What media gets WRONG about pirates
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It's very often you find these TH-cam videos giving harsh critique to historical movies, and I mean negativity has its place, it's probably entertaining, but contrary to my clickbait title, I kinda want to be more constructive in this video. Contrary to what some of my viewers think, I don't necesserily dislike people who create stuff about pirates. In fact, as some of you have noticed, my videos are framed from a creative standpoint - I always try to present historical information so that it can be used for creative purposes.
#pirates #history #piratesofthecaribbean
Syphilis: "One night with Venus and a lifetime with Mercury."
Thats BRILLIANT.
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@@setituptoblowitup yeah I assumed as much considering syphilis is curable today, and venus/mercury would be pretty dated references for a modern allegory lol.
@@WillyOrcayou forgot about sympathy you know between shit and syphilis 80⚛️ probably dosent feel to good in the hole🕳️😂✌️
"Pirates like to drink rum and smoke tobacco" I think I'm a pirate
Get ready for the STDs and scurvy
Do you like hot cocoa
@@rambosimpson I did when I was a kid
@@PhantomEagle.. you’re a pirate :)
The hot chocolate done traditionally definitely has an interesting taste. It's so familiar, but yet so different.
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2:20 Also that tavern in pirates of the Caribbean should have been very smokey, I remember pubs in the UK before the smoking ban and the rooms were just filled with so much smoke, you could barely see the other end of the bar.
yeah plenty of period descriptions of what the taverns of the time looked like inside
...and you arent even thinking about non ...."Smoking" sources of smoke
Did some reading on taverns recently. Fascinating place. Lot of them carried instruments if anyone wanted to play, lute, violin that kinda thing.
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Thats how its done ey
One day you might have some bloke learning but okay
Next you have some travelling genius prodigy playing for free, for fun!
@@GoldandGunpowderhmm I do wonder if you will review certain one pice of media
Well said about pirates being liberators, or really them not being that. Celebration of pirates has always been a bit weird, many would rightfully call it idolization of figured like Jessie James but somehow Blackbeard and his ilk get a pass.
Conscionable or not, people are always gonna respect those who do or even take what they want. Maybe not so much "I admire them" as it is "I wish I had the guts to be like them."
I think people also appreciate the honesty in the brutality of pirates, the mafia, gunslingers, etc, compared to the government that effectively is far worse on a much larger scale but acts like they're on you're side.
Depending on the age we're talking about, there's degrees of "black and black morality" going on. Pirates are thieves and killers, indisputably, but when they're pillaging Spanish treasure ships, or English vessels carrying the productions of plantations, they're looting the products of whole slave economies.
Doesn't make the Pirates good guys by any stretch of the imagination, but to remove people slightly from various cultural biases, imagine instead one gang robbing some drug dealers.
I get a bit further in and he touches on this himself. Well played!
People have been idolising many criminals for a long time. Pirates, cowboys, mafia, yakuza, etc.
@@fudgepacker2858 Tell that to the millions receiving bribes from the government with the people's money
6:06 This is something I’ve also noticed with the way people treat Vikings nowadays, in games and shows, they’re glorified, seen as powerful, awesome and free, when really they were brutal killers and raiders preying on the weak and undefended, desecrating and plundering monasteries. But then when they do accept these things, they’ll still look at the Christians and say “look at those intolerant barbarians.”
This is only compounded by popular pagan channels softening and romanticising them further, while criticising Christianity for things they also did. I even heard one of them say “I don’t hate Christians, but Christians of the past were nasty.” Like you have any room to judge.
I’m not saying ‘Vikings’, more appropriately Danes were evil, they just shouldn’t be glorified as something amazing and awe-inspiring, when really they were just men, whose pagan religion was dying more and more (which is also something those pagan channels seethe at). Same with pirates, though their profession was explicitly criminal.
thing to note here is that half of vikings were peaceful merchants, and for half of the so-called viking age, they became increasingly more christian, until traditional viking raids were supplanted by anti-piracy operations against pagan peoples like the Wends, until finally supplanted by crusades. the first christian king to go on a crusade to Jerusalem was Sigurd Jorsalafari(Jerusalem-Traveller), for example. additionally, paganism lived on in scandinavia up until the modern day, and up until the reformation swedes basically practiced pagan syncretism, with deities such as Freya still being partly consuled for benefits which the Christian God might not be able to provide.
@@GoldandGunpowder Of course, Vikings were prolific merchants and explorers, but I mean the more popular idea of Vikings. When you think Viking you don’t think merchant, you think a big warrior with a big axe on a raid. You don’t roleplay a viking or write a viking and not eventually do the stereotypical viking thing, otherwise you’re just a Scandinavian. It’s good to then bring it back to reality wherein they were many things and in the end were just people, but the raider one is the one they’re gonna be most remembered for. Moreover ‘Viking’ wasn’t a tribe or clan or a nationality, it’s an action, you went on a raid therefore you are a raider.
I’ve always found Christian/Pagan or more appropriately Catholic/Pagan syncretism fascinating. Was the Freya thing a layman thing though? Like if you went official and headed over to your local bishop or priest and asked ‘hey can I ask Freya for a blessing’, how would they respond? Or was Freya turned into a Catholic Saint and as such seen as fine to pray to?
It's also worth mentioning runestones. Most of them are christian, contain mentions of God, crosses along with runes and scrollwork, and such. Runes in general continued to be used well into the 1800s and there are some who theorize that the common people were extensively literate in runes, but wrote on materials which haven't survived. There's a church on Gotland from the 1100s where the builders wrote their names with runes. And in the 17th century, one guy wanted to re-implement runes as a common alphabet, and had the common prayer printed in runes.
The Christian/Pagan syncreticism continued into the protestant era aswell to some degree, and it's mostly where Scandinavian folk tales originate from. For example people believed that nightmares were caused by an entity called "Mara" riding you at night(not as hot as it sounds). And from what I've heard the priesthood(both Catholic and protestant) did not approve of any of these old faiths. Truth be told I don't know too much about this topic, I might try to research it for a video on my second channel which is largely about vikings.
You only lost me at your last sentence. Viking is a job, not a people. And the job is to raid and pillage...so no less criminal than pirates
@@joshburns4863Eh, isn't "Viking" more of a sea adventuring which could be raiding OR trading, or a mix of both?
I loved the 1990 Treasure Island as a kid, and now I'm older I went back to it and it still holds up really well. When ever I'm on a cliff top looking over the coast, the soundtrack from this version of Treasure Island enters my head and I stand there with my best Oliver Reed impression looking out to sea. The people who composed the soundtrack were The Chieftains and they have many other wonderful soundtracks as well, very talented group.
I loved and still love that movie. It had a huge impact on me as a kid. You can probably attribute my love of pirate history to that movie.
Personally my favorite Treasure Island was the one with Robert Newton as Long John Silver. But I couldn't believe it when I saw the 90's one and Jim Hawkins was played by young Christian Bale.
@@danielmurdock9159that was closest to the book. And my favorite
I’m 66 and do living history, and I don’t know how many times I’ve read the book
you're definitely right about the smoking. whenever I go on an archaeological dig (in and around st. John's Newfoundland) I always manage to find some clay pipes
How do you know where to start digging?
@@AndrewJeffersonCotterhe gathered all the pieces of the map. X marks the spot
Come to think of it almost all of the pirates in black sails are clean shaven or wearing a moustache with some kind of soul patch! Yay to black sails for probably accidentally including this little historical detail
Fun video. We need more tobacco and chocolate in pirate media. Cheers!🏴☠️
I will definitely keep those aspect in mind as i am writting my pirate novel. Your channel is very instructive, and I found myself takings tons of notes while watchings your videos! I will definitely be there for the Q&A!
I would imagine that pirates also used hollow bones as pipes for smoking too. It’s just a very ubiquitous item.🤔
"Even in a poor country like Finland" Ouch that hit straight to my peasanthood
Short answer, everything.
Yeah, but perhaps almost all of us believed implicitly those were true.
My personal the most shocking fact is that the tricornes weren’t Golden Age of Piracy fashion…
I should admit humbly that I’m still utterly ignorant
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Most people don't find a source of true information about ANYTHING until they are at least 30. People talk of fake news, fake reports, fake history.
When in fact people are only just now starting to catch on. Even during the middle ages people didn't simply tell what happened, instead they tried to just tell it like its "a good story."
Not really... they sailed. They stole things. They killed people. They used guns and swords. They operated in the Caribbean (among other seas/oceans). They were outlaws. etc.
Not sure why such a hyperbolic comment is the top one on a channel like this that serves to debunk falsehoods.
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could a video on pirates of the Caribbean characters like, Will, Elizabeth, Cutler Becket , James Norrington, Hector Barbossa, and Davie Jones? similar to the one about Jack Sparrow. also what exactly happened to the children of pirates like Will Turner. Also could we get a video on Edward Kenway from Assassins creed because he is technically a pirate for a majority of Black flag.
I've explained what PoTC characters I will cover and why in a previous video
@@GoldandGunpowder ok
Man, you're making me want to sit down and get my pirate novel off my chest. Great channel!
Great presentation. That one section on shaving left me with a cartoon image of a bearded pirate getting is facial hair caught in a knot.
I liked your use of the words " gangsta style"
Any records on if snuff taking was common among pirates? I know its a far less common method of consuming tobacco than smoking, but I know snuff originates from the Americas. Curious because I'm a snuff taker myself and I got a few tins of Wilsons of Sharrow handy and the company was established in 1737.
Also I know snuff was more common for the aristocracy than the commoner, but I'm sure pirates would partake when it was available. Especially being smokeless in nature on a ship
Imagine getting a taste for smoking cocaine(Cocoa), chocolate, expensive tobacco and spices all at once
Thats got to be expensive back then
I was just in Genoa, saw the gaudy Neptune. Some fellow American tourists were in awe, so I told them that pirate ships were rarely quite like that, and to view your channel for some more down to earth and grounded content on the subject.
That’s good timing cause one of things I thought would be a good video idea was covering tobacco use by pirates/people in that age in general.
Yeah, let's speculate. Why does Captain Jack Sparrow, OF ALL PEOPLE, have a syphilis scar?
I have the upper class characters in my setting wearing tricorns, as well as the midranks of the only international merchant company, as a sign of being wealthy and also the future of the world. They wear the hat in a period accurate fashion, with a flat edge facing outwards.
Only a handful of other characters would own one and even then, it would show that they had been rich in the past or had stolen it. Some poorer gosvernors wouldn't own a tricorn.
17pm CEST is actually 11am EST, not 10am - we are currently on Daylight Saving Time until Nov. 5
Hay golden and gunpowder, could you do this? I know it has nothing to do with pirates but this is the Gem of naval warfare of this time period on the big screen. The movie is. (Masters and Commanders) Can you do a review on this movie because you know a lot about this topic and this movie gets a really rough review, because the topic is not known that well? The reason why I sent this request is because if anyone's gonna do it, you can do it the best because you know it.
Congrats on the 50K
Now I'm imagining pirates singing hot chocolate from Polar Express.
You should check out the video game "Pirate the Caribbean Hunt". It's pretty alright, though the story definitely encourages you to basically rush fleets and warships (ships of the line), you can ignore the story with little to no consequence. It is free, though being a mobile port is has some pay to win elements. It also has a sequel which takes a hard left into the supernatural. Overall it's pretty neat and I would love your opinion on it.
11:35 my friend also has yellowfever.
Will you be covering any of the large Chinese pirate fleets?
1:00 It's still going strong in the Balkans, in 1990s cigarettes were basically reserve currency
I don't know why it just struck me, but special operations military members are the pirates of today. Granted they still work for their respective governments, so are more of privateers, but the way they operate with small teams, their mentality on freedoms, and the way they lounge about when not doing actual serious work (which does not include training cos holy shit do they train often) reminds me of a lot of shipmates and Marines I worked with during my time in the Navy.
It rings true even more about drinking and smoking all the time. It was more chewing tobacco than actual smoking, but drinking is a staple of all branches, and even more so with the elite guys. They also use their newer additions as slaves how pirates did, with slightly less threats and more of a focus on hazing. And what many may consider the strangest parallel between them, there is also a huge fondness for hot chocolate in the military. The chocolate beverage from an MRE is hands down the best, and when you can use your heater to warm it, some people liken it sex...which is also another HUGE motivator in the military world. 😅
Big jump there, serving a nation state(often the most powerful) and directly obeying it's orders vs outlaws and rebels out for themselves.
Honestly kind of reminds me of the Cop and Military obsession with Punisher, a character who is *not* a cog in the state, and often loathes those that are(especially those that claim to emulate him) in his stories.
TLR is that elite state enforcers aren't rebels and outlaws. They're the Royal Marines who shot em.
@Joesolo13 that right there sounds like you haven't served, especially in the US military. In the US Navy, a substantial amount of naval tradition includes pirate tradition. Unlike the obsession with cops and the punisher, it's not a fanatical desire to kill vigilante style and break laws to change the system that military members are worried about. Most of us just do a job as a small cohesive unit, similar to how pirates conducted themselves centuries ago.
And, considering A LOT of earlier pirates were privateers, that shows these men may have fallen out with their home military, but continued to live by its discipline, just under their own guidance and not the supervision of a stuffy officer.
Media portrayal may not be the most accurate for both pirates and military today, but they take inspiration from the concept of being free and doing what you want. And I'm telling you, unless you know of any other group that still exists today, the closest I can think of, having physically served with and interacted with them, it's special operations warfare members.
Probably always clean shaven because before landing or meeting people shave and clean to go off the boat.
I'd like to see a video on Peter Easton. I know he's outside the golden age, but I'd like to see your take on him.
Nooooo, I'll be in basic training when you do the live stream.
When it came to slaves, I think a good case study is Bart Roberts in Africa. He burnt a slave ship when its owner refused to pay a ransom - with 80 enslaved people inside. To many or even most pirates, I think, slaves were considered cargo, not people.
I wonder if it’s true that most pirates couldn’t swim as I’ve heard some people claim …I find that hard to believe…seems like it would be a requirement..especially since many pirates had experience in the royal navy…I don’t know how that got started?
Also I don’t think your average pirate was afraid of the ocean ( Thalassophobia ) …or if he was at first he probably adapted and lost that fear as he got rewarded with money and goods…the risks at sea were worth the prizes ! 🍻💎🏴☠️
Maybe a landlubber recruit looking to get rich ( a farmer ) from the English Midlands for example…were more likely to not know how to swim as opposed to a man that was born and raised on a seaport.
Most sailors were not able to swim at the tim. In fact, they were discouraged from learnig. This was because rescueing men that fell overboard was not a practice back then.
As many times they fell during storms, after suffering accidents or during battles, drowning qwicly was seen as a mercifull death, as the alternatives were slowlly drowning, slavery/pressed into service by the enemy or amputation and gangrene.
Arrrrr, Jesse! We need to cook, matey!
(Sorry, i had to)
Bro, I'm trying to find an Video that was Super good, it debunked the Pirate Myths and Misconceptions and was really detailed, like differentiating The Pirate Queen from China and the actual Pirates in Europe as an example. The TH-camr who made it was also pretty damn mad as he corrected the TH-camrs who were spreading misinformation and disinformation as well.
Yes i used a lot of your videos to inspire and get right my dnd campaign hehehe
'Mark Twain' captured the spirit of all boys when, long ago, he wrote . . ."Now and then we had a hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be pirates.
- Life on the Mississippi
Did pirates have access to coffee?
nah hot chocolate was pretty much the coffee of the new world until the mid/late 1700s
What about a series on table top RPG like 7th sea by John Wick? It's way better than D&D for pirates and swashbuckling campaign! Greetings from Italy!
1:03 FINLAND MENTIONED
Why would Disney not put smoking in their Caribbean pirate series?
*Examines modern disney content* it seems to fit their intended market nowadays.. I would rather they put smoking in children's movies than the sorta stuff they do now :D yikes.
They don't stretch that much or eat devil fruit? :3
FINLAND MENTIONED!!!!
Anyone have a source on the image at 10:21? Trying to learn what year it’s from
What do you mean One Piece isn't historically accurate???
can't say never watched it
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7:50-8:06
There need to be more movies about pirate accountants, musicians, carpenters, and people going insane after the pirate surgeon injects them with horrible, period-accurate medical treatment
The pirates use schooner ship
We must forget that slavery is a spectrum, and YES indentured servants were a type of slave
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Excellent ☠️
Ironically the pirates from one piece get most of these right even including the smoking part though only through one character
Might as well count Smoker since he is borderline between pirate and Navy to the point of being unconventional by nature.
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Lol you said seamen
Pirates were already part of fiction and Legend during their original historical era. I for myself have accepted that there are two different "kinds" of Pirates. The romantic, more or less completely fictional Pirate and the historically accurate one. I love the first kind since I was a kid. Sabres, Treasures, Legends, and sailing ships that go BOOM. I still love them and want to be entertaind by storys and action and I have no problem with kitsch and clicheé, go for it. For the other, the accurate kind i watch documentaries or vids like this one. I love the historical accurate ones too, but I'm just aware and ok with the fact that they are two completely different pair of shoes. Nitpicking realism in products that are clearly and exclusively fantasy and entertainment is, well boring and pointless. "Those types of armor are completly unrealistic for that period said the Mage, hopped on his Dragon and flew away..." - love this channel btw, good and interresting stuff of the second kind :)
I got a silly question
Where does the name Jolly Roger come from?
He talks about possible origins in his video on jolly rogers
I try looking for it but couldn’t find it. Could you link the video ?
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Nicotine was cheaper than food. so it was encouraged to keep the masses happy and not hungry.
I’m sure Spaniards enjoyed a pipe or 2
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You mentioned that sea shanties as we know them did not exist, are sea shanties just a modern invention for movies? Where did the ones we hear now come from?
they didn't exist in the Golden Age of Piracy at all except for someone just calling out "row, row, row" or "one-two-three" to time a work order, in the late 18th century they became call and response work songs and eventually the shanties we know today, which are moreso used as regular songs rather than their original purpose as work songs, either way they have 0 to do with pirates
2:49 But he was a meanie-head to Nostaglia Critic! Why would I support somebody so evil? 😭
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it's ironic how the most chaotic and evil people in history (pirates) managed to build the perfect democratic/meritocratic society
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What about butt pirates? Can you make a video about that?
your uncle taught you all you need to know
I hope this addresses their sexuality as well
wtf
Huh ?
I think that's his way of saying he wants pirate porn
the kind of environment on a pirate ship is similar to the environment you would find in a prison, a bunch of hyper aggressive men in a confined space that go months without seeing a single woman ,
so yeah
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here is my version - britain tryed to make a propaganda against spain to rob their ships so they invented that storyes. ever writed a good books kind of "captain blood etc" to approove that banditism😂 so that is a real reason why reality is not meet infoinfluence😊
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