Tanjong Pagar car crash was a 'confluence of errors': ST's transport expert | THE BIG STORY
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- Senior transport correspondent Christopher Tan weighs in on how the Tanjong Pagar car crash should have happened. He shares more on how the car could have caught fire, and whether the road conditions could have contributed to the crash. Read the story: str.sg/JHke
UPDATE: Driver was above alcohol limit and speeding at 148kmh before Tanjong Pagar crash: Coroner's inquiry. str.sg/w66Y
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UPDATE: Driver was above alcohol limit and speeding at 148kmh before Tanjong Pagar crash: Coroner's inquiry. str.sg/w66Y
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it is already wrong to drive at high speed in a property dense estate, its a blessing that no pedestrians were on the street at the time. whatever it is, its a tragedy and hope its serves as a good lesson to all drivers who loves to speed and race, please think carefully because, not only you are responsible for the lives of your passengers, it include those innocent pedestrians too! Drive responsibily!
true. drinking & driving already is a rule. omg that kind of speed. taxi driving max almost 100km already so scary this one 200kmh some more 😱
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It happened at all SG roads it’s not the road problem A life for a life it’s not jus short jail or fine people can afford it
Speeding is never acceptable. Being careful on the roads is the way to go.
The inconvenient truth is this is probably not their first time speeding in the area, they were just lucky that nothing happened in previous rounds, until this time.
Till their luck run out unfortunately, to have met the Grim Reaper (to escort them to hELL (4377)!!
only in Sg will there be a national discussion of an accident from every angle possible.. At the end of the day, the driver is 100% to blame.
ST getting from bad to worse
slow news day. other than covid, nothing much happening
Would you rather live in South Africa? Where there are, on average, 57 murders a day? Or police uncovering an arms cache in a major capital city consisting of several automatic weapons that have probably been used in street violence to contribute to those murders? Or how about the rampant sexual assaults, currently averaging about 400, that happen in the country on a daily basis? Be thankful that in Singapore it is safe enough and stable enough that authorities can investigate incidents like this to make sure that idiots don't jump to stupid conclusions. Only someone who doesn't know or hasn't experience true hardship would complain about authorities carrying out a thorough investigation on the DEATHS OF FIVE PEOPLE. What would you like the authorities to tell their families? "They died. We don't know exactly why and never will investigate it." How about you volunteer to take that job?
@@jethrowegener I don’t think it’s meant in a negative light like what you’re implying...
Lol talk for 7 minute but in the end it still boiled down to driver's reckless behaviour. Must be a slow day at the news center 😆
Close to 200km/h? At that point you are begging the reaper to take you in man.
To cut the story short, just summarized it in one sentence - S'pore has one major defect, too many killer drivers like these on the road.
Whatever measures are put in place, you cannot stop a speeding demon when he decides to risk it all for a few minutes of thrill
May be a few strokes of the rattan whipping will deter those crazy would be racers? Plus 3 months in jail?
Singapore should stop future formula one night street car racing. It's not worth it! It's sending a wrong message to the young guys!
Why are we still discussing this?
Speeding video has shown everything. They were responsible for their action, nothing related to cars or roads.
case is not closed yet. there is a high possibility of an illegal modified car, it’s a 2nd hand car as well, anything wrong with the car, may also been not disclosed when it was sold. There has been talks that methanol was added to the gasoline
@@matreen427 So much evidence to indicate they had the intent to speed. The first ever video posted showed the women squatting at the side filming them, along with the one who took that video.
Case is closed.
Racing & speeding resulting in death. Insurance payment is null & void.
Just imagine stuck in a burning car they must have wished had not done it. One good thing is there’s no bystanders injured.
Well, if there were lots of soot and burns in their lungs, they would likely have questioned their life choices while being rotisseried alive... If the lungs were intact, then they likely already died from the impact. Honestly, no amount of "calming" measures would dissuade idiots from being idiots. To speed along that quality of road at 120kmh, let alone an estimated 200kmh is about as jackass as it gets....
And being stuck in the rear seats of a 2-door coupe, no matter how alive they were at that time, they might not had any chance if the driver and the front passenger were stuck too or already uncontscious
Worst off for the 3 backseat passengers; utterly can't escape & roasted like roast pigs to DRATH in a 2-door BMW (burnt, melted, waxed) M4 coupe.
There's nothing challenging or problematic with that stretch of road. The problem is with the driver's stupidity and selfishness.
yes i agree...totally reckless and wastage of life
We do not pity these BMW Sport car racers gang. Heaven got eyes.
regardless of whether mechanical error or what, bottomline is: it’s the driver’s recklessness!
To all the wannabe racer boys, if TP dont catch you, the Reaper will
Life's is short...not to be!!!!
Yes...u are right.
That's the name of the cafe next to where they crashed. Grim reaper .. what a coincidence..
@@BugattiChica6 oo damn really? I only know they crashed at a shop that was previously known as Five Oars Coffee Roasters and the shop opposite it was called fire phoenix but yea there’s a lot of creepy coincidences in this accident.
It is not the road but the people with these bad nature.
Nothing to do with the road! Stop blaming the road.
Blame the dead body.....
Blame the road for it is not a race circuit designed !
Sports car speeding also happen at River Valley road towards Alexander road. It’s rather common to be woken up at wee hours by the engine sound.
There is ONLY so much can be done by the authorities, BUT if still want to sped, then nobody can be blamed except the driver
Agree.
You blame the govt? It seems there are quite a number of idiots in SG.
@@hjw2405 Believed you have misunderstood coffeebud hong's comments and read things differently from many others. Haha.
May this be a lesson for reckless young drivers
I wholeheartedly agree
You can't cure stupidity.
The full video of the accident should be played to all probationary drivers.
A fool is born everyday.
Selfishly vacuous comments. U think it’s roaches? Very irresponsible hurtful comments. Ur words are not any better than irresponsible drivers out there.
Why not call it like it like it is
Treating the winding road like a race track
And going around 5 x at high speed
What an absolutely ridiculous discussion. What to discuss? Apart from that it is a 100% drivers decision, stupidity and fault.
Car expert: 7 mins detailed analysis
Me: sports car goes vroom vroom
That road was built during the British Collonial era. And, it was meant for rickshaw, trishaw, bicycle and bullock cart. Once in a while the White Rajah will be driving a car that have a maximum speed of 20 mph on that stretch of road. Anyway, the 5 already have been raptured while we are still stuck here.
most people can feel sad about it but not sorry
because this tragedy was due to human negligence and error
Not negligence! They knew what they were doing ... recklessness and plain stupidity.
Nothing concerning negligence! Simply selfishness, arrogance, irresponsible n stupidity!!!!
And showing off leads to this. RIP.
Nope, I don't feel sad for them at all. That could've been your kid walking the street and taken out by these assholes. If they walked away from the accident, guaranteed they will buy a new car and do it again.
I’ve read Christopher Tan’s many cogently argued and well considered articles in the Straits Times. But am hearing him for the first time. Wow, he is very articulate and cogent even verbally and he nuanced his answers very carefully for accuracy. Shows how well he knows his stuff. Respect.
Disagree. His knowledge of high speed driving is low. His appreciation of mass times velocity squared = energy and how that affected the terrible outcome is low. His belief that airbags and seat belts have a *significant* positive influence in a 190kph crash is misplaced.
Honestly, I think there's a benefit to this incident receiving so much coverage because it might deter more Singaporeans from doing night racing.
believe people will still try these stupid act unless there is severe penalty, a good example is drug trafficking , the severe penalty is sentenced to death but for racer cars , suggest the most severe penalty will be most heavy fines and ban of their license upon being caught, will saves life of both the driver and innocent member of public
hope other racers wannabes will truly learn from this incident.
@@annorizxxo9149 Should be good for 2 weeks at least
Singapore where got road for night racing. Race at Palau Ubin & wake up the lazy pigs? Lol
Why waste time analyzing. The driver sped and crashed. End of story!
agree...this place is not for racing n show off...
could have involved innocent passersby.
Nothing to report< now digging “news”
I hope they don't over react and introduce new rules and regulations for something that happens so rarely.
You can't control behavior but then again, that area is prone to such behaviour because of the high concentration of pubs and restaurants..
This is immature, irresponsible behaviour.
Certainly you can influence that.
No mention of the possibility of alcohol bravado.
@@airypotty no evidence of alcohol at this point but I think there's a high likelihood it played a part.
Would be unreasonable to take any actions to the pubs.
Better than a malaysian investigation. Thx for sharing and gor the transparency
The cause of fire is due to the high speed, lost control from a slight curve, spun around and rear ended the shop house pillar. The impact would have rendered the occupants unconscious and damaged the petrol tank to leak and cause the fire with the engine still running. Simple as that without so long winded.
I felt sorry for their families. Instead of celebrating Chinese New Year and be happy, they have to undergo extreme sadness and grievances.
So much of pain inflicted upon the families.
My condolences to all the families.
May all the five souls Rest In Peace.
Best is to give these youngsters an outlet to drive.. you can not stopped them but can provide them a proper place to race with safety in place. We can try to understand human behaviour ..
They ask for it.
Seriously the facts are all laid out, is there even a need for a “Transport Expert” to advise further?
I think it's good though, as not everyone knows the whole picture. Even though 90% sounds like common sense. But at least he summarised the errors which some might missed out - i.e. speeding, overloading the car, possible car modifications, and possible not wearing seatbelts.
Well done Christopher Tan. Its my first time listening to you and I must say it's on point. Well laid out, careful and sensitive.
"You can't prevent behaviour... it's the individual's control". That's a win. No matter what calming measures to be implemented, it will still happen again.
The person usually has this thinking: "It will not happen to me".
Son of someone important/rich/connected? How come all MSMs trying very hard to say good things about them? Howcome no MSMsaying driving at 200KPH is totally reckless on a normal narrow strreet?
Everyone is flaming them lol no pun intended 😆🤣
very good intervention .
When you know the engine .it’s difficult to believe that can happen .
Every thing has a shield to prevent those kind of situation .
The crash was from the bottom ,maybe the crank case was damage during the crash ,chassis reinforcement bar rub and produce spank against the side walk .
Or maybe the turbo compressor are involved ,too much people in the car,so need to work more .That piece can heat more than 1000 degrees
Seeing this happened is not a surprise at all. I felt sorry for all live gone. But it will be more sorry for innocent life if someone at the road side got killed by these people!
Basically he is just going one whole round of East Coast park to say that we still won't know how the car caught into a blaze of fire
Talking about attitude behavior..
Rewinding back to the 60-70s, the appreciation of owning an automobile is very much different, as compared to today's "can't care much" attitude..
You cant prevemt behaviour. I like that sentence. Personal snd civic responsibility.
Been driving there everyday for pass 20 years with zero accident. The video already show everything road is empty and driver drove in fast speed.
So in future LTA going to straighten all Singapore road for our strawberry gen?
Start looking into our driving licence structure for class 3. It's long overdue.
Ain't no one walking away from a 200 km crash into a concrete wall Mr. Professional lol.
Quite an insightful analysis by Mr Tan. Thank you so much!
40kmh limit speed zone going at 180-200kmh. I think it's PURE RECKLESS-NESS!
No matter how you explain, driver reckless is at fault.
Remember Paul Walker Porsche was on fire too when he hit the tree. The car was driven by his friend and his car was pretty smash up too.
Whoever is behind the steering wheel is totally responsible - no argument needed.
Responsible for the deadly accident & irresponsible as a careful driver. So to sum up, it is Just Desserts & Good Riddance.
He is seriously saying that with a car speeding near 200 kph and having an accident the passengers would likely be able to open the doors and walk away if they are belted?
i agree with the fellow. the car markers actually tested their prototype cars by crashing them in a controlled environment b4 they started producing them in mass. i had seen footage of these prototype crashes more than a decade ago. crash dummies r put on the car, n airbags will open on impact. by now, the safety aspects of the car should have greatly improved.
Review driving licence classes for cars in line with motorcycles: Higher horsepower cars require a qualified licence. If you can afford a sports car, it's best you know how to control it. (Example: 3C/3CA 3B 3A 3)
Similar to motorcycles with different engine capacity and horsepower
It's doesn't really matter what license you get. It's the person the wheels.
If the car speed can be LIMITED according to your driving license, then maybe that might work but there are no such cars at the moment. Plus who would buy a car with limited speed.....lol.
Any alcohol content during the autopsy findings?
Petrol has a flashpoint of -43C, meaning it vapourise at that temperature. So yes it readily burns. Exhaust pipe of car easily goes above 100C. Do the math.
200 kph on a regular two lane road! Lol
Sorry to mention, I feel the Host is abit leading the question in the wrong direction, which means is not a Road issue.....
Yeah a diversion..
Lack of police enforcement. Seems from resident comments this has been a long term issue for them.
luckily he is gone for good ....no innocent live will be lost because of him in-future
Right...
Player 1 has lost by elimination.
Player 2 wins!
Chances of the girlfriend surviving extensive burn injury is very low. I think she may have a slim chance bcos Singapore hospitals are pretty good. Anywhere else she would be dead. Anyway even if she recovers, she will be disfigured for life.
Ban sports car on SG road. You are not allowed to race anyway
Final Destination.
One-way & non-returnable Dicket (D for Death class) to meet the King of Hades to collect their Death Tablets (not digital & not Apple or Samsung brands) as trophies.
Road are not made for RACING..
What road conditions? Stupid question. Reason is driving way too fast at 200kmh. Dangerous driving..probably drunk..asking for trouble . End of story
What about the tanjong pagar road condition that might have contributed to the accident. This phrase is so stupid. The driver was speeding. So simple as that. And he ramped into the building and the whole lot met their death. The shop owner could actually sue the estate for damages
Sama sama. Some parents also blamed the teachers for not able to educate their kids, when they themselves dun even have time to spend some moments with their children alone. Sorry sidetrack a bit haha..
SG's news is funny af. Car accident take a week to discuss.
Take this incident as lesson and please drive slowly with carefully
I feel really pity for their families, relatives and friends. All they will know is pain throughout their entire lives
But must dearly thanks d driver for free cremation & instant hassled free crematorium save deposit...
And they will be reminded of this painful memory during Cny every year......
RIP condolence to the family
Very well said. If LTA is to implement speed reducing measure on this road particularly from this incident, I think they are really naive and not thinking... you can’t control human behaviour..
Why the traffic police don't take action earlier on
Why blaming the road is uneven? Expecting to have better surface for who? For hooligan to drive even better for speed. Logically that road is not even for speed with so narrow space.
What is the chance that either the car's door can be opened after a high impact crash like this? A layman can tell you that the doors are likely to be buckled or misaligned, or the door mechanism is jammed shut by the electronics onboard after the impact and cannot be opened manually. you will need a cutting machine or a crowbar to jemmy it apart.
Worst of all, it's a 2-door coupe. No way of easy escape for backseat PASS(on)enters!! RIP, unfortunate souls.
Everything he said was subjective. He had said nothing. Better to wait for the police report and test.
Exactly, no point discussing on the road or car conditions when the investigations are still ongoing. Its just speculation and i say the same for people judging that it was racing, drink driving, suicide pact or whatever nonsense at the first instant when the news is out. Just wait for the investigations to be over, once the car is examined and the friends of the victims at the scene interrogated, we will naturally know the truth.
@@skychaos87 His friend, Akira said the car skidded when it’s clear they were racing. Do you really think the deceased were merely closing down the Korean restaurant they own nearby at 5am plus when social distancing regulations dictate places must close at 10:30pm? How good of a witness is he? Is he credible then or is he covering for himself and them? Maybe they flouted social distancing rules too? Autopsies will be difficult when the bodies are burnt as well. Chances are we might never know the entire truth, but we know for a fact that the driver was speeding and residents nearby claim they have circled the area three times before they crashed. They have provided photos to support this. There are also old Instagram stories of the driver circulating about on how he was bragging over the sad fact that he was caught speeding in the US and had been told to appear in American court. But his Instagram is now deleted. Read what you want of it.
@@shopgirl6183 Yes that deduction of yours is reasonable, but my point is that we are not the judge or expert investigators. I'm sure whatever the evidences are, the police and the experts will have a clearer picture than us trying to jump to conclusions based on second hand information online. Also, the investigators are not stupid, they are also not going to take what the witnesses said at face value, if you think they were lying i am sure the police and investigators will know it better than you. More importantly the investigators have more access to other information than us like examination of the wreckage, autopsy results, CCTV footages or even access to the victims and witnesses' private data be it social media account and transaction with car modifying companies(if any). I'm not going to take what the correspondent in this video said at face value, so i'm definitely not going to just accept online speculations(even if they turn out true). This is not a competition of who can make the best prediction or "i told you so". I only care about the truth and we will know what the result is when the verdict is out.
Why is the news woman trying to justify the accident as "due to road conditions"... and how is this a "confluence of many errors"... there is only 1 error. The driver speeding. That is it.
uhhh, my understanding is different from yours. at 4:57, he summarised the "errors", i.e. speeding, overloading the car, possible car modifications, and one that he didn't add into the summary, possible not wearing seatbelts.
I don't think road conditions was one of the errors he was talking about.
I think you people giving ST a hard time for doing this should take a chill pill, it is actually good that they use this unfortunate incident to create some positive. Make it a talking point, create awareness, if not for the speedster (whom will not listen) will be for parents so that they be extra vigilant about giving their son or daughter a powerful machine. However, having said that, at 200 km/h, I do not think any seat belt or airbags going to save you. Just look up TH-cam for vehicle crash test and ask yourself if you think it is survivable.
.... People with lack of driving experience should not own fast cars I'd say. No one in their right mind will want to speed to 200 kmh in a small road like this
Some people don't cry until they see the coffin.
A drunkard?
confirm got mod de la. if never mod engine wher egot so loud sia
Sports car leh bro, ofc loud la
@@yuntong1995 i noe. i mean but not as loud as this ma
Methanol injection, watch F&F racing scenes, one will find the illegal mod firing buttons.
@@trinachoo1313 it's an M4, it's loud...
Should set a tough law on speeding . Maybe the car install a electronic if speeding over 90km/h and it will send data to traffic police . Those e bike and scooter also . They ride n speeding on walk way . No one get caught ? Why ?
If i buy the whole speedometer, IM GONNA USE THE WHOLE SPEEDOMETER. Jokes aside, please drive safe and carefully, its not worth it to risk your life for 5 mins of daredevil thrills.
Give some business to the coffin seller. 🤔
Erm what about toxicity level ? These guys drunk or not?
Well, on a bright side, one less dangerous driver on the road. Woohoo!😁
got people say the car was mod using methanol eh... is it really so powerful?
Powerful enough to cook the victims. I dont think the petrol tank was compromised because the front tyres are intact
@@NewmaticKe and summore 5 people inside when coupe can only sit 4 and no way to escape either as only two door
@@NewmaticKe At such high speed an impact, it probably ruptured fuel lines, if not the tank.
@@trinachoo1313 So the 3 people who sat on the back couldn't get out because the people on the driver's and passenger's seat didn't?
@@daphnebrighton9847 it is a two door car and for the three idiots to get out, those two idiots must get out first den push the front seats forward then the 3 can get out. but with the fire like that, that two idiots in front also no strength to get out on their own anyway
The new car is already powerful. It is expensive and no buyer will void the warranty by modifying. It is just a driver who thinks he has the skills to manage a beast. Look at the burnt tire tracks on the road. Driver just slam on the breaks when he finally realized the beast is more than he thought.
Singapore is govt by so call smart people? Yet no road bounce? No cctv? No speed limit sign? No enforcement officer?
good point “behavior is the individual’s control”
Agreed, Life's good. Don't do silly things to end it... God gives you only one life. Love it and look after it.
The change of centre of gravity too I guess with 5 adults in a coupe, in speeds up to '120+' km/h, with sudden bends here and there.
exactly, CG is off. at 200km/h while trying to turn. what u expect?
Think before you drink and drive.
Insurance still cover base on what this expert said?
Lesson learned. Fun can have fun but not to the extend to sadness.
Takumi: I think I messed up the beancurd...
Takumi's father: ya think?
Speed to lim chu kang...
KE = 0.5* MV**2 , base on this simple equation, what would happen to the free body of the car ?? ==>> disintegration !!!
Everything bursted apart, including the fuel tank and its content. It's very unlikely to be a dud.
Fast, Furious,... Fire , ...Five.... Fate...😔
Well the roads will be that bit safer now that they're gone.
Fast & Furious 180 to 200km per hrs ... Bravo 👏
Wannabe motorheads still not on par with Paul Walker, thou all of them are in eternal fiery inferno.
"YOU CAN'T ACTUALLY PREVENT BEHAVIOUR RIGHT?
BEHAVIOUR IS INDIVIDUALS CONTROL"
--- SIR CHRISTOPHER TAN
Behaviour = self restraint. Those who can’t usually ends up on the wrong side of the law.
Sigh... "Play stupid games, win stupid prizes".
I just pity the families left behind
They knew what they were doing, gambled with their lives and lost. So it’s not a tragic accident. It was waiting for them to knock on the door of hell.
It was a two door car so the back seat occupants would have been trapped inside.
I think our government should look into all these ppl racing around residential areas. Heard from the youngs that ppl are racing around CBD districts and Tanjong Pagar.
During the 70's ppl will race around East Coast area
Nothing to discuss anymore.everybody knows what happen in that video.
Unfortunate incidents
To all: dont blame the road the car or the accesories. Nothing you cant do even if you decide to hit that corner with 200km/h and traction control offline. All drifter and pro racer are laughing for that stupid decision of the driver in the public road with that speed.
CCTV with speed limit of 50 kmh is very effective in apprehending speedsters. I paid $130.00 and 6 demerit points that lasted 1 full year.