athletes fairly. Maybe use college mascots - after all, will the twiddly-winks team EVER need a Ragin' Bear or Chargin' Longhorn?
@@Cbcw76 What the SEC did with this whole expansion situation, and what the Big Ten is going to have to do to counteract it will destroy College football it will never be the same. College football has always been regional and that’s what made it great in my opinion! Now that’s over!!!The Big Ten hast to try to keep up with the SEC and who knows what they’re going to do
Well I know this isn’t realistic but I guess you could say this would be my “ideal” opinion of what could happen with the conferences: If Texas and OU go to the SEC, then Notre Dame and West Virginia go to the ACC. Then Iowa State and Kansas join the B1G. Now this is where it get unrealistic but ideal to me: The Big 12 remains, or maybe the conference rebrands. The conference will be comprised of TCU, Baylor, OK State, Kansas State, Texas Tech, SMU, Houston, Tulane, Louisiana, Memphis, Tulsa, and Air Force. This is just for fun and again I don’t think this would ever happen, but feel free to ask why I chose some of those schools.
Uh no. Okie State isn't even an AAU school. Had NU lost their AAU status earlier, they would have NEVER been admitted to the B1G. NU Pres. Harvey Pearlman stated as much.
B1G is going to say We don't want a 15 team conference, we want a 16 team conference. Do you have a dance partner? And Kansas will say Have you looked at Iowa St? And the University of Iowa is going to say No way guys, this isn't happening. Let's go in a different direction, how about southeast, let's go right along the eastern seaboard and let's not expand in this direction.
@@mmmcounts I'm not a fan of Iowa state coming in the big ten. If we HAVE to take 2 big 12 schools, unfortunately I'd say Kansas for basketball, and Iowa st. I think Texas tech would be competitive but not sure about the academic aspect of it. If we can poach teams from different conferences, I'd say like Louisville, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, for tv reasons.
as a Husker fan, I always thought it would be smarter to dissolve the acc, and keep the big 12...to reach a 4 conference playoff geographically it's the only thing that makes sense
I'm a KU guy but I have no hate or ill will towards KSU. But if you think KU and KSU are in the same boat, you need to realize KU doesn't want to be tied to KSU if they have to move conferences. KSU wants it to be a package deal. And personally I wouldn't be thrilled to join the Big 10 or Pac 12.
No. KSU doesn't want to be tied together either (as was said in the video). By "in the same boat," he meant that they are really in the same place as far as looking for a new home. They have both good and bad to offer to conferences that really can afford to be patient because there just aren't any "must have before someone else gets them" schools.
I don’t believe either side is expecting or wanting a package deal - unless all 8 teams stick together. Right now the expectation would be K-State pushing the PAC and KU pushing the Big Ten, but I don’t consider either of those likely to happen. The Big Ten wants to go big and take a shot at USC/UCLA. They’re not interested in responding to Texas/OU with KU/ISU. That would be a bad look.
Love the K-state Only thing I disagree with is that the BIG10 is desperate. SEC can take over college football. They already have 8 of the top 15 programs in the country, Nothing says they are done expanding. A few more and its over.
It certainly doesn’t help. And with religious identification in the U.S. quickly dropping per numerous surveys, and the smaller enrollment of such schools, they are not an asset for any conference wanting to expand.
If the leftover teams try to leave individually, they’ll be subject to the same exit penalties as ou and tx.They gotta stick together, or dissolve the league
Reliable source about 10 years ago told me that Big Ten wants the top state school in each state. If they started over, they wouldn't invite Michigan State, Purdue, or N'Westrn. Knowing the league's desired profile and pattern to expand attached to their geographic footprint (see Nebraska, Rutgers (New Jersey), and Maryland since 2010). Signs seem to point to Kansas and West Virginia.
No way K-State gets into the B1G. They're not an AAU school. Kansas is. Iowa State is a AAU school but would bring nothing to the B1G. So if the B1G takes two Big 12 schools, it would most likely be Kansas and Iowa State. But a more attractive option would be for the B1G to poach Mizzou. Mizzou applied for membership in the B1G twice and was turned down. But with Mizzou you get St Louis and Kansas City. Mizzou would still say yes please if the B1G came calling for the research money alone. The B1G should also take a very hard pass at Notre Dame. A B1G with Mizzou and Notre Dame would still be a somewhat compact conference and a nice counterpoint to the SEC.
Mizzou didn't want a junior membership like Nebraska took for 7 years, we wanted to be full members wherever we went. I don't see Mizzou leaving the SEC ever. Big10 would have been a good match, but that ship sailed whenever Nebraska settled for a junior partnership and diminished our negotiation power to come in as a full member.
we should never have beaten the Salooners 2 years in a row or continually smacking the Horns. If they are going to be humiliated, they would rather have 5 different teams from the SEC do it. They can also brag about beating whatever iconic programs are down, Like LSU going from riches to rags. They will still be outsiders who only did it for the muunnayyyy.
In my opinion it would be best case scenario if we could bring in the best of the AAC and keep the big 12 alive. Be aggressive and bring in the up and coming programs. Maybe even bring in BYU. I am a big fan of the culture of the big12 and honestly I’m glad texas is leaving. They have been a whiny crybaby the whole time. That being said we better beat the brakes off both ou and texas this year.
Why all the hate for Texas? Texas held the Big 12 together 10 years ago. You have it all wrong. OU is rightly dissatisfied with the Big 12. OU hates the Fox deal and it irks them that all their games are played at 12 ET instead of prime time. Texas and OU are linked. They're our main rival and no one wants to give up the Texas-OU game. I've loved every Texas-KState game, but that game is second to Texas-OU.
@@charlesheath4225 that or those Fox sports executives who acted like their" crown jewel "Oklahoma sooners didn't exist..and Bowlsby..will be footnotes in the biggest restructuring in the history of college football..🤭
@@JohnKurtzShow I do not hate K State. I always knew we would unite to beat up a Jayhawk. 😃 Texas destroyed the SWC and now the Big 12. I miss the old rivalies.
KSU OSU Tech and another school needs to go to the PAC 12 the fan base is very similar to Washington and Organ plus Kansas State can rekindle it's rivalry with Colorado. KU should try going to the Big 10.
@@ChicagoBenAnderson yeah. The Big Ten does not accept non-AAU schools. However, the Pac-12 does. You only need to be a Tier-1 research school to be a candidate.
stop hating..KU will probably end up in the BIG...no other power conference is gonna sit around and watch the SEC go to 16 teams and twiddle their thumbs....4 16 team leagues is gonna happen
So this guy confuses on field success with off field influence. Texas is the most valuable college football program. They will, in a few years, be the most powerful school in the sec.
Now this might seem crazy but what if there was a way we could persuade Clemson to leave the ACC for the Big 12 along with FSU or Miami to replace UT and Oklahoma in terms of financial support. Then we could try to persuade to bring in some more schools that we’ve mentioned for years like UCF, Houston, or SMU? Edit: As a Baylor fan I hope you rant those sorry Longhorns into the ground
You maybe could have brought in major P5 brands from the ACC or PAC if OU and TX are in the BIGXII but not without. IMO the best moves would be for the 8 teams to stay together and try to get NU and BYU to join then some other dominos might fall. The TV money would drop but might be on par with the PAC.
I am a Texas alum who always enjoyed traveling to my home state of Kansas for football games, although often disappointed at the results when the Purple Wizard was still coach at K State! In my perfect world, we would still be in the original Big12. But I have to say, it sure gets old listening to fans of other teams constantly disparage Texas while at the same time whining when it becomes apparent Texas doesn't want to carry them any more. Baylor, TCU, Tech, and yes, K State are all completely without any true national appeal. If anything, Texas (and OU) gave the 8 remaining schools 10 years of national relevance and monetary gain that they couldn't possibly have expected on their own. Stewart Mandel wrote an article on this very subject. When all these teams fail to land a spot in ANY other major conference, I hope they will realize that has zero to do with Texas. They may be fine schools, with pride and tradition etc, they just don't move the needle of interest nationally.
Texas has a name and money, but athletics are no better than Baylor, TCU, Texas Tech, etc... Texas hasn't been relevant since Mack Brown left even with the top recruiting classes.
relax Big Ten is not taking either Iowa St or Kansas they are going to push for ND and talk is they may make a play for A&M since they are angry about Texas being added. With all that said all 8 schools that are left will find somewhere to go I will say if the Big Ten gets ND then I think they would be more open to taking ISU.
100% agree! The Big Ten has deep pockets and can spend the money to get Notre Dame an agreeable deal. They know they need to stay competitive with the SEC and will not take any schools that won’t make a significant impact.
AAU problem with B10 . Pac12 you must have a billion dollar research facility “ basically “ Cali schools don’t want to mess with The anti CRT . Bathroom homophobic voter suppression Texas schools. Much like Georgia & all star games , therz always political & social debts to be paid when you criticize the other half of America
I love K-State, so I hope that they find a good home. The Wildcats were always my favorite team from the old Big 12 North.
Thank you for that!
They will go with Oklahoma State to PAC. Iowa State and KU will most likely go to B1G. Texas Tech and West Virginia most likely to ACC.
NO worries ! K-STATE going to The BIG10 or The PAC12. Either way, it's a Huge win-win for The KATS. They will make 3X in yearly Revenue in Better more established Conferences.
@@retireorbust OSU, TTU, TCU, BAY are PAC16
Nebraska saw this coming and no school stood with them when it would have made a difference. ALL because Texas wouldn't sign over the TV rights. There could have been a Big 12 Network and all made money.
Apparently Colorado did.
Exactly what I was going to write! That's what you get when you appease the dictator (Texas). Now they are leaving you in the dust. Serves you right for leaving Nebraska on the ledge with conference votes. I call it justice. I'm sorry, but KSU will be left holding the bag.
@@bartscanland9415 No, they always voted with Texas on TV money and locating the championship game.
I wanted Nebraska to go back to big 12. Not anymore. Bowlsby sucks and the big 12 blew it
texas and oklahoma have basically sold their cachet.
funny how they waited for saban to get along in his coaching years before they made the move. 🤔
hope OK enjoyed those cfp appearances…
A&M, MIssouri, Nebraska, and Colorado left because of Texas inflated ego. OU and Texas Tech didn't have the courage to stand up to them either. When Texas realized A&M and Missouri were winning in money and recruits, they changed their tune on the SEC and actively worked with OU to undermine the conference.
OU didn’t have to “stand up to them” they were competing for championships, winning the recruiting battle, and the powerhouse of the conference. All 4 teams that left were perpetual losers, so they took their ball and went to another playground.
No it was all about Texas not signing over TV rights to the conference.
Oklahoma is not as devious as Texas. This is all started by Texas at the expense of the Big 12. The SEC would not take only Texas. They had to get Oklahoma to conspire with them. Even if it meant back stabbing Oklahoma State.
Correct. Texas has been and is now the reason for all this.
OU did not have the TV market size either. Whether they like it or not, they are tied to Texas.
John please continue to point out the value of KSTATE per USA Today, our attendance numbers at bowls and home since the formation of the BIGXII. Our inclusion in a 12 team CFP over the last decade, etc. We have good value.
I will bet K-State end up in the Big 10
Best overall analysis that I have heard so far; thank you! I am very concerned about K-State and hope and pray that the school's leadership is doing everything that it can to position it in the best possible situation. As a Texas Tech grad also, I have the same hopes and prayers for the Red Raiders. Props to Mizzou for recognizing the terrible dysfunctionality of the Big 12 almost ten years ago.
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Everyone recognized it, it's just that CU, aTm, NU, and Mizzou were the only ones with the guts to actually do something about it.
Man I’m rooting for y’all! K-State deserves a to be in a power conference. Too bad Texas and OU got greedy but that’s life.
I'm an ou fan but I would hate to see the rest of the big 12/8 teams to crumble hopefully your Baylor bears can get to the pac 12
I wish the best for the 8 teams left but you guys have made lots of money riding the coattails of OU and UT. Time to get off the tit.
If OU and Texas are “greedy” for trying to reap the revenue that they generate as brands, then what are Baylor and smaller Big 12 programs for wanting to keep OU and Texas in the Big 12 because their affiliation generates more revenue for the smaller brands?
@@thedebatehitman maybe they should’ve just been scrimmaging against themselves all these years and no one else. How’s that, jerk? I mean, such a great brand and all, the entire country would just tune in to see them play each other 9 times a year - don’t need anyone else.
@@ntnsty
Man, you really missed the point that I made.
For the sake of argument, let’s assume that an entity is “greedy” for undertaking one or more particular actions with the intent to maximize it’s revenue and brand.
Great! So with that behind us, we can now assess that OU “greedy” while acknowledging that such is “life.”
But here’s the thing. Baylor will likely do anything that it legally can to keep OU and Texas in the Big 12 because doing so maximizes the program’s revenue and brand as a Power 5 conference member. And if OU and Texas do leave despite Baylor’s efforts, the Bears will undoubtedly try to land in another Power 5 conference in an effort to maintain its revenue and brand as a Power 5 member. So we have a situation in which Baylor will undertake whatever actions it can to maximize its revenue and brand potential. What does that make Baylor?
You see, I’m willing to concede that OU and Texas are “greedy” so long as others are willing to acknowledge the same for all other programs.
When Mizzou and the Aggies drew a line in the sand over the shorthorn network, the purple kitties offered to give Texas an even greater share of their meager allowance. Ku, ksu, Cy and Okie light deserve their fate. You should have stood with Mizzou.
I would like to point out KU is an AAU school, ISU is as well. I believe the 2 of those together would make a lot of since for the Big 10. I think TTU, OSU, KSU, and Boise join the Pac 12 with ND and WVU going to the ACC. Maybe TCU BAYLOR and BYU can base some conference that basically blends the MWC former Big 12 and best of AAC.
I think PAC12 has 9 out of 12 teams are AAU and none of there schools are Just Land Grant schools. I don't know how KSU, Texas Tech or classified and In the past the PAC12 has not wanted Religiously affiliated Schools.
I've seen this AAU school thrown around, what is that, and if it's so good, why isn't K-State part of it?
@@DayneTB like academics and stuff
@@DayneTB AAU is a research designation of 64 schools, 2 of them are in Canada, that have significant research in Medicine, Bio_Tech and other Science areas like Physics, etc.
All the Big 10 are in it, I think all the PAC12, except Washington State, Arizona State and Oregon State are in it. Schools like Columbia, NYU, Dartmouth, Washington U in Saint Louis, PENN, are in it.
So just being a Carnegie 1 Research School, of which there are about 130 in the USA does not get you in the AAU research designation.
@@palermotrapani9067 wow, thank you for the excellent explanation. very much appreciated. if this was reddit, i'd give you an award. :)
As a future student of kansas state (next fall) and with an mom that is an alumni. We watch kansas state religiously together ever since 2012 I remember exactly when I became a kansas state fan was the game against Oklahoma that year and their QB fumbled and kansas state recovered it for a TD I just remembered the excitement in the room with my mom jumping up and down yelling and ever since then I was hooked then I remember the next week we embarrassed West Virginia and were rolling from their and that was the birth of my love for kansas state
Now isn't the time to be making fun of WVU. Now that UT and OU are out WVU is the only thing keeping the Big 12 together. If they leave, (which they should) KSU is at the very bottom of the list for interest from other conferences.
@@1988stefanh bruh I wasn’t hating on them I was just saying how I feel in love with kansas state football and football in general because I’m pretty worried about the future of kansas state
Fan since 1969, Lynn Dickey was my hero. 1984 grad. Very sad at all this greed. UT isn't that great, and we've beaten OU several times in last 5 years.
I'd love to see the Big 12 (Big 8 soon) stick together and try and lure back Nebraska and bring in BYU, Cincy and possibly Memphis or Boise State. Know it sounds impossible, but I have to believe BIG 12 FOREVER!
Being a Texas fan I hope the big 12 stays together as well I truly do hope for the best for the big 12 and the teams in it.
@@ryantaylor3828 Thanks for that. As a grad from K State, these seem like troubled times for my beloved Power Cats. Best of luck in the SEC. Kick some butt.
Being a big ten fan, you can have Nebraska back. I never understood that one. That have literally been not that competitive since joining. Same with Maryland and Rutgers.
@@jcelldogs why the heck did y’all accept Maryland and Rutgers??? I still don’t understand that. :-(
@@sammyvillena9777
It all came down to TV markets.
Even as a KU fan I applaud your analysis and share your historic disdain for the longhorns
If the Pac 12, SEC, and ACC all go to 16 teams the Big 10 will, too.
And if the Pac-12 and ACC go to 16 without getting ND, the Big 10 gets ND and wins the ratings battle.
@@neadbrd if the PAC expanded it would probably only take, OK st, Texas tech.
@jack harrington ND will never give up as an independent as long as NBC has that TV contract.
I subscribed just for the Texas rant.
Bwahaha
John I’m scared 😰 will K-State football ever be the same?
Unfortunately, there are no guarantees right now. Wish I could say differently.
@@JohnKurtzShow please make that UT video LOL! I feel like that would be very cathartic for the overall K-State fan base right now…
I know you guys love your football but KSU will be fine. What's the worst case? The Mountain West Conference? If they add KSU, TTech, OSU, TCU and Baylor the MWC would be a solid conference. Or those 5 could form their own conference and add Boise State, Cincinatti, UCF, BYU, Memphis, Houston, Wyoming and maybe a KU or Iowa State will still be available. That would easily be the 5th best conference.
@@nhardman I honestly think that as well. Any conference could add these guys and be solid. Not as strong as the SEC, but yet solid. It’s that simple I just hope the folks and the powers that be realize that instead of splitting them up. That being said Go Dawgs.
@@nhardman Would not be a Power conference. As such, it would be a big step down, and make recruiting even harder.
As a Michigan fan. We would love u guys. We gotta give Nebraska some rivals
Step one, fight the exit and don't let it happen quickly. Step two, add Cincinnatti and Memphis as new members and as travel partners for West Virginia. Step three, reach out to BYU and form a Notre Dame style partnership- BYU football stays independent but BYU puts 5 or 6 Big 12 schools on their schedule every year. This is good for everyone. Step four, add UCF and USF as members 11 and 12. Bring back divisions and make it East and West.
Step five, if we get this far and if the Big 12 wants to reach 16- see if you can add Boise St, UNLV, Fresno St, and San Diego St out west. Maybe some other package to the west, but definitely add 2 schools from California.
Medium term best case- the Big 12 survives and is anchored by teams in Texas and Florida while having a member school in Ohio, and WVU is no longer on an island. Long term dream scenario- Big 12 exists and is anchored by multiple teams in Cali, Texas, and Florida while also having one in Ohio.
You cannot possibly have member schools in All of the best recruitment grounds and not succeed in any of them. Just put it together.
fight the exit lmao
Why would they let BYU keep football independent? The football team main attraction the conference would want.
@@nhardman Couple of reasons. One- everyone can manage the travel a bit better if there's a smaller number of not-really-conference games. Two, there isn't a great travel partner that could come right along with BYU. Three, BYU wants to be independent and the Big 12 doesn't really need them as a full member in football. The Big 12 doesn't really need them in Olympic sports either, to be honest.
Arkansas, Missouri, A&M and one more could kill this and I hope they do
Hate to burst your bubble, it's a done deal.
A&M should make promises to South Carolina to shoot down any attempt by SEC to add Clemson
@@nathanbuuck7694 why would they? They play them every year.
KU fan but like what you have to say. Good insight
I’m a MIZZOU fan that actually has a soft spot for K-State. KU on the other hand can burn for all I care.
Rent free
So much love from a dumb Mizzou fan! Intense rivalry we had. I want to school in kansas for the academics and I partied at Mizzou
Everytime I drive home to Topeka from Ohio on I-70, I think how little Mizzou has in common with FLA and GA. They should be playing KSU/KU/ISU/NU!
@@thedoo777 KansASS is open admission.
@@thedoo777 BTW K-State is Mizzou's rival. KU is the enemy.
Kurtz... That's definitely a Kansas State sounding name.
At this point… yes.
The AAC is on the way up. It’s something you should seek out in my opinion.
Heard WV has talked to ACC about moving
not sure why they don’t it makes more sense geographically if the big 12 can pick up another team
ACC don't want WV. Declining state population. Highest unemployment rate in the US. Drug capitol of the US. Highest poverty rate in the US. Hell no to WV
@@champphifer2197 sounds like your talking about California..
I’m not an alum, as I didn’t finish my degree at KSU…but I’ve been a Wildcat for 30 years. I also realized years ago that you really can do without many things, like worrying about sports teams. I quit following any professional sports leagues…occasionally I look at “my” teams place in the standings, but I haven’t watched a pro game since around the time the Royals won the WS. Guess I can add college sports to the list now, since it’s mired in scandal and realignment and money. Good luck KSU, hope it works out well for you.
Good points.
Hey John. Didn't know you were a KMAN man. I worked there back in late 90s with Dave Lewis.
That’s awesome! I’m sure you have some great stories from those days.
So happy our administration had the foresight to see this coming... Never had any ill-will towards K-state. Hope you guys land on your feet in a good conference. I think Pac-12 would be best for you and okie state.
They chose Texas when Mizzou stood up to the bully. f them
As someone who lives in the South East, I am concerned about all this conf. Realignment..... but!! Now we understand more of why a former Assistant Coach turned down several Head jobs at great Universities, and took the HCJ they did. We heard whispers , during Championship Conf. Games, and NC playoffs... I don't know where this will end up Conferences by 2025, but is a cautionary tale of the state of NCAA shakeup. Another thing I find illogical, is after all these years of horn blistering language against the South Eastern Conference, now they wanna join??????? As for Oklahoma, good folk, they love their University..... Reckon they looked at Missouri and T AM and thought why NOT? Again just rumors way back in December..... but we are now seeing more truth unfolding from those bleacher and locker room rumors....
Hope your team has a grand 2021 season.....
Usc Norte dame Michigan and UT are the 35 year old still hanging at the local bar bragging about his high school stats...its sad
Notre Dame has been in the CFP twice in the last 3 years. Same as Ohio St and Oklahoma. What in the world are you talking about?
It’s not about stats. Those schools move the needle. =$$$
@@nathanbuuck7694 i dont remember saying ohio state or Oklahoma..yea ND did great in the college playoff..what r u talking about
@@JWillwithreason fair enough..but the fans live off the past at the very least..
Big 10 has to chop Rutgers and probably Maryland while expanding to 16 teams with Iowa St, Kansas, Kansas St, and Oklahoma St or maybe Cinci. Makes more sense geographically and competitively.
Again, the Big Ten DOES NOT ACCEPT NON-AAU members
Mizzou yes,No KState
@@matthewcastleton2263 Not now.
If the sec adds Texas and Oklahoma, the big10 needs to do something, if they stand still they risk becoming the permanent second best conference.
Don't agree. They don't have to do anything. It's ultimately business sense for them. Which is better to add two west coast teams or two Midwest teams. I think at some point regionalism has to take precedent. Ku and ISU makes most sense.
Adding ANY team from the B12 would not help the B10. Notre Dame is the only one they want.
I very much like K-State as I have family that graduated there. K-State will have to go to a group of 5 conference. The Big12 is done. TTU/oSu/ to the pac10, ISU/KU to the Big10, WVU to the ACC. Everyone else on their own. NO WAY the Pac would put up with Baylor in their conference. By the way, I am an OU fan. I'm not laughing at ANYONE (other than may aTm). If I had my way, the old Big 12 or EVEN the OLD Big 8, would be GREAT by me. But time flows forward, not backward.
What will Texas name the new SEC? I hope Texas allows A&M to remain in the conference.
Get ready for the new Division 2! All those not invited to the new Confederation of Major League Football Powers as defined by ESPN/ TV.
NCAA is history!
Nice Job, Very good segment! Go Gophers!
I posted on my Facebook that all the big 12 teams should forfeit games against Texas and Oklahoma the rest of the year. This would make it so those teams can't profit from their sports at all. Then once they make the move the rest of the power conferences should avoid playing the SEC teams and make their own bowl games and championship games.
Every team are starting to call acc big ten and Pac 12 to get into another conference
I don't see the Mountain West as an option for K-State. If the cookie crumbles to G5 level, I see us going to the AAC.
I just watched a Baylor video podcast and it was sad to watch and listen knowing that if the Pac 12 doesn't throw them a lifeline its a non power 5 league for them for various reasons. Hope KSU has a better chance at joining tha PAC 12 or BIG 10. Texas Tech and Oklohoma State are probably a lock to the PAC 12.
I don't get the people who have Baylor and TCU in over K-State in a PAC 16 scenario. K-State is a public secular school that meets the academic requirements of the Pac and has the largest enrollment of the three, plus has tons or alumni in Dallas.
@@janinebrittanica4314 I have actually not heard many say Baylor or TCU have an easier path to an expansion to the PAC 12 than K state or Oklahoma state. I have mostly seen people saying its most likely those schools will no longer be in a power 5 conference when this is over just based on their academic standards and religious affiliations. The only reason I have heard regarding K state that would prevent them from joining the PAC 12 is logistics ( Time Zone and long travel for teams).
@@dansal4726 lots of talking heads positing scenarios of a pac 14 or 16 and many have TCU and/or Baylor along with Tech and OSU and no mention of KSU. There seems to be this idea that Baylor and TCU have more than KSU.
College Football has turned into a semi professional sport. ESPN is paying big money for Texas & Oklahoma to be in the SEC. They both have a lot of money & big fan bases. With the talk of expanding the playoffs, both these teams will have a greater chance of making the playoffs. This move is going to force the other big conferences to grow. It is all about money!
Actually Texas and Oklahoma reduced their chances of being in the playoffs. The competition in the SEC will reduce their probability of wins. Hell, Texas could not even managed well in the Big 12 since Mack Brown left.
As a Nebraska fan, all I can say is we tried to warn you. And nobody say, "We knew. There was just nothing we could do about it!" There are more than enough 11-1 votes in Big 12 history to prove that theory wrong.
Hope you guys find a good landing spot though. Obviously we're all fans and have no control over our program's administrations.
Yeah, that's the thing. I think K-State knew exactly what they were dealing with in Texas ten years ago but there weren't any other options than to stay tethered together with UT, unfortunately.
Remember all the abuse NU and MU took when they left 10 years ago from their Big 12 "brethren"? Got called every name in the book. Now those same people are "lifting their skirts" to any conference that will have them. Now Mizzou and NU are sitting back, pointing and laughing.
Just bring that Texas rant. Can predict it all but will welcome the confirmation once again. They’re a cancer to any conference. SEC don’t think you’re above them messing with you too.
A Pac(ific) 20 Conference featuring a school whose state's easternmost border is less than 100 miles from the Atlantic Ocean?
Might as well.
What? 100 miles? Look at a map, dude. Both Maryland and New Jersey (Rutgers) are on East Coast.
@@retireorbust - Maryland and Rutgers aren't in a conference with the word "Pacific" in the title.
@@christopherwebb3517 yes, yes. Get that. But where are you seeing PAC expanding east? I'm seeing pac teams joining B1G. WVU will not be joining pac. They'd never be invited.
I hope Texas gets put in the SEC West and 6-6 will be a great year for them
Texas will choose money over victories.
Here's a real question I have, When OU and UT do leave that leaves KU, ISU, WVU, TCU, TTU, KSU, OSU, and Baylor. With Nebraska in the big 10 could we get some flex on getting in with KU, we are competitive in every major sport through the last 10 years, I feel a cupcake conference forming and whoever the pac 12 doesn't take you could see some distinguished D2 schools rise up and join whatever league will form with the rest of the big 12 and possibly Houston, maybe see NDSU actually move up to D1?
NDSU is already D-1, they're just in the FCS. Their best destination is either the MW or the MAC
Hope you guys go somewhere good
Kansas and Iowa State to the Big Ten.
Pac 16
*Pacific Division*
USC
UCLA
Stanford
California
Oregon
Oregon State
Washington
Washington State
*Western Division*
Arizona
Arizona State
Utah
Colorado
Colorado State
Kansas State
Oklahoma State
Texas Tech
...the original Pac-8 is one division and the "Western division" fits really well together. It's a step up for Kansas State to play in this division.
Kansas and Iowa State being AAU members and being ranked academically at least on par or higher than Nebraska leaves them in a solid position. People have to remember that the Big Ten isn't just an athletic conference, but an academic consortium.
Thank you for pointing out the ace remix consortium. Everyone is forgetting that. There are standards to get into the Big Ten, and there should be.
So personally I just thought… this is GREAT! Texas has basically decided the fate of these Big 12 schools for over a decade now or more, and now that they are looking at leaving, the Big 12 could actually use that to its advantage to rebuild on their terms! There are several schools that have been looked at in the past for moving to the Big 12, this is the moment if there was one.
Lol there won't be college football outside the SEC if Texas and OU join.
@@Jpgator1214 maybe true and sad as ESPN has killed interest by the PAC fans and now the 8 remaining BIGXII fans. The NFL makes it equal and competitive for all so this kind of crap doesn’t happen.
@@jeffwatson68 I agree, I dont want this, as a life long Gators fan. This is bad for college athletics as a whole.
@@Jpgator1214 gotta point. But everyone else is going to have to make it work somehow. Life long cats and big 12 lover so it’s more along the lines of I don’t want to see it go
West Virginia would be a hard sell to go left coast. They need ACC
Too bad when the NCAA said yes to super conferences and allowed a extra game you were bound to have 4 power major conferences! Based on greed! The larger conferences will benefit those states with bigger populations like Ohio state who have no in state rival and are big enough recruiting population to stay in state! You need about 5 million people to reside in state especially since in state visits are allowed more! Thats a rule that needs to be changed! Make it for a 500 mile radius of campus football field! Reduce scholarships from 85 to 75 so Alabama, Ohio state and Clemson can no longer stockpile so many players! Lesser schools should boycott playing teams with unfair advantages including those teams that violate and play them! The lower birth rate in Kansas, Iowa and Nebraska has not kept up with the rest of the country either!
Big 10 asks Virginia and North Carolina to join then see if Notre Dame follows suit to add KU! Then chase after Mizzou and Kentucky! Sorry having two teams from same state does not increase tv revenue! Unless your California, Texas and Florida!
I swear to god if we go to the AAC...
As for on the field product most people seem to think the AAC is superior to the PAC or ACC but yeah ... I understand
There is a God but West Virginia's only team from the Big 12 could go to the ACC
@@terrybrunk9190 the case for KU going to the ACC based on them being the elite basketball conference has merit.
the AAC is starting to look like it may have some promise if some big 12 schools want to rebuild that league
I heard K State is going to the Farm Conference.
It’s been said after Texas and OU join the SEC, the SEC will separate from the NCAA!!!
Why would they do that?
That's ridiculous theyed have to Cherry pick a bunch of other schools you can't have a league without USC, Ohio State, Michigan, Clemson, and some others wouldn't be exciting
If they create their own league, good luck trying to schedule a game with a NCAA school. And we’re talking about all sports besides football. Would also be boring. This isn’t a smart move
You are correct, SEC fan here, I think when the Consolidation down to about 60 schools, it will happen. Since SCOTUS 9-0 decision on NIL (All Liberal and Conservative Justices), the NCAA is effectively done. You add Transfer Portal and expanded 12 team playoffs. When the Ed O'Bannon NIL case was first heard, and it got thrown out, most of the P5 large schools (all SEC, Big10 for sure) wanted to pay the $5K NIL. But in the NCAA with 300 school that vote for Say Basketball and the 130 or so (P5/G5) for football, the smaller school out voted the SEC, Big10, the Clemsons, USC, UCLA, Texas, OU, etc.
So the P5 schools are going to pull away for Football and self govern the Super Conferences so whatever NIL their players can make, rules for transfers and numbers of coaches on football staffs are going to controlled by the big football schools. I think Basketball, College Baseball and the Olympic sports will still be run by the NCAA unless the smaller schools start trying to impose rules on NIL for example for Kentucky's Basketball players, or North Carolina's Basketball, etc.
@@randomguy5284 Just football will be self-governed from what SEC media I have read have reported.
as a person from iowa who watches a lot of big ten football i would like Kstate and iowa state to join be competitive and win games and not have another walk over team like kansas to join
Kansas will join cause of basketball purposes
Kstate and Iowa State are trash teams
3rd highest revenue producing athletic department in the Big 12 WITH a terrible football program. We begin to look a lot more promising if our football becomes even average in the Big Ten.
the big 10 would only take kansas as a last resort. they come with a lot of les miles and bill self sized baggage. if the big 10 expands, they'll want to do it with schools that expand the footprint and the brand. i think the big 10 will go hard after notre dame and oklahoma. if they fail to get them, they'll go after some combination of mizzou, va tech, uva, unc and ga tech.
No school in their right mind would choose the Big 10 over the SEC, except MAYBE Vanderbilt.
@@nhardman why?
WVU is coming to the ACC
Yep we're coming to The ACC
This is a forgone conclusion. Will happen by next week.
Yessir
Does the ACC want West Virginia I'm pretty sure WVU contacted the acc in the past to be shut down
@@SNERFAN that's incorrect. The big 12 just offered more money.
FSU and CLEMSON could be coming to the SEC as well?
You should make a Texas video and while the frustrations will be released they have won one and played for a national championship in the last 15 years. Didn’t they beat Georgia a few years ago as the runner up in the SEC. Nothing wrong with MWC at all or adding to the Big 12 with Houston and SMU.
Houston yes, smu no. They already have the Dallas market so smu doesn’t make sense. IF the big 12 stay together bring in: Houston, BYU, Cincinnati, and Memphis (or Boise St). Good basketball, decent football and you will have neutered your competition (AAC and MWC).
Hopefully PAC 16, MWC would be a terrible second option
Best option MW
@@terrybrunk9190 thats about 30 mil revenue drop per yr, good bye klieman, facilities, and recruits
@@rumesh_lance Exactly.
AAC is best option for KSU
@@smithyman33 It’s not a Power conference. Would be a real drop for the program’s future.
If Kansas ends up in the Big Ten I swear to God I’ll lose my mind that’s all the Big Ten needs is another shit ball team but that’s exactly what they’ll do
They'll add them because of round ball.
The Big10 can pick up a LOT of football programs that bring in those huge 40,000 fans who won't travel 30 miles (TCU vs SMU) and 100 (Baylor, TCU). Iowa State has that massive new stadium, and they've topped 55,000 attendance sometimes. Not by much - they really can't get much more than 58k. KState's great run of national championships will ensure their 40,000 seat stadiums will enjoy Penn State, Mich, etc. Okla State's the only school left with an 80k stadium.
@@Cbcw76 It’s not the size of the stadium or the fans that fill the stadiums is how good is the football program and how many eyes watch it around the nation. That’s what keeps big 12 leftovers out of the big 10
@@philstamper4542 I know TV dollars are far more important overall, but I'd argue that every Athletic Director values HIS home venue as a revenue source, and the big ones bring in more IF the teams are keeping fan interest high. Big IF, you and I know that. But seriously - the whole TV DOllar thing makes me argue against College Sports entirely - make everything Minor Leagues then, pay the athletes fairly. Maybe use college mascots - after all, will the twiddly-winks team EVER need a Ragin' Bear or Chargin' Longhorn?
@@Cbcw76 What the SEC did with this whole expansion situation, and what the Big Ten is going to have to do to counteract it will destroy College football it will never be the same. College football has always been regional and that’s what made it great in my opinion! Now that’s over!!!The Big Ten hast to try to keep up with the SEC and who knows what they’re going to do
Well I know this isn’t realistic but I guess you could say this would be my “ideal” opinion of what could happen with the conferences:
If Texas and OU go to the SEC, then Notre Dame and West Virginia go to the ACC. Then Iowa State and Kansas join the B1G.
Now this is where it get unrealistic but ideal to me: The Big 12 remains, or maybe the conference rebrands. The conference will be comprised of TCU, Baylor, OK State, Kansas State, Texas Tech, SMU, Houston, Tulane, Louisiana, Memphis, Tulsa, and Air Force.
This is just for fun and again I don’t think this would ever happen, but feel free to ask why I chose some of those schools.
Not going to happen.
Good discussion. Nice video.
B1G would love to add Kansas and Oklahoma St to become the B16
Uh no. Okie State isn't even an AAU school. Had NU lost their AAU status earlier, they would have NEVER been admitted to the B1G. NU Pres. Harvey Pearlman stated as much.
The B1G isn’t going to invite KU before Norte Dame says no four times. And they’re not adding Oklahoma State Period.
The guy that broke the story said it wasn't TAMU that released the story. I would look into your 'facts' harder.
KU has reached out to B1G already
B1G is going to say We don't want a 15 team conference, we want a 16 team conference. Do you have a dance partner? And Kansas will say Have you looked at Iowa St? And the University of Iowa is going to say No way guys, this isn't happening. Let's go in a different direction, how about southeast, let's go right along the eastern seaboard and let's not expand in this direction.
@@mmmcounts Iowa has as much or less power than Texas A&M towards the SEC, If the B1G finds the addition of Iowa State valuable then they’ll do it.
@@mmmcounts I'm not a fan of Iowa state coming in the big ten. If we HAVE to take 2 big 12 schools, unfortunately I'd say Kansas for basketball, and Iowa st. I think Texas tech would be competitive but not sure about the academic aspect of it. If we can poach teams from different conferences, I'd say like Louisville, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, for tv reasons.
@@jcelldogs Didnt know they were still teaching academics I thought it was activism,
Also horns. DOWN. They are gonna be booed out of every stadium this season.
Waaaaaaaa
Texas will make way more more money in the SEC. Jumping to the SEC over the Dud 12 is a no brainer.
as a Husker fan, I always thought it would be smarter to dissolve the acc, and keep the big 12...to reach a 4 conference playoff
geographically it's the only thing that makes sense
UCF to the Atlantic Division and W.Virginia to the Coastal division in the ACC
Ironically, academics will be the reason neither are added to the ACC
I'm a KU guy but I have no hate or ill will towards KSU. But if you think KU and KSU are in the same boat, you need to realize KU doesn't want to be tied to KSU if they have to move conferences. KSU wants it to be a package deal. And personally I wouldn't be thrilled to join the Big 10 or Pac 12.
No. KSU doesn't want to be tied together either (as was said in the video). By "in the same boat," he meant that they are really in the same place as far as looking for a new home. They have both good and bad to offer to conferences that really can afford to be patient because there just aren't any "must have before someone else gets them" schools.
I don’t believe either side is expecting or wanting a package deal - unless all 8 teams stick together. Right now the expectation would be K-State pushing the PAC and KU pushing the Big Ten, but I don’t consider either of those likely to happen. The Big Ten wants to go big and take a shot at USC/UCLA. They’re not interested in responding to Texas/OU with KU/ISU. That would be a bad look.
@@JohnKurtzShow absolutely!
Love the K-state Only thing I disagree with is that the BIG10 is desperate. SEC can take over college football. They already have 8 of the top 15 programs in the country, Nothing says they are done expanding. A few more and its over.
The religious aspect of the conference is what has hurt it and now will be it's downfall
Yep just like the old swc
It certainly doesn’t help. And with religious identification in the U.S. quickly dropping per numerous surveys, and the smaller enrollment of such schools, they are not an asset for any conference wanting to expand.
@@larryparis925 Notre Dame is a religious school. It's about money period.
Mark Oneill - KState Alum here - Why do you hate us ?
If the leftover teams try to leave individually, they’ll be subject to the same exit penalties as ou and tx.They gotta stick together, or dissolve the league
Reliable source about 10 years ago told me that Big Ten wants the top state school in each state. If they started over, they wouldn't invite Michigan State, Purdue, or N'Westrn. Knowing the league's desired profile and pattern to expand attached to their geographic footprint (see Nebraska, Rutgers (New Jersey), and Maryland since 2010). Signs seem to point to Kansas and West Virginia.
Personally I’d like to take Kansas, ISU, KSU, OSU and toss Rutgers / Maryland
Rutgers and maryland are both getting top 20 recruiting classes in the upcoming years. Both of them are in huge markets and both are on the rise.
No way K-State gets into the B1G. They're not an AAU school. Kansas is. Iowa State is a AAU school but would bring nothing to the B1G. So if the B1G takes two Big 12 schools, it would most likely be Kansas and Iowa State. But a more attractive option would be for the B1G to poach Mizzou. Mizzou applied for membership in the B1G twice and was turned down. But with Mizzou you get St Louis and Kansas City. Mizzou would still say yes please if the B1G came calling for the research money alone. The B1G should also take a very hard pass at Notre Dame. A B1G with Mizzou and Notre Dame would still be a somewhat compact conference and a nice counterpoint to the SEC.
Mizzou didn't want a junior membership like Nebraska took for 7 years, we wanted to be full members wherever we went. I don't see Mizzou leaving the SEC ever. Big10 would have been a good match, but that ship sailed whenever Nebraska settled for a junior partnership and diminished our negotiation power to come in as a full member.
we should never have beaten the Salooners 2 years in a row or continually smacking the Horns. If they are going to be humiliated, they would rather have 5 different teams from the SEC do it. They can also brag about beating whatever iconic programs are down, Like LSU going from riches to rags. They will still be outsiders who only did it for the muunnayyyy.
In my opinion it would be best case scenario if we could bring in the best of the AAC and keep the big 12 alive. Be aggressive and bring in the up and coming programs. Maybe even bring in BYU. I am a big fan of the culture of the big12 and honestly I’m glad texas is leaving. They have been a whiny crybaby the whole time. That being said we better beat the brakes off both ou and texas this year.
EXACTLY. SCREW TEXAS.
Why all the hate for Texas? Texas held the Big 12 together 10 years ago. You have it all wrong. OU is rightly dissatisfied with the Big 12. OU hates the Fox deal and it irks them that all their games are played at 12 ET instead of prime time. Texas and OU are linked. They're our main rival and no one wants to give up the Texas-OU game. I've loved every Texas-KState game, but that game is second to Texas-OU.
@@riveroaksartssociety Texas is a shell of its former self.
Where's bowlsby?
Curled up in a fetal position, sucking his thumb in the corner of his closet
He’s got his head up his ass.
@@charlesheath4225 that or those Fox sports executives who acted like their" crown jewel "Oklahoma sooners didn't exist..and Bowlsby..will be footnotes in the biggest restructuring in the history of college football..🤭
So, does this mean you now understand why Mizzou left?
I've never been a Mizzou hater. If K-State had SEC or Big Ten options ten years ago, they would have tried to leave too.
@@JohnKurtzShow I do not hate K State. I always knew we would unite to beat up a Jayhawk. 😃 Texas destroyed the SWC and now the Big 12. I miss the old rivalies.
Never should have expanded Big 8. There were great historical geographical rivalries. Thanks Texas.
Women marry men hoping they will change... men marry women hoping she will never change.
KSU OSU Tech and another school needs to go to the PAC 12 the fan base is very similar to Washington and Organ plus Kansas State can rekindle it's rivalry with Colorado. KU should try going to the Big 10.
Oklahoma state does not need to go to the worthless Pac-12. It's even worse than the Big 12.
Please bring on the Texas rant
This stuff is stupid man for real I think the BIG-12 needs to make phone Calls to other teams just too see!! A conference gone that quick!!
Kansas state will go to the big 10 or American if the big 12 disbands
K-State can’t go to the B1G, they don’t qualify academically so they won’t get an invite.
@@ChicagoBenAnderson yeah. The Big Ten does not accept non-AAU schools. However, the Pac-12 does. You only need to be a Tier-1 research school to be a candidate.
They should bring the top programs from the FCS in the big12 such as:Sam Houston,North Dakota,North Dakota state
stop hating..KU will probably end up in the BIG...no other power conference is gonna sit around and watch the SEC go to 16 teams and twiddle their thumbs....4 16 team leagues is gonna happen
@Chris Smith well KU is an AAU member..which the BIG LOVES to have
@Chris Smith The landscape has changed we dont know who is going to accept what schools. If they don't expand the SEC will control college sports.
So this guy confuses on field success with off field influence. Texas is the most valuable college football program. They will, in a few years, be the most powerful school in the sec.
Texas sucks an always will im an ou fan
LOL
@@jamesrogers9597 lol stop doing drugs my guy Bama sits on the Iron Throne
Obvious trolling is obvious
@@jamesrogers9597 OU follows Texas’s leadership and soon the SEC will too
Now this might seem crazy but what if there was a way we could persuade Clemson to leave the ACC for the Big 12 along with FSU or Miami to replace UT and Oklahoma in terms of financial support. Then we could try to persuade to bring in some more schools that we’ve mentioned for years like UCF, Houston, or SMU?
Edit: As a Baylor fan I hope you rant those sorry Longhorns into the ground
You maybe could have brought in major P5 brands from the ACC or PAC if OU and TX are in the BIGXII but not without. IMO the best moves would be for the 8 teams to stay together and try to get NU and BYU to join then some other dominos might fall. The TV money would drop but might be on par with the PAC.
I am a Texas alum who always enjoyed traveling to my home state of Kansas for football games, although often disappointed at the results when the Purple Wizard was still coach at K State! In my perfect world, we would still be in the original Big12. But I have to say, it sure gets old listening to fans of other teams constantly disparage Texas while at the same time whining when it becomes apparent Texas doesn't want to carry them any more. Baylor, TCU, Tech, and yes, K State are all completely without any true national appeal. If anything, Texas (and OU) gave the 8 remaining schools 10 years of national relevance and monetary gain that they couldn't possibly have expected on their own. Stewart Mandel wrote an article on this very subject. When all these teams fail to land a spot in ANY other major conference, I hope they will realize that has zero to do with Texas. They may be fine schools, with pride and tradition etc, they just don't move the needle of interest nationally.
Texas has a name and money, but athletics are no better than Baylor, TCU, Texas Tech, etc... Texas hasn't been relevant since Mack Brown left even with the top recruiting classes.
Nice vid
Iowa State n K-State should just join BIGTEN now
Stop talking future wins. Talk revenues. Who brings in most in their largest football stadiums?
relax Big Ten is not taking either Iowa St or Kansas they are going to push for ND and talk is they may make a play for A&M since they are angry about Texas being added. With all that said all 8 schools that are left will find somewhere to go I will say if the Big Ten gets ND then I think they would be more open to taking ISU.
100% agree! The Big Ten has deep pockets and can spend the money to get Notre Dame an agreeable deal. They know they need to stay competitive with the SEC and will not take any schools that won’t make a significant impact.
BIG10 needs to grab West Virginia and Iowa State ASAP.
Kansas and ISU to the big 10/14
That makes sense.
I think KSU is going to be left out.
K state has Snyder that cam3 from Iowa there is a strong bug ten tie
Snyder means less than nothing as it relates to conference realignment.
AAU problem with B10 . Pac12 you must have a billion dollar research facility “ basically “ Cali schools don’t want to mess with The anti CRT . Bathroom homophobic voter suppression Texas schools. Much like Georgia & all star games , therz always political & social debts to be paid when you criticize the other half of America