I let a Jehovah's Witness in my home. I sat him down and asked him, "What is it that you want to tell me?" He said, "I don't know, I never made it this far".
Sex became a major problem in my marriage. To the point of only being intimate 1 or 2 times every 3 months or more. It was so frustrating. And it It hurt because you crave intimacy. To feel that marital bond. She cheated 10 years ago. And I've been single ever since. I left the cult over a year ago. But the whole time since her I've been terrified of meeting someone. The way they brainwash you into believing how evil sex is indescribable. Im now 40 and feel ill never meet someone because of it.
This is from Sam: Sorry to hear this as its a huge loss for you personally. I recommend you find a good counsellor (therapist) to work through this so you are at least be open to meeting someone without fear. There are also specialised psychosexual counsellors, just find out what type of therapy they practice so you feel comfortable. But a good experienced regular therapist can work well too. If you want a list of therapists with ex-cult experience email us.
I thought they should teach you sex is good in a marriage. Maybe she had other issues, maybe she was abused or had low drive due to diet etc. be careful but don’t judge other women based on her, take your time.
Yes, the obnoxious rules of the organization regarding sex causes a lot of sexual repression, and i believe it is because these nine men are themselves sexually repressed. Also, i think these men get off on (get a heart on) grilling folks in that back room on WHAT PARTICULAR TYPE of sex they may have engaged in. They themselves are most likely sexually frustrated, especially if they sre single. Also, sisters have it the worst, because it is the brothers who they believe should approach a sister, otherwise the sister is "too forward" approaching a brother to start a relationship. Thus if no brother approaches them, and it is forbidden for her to go outside the organization (to marry an "unbeliever") for a mate, this, too, causes sexual repression. It also puts a damper or strain on these sisters desiring a family while young, and if she's in the organization for, say, years, with no prospects, as the years fly by her 'eggs are drying up and all opportunity to have children and grands is lost. Their rules on sex and relationships are wrong and detrimental on SO MANY FRONTS, leaving so many witnesses, married and single, frustrated, causing many to have sexual issues sometimes for life. It's truly a tragic situation.
Another thing is that the scriptures recognize the potency of the sex drive, as to why it is written "it is better to marry than to burn" (to be constantly inflamed with passion and have no 'release'). And yet the organization FORBIDS marriage unless to another witness. Scripture, in fact, condemns religions that engages in "the forbidding to marry which God ordained..." (as in the case of priests and nuns). I believe it's all about what this sister said, it's all about the organization's greed; by staying single your only obligation is to the organization to spend more time pummeling that literature and thereby increasing the society's bottom line. If you marry 'out of the org, they risk losing you to the non-witness, and again, the possibility of financial loss. THAT is the real bottom line. How sick, and how extremely selfish. Just another method of destroying lives for greed and selfish monetary gain...in the name of ministering for the gospel.
Yeah, When you try to equate sin and sex, you become so afraid to experience it. That sometimes leads to becoming a sinful act in your mind, which is not good. Sex is a beautiful gift that God gave us to enjoy. With mutual approval from your partner, both of you will have a wonderful experience with one another, which will lead to an awesome partnership,
Thanks for tackling this topic, most shy away, but so many of us are messed up with shame and guilt over our sexual feelings and the organisations input on this has made it a hundred times worse ….I’m referring to their watchtower articles on what ‘they’ consider appropriate between consenting partners
Agreed. Its really twisting of minds and scaremongering from early on for maximum psychological damage. Churches have Sunday School for children separately for a reason, they keep the content suitable for young minds.
Yes it is! I left last year and am dealing with years of damage. I am getting my children out for multiple reasons and this is one of many. They say very inappropriate things on the podium about sex and even go into details of all forms of sex I don't want to name. Sick controlling cult!
Good discussion. And you are right, Quinn, it is a deliberate mind twist & they relish the "sacrifice", anguish & baggage that it causes, especially for born ins. For ones who leave, dont be so afraid of outsiders because you will find a lot of great people who have more respect for others than JW's have! You get to set your own boundaries. 🐎
Good point Heather, people from the outside are really not scary. It's the JW's themselves that are scary once you leave and then look back from the outside
Its a very sinister way to control people and remove any remaining enjoyment from their lives. While Biblical principles around sexual morality are a good guideline, it should absolutely be a person's own free choice to choose to follow them if they wish. Not forced or co-erced by fear of disfellowshipping, judging and labelling. That type of controlled environment simply causes all sorts of sexual dysfunction and misery.
i’ve always believed that masturbation was god’s way of honoring our human sexuality as a huge part of us that he gave us the ability to relive ourselves should we ever be in a situation where we cannot access a partner for any length of time.
One Sunday afternoon a JW elder and I went on a field service. At the crack of the dawn on Monday, bad news was broken to the entire congregation that this brother has passed away. Shocked as brothers were ,they swooped to his house only to find an elder stop brothers from entering the house; his reasons were ; to prevent fornication with the bereaved. Brothers have to walk in pairs but the sisters. This elder even allowed the "suspicious" LESBIAN sisters through. The question is that the JWS think of sex so much. It's perversion to the highest degree.....
In the house however, his wife was unconsoleable. Present were both in-laws also JWS . Blood relatives some of whom are elders in the congregation were sitting in the living room. It's a shame JWS think of sex so much.
Yes a cult, but one of the darkest and most damaging of all because they look relatively harmless but abuse people on a very very deep lasting level physically, mentally, emotionally and spiritually.
Sounds about right, always spreading misinformation. With so many crazy articles in past Awake and Watchtower magazines there are many TH-cam channels with content purely based on it! Lol
Jehovah’s witnesses never said that. The sex talk today as you know you, you yourself will not want your children to learn or imitate I'm sure you will agree mam
@@FreeAlivePodcast And now, I have given up trying and just live my life as best I can without trying anymore. It's JW first, you're always second. It's sad but it's a fact
In all honesty JW organisation is full of bad marriages kept going for sake of appearances. I recall sitting through every Watchtower article on marriage for years observing how hardly anyone wanted to even comment the topic was so painful. They didn't feel they had 'freedom of speech' given the state of their marriage. There are a few exceptions but generally speaking its pretty grim.
I knew a couple just like that. The husband was a non believer and his bedroom was in the attic. The JW wife had her bedroom on another floor. It's probably more common then we all think in this organization
Organized religions are often in conflict with Matthew 23-8. Do not expect Matthew 12-50, and John 15 to be mentioned much either in churches with lots of hierarchy.
Exactly. Its a spiritual gift given by Holy Spirit and a VERY RARE one. Because God’s purpose from the start was that we would be paired up and married with children. That is still the ideal even if life doesn’t always work out like that. But the reality is sex happens because if it didn’t humanity would have long died out. Forcing people to be celibate is cruel and a way for the JW organisation to control and exploit people spiritually.
This video needs to go out and reach all those ppl any jws that have found themselves in a miserable relationship or marriage. Yes we are accountable to Jehovah only
i also think they try to sell the whole gift of singleness so that they could justify the closed system of marriage. They know women would stand a better chance of finding a mate outside of the religion but that would be an inconvenience for the org. so they impose rules that take away majorly from people’s quality of life to serve for their own interests
They absolutely screw up people's lives especially sisters faithful to the organisation who surely would love to have children, even if they married a solid man who doesn't share the JW faith.
Thank you so much for this… I’m very much in the deconstruction time of my healing process. I would love a discussion on dating after leaving the org… it’s definitely very different I’ve experienced firsthand in my first year after cutting ties
Never been in a relationship, self sabotaged cause of my psychology and values instilled in me, guilt. Fear of disfellowshiping. I don't give a shit anymore, I'm depressed whats the point of fearing disfelowshipping when its bringing the same outcome. Worst or best of all finally these last few months I have finally been able to see that I disagree with their Bible interpretation, didn't think I had to, but finally seeing their hypocrisy and non inspiration I finally feel free, and can act without the self attack in my brain. Its only up from here, 32
Thank you for sharing. It helps to realise they don't have the 'truth' in terms of Bible teachings either. Its a tough realisation to have, yet in the end liberating. Remember the key is love - learn to love yourself, love your life and do things in a way that shows consideration & love for others. You can't go wrong with that as a foundation. I recommend you keep the values you agree with but begin to explore life and expand beyond the confines imposed by the organisation as you feel ready. I have found many so called worldly people are absolutely lovely and have a much healthier approach to life than JWs! Remember you can have a fulfilling life post-JW with freedom to do the things you felt would be unspiritual or too time consuming. Allow yourself to grieve the losses and take time out to make sense of it all. I recommend getting counselling if you are able. And let us know any topics that would be helpful to cover. (Sam)
Exactly. You have to also remember being an elder is equivalent to joining a protected boys club. Shepherding the Flock of God book says if an elder has committed a sin (most likely sexual) but its been a couple years before it comes out and they have continued as elder, don't even give him a judicial because he has evidence of holy spirit because he is still standing (on lies). Basically one rule for elder, another for publishers. Hypocrisy abounds as evidence of rotten fruits indeed! Great cult for those at the top. Everyone else is screwed.
Also because gay relationships were never spoken of in a good light or about sex. I feel a sense of guilt a lot of the time when ir comes to me having sex.😢
From Sam: Sorry to hear this. Words hurt and can stay with us a long time. I recommend seeking someone you can talk to about this in confidence, depending on where you live there might be some counselling services available through LGBT charities. Or privately if you are in a position to pay. If you wish I can send a list of counsellors experienced in post-cult therapy.
hi, born in. married MS born in. I was 17 he was 22. We had sex before, so I thought we would be happy. Got married he would turn me away every night wk in. I become extremely insecure (both were nice couple) I had many options. Well mnth in his brother had moment feeling bad snitched. We both got dfd, 5 mnths later still turning dwn ended up confessing affair & porn addiction for reason why we never had sex. I was devastated! Came to hs to get stuff layed dwn he came in layed dwn & within mins of me saying get away he started. I jumped up said omg im not free! Went to his elder dads hs, told parents & asked am I still scriptually free? Nope. Suffered 3 yrs finally left. It ruined me as a whole woman. Org between dfd depressed over affair rejection not free script, I suffered on a mentally lowered level couldnt hold job or get outta bed for mnths.
So there is a scripture (dont ask me where) that states (under the Moseic law) that a man who "pours his semin on the ground should be put to death" or something to that effect. I always assumed that was a directive to ensure that the race of Isrealites would be perpetuated. The fact is that it was part of the Moseic law and we are not bound by it.
Yes one of the priorities for the nation of Israel was to procreate ensuring the line to Jesus remained both intact and the Jewish system of worship would still be in place when he emerged. One of the reasons polygamy was also allowed. And one person was put to death for intentionally pouring his semen in the ground, ensuring he didn't impregnate his dead brothers wife to continue his line, which was required by law. But it was different times, I would say the main lesson to learn from that for today is to be honest with your sexual partners. Seek clear consent, be transparent and honest will go a long way. If you are choosing polyamory for example, make it clear to your partners. If monogamy is a value, make it equally clear. You will ultimately attract what you put out there. (This is from Sam)
All of my beliefs are based on decades of intense study of the holy Bible. I was not taught and do not believe in any modern day prophets. This would include my beliefs on sexual morality which are by no means innovative and are all plainly stated in the holy scriptures.
There is an Old Testament scripture that tells men to not allow their seed to be poured out on the ground. Don’t recall where. In the ‘70’s they used it against mastrubation.
There is something like that, but it doesn't say it is actually a sin or a hard fast rule, Things such as having sex unmarried were clear it was a sin, but the masturbation issue in the Bible is not listed with the sins
You should get some pun tang before going to the meetings ( quickies😅 there awesome) then ur more prone to be cuddled up when you sit together at the meeting if her husband isnt an Elder running around doing stuff all meeting.😊
I got disfellowshipped in 2012 for fornication, and I just counted how many women I’ve slept with since 20 which is on the low end, but still to my credit at least I not doing anything unnatural
What you meant is how the world distroyed sex NOT Jehovah’s witnesses. The wicked world has tuned something that is very secred into a disgusting disaster nasty thing. This is not what God Jehovah created it was something very honorable but sex today is nasty. Paul says 1TIM 3: 4 lovers of Pleasures rather than lovers of God. Come on now let's be honest with ourselves
The world presents one extreme - JWs take it to another. Neither is healthy or balanced. JWs make living a godly life just about abstinence and following rules. Yet this produces proud, cold, narcissistic traits in people plus they ceremonially reject Jesus Christ at their annual memorial. So avoiding sex isn’t going to save them. Salvation is by faith not works. Controlling sexual behaviour gives an impression of piety while the real issues are not addressed.
I think sex is neutral, it hasn't been destroyed, some people choose to use it in a disgusting way and Jehovah's witnesses try to use it as a form of control. The bottomline is that it's up to each couple how they choose to have sex and if they want to be disgusting or honorable with it, but never should a religion set the rules for others. It's a personal choice
I do not understand these people! Are they dumb? To commit adultery is a crime too 😂 what are they thinking? I am not allowed to do this crime, so I do another crime, so I am allowed too? They have such a twisted understanding 😂😢😅 i cant! Just go ahead and go divorce. This is a crime already. There is no no need to do more then one crime to alterate the other crime. How spd! !!!!,,
If a wife should not deprive her husband of sex because it will make him susceptible to the temptation of committing adultery then the same is true about a man or woman deprived of self gratification through masturbation, that person is susceptible to committing fornication. How is it any different? Jesus and Jehovah had very good reasons for not including anything about masturbation in the entire bible. Compassion, mercy and dignity come to mind but also the relief it provides. So how does Jehovah feel about Elders who take it upon themselves to fill in where God was slacking and make up new rules regarding what God chose not to mention? They are going beyond the things written. That is a sin that IS in the bible and should be counted as worse than masturbation which is not in the bible. They want control, and Satan wants to sexually suppress christians like a coiled spring under compression, to make them susceptible to committing fornication and the Elders and governing body are helping Satan do that.
I’m not a JW. But you seem to have a problem with what God said about sex. If you don’t like the rules God made for our own good, don’t follow him. It’s not by force. Only the islamofashists force people. The true God never forces people. You don’t like Gods rules, don’t follow him, it’s your choice.
Great observation. For context we aren't saying God's principles in the Bible are the issue. Rather that JWs are coerced to follow rules around sexual behaviour by force, threatened with loss of community, family & friends used to control their behaviour, thinking, actions and desires with regards to sex and sexuality. Not only unhealthy, this is of course totally opposite to a loving God who makes his purpose and standards for sex known, yet leaves it up to each individual to choose whether to follow them.
I let a Jehovah's Witness in my home. I sat him down and asked him, "What is it that you want to tell me?" He said, "I don't know, I never made it this far".
Is that a joke or a true story ? With this religion it could be either one lol
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Sex became a major problem in my marriage. To the point of only being intimate 1 or 2 times every 3 months or more. It was so frustrating. And it It hurt because you crave intimacy. To feel that marital bond. She cheated 10 years ago. And I've been single ever since. I left the cult over a year ago. But the whole time since her I've been terrified of meeting someone. The way they brainwash you into believing how evil sex is indescribable. Im now 40 and feel ill never meet someone because of it.
This is from Sam: Sorry to hear this as its a huge loss for you personally. I recommend you find a good counsellor (therapist) to work through this so you are at least be open to meeting someone without fear. There are also specialised psychosexual counsellors, just find out what type of therapy they practice so you feel comfortable. But a good experienced regular therapist can work well too. If you want a list of therapists with ex-cult experience email us.
I thought they should teach you sex is good in a marriage. Maybe she had other issues, maybe she was abused or had low drive due to diet etc. be careful but don’t judge other women based on her, take your time.
Yes, the obnoxious rules of the organization regarding sex causes a lot of sexual repression, and i believe it is because these nine men are themselves sexually repressed. Also, i think these men get off on (get a heart on) grilling folks in that back room on WHAT PARTICULAR TYPE of sex they may have engaged in. They themselves are most likely sexually frustrated, especially if they sre single. Also, sisters have it the worst, because it is the brothers who they believe should approach a sister, otherwise the sister is "too forward" approaching a brother to start a relationship. Thus if no brother approaches them, and it is forbidden for her to go outside the organization (to marry an "unbeliever") for a mate, this, too, causes sexual repression. It also puts a damper or strain on these sisters desiring a family while young, and if she's in the organization for, say, years, with no prospects, as the years fly by her 'eggs are drying up and all opportunity to have children and grands is lost. Their rules on sex and relationships are wrong and detrimental on SO MANY FRONTS, leaving so many witnesses, married and single, frustrated, causing many to have sexual issues sometimes for life. It's truly a tragic situation.
Another thing is that the scriptures recognize the potency of the sex drive, as to why it is written "it is better to marry than to burn" (to be constantly inflamed with passion and have no 'release'). And yet the organization FORBIDS marriage unless to another witness. Scripture, in fact, condemns religions that engages in "the forbidding to marry which God ordained..." (as in the case of priests and nuns). I believe it's all about what this sister said, it's all about the organization's greed; by staying single your only obligation is to the organization to spend more time pummeling that literature and thereby increasing the society's bottom line. If you marry 'out of the org, they risk losing you to the non-witness, and again, the possibility of financial loss. THAT is the real bottom line. How sick, and how extremely selfish. Just another method of destroying lives for greed and selfish monetary gain...in the name of ministering for the gospel.
I think your right, it's all head games and sexual perversion on the ones making those rules
Yeah, When you try to equate sin and sex, you become so afraid to experience it. That sometimes leads to becoming a sinful act in your mind, which is not good. Sex is a beautiful gift that God gave us to enjoy. With mutual approval from your partner, both of you will have a wonderful experience with one another, which will lead to an awesome partnership,
Thanks for tackling this topic, most shy away, but so many of us are messed up with shame and guilt over our sexual feelings and the organisations input on this has made it a hundred times worse ….I’m referring to their watchtower articles on what ‘they’ consider appropriate between consenting partners
Your welcome, that's what we set to do on this channel is help people heal and realize the problem was never with us, its with the watchtower
I feel the level of details JWs go into in talks about sex and what not to do, is really inappropriate and confusing for children in the audience.
Agreed. Its really twisting of minds and scaremongering from early on for maximum psychological damage. Churches have Sunday School for children separately for a reason, they keep the content suitable for young minds.
I remember at 10, asking my mom what a blowjob was.
I think the elders/ writing department also gets off on telling married couples what they are allowed an don't allowed to do
Yes it is! I left last year and am dealing with years of damage. I am getting my children out for multiple reasons and this is one of many. They say very inappropriate things on the podium about sex and even go into details of all forms of sex I don't want to name. Sick controlling cult!
@@Cfalconeri Glad you got out, your children deserve to be free.
Good discussion. And you are right, Quinn, it is a deliberate mind twist & they relish the "sacrifice", anguish & baggage that it causes, especially for born ins. For ones who leave, dont be so afraid of outsiders because you will find a lot of great people who have more respect for others than JW's have! You get to set your own boundaries. 🐎
Good point Heather, people from the outside are really not scary. It's the JW's themselves that are scary once you leave and then look back from the outside
It's tragic and sad like in a cosmic level and people around you have no idea. This is hell.
Its a very sinister way to control people and remove any remaining enjoyment from their lives. While Biblical principles around sexual morality are a good guideline, it should absolutely be a person's own free choice to choose to follow them if they wish. Not forced or co-erced by fear of disfellowshipping, judging and labelling. That type of controlled environment simply causes all sorts of sexual dysfunction and misery.
If you divorce you are not free to marry biblically . This is what they told me
i’ve always believed that masturbation was god’s way of honoring our human sexuality as a huge part of us that he gave us the ability to relive ourselves should we ever be in a situation where we cannot access a partner for any length of time.
A positive take and its important we recognise it serves a purpose when used appropriately.
That's what I think, if it was so wrong why did God create that ability for us to do it ?
One Sunday afternoon a JW elder and I went on a field service. At the crack of the dawn on Monday, bad news was broken to the entire congregation that this brother has passed away. Shocked as brothers were ,they swooped to his house only to find an elder stop brothers from entering the house; his reasons were ; to prevent fornication with the bereaved. Brothers have to walk in pairs but the sisters. This elder even allowed the "suspicious" LESBIAN sisters through. The question is that the JWS think of sex so much. It's perversion to the highest degree.....
In the house however, his wife was unconsoleable. Present were both in-laws also JWS . Blood relatives some of whom are elders in the congregation were sitting in the living room. It's a shame JWS think of sex so much.
Jehovah Witnesses, just another cult religion.
Yes a cult, but one of the darkest and most damaging of all because they look relatively harmless but abuse people on a very very deep lasting level physically, mentally, emotionally and spiritually.
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Exactly! Well said.
Also I remember when they said masturbations causes people to be gay
Sounds about right, always spreading misinformation. With so many crazy articles in past Awake and Watchtower magazines there are many TH-cam channels with content purely based on it! Lol
Yes, I remember that also, If I wish I could find out what book or watchtower it was in
Jehovah’s witnesses never said that. The sex talk today as you know you, you yourself will not want your children to learn or imitate I'm sure you will agree mam
yes they did ! talk about masturbatiom can turn you gay.
when i told the elder that i was gay, the first thing he asked was if i masturbated 😅
I was shocked when I got married as a JW. Imagine your wife not allowing you to use your fingers or mouth.
They really know how to kill any enjoyment from sex and twist it into weirdness!
@@FreeAlivePodcast And now, I have given up trying and just live my life as best I can without trying anymore. It's JW first, you're always second. It's sad but it's a fact
People who leave this religion will definitely have a better sex life
My mom is a JW and my stepdad isn't and they have a terrible sex life and they don't even sleep in the same bed.
In all honesty JW organisation is full of bad marriages kept going for sake of appearances. I recall sitting through every Watchtower article on marriage for years observing how hardly anyone wanted to even comment the topic was so painful. They didn't feel they had 'freedom of speech' given the state of their marriage. There are a few exceptions but generally speaking its pretty grim.
I knew a couple just like that. The husband was a non believer and his bedroom was in the attic. The JW wife had her bedroom on another floor. It's probably more common then we all think in this organization
It's true. I'm experiencing the same thing. @@D.J.W.B.
Organized religions are often in conflict with Matthew 23-8. Do not expect Matthew 12-50, and John 15 to be mentioned much either in churches with lots of hierarchy.
So there's no such thing as "cultivating the gift of singleness."
Exactly. Its a spiritual gift given by Holy Spirit and a VERY RARE one. Because God’s purpose from the start was that we would be paired up and married with children. That is still the ideal even if life doesn’t always work out like that. But the reality is sex happens because if it didn’t humanity would have long died out. Forcing people to be celibate is cruel and a way for the JW organisation to control and exploit people spiritually.
This video needs to go out and reach all those ppl any jws that have found themselves in a miserable relationship or marriage. Yes we are accountable to Jehovah only
Yes, and for those in miserable relationships they can really think about what we discussed in this video and ask if a loving god would do that
i also think they try to sell the whole gift of singleness so that they could justify the closed system of marriage. They know women would stand a better chance of finding a mate outside of the religion but that would be an inconvenience for the org. so they impose rules that take away majorly from
people’s quality of life to serve for their own interests
They absolutely screw up people's lives especially sisters faithful to the organisation who surely would love to have children, even if they married a solid man who doesn't share the JW faith.
Thank you so much for this… I’m very much in the deconstruction time of my healing process. I would love a discussion on dating after leaving the org… it’s definitely very different I’ve experienced firsthand in my first year after cutting ties
Never been in a relationship, self sabotaged cause of my psychology and values instilled in me, guilt. Fear of disfellowshiping. I don't give a shit anymore, I'm depressed whats the point of fearing disfelowshipping when its bringing the same outcome. Worst or best of all finally these last few months I have finally been able to see that I disagree with their Bible interpretation, didn't think I had to, but finally seeing their hypocrisy and non inspiration I finally feel free, and can act without the self attack in my brain. Its only up from here, 32
Thank you for sharing. It helps to realise they don't have the 'truth' in terms of Bible teachings either. Its a tough realisation to have, yet in the end liberating. Remember the key is love - learn to love yourself, love your life and do things in a way that shows consideration & love for others. You can't go wrong with that as a foundation. I recommend you keep the values you agree with but begin to explore life and expand beyond the confines imposed by the organisation as you feel ready. I have found many so called worldly people are absolutely lovely and have a much healthier approach to life than JWs! Remember you can have a fulfilling life post-JW with freedom to do the things you felt would be unspiritual or too time consuming. Allow yourself to grieve the losses and take time out to make sense of it all. I recommend getting counselling if you are able. And let us know any topics that would be helpful to cover. (Sam)
@@FreeAlivePodcast thanks
I reported an elder on tax evasion, the COE said they wouldn't bother. But if you reported someone else having oral sex, they would take action. CULT.
Exactly. You have to also remember being an elder is equivalent to joining a protected boys club. Shepherding the Flock of God book says if an elder has committed a sin (most likely sexual) but its been a couple years before it comes out and they have continued as elder, don't even give him a judicial because he has evidence of holy spirit because he is still standing (on lies). Basically one rule for elder, another for publishers. Hypocrisy abounds as evidence of rotten fruits indeed! Great cult for those at the top. Everyone else is screwed.
Also because gay relationships were never spoken of in a good light or about sex. I feel a sense of guilt a lot of the time when ir comes to me having sex.😢
From Sam: Sorry to hear this. Words hurt and can stay with us a long time. I recommend seeking someone you can talk to about this in confidence, depending on where you live there might be some counselling services available through LGBT charities. Or privately if you are in a position to pay. If you wish I can send a list of counsellors experienced in post-cult therapy.
guilt is the control
Absolutely, a triple dose of fear, guilt and shame.
hi, born in. married MS born in. I was 17 he was 22. We had sex before, so I thought we would be happy. Got married he would turn me away every night wk in. I become extremely insecure (both were nice couple) I had many options. Well mnth in his brother had moment feeling bad snitched. We both got dfd, 5 mnths later still turning dwn ended up confessing affair & porn addiction for reason why we never had sex. I was devastated! Came to hs to get stuff layed dwn he came in layed dwn & within mins of me saying get away he started. I jumped up said omg im not free! Went to his elder dads hs, told parents & asked am I still scriptually free? Nope. Suffered 3 yrs finally left. It ruined me as a whole woman. Org between dfd depressed over affair rejection not free script, I suffered on a mentally lowered level couldnt hold job or get outta bed for mnths.
Great Job Thanks
So there is a scripture (dont ask me where) that states (under the Moseic law) that a man who "pours his semin on the ground should be put to death" or something to that effect. I always assumed that was a directive to ensure that the race of Isrealites would be perpetuated.
The fact is that it was part of the Moseic law and we are not bound by it.
Yes one of the priorities for the nation of Israel was to procreate ensuring the line to Jesus remained both intact and the Jewish system of worship would still be in place when he emerged. One of the reasons polygamy was also allowed. And one person was put to death for intentionally pouring his semen in the ground, ensuring he didn't impregnate his dead brothers wife to continue his line, which was required by law. But it was different times, I would say the main lesson to learn from that for today is to be honest with your sexual partners. Seek clear consent, be transparent and honest will go a long way. If you are choosing polyamory for example, make it clear to your partners. If monogamy is a value, make it equally clear. You will ultimately attract what you put out there. (This is from Sam)
Many Marriages were destroyed after the WT articles on proper sex acts or inproper acts.😮
But How will they know if you have sex on a meeting night?
All of my beliefs are based on decades of intense study of the holy Bible. I was not taught and do not believe in any modern day prophets. This would include my beliefs on sexual morality which are by no means innovative and are all plainly stated in the holy scriptures.
So how is it explained to the young ones ,what they are allowed as far as touch the opposite sex,before marriage
What is allowed?
Only handholding?
Just about, each congregation elders may set slightly different rules
There is an Old Testament scripture that tells men to not allow their seed to be poured out on the ground. Don’t recall where. In the ‘70’s they used it against mastrubation.
There is something like that, but it doesn't say it is actually a sin or a hard fast rule, Things such as having sex unmarried were clear it was a sin, but the masturbation issue in the Bible is not listed with the sins
The dumbest thing is to have a stupid shaperon ..im like fck that! I will never let soneone spy in a dating
You should get some pun tang before going to the meetings ( quickies😅 there awesome) then ur more prone to be cuddled up when you sit together at the meeting if her husband isnt an Elder running around doing stuff all meeting.😊
Stats are not sexy.
Nope, but they tell the sisters that's the only important thing when selecting a marriage mate
I got disfellowshipped in 2012 for fornication, and I just counted how many women I’ve slept with since 20 which is on the low end, but still to my credit at least I not doing anything unnatural
What you meant is how the world distroyed sex NOT Jehovah’s witnesses. The wicked world has tuned something that is very secred into a disgusting disaster nasty thing. This is not what God Jehovah created it was something very honorable but sex today is nasty. Paul says 1TIM 3: 4 lovers of Pleasures rather than lovers of God. Come on now let's be honest with ourselves
The world presents one extreme - JWs take it to another. Neither is healthy or balanced. JWs make living a godly life just about abstinence and following rules. Yet this produces proud, cold, narcissistic traits in people plus they ceremonially reject Jesus Christ at their annual memorial. So avoiding sex isn’t going to save them. Salvation is by faith not works. Controlling sexual behaviour gives an impression of piety while the real issues are not addressed.
None of my so called worldly associates are as judgmental, controlling and perverted as JW.
I think sex is neutral, it hasn't been destroyed, some people choose to use it in a disgusting way and Jehovah's witnesses try to use it as a form of control. The bottomline is that it's up to each couple how they choose to have sex and if they want to be disgusting or honorable with it, but never should a religion set the rules for others. It's a personal choice
You all have no problem with just your problem is with the Bible stop blaming religion for your own bad decisions ,,it's called blame shifting
You all have no problem with jws your problem is with God and the bible
I do not understand these people! Are they dumb? To commit adultery is a crime too 😂 what are they thinking? I am not allowed to do this crime, so I do another crime, so I am allowed too? They have such a twisted understanding 😂😢😅 i cant! Just go ahead and go divorce. This is a crime already. There is no no need to do more then one crime to alterate the other crime. How spd! !!!!,,
If a wife should not deprive her husband of sex because it will make him susceptible to the temptation of committing adultery then the same is true about a man or woman deprived of self gratification through masturbation, that person is susceptible to committing fornication. How is it any different? Jesus and Jehovah had very good reasons for not including anything about masturbation in the entire bible. Compassion, mercy and dignity come to mind but also the relief it provides. So how does Jehovah feel about Elders who take it upon themselves to fill in where God was slacking and make up new rules regarding what God chose not to mention? They are going beyond the things written. That is a sin that IS in the bible and should be counted as worse than masturbation which is not in the bible. They want control, and Satan wants to sexually suppress christians like a coiled spring under compression, to make them susceptible to committing fornication and the Elders and governing body are helping Satan do that.
I’m not a JW. But you seem to have a problem with what God said about sex. If you don’t like the rules God made for our own good, don’t follow him. It’s not by force. Only the islamofashists force people. The true God never forces people. You don’t like Gods rules, don’t follow him, it’s your choice.
Great observation. For context we aren't saying God's principles in the Bible are the issue. Rather that JWs are coerced to follow rules around sexual behaviour by force, threatened with loss of community, family & friends used to control their behaviour, thinking, actions and desires with regards to sex and sexuality. Not only unhealthy, this is of course totally opposite to a loving God who makes his purpose and standards for sex known, yet leaves it up to each individual to choose whether to follow them.