A Fleet Chief became simply WO1 in 1985 as the services became more joint service orientated. Chief Artificer is also a WO1 rank, I'm not sure when it was phased out, maybe the same time.
Fleet Chief Petty Officer was changed to Warrant Officer to bring the Navy inline with the Army, Air Force and Marines. Chief Artificer was specific to a sub division of the Engineer departments.
I left as a Chief Petty Officer, Warrant Officer was then highest a non commission officer rate, now they have added Warrant Officer 2,, Warrant Officers are called Sir by ratings of a lower rate and Mr by commissioned officer.
You should do an overview of each role within the service 😁 it's a bit ask but I'm sure there would be plenty of potential recruits out there that would benefit for that sort of information 🙂 maybe try and get some information from those currently service? That was you can inform about stuff the websites don't 🙂 You could try (try being the main word) and do this for every service not just RN 🙂
@@MilitaryStuffChannel It would be good, as the information about Officer roles is not strictly accurate as Engineering, Logistic or other non-executive (Operations) branch cannot command a ship.
There used to be Petty Officers 2nd class and 1st class but these were merged in WW1. However with the plethora of Petty Officers in the RN nowadays maybe it would be a good idea if they were reintroduced?
Canadas Naval ranks is one of my favourite by far in terms of organization and structure. PO2 and PO1 are a thing, and CPO2 and CPO1 is also a thing. Super simple
Middy's are not commissioned. I had to suck that rank for a year. It's a training rank, we were called snotties from Petty Officer up, service members ignored us. We reported them to the DO who said take it up with the Coxswain, or Chief of the ship, who told us we were lower than whale shit.
When was that phased out? Am I wrong in thinking that in the 1980's you were an 'Ordinary Seaman' before progressing to an AB? Cheers.@@countofdownable
Is there not a rank called " Captain of the Fleet "? I remember the quiz show Pointless asking the question about Royal Navy ranks. I could have sworn this was one of the ranks!!!!!!!!
Could I suggest that you make a notation of the NATO grades i.e. OR 1-9 for enlisted and NCO, and OF for Commissioned Officers. For example Royal Navy Petty Officers are OR 5 & 6. The U.S. Coast Guard and Navy have 3 grades of Petty Officers 3rd, 2nd, and 1st class - OR 4, 5, & 6
I read somewhere that, under the British system, the Navy is considered to be the "Senior Service", and as such has higher authority than the other branches. So if two officers of equivalent rank, say an Army lieutenant and a Navy lieutenant, are standing side-by-side, the naval officer is considered to have higher authority, and thus would be able to give orders to the army officer----even though they both have the same rank technically.
@@mjspice100 Thanks, that's what I thought. I remember reading about it in one of Phil McCutchan's British Navy novels. McCutchan was in WW2 and served on warships. I love his "Cameron" novels---very authentic.
@ Kelly Snipe It's the Senior Service in that it is founded and maintained by Royal Prerogative, unlike the British Army and the Royal Air Force, which can only be maintained with the approval of parliament.
@@harrywhite5247 The 'man' in such phrases derives from the French word 'main' meaning hand. A 'foreman' for instance is a leading hand. Nothing to do with sex, even though some want to make everything about sex, or race, or climate etc.
Summary of ranks at the end, please. This was done for the Army so why not for the Royal Navy? Yes, better background too. Otherwise, excellent. Thank you.
That was not a rank per se, it was the position of Sailing Master. Navigator, I suppose. Would have been a Warrant Officer position in the sailing days, later becoming a Lieutenant's position on steam-driven warships and onwards.
What happened to Ordinary Rate as in Ordinary Seaman. It used to be subordinate to Able Seaman (Able Rates).
No longer exists in the RN.
I recall one time the RN had a rank called "Fleet Chief Petty Officer" as well as " Chief Artificer".
A Fleet Chief became simply WO1 in 1985 as the services became more joint service orientated. Chief Artificer is also a WO1 rank, I'm not sure when it was phased out, maybe the same time.
Fleet Chief Petty Officer was changed to Warrant Officer to bring the Navy inline with the Army, Air Force and Marines. Chief Artificer was specific to a sub division of the Engineer departments.
I left as a Chief Petty Officer, Warrant Officer was then highest a non commission officer rate, now they have added Warrant Officer 2,, Warrant Officers are called Sir by ratings of a lower rate and Mr by commissioned officer.
Great series.
Thank you. 🇬🇧
Glad you enjoyed it.
Very interesting video! Excellent stuff
Thank you!
The rings are called, half rings, full rings and flag rings for officers.
You should do an overview of each role within the service 😁 it's a bit ask but I'm sure there would be plenty of potential recruits out there that would benefit for that sort of information 🙂 maybe try and get some information from those currently service? That was you can inform about stuff the websites don't 🙂
You could try (try being the main word) and do this for every service not just RN 🙂
I'll look into it.
Yes. That would be brilliant.
@@MilitaryStuffChannel It would be good, as the information about Officer roles is not strictly accurate as Engineering, Logistic or other non-executive (Operations) branch cannot command a ship.
Isn't that why there is a Careers Office for the Services?
Seaman Operator back in my day '83⚓
Gonna have to redo this video now - badges with the Queen's Crown will need replacing with ones featuring the King's Crown.
There used to be Petty Officers 2nd class and 1st class but these were merged in WW1. However with the plethora of Petty Officers in the RN nowadays maybe it would be a good idea if they were reintroduced?
Canadas Naval ranks is one of my favourite by far in terms of organization and structure. PO2 and PO1 are a thing, and CPO2 and CPO1 is also a thing. Super simple
Midshipman is not a rank, it is the same as recruit, officers only hold it during training.
Yes but you'll see them onboard ship and midshipman though the same as officer cadet is still a rank.
Middy's are not commissioned. I had to suck that rank for a year. It's a training rank, we were called snotties from Petty Officer up, service members ignored us. We reported them to the DO who said take it up with the Coxswain, or Chief of the ship, who told us we were lower than whale shit.
Did you know Nelson's ship, the Victory, was towed back to England by the Arch Royal.
Midshipman is now a commissioned rank. Equal to Second lieutenant in the Royal Marines and British Army.
Midshipman is 100% a commissioned rank. You only achieve it on passing out of Dartmouth.
It is really irritating to have the background so blurry. And repetitive. Otherwise very well put together.
Would love to see Australian Navy ranks!
In that case you should go to HMAS Stirling Naval Base, Garden Island 😁
They are exactly the same as RN ranks.
Bloke, Mate, Stubby, for enlisted personnel. Officers start as Stubby-Holder, Chief, Leftennant, Rightennant, Commander, Kaptin and Admiral
I assume "ordinary seaman" is a thing of the past now.
Yes.
When was that phased out? Am I wrong in thinking that in the 1980's you were an 'Ordinary Seaman' before progressing to an AB?
Cheers.@@countofdownable
Is there not a rank called " Captain of the Fleet "? I remember the quiz show Pointless asking the question about Royal Navy ranks. I could have sworn this was one of the ranks!!!!!!!!
Captain of the fleet was marely a post/appointment in the 18th and 19th Century.
no but there is captain of the heads
I’ve seen action on sea 👍
👍
Me to 👍🏻
On which, secluded, south coast beach did you arrive?
@@timforbes4967 Tenbee ( Walez )
Could I suggest that you make a notation of the NATO grades i.e. OR 1-9 for enlisted and NCO, and OF for Commissioned Officers. For example Royal Navy Petty Officers are OR 5 & 6. The U.S. Coast Guard and Navy have 3 grades of Petty Officers 3rd, 2nd, and 1st class - OR 4, 5, & 6
Will do in future videos
I read somewhere that, under the British system, the Navy is considered to be the "Senior Service", and as such has higher authority than the other branches. So if two officers of equivalent rank, say an Army lieutenant and a Navy lieutenant, are standing side-by-side, the naval officer is considered to have higher authority, and thus would be able to give orders to the army officer----even though they both have the same rank technically.
A naval lieutenant outranks an army lieutenant.
They rank the same as an army captain.
@@mjspice100 Thanks, that's what I thought. I remember reading about it in one of Phil McCutchan's British Navy novels. McCutchan was in WW2 and served on warships. I love his "Cameron" novels---very authentic.
@ Kelly Snipe
It's the Senior Service in that it is founded and maintained by Royal Prerogative, unlike the British Army and the Royal Air Force, which can only be maintained with the approval of parliament.
@@Nomadicmillennial92 Thank you. I didn't know that.
No.
let me guess, leading hand used to be seaman but was recently changed to be more inclusive?
No. Leading Seaman is the rank, Leading Rate basically just another way of saying it but your official title is Leading Seaman still.
@@harrywhite5247 The 'man' in such phrases derives from the French word 'main' meaning hand. A 'foreman' for instance is a leading hand. Nothing to do with sex, even though some want to make everything about sex, or race, or climate etc.
Summary of ranks at the end, please. This was done for the Army so why not for the Royal Navy? Yes, better background too. Otherwise, excellent. Thank you.
James Bond is a Comander 🙂
A Commander (double M)
I'm surprised that there are only a few ranks for enlisted!
There are not a lot of ratings (Enlisted) ranks in the Royal Navy, when compared to Navies such as the USN.
Warrant Officers in the British military are different from US warrant officers. RN Warrant Officer 1 is equal the US Navy Master Chief Petty Officer.
There used to be a rank of Ordinary Seaman (which was below the rank of Able Seaman), but it was phased out in the early 2000s.
Ordinary Rating doesn't exist anymore?
No!
Neither does the non-word 'anymore', which is American junk-speak. Try any longer etc.
What rank is called master?
That was not a rank per se, it was the position of Sailing Master. Navigator, I suppose. Would have been a Warrant Officer position in the sailing days, later becoming a Lieutenant's position on steam-driven warships and onwards.
@tidaljunk Thank you, that explains why my research went nowhere
So England got rid of Rear Admiral of the lower half but America still uses it?!
Nope the British never used it, it was always commodore used by the British
@@geocachingwomble Commodore also used in RAN, also know as a 'one star'
We do have rear admirals, I work for one
@@nhall94 That’s Rear Admiral of the Upper Half, two stars.. ⭐️ ⭐️
Commodore is now a substantive rank
📡🙏🇺🇸🌎🌏🇺🇸GOD BESS YOU ALL FOR SAVING THE PLANET EARTH UNITED STATE'S GOVERNMENT DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE (DOD)
Lef-tantant is Army. L'tenant is Navy.
Royal Navy say ‘Lef-tenant’
One notes the abandonment of...
Ordinary SEAMAN
Able SEAMAN
Leading SEAMAN
...politically correctness gone mad. Nelson would not be amused!