Dream: this is what happened, here are is evidence Tommy:here is my side, no i'm not gonna give evidence Tommy fans: well obviously tommy is tellling the truth
It’s sad bc that happens with a lot of other yters as well where they accuse Dream of doing crimes without evidence but everyone believes them while Dream provides evidence
@@davidputra1635 they are not actually, it's not tommy CURRENT editors ( and his actual editors confirmed that the discord group with all the others exist) it's old ones that used fans to help because tommy wasn't much involved with his editing process, and the one about pay were about Jack, Dream Even named the file "jacklowpay.png" and showed it in the video, and he even put a big bold white text on top saying ( this is about Tommy's friends with good heart" to get it across. And the cropping is not changing any context either because the "I didn't" that was cut is irrelevant since the "I'm thinking" showed in the edited one already imply that he didn't actually do it just considered. It's not very clear there and now less so with all the tommy defenders and lurker that took surface info and spread it with others meaning and less of the facts that truly happened so Dream's proof would be discredited. He is bad for not explaining things properly and taking shortcut thinking everyone would get his logic and process and caused everything to be easily misunderstood and even more easily twisted to be spread as false with minimal effort. But that's not lying or showing false things, that's just being very bad at explaining himself as always
The stuff that Dream used as evidence was already debunked by Tommy's editors, Tubbo and others Tommy's evidence was confirmed by not only him, but a lot of creators who have known Dream for a long time
About the Ludwig situation, the girl that Dream called that, her name is Adrianna Lee, she actually thinks it was just a joke and doesn’t even care. She also states that the people who spread the news weren’t even her friends nor talked with her. Edit: Adrianna wasn't Luds friend that Dream called that. She was actually Robbo's (Tubbos friend) friend, so she was actually talking about Robbo.
@@ForestOcean229 yup exactly, "the tsk tsk whore" story is what AdrianNah lee was talking about, she said it was that text and another instance where they joked like that with Dream calling her whore with others around and they took offense for her while she was chill with it and still use that for rumours While concerning Ludwig we don't know anything else but that he revealed ,after spreading it as dream " calling random woman wh*re jokingly and making them uncomfortable" , in a podcast 2 to 3 days ago idk exactly, That the friend he was talking about is actually Also Dream's friend. We know nothing more since it was not shared so yeah you are right :'/
Just to let you know, Tubbo and Dream streamed talking to each other sometime last week, I'm not sure exactly when, but they went over a lot of the criticisms that Tubbo made on Dream's video that he posted.
@@Omega_WoIf yes yes , if he wants to maybe he could make a video about it too especially since he seems reliable to condense and Relay the infos in there
i like how tommy played the victim the second dream lashed out after like a year of tommy and jack d riding him and making allegations (like the narcissist one). crazy how no one didnt have a problem with it until dream finally responded
Fucking for real. Dream didnt even do any of the belittling things tommy suggested he did and he isnt showing any proof for it either. As for Dream where he shows evidence of Tommy speaking of him like a saviour. Because he essentially was. Imagine having someone practically build your whole carrier and then backstabbing them for some clout. Shameless He's still an emotional child
😂 yeah Tommyinnit is just such a parasite like he will join you when he needs you eat up from you and then bro is gonna abandon you such a rat of a character
All Tommy did was prove one of dreams points which in itself is fucked up, like can’t you just say what your response is even for a bit because it’s a damn podcast. Scummy shit I’ve seen from this “Savior of TH-cam”
He's the opposite of a saviour, he's an extreme narcissist who backstabs and betrays his friends for more power and money, and pretends to larp as a saint and preach about how good he is.
@@Agent_125 Agree!, Tommys whole career is standing thanks to dream, unless he invited tommy to DSMP, tommy will be in college getting bullied by older students. Not to mention that most of things tommy said were false and dream proved (I am not believing dream either but anyway) Not to mention what dream said about tommys fans is true as well
Tbh I feel like it’s crazy how many ppl r saying tommy is mature where all he did was say “dream bad” that almost everyone says rn, I don’t think he’s bad but he’s not that great either.
both are just so petty but i feel like tommy is way more petty and acts like he's entirely in the right. honestly if dream chilled out a bit and like actually thought more about how he should respond hed probably "win" the drama. but both of them are such jokes lmao.
I think people just believe tommyinnit and jack because they already hate dream if they see a chance to bring him down they will I am just always eating for your next video to see what happens and btw keep up the good videos👍
@@novaextras Wouldn't consider him a good guy, but not a bad one either. The way he goes about communicating problems though is draining, neither of them are really handling this well, but at least in my opinion Dream is over indulging himself with this whole banter. Additionally, he is currently 25. Grown enough to make more mature decisions than how he's handled it all. Again that is my take on the situation, seeing as I have tuned in to a few hours of dreams rambles, and what tom has publicly said.
I used to think that Tommyinnit was actually in the right here because at least he hadn't lied on his video. But like, this is straight up scummy and a horrible response, and he just burned all the good reputation he still had in my eyes. Dream wins.
yall need to see tubbo literally debunking every “proof” dream has, dream is the definition of victim complex. YALL DO ALOT OF TALKING BUT NOT ENOUGH RESEARCHING.
Those invoices were wrong evidence, but Deram didn't get them himself. He got them from the Coffeezilla video about the merch company. So, it is still incorrect and should have been double-checked, but he trusted Coffee as the source before using it
@ No, I believe Coffee’s video. I’m just talking about those two specific photos. Dream said in his livestream that he didn’t have the entire invoices, and he got them from Coffee’s video. Both can be true
I honestly think that tommy needs to take a freaking joke like come on, you've been joking about Dream being a pedo (talking about sensitive topics) and then try to make money in the most disgusting way
Tommy has been talking sh*t about dream for a year now, without dream responding also tommy made loads of allegations of dream that never were proven true and just any chance to bring dream down he has taken, when Tommy himself hasn't been an angel, also making jokes about insensitve stuff. Tommy is very petty and dream certaintly isn't that great either but I also would get fed up if someone constantly brought up my name to shame me publicly and have their fans attack me every day for over a year. What annoys me most is that Tommy acts like he's is ALWAYS right and above dream, just don't like that attitude especially brought to the internet with his whole fandom really hating, like tommy preaches he has matured but doesn't behave that way really, why are we surprised dream finally responded(not in a good way but I'm sure the fans of tommy has been harassing him for a while)
with the merch company thing, it wasn't disproofed by tubbo. tubbo says (about the invoices) "that's not an accurate example of creators being scammed" and while maybe these invoices aren't the perfect example, creators and many fans were still scammed. Revolt is known for being a terrible company that many Cc's had problems with including Tubbo. Tubbo himself even confirmed that he knows that this company (revolt) used child labour in the conversation stream with Dream, Dream has experience with merch companies and emailed with this company, and even if they used child labour just this ONE instance (that tubbo knows of) they still worked with child labourers so dream didn't lie. Imo people saying that this part of Dreams video is a lie just haven't watched coffeezillas video.
so why havent people piped up when people been sponsored by samsung or apple who have a history of using child labours. Oh wait its not the youtubers fault. Even tubbo exposed 99% of dreams video to be on lies. the invoice was tubbos not tommies as dream claims thats in the coffeezillas video
Actually the invoices were a random clips from coffeszilla video and tubbo agreed with Dream on this after talking it was not meant as proof at all And Tubbo actually CONFIRMED that the company TommyInnit worked with worked with child labors! And the editors thing was wonky but tubbo and dream agreed that it was about jack editors and not tommy in the screen, tommy old editors said that they use fans ti help since tommy was not involved and he explained what' he mean to tubbo in the their discussion stream. He is fully in the wrong for not explaining properly cause that caused a lot of misunderstanding but there was no lies in that videos as far as we now know
@editorargo in the same cropped screenshot there's "I'm thinking" showing that he didn't actually did it just considered. The part you are talking about don't add nor take away any actual context it's just used as arguments because there's nothing else to grab. Point in case in you knowing what was cropped more than what was in the screen showed because people have been talking about it more to try and invalidate and maliciously change the point made so it would look more like a lie as you are saying
@@shishineraoiba oops that was my bad, didn't read it properly. dream said on his video though that tommy was "...getting fans to edit the videos for free", which is probably why I got it wrong. thanks for clearing this up 🙏
@editorargo no problem you're welcome ! And yeah it's probably why , he didn't explain properly the video was produced fast and as short as possible yes but he should have tried to word things properly so people wouldn't misunderstand easily ( and with the number of people trying to find the crumbs in his life he should have been aware they would in this too and prepare, he didn't and clarified on Reddit but people won't go find it by themselves for sure) so don't worry and have a great day !
I want to repeat what Tubbo said. *There was an instance of child labour, in one of the factories, after most youtubers had already signed agreements.* Also, legally, Tommy can not talk about it! Plus, I highly doubt it was him that decided on where to create the items. More so, a member of his team behind the scenes.
I just want to give my opinion on this but i have 3 things first 1.) Personally both parties are not fully in the right 2.) I am a fan of Tommyinnit and not a huge fan of dream, so i might be/probably biased 3.) Im going to say what I think each person was right or wrong for doing What Tommy Did Right: I get why tommy didn't give evidence which is mainly because of what he said in his podcast, it was just a message to dream or a conversation between just the two of them, he didn't need to back things up because according to him dream knows what he's done which I can get. Tommy doesn't have to cite his sources if what he's saying is just private things. What Tommy did wrong: If your not going to cite your sources don't post about it on your youtube channel of 15m subs, it stirs drama and makes you look stupid whether intentional or not. I also think now that he dug this hole pay walling talking about dream wasn't the best. I mean I watch shut up In talking, I really like it, but pay walling another response is well kinda shitty in away. What Dream did right: Even though dream did do something real bad, his response to Tommy's video wasn't too immature, he put in evidence or at least tried to find true evidence to prove to people influenced by Tommy's video to hate on dream that not everything is true of what tommy said. What Dream did wrong: The r slur. aw jeez dream, you cant say that dream aw jeez. but seriously that was bad. Also just like what I said with tommy, they could have just kept there opinons of each other to themselves, they both look really immature. Take away: both did some things bad, some things good, but both should have just kept there mouths shut Note: I still like tommy, and still dont like dream. This "drama" doesnt change that cus its stupid.
as someone who is always likes tommyinnit more than dream but is trying to be on a non biased side. Dream has autism and adhd so he is allowed to say the r word. Albeit it was stupid of him to post that post in the first place which from what i remember he admitted but he is neurodivergent which means he can reclaim it. Dream did say on his live though first thing that he shouldnt of called that 15m ppl from what i remember. correct me if i am wrong though
@@ThatGuyJman. Thank you for being reasonable it's really the first time I see a tommy fans making a comment and opinion informed and unbiased on this 😭♥️ I agree with you on nearly everything, just kinda disagree with the point of tommy not needing to cite sources or give proof with claims he is saying, maybe Dream, and I say maybe, know what he is talking about if it's true, but in the case where it's just rumours and things he heard ( since they never met and everything they know of each other are from online private and public interaction there's no way he don't have proof if it happened the only way for it to make sense is tommy being so convinced of rumours and things he heard or were said to him that have happened that he consider it the truth when it's could just be false and rumours you know) so unless he show proof I'm not going to believe what he said but I'm staying skeptical in case ( it helps since tubbo was unable to give any exemples except the "wh*re joke he does with all of his close friends, men or women and even his cats so his version is consistant with what we can see already see online) so unless he proves it with real examples it's just rumours he wants to air out as facts to the public for me. But on all the rest I agree ( and it's good that at least he finally learned that even with autism and adhd he should not use the R-slur to insult people that's not how reclaiming work and he should not stoop as low as Cantu and others ccs with the use of that )
@yawchiiksss oh its no problem, i can agree with what you said, I just think if what tommy is saying has no backbone and is just here say it doesnt need evidence, he can believe what he wants. but that means people should know its just his opinion and not all fact. Also thanks for the lovely comment.
From the little I’ve seen about dream and tommy. Dream seems narcissistic in nature due to fame and he seems extremely egotistical from past controversies. Dream has also been proven to have lied about a lot in this controversy and in past ones. Tommy seems to not actually be real online, he definitely puts on a persona. All tommy cares about is clicks and views and if he has to be hypocritical or manipulative to get that he will bc let’s be honest Tommy wouldn’t actually care if someone said the r slur based of his other jokes.
dream has not lied about anything, and what exactly has he been egotistical about? this man didn't stream the dsmp so that other streamers would get views, he hasn't made a penny off of the dsmp, and he never even brought up the fact that he helped tommy for youtube (expecting nothing in return btw) until tommy himself brought it up and LIED that dream was holding it over his head. you could find clips of dream doing the literal opposite, so it's truly stupid to just latch onto such lies about DREAM being egotistical when tommy is right there.
@@cupbluee Preach. Truth is, and they mentioned this "He talks weird"... Which is what it all comes down to and the problems they have with him. When he over explains he sounds guilty. They're hating on him for his autism. Because yeah, he talks like he has autism.
@@cupblueeYou are claiming the man that heavily cropped disc messages to paint Tommyinnit in a worse light is the victim. Dream lies, a lot. And has fabricated evidence. All from his cheating to this. The editor that was only paid 50 wasn't even employed by Tommy, they were employed by someone called Jack. The editor sweatshop thing didn't even happen, it was two people talking about how a different ccs fans were helping with timestamps and one of the people had an IDEA to try the same with Tommyinnit fans. You are actively defending the person who called someone's fanbase the r-slur while throwing a tantrum. There is also something else about Dream calling two different women whores, idk the context but I know Ludwig spoke about one, and Dream texted him about a completely different woman trying to "explain"
This video is so funny. Tommy already responded to Dream! + he admitted in his non patreon video that he didn't want to continue this further (minus what had already been recorded). Don't believe me? Watch the video. Still don't believe that Tommy responded? Watch his video titled "Dream." I'm not sure why this video is acting like Tommy hasn’t alreadly responded and admitted the Drama is stupid.
Dude talking about Dream on his podcast isn't a response, Tommy already made his response to Dream on the video on his main channel and Dream replied to it lying and playing victim You should watch the Tubbo vs Dream debate, Tubbo makes a lot of good points on it and it's very informative to hear 👍
tubbo didnt make good points, hes just being biased towards tommy the whole time, he basically said that child labour wasnt even that bad compared to dream being "manipulative" and "mysoginistic" even though there was no proof. the shit he was accusing dream was so dumb, there was just no proof of anything
@cupbluee ??? So when did Tubbo say that Child labour wasn't that bad compared to Dream?? Also Tubbo was on Tommy's side obviously, not only because it's his friend, but because Tubbo watched all of Dream's responses and had experienced his behaviour throughout the years, i'm pretty sure that he would know who to be with
Nice! I'm sure someone's mentioned it somewhere, but those invoices were in the Coffeezilla video.. but its irrelevant anyway since Dream's point was just that the merch company was scammy which was in reply to Tommy dissing Dream's merch. Great video.
This drama is really sad and from my understanding it’s just 2 man children saying things that they can’t prove. It honestly should have stayed private cause tommy and dream fans are gonna blindly support their creator no matter what they say making the mc community less welcoming. IDC who did what because the way they both handled this is pathetic and they both are dicks.
“They disgustingly, told people to pay for their thoughts on a drama.” Bro it’s such a small deal. It is not disgusting. They are not putting water behind a pay wall.
@@productofmud7636yeah I agree. Personally I still think it's a little scummy to try and manipulate people into buying your podcast which is an absurd price but still not that bad. Just cancel lol
6:30 What? Didnt this whole useless drama started because Dream called Tommy fans the r word and Tommy defended his fans and said its not right to call people the word? So they really dont care about people being called the r word, they only care about being right in the eyes of the people.
Tommy has been talking sh*t about dream for a year now, without dream responding also tommy made loads of allegations of dream that never were proven true and just any chance to bring dream down he has taken, when Tommy himself hasn't been an angel, also making jokes about insensitve stuff. Tommy is very petty and dream certaintly isn't that great either but I also would get fed up if someone constantly brought up my name to shame me publicly and have their fans attack me every day for over a year. What annoys me most is that Tommy acts like he's is ALWAYS right and above dream, just don't like that attitude especially brought to the internet with his whole fandom really hating, like tommy preaches he has matured but doesn't behave that way really, why are we surprised dream finally responded(not in a good way but I'm sure the fans of tommy has been harassing him for a while)
@@Lexi2015-fYou are claiming the man that heavily cropped disc messages to paint Tommyinnit in a worse light is the victim. Dream lies, a lot. And has fabricated evidence. All from his cheating to this. The editor that was only paid 50 wasn't even employed by Tommy, they were employed by someone called Jack. The editor sweatshop thing didn't even happen, it was two people talking about how a different ccs fans were helping with timestamps and one of the people had an IDEA to try the same with Tommyinnit fans. You are actively defending the person who called someone's fanbase the r-slur while throwing a tantrum. There is also something else about Dream calling two different women whores, idk the context but I know Ludwig spoke about one, and Dream texted him about a completely different woman trying to "explain"
@ sure dude, like I said dream ain't good but also said Tommy isn't innocent and DOES talk sh*t for over a year with his FANBASE attacking dream every day, THAT IS AN EXPLANATION for dream calling TOMMY'S FANBASE the r-word, is it right no but don't kid yourself and be honest, you would feel hatred for a fanbase that's actively ATTACKING YOU FOR OVER A YEAR. Also Tommy HAS MADE allegations and has said things about dream that aren't true or are more his opinion. Like I said the stuff he does have proof of, dream has done, but saying things like dream is a s*xual abuser are wrong and proven to be false claims. Like I said nobody should be surprised DREAM CAME AFTER HIS FANBASE LIKE THAT. Dream is also the personality to say things without thinking which is a bad quality to have. I am not throwing an tantrum but you can call it what you want if it makes it better for you, sure doesn't affect me. I NEVER defended dream on the actions that were proven and where he did wrong, YOU seem to not have read where I literally said it wasn't good to call them the r-word. I GAVE AN EXPLANATION and also my personal opinion of tommy. We are talking about this situation not situation that happened beforehand. I have never once spoken about the messages, you do really enjoy to put words in people's mouths, please read something thoroughly before you respond.
Let's be real, this whole situation is dumb. Tommy and some his friends are profiting off of this situation and Dream doesn't realise how immature his character and behaviour is, as shown these past 5 years. Sure, Tommy making pedophile jokes on Dream at the time when he was allegedly falsely being accused was VERY messed up and should deserve big criticism and people don't realise that. However Dream responding with that tweet on his main account insulting all tommy fans with a slur was definitely not the move and also should be criticised, not to mention the wild accusations he's made on his video as a response to tommy. If anything, the only thing that would make sense of this drama is probably this being just a HUGE fake drama for a reunion of the Dream SMP CCs which is probably impossible but would make it funny imo
Yeah, this drama is stupid, and I lost respect for every dsmp member. If these two and Tommy's friends are immature, then everyone on that server is immature(except for techno). I also went back to watching vanossgaming as I think he's much more mature than these bozos. If they want my respect, then they have to earn it through growing up and reconciling. This is the only way I'll ever respect them again.
Great video, but at 5:30 those invoices were supposed to be b-roll and confirmed to be such by Dream. I found this out originally when I was thinking about how he could get these invoices from someone who doesn't have contact with him, and then I realized. I think Dream presented it horribly and made it seem like these were the actual invoices when they're not.
The invoice literally says “car rental”. Everyone knows that aren’t “the invoices”. Tho it doesn’t matter since tommy pays them regardless. In light it’s a irrelevant point that tubbo used to change the subject
@@Locky_Games yeah he presented things horribly by not at least checking what was in the random 10s clip he took from coffeszilla video for the background, in his defense he couldn't have imagined people would focus on a detail he didn't see to discredit him but he should have been more careful since it's not his first rodeo
I agree with you pretty much completely - this all shouldve been handled privately and both sides are in the wrong But what hurts me the most is that Tommy is just trying to profit off of this and the vast majority of the Minecraft "community" just blatantly follows his word because most of them hate Dream And I dont like Tommy nor Dream act/respond to stuff, but I just think Dream has the upper hand in this situation for (if anything) showing evidence and not putting his response behind a paywall...
Are you guys still talking about the false proof from the dream video? The heavily cropped disc messages? One who isnt even about tommy? Like, you guys are aware the full screenshots can be found on twitter, right? You guys actually do research into this shit, right? This is just a narcissist trying to drag anyone down with him.
youre making such a fool of yourself with this video lmao. yall are all falling for tommys bait its really not that serious.. you expect him to remain "mature" about dream accusing him of child labor with his little green minecraft character?
True, and Dream throwing tantrums left and right, making up shit with out of context "evidence", calling a fanbase a slur just cause he isn't getting his way. Like this is just a video protecting a fully grown manchild that will lie about anything
I think most Americans forgot that when a British oh shit about another, it mostly just banter in a joking way, never that serious. Plus to acknowledge a response over something personal, you might as well make it a bit private that a small community is willing to understand from even if you need to pay for it. And you might as well make money out of it, even if the drama is very stupid.
excuse you, but "joking" about someone being a p*dophile, even when that person has repeatedly told them to stop does not make it "just british humour". im actually impressed it took this long for dream to snap
@@cupbluee Did you not watch the Patreon video all the way through? They literally said that they have not joked about Dream being a Pedo. And I'm sorry that I have to say this. This is the internet and it won't always turn out right.
then do you think dream was hallucinating when he messaged tommy to stop? dream posted the literal ss in his livestream. tommy never said dream lied about that in the texts, did he? tommy said (lied) that he wouldn't do it anymore but still continued. and if dream lied about tommy joking about this he would be torn apart on twt but he wasn't, they were nitpicking other things but not this cause they knew dream was telling the truth when he said tommy made such innapropriate "jokes".
@ i’ll admit that I never watched Dream’s 3 hour live stream cause I have a life other than this dumb bullshit. But this whole thing is ridiculous because we’re taking a grown ass man (Dream) who thinks that this is school again and is using little pathetic lies to defend himself over someone who is younger than him (Tom) who has matured into an adult and decided that the Internet job is shit because of people like him. Tom has something better than dealing with this bullshit that Dream will ever will because of his huge ego and his head up his ass. Dream would’ve solve things privately, but ended up making those private conversations become public and that is ridiculous.
@@Anonymous-Alfredo 1. if you're not gonna get the facts, then stop acting like you're a professional on it 2. tommy acted like an 8 year old and blocked dream on everything, the made a public "message" video to him
Tommy has said that Dream was not nice to him at all when he was younger, which, if true, would explain (not excuse, mind you) his current behaviour towards dream. I side with Tubbo on this whole situation, dream AND tommy are being scummy to each other, and all of it is completely unnecessary. I do hope that Tommy can reflect on this some time in the future and recognize his wrongdoings and take accountability, as he’s said he’s open to change and criticism, but only time will tell :/
Well dream said he didn't care Abt tommy is drama and stuff he js let out his build up anger yo tommy cuz he was still making pedo jokes@@harrykrause2879
honest opinion: I think dream as a person is a whole lot worse than tommy. And i dont gaf abt this drama, clearly some internal stuff they shouldve handled in private. thas all, im tired of seeing this drama getting milked over and over
To be honest, I'm going to take everything that you're saying at face value because I cannot be bothered to check. You could just lie about everything and most people wouldn't know :/
I'm actually speecheless that everybody didn't see that coming, I mean, Tommy joined the DreamSMP because he was a king of drama, and this is no different, I just feel a bit disappointed that this is the path he is choosing to walk, I wasn't a really big fan of his, but watching his new content felt that he was alking away from those drama days, guess I was wrong. Obviously, this doesn't mean that Dream is fully innocent, and I still believe that they should have sorted these things in private. Funny to think that everything started because Dream posted that tweet.
dude, do you not realize that dream has had drama before? this is not the first time, and pointlessly pointing fingers is not helping, look at the evidence, not a 5 second reference from tommy's podcast. stop glazing dream, and look at the whole picture respectfully.
please do more research on this you missed alot about dream slurs and abusing child labor also texting someone mom as she going through a divorce to talk about drama with her son i cant stand tommy voice or dreams but seems like dream just wanna be seen again since he fell off as when he commented this he also promo this new video coming out
A lot of people called out on Dreams lies, TommyInnit's editors gave proof of Dream lying and Ludwig also gave proof of Dream lying. Dream just threw a video out without properly looking over the facts.
@@Blissolic True, but there are a lot of evidence on the internet proving dream lied about many things regarding TommyInnit. I'm more on TommyInnit's side on this, I do think your video is good though and I do agree that both are acting immature. Do what you do and maybe try to dig deeper on the things you want to cover, just a little heads up that you can choose what to do with
@@0CaptainZer0 talking about how tommy is being scummy and immature doesn't make it a "dream defender video", he literally pointed out how dream messed up with the invoices and got corrected by tubbo, why would someone trying to defend dream point out the inaccuracies in his claims? it's very immature that y'all try to make people pick sides when someone tries to lay out the facts in a video, they're both arguably shitty people and there's no "good side" to pick.
and my guy isnt trying to profit off a drama that in no way involves him by making multiple videos discussing it. You clearly put effort into it all, but its so unnecessary lol, just let it all die out at this point lol
Glad to see someone who think things rationally and not jump on the twitter herd. Personally I don't like both Dream and Tommy and I kinda started watching Tommy after his vapely thing but now I realised he is just playing victim card to promote his podcast
He literally always takes the most popular perspective and rolls with it. It’s how Blissolic maintains viewership. I’ve seen polls the proDream people are 71% while TommyInnit is at 29%.
Get him to 16k ONG
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I subbed, this commentary is so chill I really enjoyed this video ❤
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Truly said like a sad fuck
The Tommy vs Dream Situation is Not Insane.
The dream vs tommyinnit situation is just plain stupid
We need another pack release
it is *insanely* stupid (bad pun ig)
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Bro really copied the top comment of Dreams response video lmao
@@thepringleman_ unemployed individual here 🤓👆
Tommy is handling this the worst way possible, how can his fans really be with him?? This bias is really ridiculous
Dream: this is what happened, here are is evidence
Tommy:here is my side, no i'm not gonna give evidence
Tommy fans: well obviously tommy is tellling the truth
The stuff about the editors is false there are full screenshots of it and editors disproving it
It’s sad bc that happens with a lot of other yters as well where they accuse Dream of doing crimes without evidence but everyone believes them while Dream provides evidence
@@davidputra1635 they are not actually, it's not tommy CURRENT editors ( and his actual editors confirmed that the discord group with all the others exist) it's old ones that used fans to help because tommy wasn't much involved with his editing process, and the one about pay were about Jack, Dream Even named the file "jacklowpay.png" and showed it in the video, and he even put a big bold white text on top saying ( this is about Tommy's friends with good heart" to get it across. And the cropping is not changing any context either because the "I didn't" that was cut is irrelevant since the "I'm thinking" showed in the edited one already imply that he didn't actually do it just considered.
It's not very clear there and now less so with all the tommy defenders and lurker that took surface info and spread it with others meaning and less of the facts that truly happened so Dream's proof would be discredited.
He is bad for not explaining things properly and taking shortcut thinking everyone would get his logic and process and caused everything to be easily misunderstood and even more easily twisted to be spread as false with minimal effort. But that's not lying or showing false things, that's just being very bad at explaining himself as always
Dream literally skewed the evidence and removed tweets that could be considered tommys would be evidence, go watch the tubbo streams
The stuff that Dream used as evidence was already debunked by Tommy's editors, Tubbo and others
Tommy's evidence was confirmed by not only him, but a lot of creators who have known Dream for a long time
About the Ludwig situation, the girl that Dream called that, her name is Adrianna Lee, she actually thinks it was just a joke and doesn’t even care. She also states that the people who spread the news weren’t even her friends nor talked with her. Edit: Adrianna wasn't Luds friend that Dream called that. She was actually Robbo's (Tubbos friend) friend, so she was actually talking about Robbo.
Dang
@@ForestOcean229 yup exactly, "the tsk tsk whore" story is what AdrianNah lee was talking about, she said it was that text and another instance where they joked like that with Dream calling her whore with others around and they took offense for her while she was chill with it and still use that for rumours
While concerning Ludwig we don't know anything else but that he revealed ,after spreading it as dream " calling random woman wh*re jokingly and making them uncomfortable" , in a podcast 2 to 3 days ago idk exactly, That the friend he was talking about is actually Also Dream's friend. We know nothing more since it was not shared so yeah you are right :'/
Just to let you know, Tubbo and Dream streamed talking to each other sometime last week, I'm not sure exactly when, but they went over a lot of the criticisms that Tubbo made on Dream's video that he posted.
@@Omega_WoIf yes yes , if he wants to maybe he could make a video about it too especially since he seems reliable to condense and Relay the infos in there
i like how tommy played the victim the second dream lashed out after like a year of tommy and jack d riding him and making allegations (like the narcissist one). crazy how no one didnt have a problem with it until dream finally responded
theres a difference between responding and calling an entire fanbase a slur. I dont like tommyinnit at the moment, but dream was way out of line.
@@sugarrushjoe3621 A slur he can reclaim, calm your nuts
"b-but he was 16~"
bruh 16yo me would kill to have someone that help me grow to be a millionaire but talk shit about me online
16 year olds used to conquer cities now they cant even be trusted to tweet
Fucking for real. Dream didnt even do any of the belittling things tommy suggested he did and he isnt showing any proof for it either. As for Dream where he shows evidence of Tommy speaking of him like a saviour. Because he essentially was. Imagine having someone practically build your whole carrier and then backstabbing them for some clout. Shameless
He's still an emotional child
😂 yeah Tommyinnit is just such a parasite like he will join you when he needs you eat up from you and then bro is gonna abandon you such a rat of a character
@@TheFutsuusing old clips of him was manipulation 💀💀 he literally is using clips of tommy when he was grateful yall are some dream d riders
@BonBon069 if showing proof is "manipulating" then you should rethink your choices
All Tommy did was prove one of dreams points which in itself is fucked up, like can’t you just say what your response is even for a bit because it’s a damn podcast.
Scummy shit I’ve seen from this “Savior of TH-cam”
I mean tommy should respond to dreams video, unless it would be straight white flag for tommy's fans since tommy is not quit type youtuber
He's the opposite of a saviour, he's an extreme narcissist who backstabs and betrays his friends for more power and money, and pretends to larp as a saint and preach about how good he is.
@@Agent_125 Agree!, Tommys whole career is standing thanks to dream, unless he invited tommy to DSMP, tommy will be in college getting bullied by older students.
Not to mention that most of things tommy said were false and dream proved (I am not believing dream either but anyway) Not to mention what dream said about tommys fans is true as well
Watching drama ❌
Watching bed wars ✅
tommy and jack are like the logan paul and ksi of minecraft
LOL ACCURATE
Tbh I feel like it’s crazy how many ppl r saying tommy is mature where all he did was say “dream bad” that almost everyone says rn, I don’t think he’s bad but he’s not that great either.
Tom feels like the kid at the family function who cries when you accidentally look at him.
@ makes sense
He glazed himself the whole video, His product promotion bit is pathetic and made it all seem not genuine
Putting your response behind a paywall, you automatically have made the other side win.
So yeah, smart move there Tommy /sarc
both are just so petty but i feel like tommy is way more petty and acts like he's entirely in the right. honestly if dream chilled out a bit and like actually thought more about how he should respond hed probably "win" the drama. but both of them are such jokes lmao.
the most nothing burger "situation".. they couldve just talked in private dms..
Dream put more axioms and valid points in front of his audience, unlike Tommy, who once again is full of bs.
I think people just believe tommyinnit and jack because they already hate dream if they see a chance to bring him down they will I am just always eating for your next video to see what happens and btw keep up the good videos👍
Yeah, theyre so bias its crazy
TSIU, Tommyinnt has a hero complex.
Whats TSIU short for?
@@TheFutsu To Sum It Up
having people pay to listen to gossip is so funny
I just think we should all take break from this drama...
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Tommys bills cant be this high bruv 😭
not paying to watch a response, dream wins
LOL
Everyone just hates dream so much, but dont actually take the time to listen to what he has to say, dream is innocent, hes the good guy
@@novaextras Wouldn't consider him a good guy, but not a bad one either. The way he goes about communicating problems though is draining, neither of them are really handling this well, but at least in my opinion Dream is over indulging himself with this whole banter. Additionally, he is currently 25. Grown enough to make more mature decisions than how he's handled it all. Again that is my take on the situation, seeing as I have tuned in to a few hours of dreams rambles, and what tom has publicly said.
I used to think that Tommyinnit was actually in the right here because at least he hadn't lied on his video. But like, this is straight up scummy and a horrible response, and he just burned all the good reputation he still had in my eyes. Dream wins.
Mate I don't mean to be rude but neither of them shouldn't be in this conflict Dream shouldn't of called his fans r******ed @@Omegas_XB
yall need to see tubbo literally debunking every “proof” dream has, dream is the definition of victim complex. YALL DO ALOT OF TALKING BUT NOT ENOUGH RESEARCHING.
Dude why do we still have Internet drama in 2025 over the same people we did in 2020, can people grow tf up
Influencers figured out it's view profit, so why should they stop ?
That sad for sure but that's a way of seeing their true nature
Those invoices were wrong evidence, but Deram didn't get them himself. He got them from the Coffeezilla video about the merch company. So, it is still incorrect and should have been double-checked, but he trusted Coffee as the source before using it
are u accusing coffee of lying?
@ No, I believe Coffee’s video. I’m just talking about those two specific photos. Dream said in his livestream that he didn’t have the entire invoices, and he got them from Coffee’s video. Both can be true
In my opinion they are both being immature and both in the wrong. I dont like how either of them are going about it
I honestly think that tommy needs to take a freaking joke like come on, you've been joking about Dream being a pedo (talking about sensitive topics) and then try to make money in the most disgusting way
and the world kept spinning.
Tommy has been talking sh*t about dream for a year now, without dream responding also tommy made loads of allegations of dream that never were proven true and just any chance to bring dream down he has taken, when Tommy himself hasn't been an angel, also making jokes about insensitve stuff. Tommy is very petty and dream certaintly isn't that great either but I also would get fed up if someone constantly brought up my name to shame me publicly and have their fans attack me every day for over a year. What annoys me most is that Tommy acts like he's is ALWAYS right and above dream, just don't like that attitude especially brought to the internet with his whole fandom really hating, like tommy preaches he has matured but doesn't behave that way really, why are we surprised dream finally responded(not in a good way but I'm sure the fans of tommy has been harassing him for a while)
@@Lexi2015-f yeah I agree with everything you said here
Tommy just do this for views and also his fans are imature and blind tbh
Bro took one for the team. Respect+
Edit: OMG 1 LIKE IM FAMOUS! Wait... didn't I like my own comment... OMG IM SO SO FAMOUS!
lol
nice
a month ago I saw a video of how he didn't have any drama at all. Now Its 2025
with the merch company thing, it wasn't disproofed by tubbo. tubbo says (about the invoices) "that's not an accurate example of creators being scammed" and while maybe these invoices aren't the perfect example, creators and many fans were still scammed. Revolt is known for being a terrible company that many Cc's had problems with including Tubbo. Tubbo himself even confirmed that he knows that this company (revolt) used child labour in the conversation stream with Dream, Dream has experience with merch companies and emailed with this company, and even if they used child labour just this ONE instance (that tubbo knows of) they still worked with child labourers so dream didn't lie. Imo people saying that this part of Dreams video is a lie just haven't watched coffeezillas video.
so why havent people piped up when people been sponsored by samsung or apple who have a history of using child labours. Oh wait its not the youtubers fault. Even tubbo exposed 99% of dreams video to be on lies. the invoice was tubbos not tommies as dream claims thats in the coffeezillas video
Actually the invoices were a random clips from coffeszilla video and tubbo agreed with Dream on this after talking it was not meant as proof at all
And Tubbo actually CONFIRMED that the company TommyInnit worked with worked with child labors!
And the editors thing was wonky but tubbo and dream agreed that it was about jack editors and not tommy in the screen, tommy old editors said that they use fans ti help since tommy was not involved and he explained what' he mean to tubbo in the their discussion stream.
He is fully in the wrong for not explaining properly cause that caused a lot of misunderstanding but there was no lies in that videos as far as we now know
I feel like cropping out the part where he says "he didn't but" in Larry's message about the editor sweatshop would be malicious and a lie
@editorargo in the same cropped screenshot there's "I'm thinking" showing that he didn't actually did it just considered. The part you are talking about don't add nor take away any actual context it's just used as arguments because there's nothing else to grab. Point in case in you knowing what was cropped more than what was in the screen showed because people have been talking about it more to try and invalidate and maliciously change the point made so it would look more like a lie as you are saying
@@shishineraoiba oops that was my bad, didn't read it properly. dream said on his video though that tommy was "...getting fans to edit the videos for free", which is probably why I got it wrong. thanks for clearing this up 🙏
@editorargo no problem you're welcome ! And yeah it's probably why , he didn't explain properly the video was produced fast and as short as possible yes but he should have tried to word things properly so people wouldn't misunderstand easily ( and with the number of people trying to find the crumbs in his life he should have been aware they would in this too and prepare, he didn't and clarified on Reddit but people won't go find it by themselves for sure) so don't worry and have a great day !
I want to repeat what Tubbo said.
*There was an instance of child labour, in one of the factories, after most youtubers had already signed agreements.*
Also, legally, Tommy can not talk about it! Plus, I highly doubt it was him that decided on where to create the items. More so, a member of his team behind the scenes.
It's awesome to see a commentary channel being genuine and picking one side, but also understanding the other one. Good job at what you do!
I dont care how right tommy is anymore, if he's asking his audience to pay to see his response, dream automatically wins in my eyes.
you a real one for paying that 7 dollars.
I just want to give my opinion on this but i have 3 things first
1.) Personally both parties are not fully in the right
2.) I am a fan of Tommyinnit and not a huge fan of dream, so i might be/probably biased
3.) Im going to say what I think each person was right or wrong for doing
What Tommy Did Right: I get why tommy didn't give evidence which is mainly because of what he said in his podcast, it was just a message to dream or a conversation between just the two of them, he didn't need to back things up because according to him dream knows what he's done which I can get. Tommy doesn't have to cite his sources if what he's saying is just private things.
What Tommy did wrong: If your not going to cite your sources don't post about it on your youtube channel of 15m subs, it stirs drama and makes you look stupid whether intentional or not. I also think now that he dug this hole pay walling talking about dream wasn't the best. I mean I watch shut up In talking, I really like it, but pay walling another response is well kinda shitty in away.
What Dream did right: Even though dream did do something real bad, his response to Tommy's video wasn't too immature, he put in evidence or at least tried to find true evidence to prove to people influenced by Tommy's video to hate on dream that not everything is true of what tommy said.
What Dream did wrong: The r slur. aw jeez dream, you cant say that dream aw jeez. but seriously that was bad. Also just like what I said with tommy, they could have just kept there opinons of each other to themselves, they both look really immature.
Take away: both did some things bad, some things good, but both should have just kept there mouths shut
Note: I still like tommy, and still dont like dream. This "drama" doesnt change that cus its stupid.
as someone who is always likes tommyinnit more than dream but is trying to be on a non biased side. Dream has autism and adhd so he is allowed to say the r word. Albeit it was stupid of him to post that post in the first place which from what i remember he admitted but he is neurodivergent which means he can reclaim it. Dream did say on his live though first thing that he shouldnt of called that 15m ppl from what i remember. correct me if i am wrong though
@@ThatGuyJman. Thank you for being reasonable it's really the first time I see a tommy fans making a comment and opinion informed and unbiased on this 😭♥️
I agree with you on nearly everything, just kinda disagree with the point of tommy not needing to cite sources or give proof with claims he is saying, maybe Dream, and I say maybe, know what he is talking about if it's true, but in the case where it's just rumours and things he heard ( since they never met and everything they know of each other are from online private and public interaction there's no way he don't have proof if it happened the only way for it to make sense is tommy being so convinced of rumours and things he heard or were said to him that have happened that he consider it the truth when it's could just be false and rumours you know) so unless he show proof I'm not going to believe what he said but I'm staying skeptical in case ( it helps since tubbo was unable to give any exemples except the "wh*re joke he does with all of his close friends, men or women and even his cats so his version is consistant with what we can see already see online) so unless he proves it with real examples it's just rumours he wants to air out as facts to the public for me.
But on all the rest I agree ( and it's good that at least he finally learned that even with autism and adhd he should not use the R-slur to insult people that's not how reclaiming work and he should not stoop as low as Cantu and others ccs with the use of that )
@@vawchiiksss no you are correct as far as I know
@yawchiiksss oh its no problem, i can agree with what you said, I just think if what tommy is saying has no backbone and is just here say it doesnt need evidence, he can believe what he wants. but that means people should know its just his opinion and not all fact. Also thanks for the lovely comment.
From the little I’ve seen about dream and tommy. Dream seems narcissistic in nature due to fame and he seems extremely egotistical from past controversies. Dream has also been proven to have lied about a lot in this controversy and in past ones. Tommy seems to not actually be real online, he definitely puts on a persona. All tommy cares about is clicks and views and if he has to be hypocritical or manipulative to get that he will bc let’s be honest Tommy wouldn’t actually care if someone said the r slur based of his other jokes.
What has he lied about?
dream has not lied about anything, and what exactly has he been egotistical about? this man didn't stream the dsmp so that other streamers would get views, he hasn't made a penny off of the dsmp, and he never even brought up the fact that he helped tommy for youtube (expecting nothing in return btw) until tommy himself brought it up and LIED that dream was holding it over his head. you could find clips of dream doing the literal opposite, so it's truly stupid to just latch onto such lies about DREAM being egotistical when tommy is right there.
@@cupbluee Preach. Truth is, and they mentioned this "He talks weird"... Which is what it all comes down to and the problems they have with him. When he over explains he sounds guilty. They're hating on him for his autism. Because yeah, he talks like he has autism.
@@cupblueeYou are claiming the man that heavily cropped disc messages to paint Tommyinnit in a worse light is the victim. Dream lies, a lot. And has fabricated evidence. All from his cheating to this. The editor that was only paid 50 wasn't even employed by Tommy, they were employed by someone called Jack. The editor sweatshop thing didn't even happen, it was two people talking about how a different ccs fans were helping with timestamps and one of the people had an IDEA to try the same with Tommyinnit fans.
You are actively defending the person who called someone's fanbase the r-slur while throwing a tantrum.
There is also something else about Dream calling two different women whores, idk the context but I know Ludwig spoke about one, and Dream texted him about a completely different woman trying to "explain"
can someone PLEASE point out that tommyinnit is not a great guy either
people who argue over the internet get a fking life bruh who tf cares abt what sm1 said abt you online if there is no evidence
Why do i think dream and tommy are actually collaborating behind the scenes and are just making a fool of the audience nothing else but for money.
This video is so funny. Tommy already responded to Dream! + he admitted in his non patreon video that he didn't want to continue this further (minus what had already been recorded). Don't believe me? Watch the video. Still don't believe that Tommy responded? Watch his video titled "Dream."
I'm not sure why this video is acting like Tommy hasn’t alreadly responded and admitted the Drama is stupid.
I SAID THE SAME THING BUT GOT BACKLASH HOW DO U DO IT!
@@DiminuendoLOL litteraly I don't understand how is he not getting jumped for not having the popular trending attitude towards this all 😭💀
Dude talking about Dream on his podcast isn't a response, Tommy already made his response to Dream on the video on his main channel and Dream replied to it lying and playing victim
You should watch the Tubbo vs Dream debate, Tubbo makes a lot of good points on it and it's very informative to hear 👍
tubbo didnt make good points, hes just being biased towards tommy the whole time, he basically said that child labour wasnt even that bad compared to dream being "manipulative" and "mysoginistic" even though there was no proof. the shit he was accusing dream was so dumb, there was just no proof of anything
@cupbluee ??? So when did Tubbo say that Child labour wasn't that bad compared to Dream?? Also Tubbo was on Tommy's side obviously, not only because it's his friend, but because Tubbo watched all of Dream's responses and had experienced his behaviour throughout the years, i'm pretty sure that he would know who to be with
Nice! I'm sure someone's mentioned it somewhere, but those invoices were in the Coffeezilla video.. but its irrelevant anyway since Dream's point was just that the merch company was scammy which was in reply to Tommy dissing Dream's merch.
Great video.
I know we talking about the drama but can we talk about how absolutely insane that game was? Bro cooked every team without his bed or dying once
dream had to defend his kitten Donald Trump when the big bad evil tommyinnit was mean to him.
damn dream was right to call yall the r slur
Bro you could of just waited for someone to leak it
Literally a couple days ago: "Dream called Tommyinnit fans the r slur"
Now: Tommyinnits scummy response to dream
"Cross teaming will not be tolerated"
The way bliss says "You don't have to do that, cause I did it for you" sounds like it came straight out of a commercial.
This drama is really sad and from my understanding it’s just 2 man children saying things that they can’t prove. It honestly should have stayed private cause tommy and dream fans are gonna blindly support their creator no matter what they say making the mc community less welcoming. IDC who did what because the way they both handled this is pathetic and they both are dicks.
“They disgustingly, told people to pay for their thoughts on a drama.” Bro it’s such a small deal. It is not disgusting. They are not putting water behind a pay wall.
Also for calling him disgusting you repeat yourself so much to avoid getting to the point
@@productofmud7636yeah I agree. Personally I still think it's a little scummy to try and manipulate people into buying your podcast which is an absurd price but still not that bad. Just cancel lol
so true
What's your point? Why does it matter how je phrases it cuz in the end it's gonna be a negative thing anyways
6:30 What? Didnt this whole useless drama started because Dream called Tommy fans the r word and Tommy defended his fans and said its not right to call people the word? So they really dont care about people being called the r word, they only care about being right in the eyes of the people.
Tommy has been talking sh*t about dream for a year now, without dream responding also tommy made loads of allegations of dream that never were proven true and just any chance to bring dream down he has taken, when Tommy himself hasn't been an angel, also making jokes about insensitve stuff. Tommy is very petty and dream certaintly isn't that great either but I also would get fed up if someone constantly brought up my name to shame me publicly and have their fans attack me every day for over a year. What annoys me most is that Tommy acts like he's is ALWAYS right and above dream, just don't like that attitude especially brought to the internet with his whole fandom really hating, like tommy preaches he has matured but doesn't behave that way really, why are we surprised dream finally responded(not in a good way but I'm sure the fans of tommy has been harassing him for a while)
@@Lexi2015-fYou are claiming the man that heavily cropped disc messages to paint Tommyinnit in a worse light is the victim. Dream lies, a lot. And has fabricated evidence. All from his cheating to this. The editor that was only paid 50 wasn't even employed by Tommy, they were employed by someone called Jack. The editor sweatshop thing didn't even happen, it was two people talking about how a different ccs fans were helping with timestamps and one of the people had an IDEA to try the same with Tommyinnit fans.
You are actively defending the person who called someone's fanbase the r-slur while throwing a tantrum.
There is also something else about Dream calling two different women whores, idk the context but I know Ludwig spoke about one, and Dream texted him about a completely different woman trying to "explain"
@ sure dude, like I said dream ain't good but also said Tommy isn't innocent and DOES talk sh*t for over a year with his FANBASE attacking dream every day, THAT IS AN EXPLANATION for dream calling TOMMY'S FANBASE the r-word, is it right no but don't kid yourself and be honest, you would feel hatred for a fanbase that's actively ATTACKING YOU FOR OVER A YEAR. Also Tommy HAS MADE allegations and has said things about dream that aren't true or are more his opinion. Like I said the stuff he does have proof of, dream has done, but saying things like dream is a s*xual abuser are wrong and proven to be false claims. Like I said nobody should be surprised DREAM CAME AFTER HIS FANBASE LIKE THAT. Dream is also the personality to say things without thinking which is a bad quality to have. I am not throwing an tantrum but you can call it what you want if it makes it better for you, sure doesn't affect me. I NEVER defended dream on the actions that were proven and where he did wrong, YOU seem to not have read where I literally said it wasn't good to call them the r-word. I GAVE AN EXPLANATION and also my personal opinion of tommy. We are talking about this situation not situation that happened beforehand. I have never once spoken about the messages, you do really enjoy to put words in people's mouths, please read something thoroughly before you respond.
The INSANE TOMMYINNIT vs DREAM situation...
The most nothing drama
Man got mad cause they making money- also the podcast is for talking about their weeks and stuff- it’s not about dream
Tommy is a narcissist.
feel like tommy is gonna ask bliss to take this video down
Ik its a long one but you should watch the 3h30 vod of dream and tubbo talking live about this whole thing, it really clarified a lot of points for me
Let's be real, this whole situation is dumb.
Tommy and some his friends are profiting off of this situation and Dream doesn't realise how immature his character and behaviour is, as shown these past 5 years.
Sure, Tommy making pedophile jokes on Dream at the time when he was allegedly falsely being accused was VERY messed up and should deserve big criticism and people don't realise that. However Dream responding with that tweet on his main account insulting all tommy fans with a slur was definitely not the move and also should be criticised, not to mention the wild accusations he's made on his video as a response to tommy.
If anything, the only thing that would make sense of this drama is probably this being just a HUGE fake drama for a reunion of the Dream SMP CCs which is probably impossible but would make it funny imo
Yeah, this drama is stupid, and I lost respect for every dsmp member. If these two and Tommy's friends are immature, then everyone on that server is immature(except for techno). I also went back to watching vanossgaming as I think he's much more mature than these bozos. If they want my respect, then they have to earn it through growing up and reconciling. This is the only way I'll ever respect them again.
Dream drama in 2025 was not on my bingo card (I don’t even have a bingo card)
Bliss back with bangers
Great video, but at 5:30 those invoices were supposed to be b-roll and confirmed to be such by Dream. I found this out originally when I was thinking about how he could get these invoices from someone who doesn't have contact with him, and then I realized. I think Dream presented it horribly and made it seem like these were the actual invoices when they're not.
The invoice literally says “car rental”.
Everyone knows that aren’t “the invoices”.
Tho it doesn’t matter since tommy pays them regardless.
In light it’s a irrelevant point that tubbo used to change the subject
@@Locky_Games yeah he presented things horribly by not at least checking what was in the random 10s clip he took from coffeszilla video for the background, in his defense he couldn't have imagined people would focus on a detail he didn't see to discredit him but he should have been more careful since it's not his first rodeo
@@rakurai7367 yes yes absolutely !!
I agree with you pretty much completely - this all shouldve been handled privately and both sides are in the wrong
But what hurts me the most is that Tommy is just trying to profit off of this and the vast majority of the Minecraft "community" just blatantly follows his word because most of them hate Dream
And I dont like Tommy nor Dream act/respond to stuff, but I just think Dream has the upper hand in this situation for (if anything) showing evidence and not putting his response behind a paywall...
The question isn't "whats the good side". The question is if there even is a good side/better side
111 likes? let me make it 112! And thank you so much! You put it way simpler to understand what the fluff is going on!
Nice video, bro you need 16k now
spending $7 on tommyinnit patreon for the content is what dedication looks like ig
Are you guys still talking about the false proof from the dream video? The heavily cropped disc messages? One who isnt even about tommy? Like, you guys are aware the full screenshots can be found on twitter, right? You guys actually do research into this shit, right? This is just a narcissist trying to drag anyone down with him.
youre making such a fool of yourself with this video lmao. yall are all falling for tommys bait its really not that serious.. you expect him to remain "mature" about dream accusing him of child labor with his little green minecraft character?
True, and Dream throwing tantrums left and right, making up shit with out of context "evidence", calling a fanbase a slur just cause he isn't getting his way. Like this is just a video protecting a fully grown manchild that will lie about anything
i appreciate your view- but i don't think a podcast episode should be valued and judged as a formal response, given the context.
im gonna give you a like for spending the misfortune of $7 for the sake of everyone else
and i also agree with your takes for the record
There’s actually dream supporters??? 💀
I think most Americans forgot that when a British oh shit about another, it mostly just banter in a joking way, never that serious.
Plus to acknowledge a response over something personal, you might as well make it a bit private that a small community is willing to understand from even if you need to pay for it. And you might as well make money out of it, even if the drama is very stupid.
excuse you, but "joking" about someone being a p*dophile, even when that person has repeatedly told them to stop does not make it "just british humour". im actually impressed it took this long for dream to snap
@@cupbluee Did you not watch the Patreon video all the way through? They literally said that they have not joked about Dream being a Pedo.
And I'm sorry that I have to say this. This is the internet and it won't always turn out right.
then do you think dream was hallucinating when he messaged tommy to stop? dream posted the literal ss in his livestream. tommy never said dream lied about that in the texts, did he? tommy said (lied) that he wouldn't do it anymore but still continued. and if dream lied about tommy joking about this he would be torn apart on twt but he wasn't, they were nitpicking other things but not this cause they knew dream was telling the truth when he said tommy made such innapropriate "jokes".
@ i’ll admit that I never watched Dream’s 3 hour live stream cause I have a life other than this dumb bullshit.
But this whole thing is ridiculous because we’re taking a grown ass man (Dream) who thinks that this is school again and is using little pathetic lies to defend himself over someone who is younger than him (Tom) who has matured into an adult and decided that the Internet job is shit because of people like him. Tom has something better than dealing with this bullshit that Dream will ever will because of his huge ego and his head up his ass.
Dream would’ve solve things privately, but ended up making those private conversations become public and that is ridiculous.
@@Anonymous-Alfredo 1. if you're not gonna get the facts, then stop acting like you're a professional on it
2. tommy acted like an 8 year old and blocked dream on everything, the made a public "message" video to him
Tommy has said that Dream was not nice to him at all when he was younger, which, if true, would explain (not excuse, mind you) his current behaviour towards dream. I side with Tubbo on this whole situation, dream AND tommy are being scummy to each other, and all of it is completely unnecessary. I do hope that Tommy can reflect on this some time in the future and recognize his wrongdoings and take accountability, as he’s said he’s open to change and criticism, but only time will tell :/
Dream needs to stay out of drama and grow up and Tommy needs to grow up and stop trying to frame Dream for clicks. Very simple
Well dream said he didn't care Abt tommy is drama and stuff he js let out his build up anger yo tommy cuz he was still making pedo jokes@@harrykrause2879
oh damn, a small creator gonna be popular :O
honest opinion: I think dream as a person is a whole lot worse than tommy. And i dont gaf abt this drama, clearly some internal stuff they shouldve handled in private. thas all, im tired of seeing this drama getting milked over and over
They could have if Tommy wasn’t a child and blocked Dream lol
The thinking of the stupid
tommy can't even provide proof of anything while he's making drama just to save his worthless career, as worthless as ur opinion.
It's funny seeing all the "Idgaf about the drama!" People over multiple videos of the same drama
but u clicked on the video?
3:00 I DONT LIKE I DONT LIKE (I AM A SURGEON ENERGY)
Guess tommyinnit didn't really grow up huh
To be honest, I'm going to take everything that you're saying at face value because I cannot be bothered to check. You could just lie about everything and most people wouldn't know :/
I'm actually speecheless that everybody didn't see that coming, I mean, Tommy joined the DreamSMP because he was a king of drama, and this is no different, I just feel a bit disappointed that this is the path he is choosing to walk, I wasn't a really big fan of his, but watching his new content felt that he was alking away from those drama days, guess I was wrong. Obviously, this doesn't mean that Dream is fully innocent, and I still believe that they should have sorted these things in private.
Funny to think that everything started because Dream posted that tweet.
blissolic my fav bedwars TH-camr ngl
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dude, do you not realize that dream has had drama before? this is not the first time, and pointlessly pointing fingers is not helping, look at the evidence, not a 5 second reference from tommy's podcast. stop glazing dream, and look at the whole picture respectfully.
yoo plug what texture back is that bro
Just FYI you can clip paywalled content as long as you make it transformative which obviously you would.
please do more research on this you missed alot about dream slurs and abusing child labor also texting someone mom as she going through a divorce to talk about drama with her son i cant stand tommy voice or dreams but seems like dream just wanna be seen again since he fell off as when he commented this he also promo this new video coming out
A lot of that was in the 1st video Abt this controversy
Honestly, thx for keeping me up on this
Idk it used to be funny to hate on dream but now it’s not
A lot of people called out on Dreams lies, TommyInnit's editors gave proof of Dream lying and Ludwig also gave proof of Dream lying. Dream just threw a video out without properly looking over the facts.
Exactly a lot of immaturity and lack of facts on both sides
@@Blissolicthen stop making your video sound like a dream defender video
@@Blissolic True, but there are a lot of evidence on the internet proving dream lied about many things regarding TommyInnit. I'm more on TommyInnit's side on this, I do think your video is good though and I do agree that both are acting immature. Do what you do and maybe try to dig deeper on the things you want to cover, just a little heads up that you can choose what to do with
@@0CaptainZer0 talking about how tommy is being scummy and immature doesn't make it a "dream defender video", he literally pointed out how dream messed up with the invoices and got corrected by tubbo, why would someone trying to defend dream point out the inaccuracies in his claims? it's very immature that y'all try to make people pick sides when someone tries to lay out the facts in a video, they're both arguably shitty people and there's no "good side" to pick.
@spook.s_ its called PAS
this guys crazy on minecraft, dunno what he’s talking abt tho
Dumb and dumber fight to see who is the dumbest
and my guy isnt trying to profit off a drama that in no way involves him by making multiple videos discussing it. You clearly put effort into it all, but its so unnecessary lol, just let it all die out at this point lol
Lol welcome to commentary channel that wants to suck up to both fans of the drama
we are NOT CARING about this drama
biggest minecraft clip farm
Dude tysm for getting me mvp++
Glad to see someone who think things rationally and not jump on the twitter herd. Personally I don't like both Dream and Tommy and I kinda started watching Tommy after his vapely thing but now I realised he is just playing victim card to promote his podcast
He literally always takes the most popular perspective and rolls with it. It’s how Blissolic maintains viewership. I’ve seen polls the proDream people are 71% while TommyInnit is at 29%.
@@pigejebI will literally never escape the life steal community 😭
someone give this guy 7$
yeah