I believe I'm two of the four mags Chris repaired this year lol. Sending them out fixed a number of issues. I even gained over 100 rpm on full static. The trouble with having two mags, is that even if both are bad, they can hide each other's issues.
I really appreciate these videos with Chris. So informative, and he really knows his stuff. I've worked on cars and I never get tired. I've seen videos with chris, explaining how this engine works
It will always be more satisfying working with your hands and feeling/hearing what you are adjusting or doing than it will ever be putting numbers in a computer. With regards to adjusting carbs when dealing with idle speed or mixture, you can hear the most minute change in the A/F ratio just by your ear and feel it in the engines behavior.
I really enjoyed this video, Glen! You've got a great mechanic there. As an AME myself, (retired!) I would like to make his acquaintance someday. MVU is getting better all the time! Thank you for sharing this video! 👍
Are you SURE that Chris used “enough” tape to secure the angle indicator to the prop? It looked to me like there was room to put on just a little bit more😊.
I'm sure you're going to love the increase in reliability, and I suspect you will find better starting and a tiny bit more power too. know it's not the same, but I did a similar upgrade to ignition on an old 60s Dodge Dart, going from points to electronic ignition and it really did change the seat of the pants feel of the car and made a huge difference to drivability. I think you're going to notice some improvements as well.
When I added the electronic ignition to the other 'side' there was a huge increase in power and decrease in fuel burn. This new 'traditional' magneto will improve reliability over the old Case, for sure.
If the idle dropped that low after only upgrading that one mag, seems like its final position when snugged up isnt correct. Like turning the top on an old distributor - the most efficient point will yield the highest idle rpm. Should not have needed bumping up if its in the correct spot for timing. Id double check it, with upgraded ignition it should idle comfortably without encouragement. Congrats on having a century old tractor part staying on the ground where it belongs again :)
Did you put in the shot of the Moth being towed across the tarmac as a test for viewers? I’m afraid I only get partial credit. I recognized as a DH Moth, but can’t tell which model.
I put it in there since all day I was dancing around the apron with it. The museum at Edenvale did a few flights with paying passengers on that day so it was out and about. It's a DH.82A Tiger Moth C-GSTP, serial #86508 manufactured by Morris Motors in Cowley, England in 1943. Used by the RAF until 1946 and then transferred to the French Air Force.
Probably dumb questions, but why not a second electronic ignition? And isn’t the timing always going to be a little different between the two ignition systems? Love these videos!
Cost, weight and redundancy. The ElectroAir electronic ignition is STC'd to replace both magnetos on this engine. But in order to do that I would need to add another full sized battery (that makes it legal), and a suggested second alternator. That adds weight and a significant extra cost, for very little added improvement. Having an old school magneto on one side that will always provide spark if the prop is spinning adds a simplified redundancy, and significant cost savings.
You have just struck upon the crazy aspects of aircraft maintenance that I don't fully understand. I some instances bolts / nuts need to be safety wired, or a castle nut with a cotter pin, or a locking nut, with specified torque amounts. But in the case of this installation it's a nut with a lock washer tightened 'snug'.
I can't help but ask why Chris is by himself. Aviation technicians like him must be a highly valuable skill set. Wouldn't some young engineer/technician like to buy out his shop someday when Chris is ready to retire? That would make apprentice time highly valuable for a younger person who possessed the capabilities. Or maybe this is because there is not enough density in the area?
@@GlensHangar Hmm it seems so strange me at my age (60+) as I grew up in a world where the idea of being an apprentice to a highly skilled person was a sought after position. Now I'm thinking to myself that maybe this is a business opportunity for a kind of career match making service. Anyway I feel a bit distressed by not seeing someone work with Chris, that is a horrendous lost opportunity.
I could have put a second electronic ignition on that side. But the cost of the system and weight gain with the extra battery needed just wasn’t worth it.
@@jeromemotter4344 One shop said they might be able to rebuild - what I failed to mention is the cost of that one shop would be higher than buying a new one, and that if a specific part inside needed to be replaced, they wouldn't be able to do it. So no; I didn't want to deal with the hassle of shipping a part across the border and paying for something that might not actually be rebuilt. With that in mind, there is zero secondary market for a 65 year old Magneto that possibly can't be rebuilt, and certainly won't be able to be rebuilt on it's next 500 hour inspection. especially when newer more powerful, more reliable magnetos are available.
I have no idea what I'm talking about but my brain goes. We have a lot of solar flares. It's becoming more active. Can it ruin the airplane's magnetos?
It's a directfly.cz/?lang=en Someone at Edenvale bought a few of them and they came over in shipping containers. Chris was assembling them for the owner.
I don't remember, so I can't be sure but for some reason Univair comes to mind? The plane didn't come with a spinner so it is a new one that I bought to put on. Chris has all of the technical logs, so I don't have that info at my fingertips.
That is: Tiger Moth C-GSTP, serial #86508 manufactured by Morris Motors in Cowley, England in 1943. Used by the RAF until 1946 and then transferred to the French Air Force.
It’s jarring isn’t it? It’s slipping into the ATC vernacular here more and more, and I find myself repeating it back verbatim because that’s what you’re supposed to do, but when I edit these videos and I hear ‘Niner’ I cringe a little bit.
There are 100s of shops that rebuild magnetos - but none would rebuild a certified aircraft magneto of this age. Also that cross border shipping cost that I mentioned. (adding that Weaver isn’t a certified aircraft shop, so they can’t do the work even if they could)
@GlensHangar I completely agree on you replacing the mag the fact that they put updated parts in it makes it worth the trouble!!! Plus peace of mind!!! What's hilarious is that same model mag is probably still in thousands of tractors using the exact same parts but that little slip of paper gets ya!!!!
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I believe I'm two of the four mags Chris repaired this year lol. Sending them out fixed a number of issues. I even gained over 100 rpm on full static. The trouble with having two mags, is that even if both are bad, they can hide each other's issues.
Knowledge is taught. Wisdom is experience. Nothing like a trustworthy mechanic and friend. 😊
Glad you have a new magnito. What a friend you have in Chris.
AME here; I enjoy all of your videos, especially the ones with Chris.
Great video, Glen! Always a pleasure to see you and Chris. Plus the headset sounds great!!
I really appreciate these videos with Chris. So informative, and he really knows his stuff. I've worked on cars and I never get tired. I've seen videos with chris, explaining how this engine works
It will always be more satisfying working with your hands and feeling/hearing what you are adjusting or doing than it will ever be putting numbers in a computer. With regards to adjusting carbs when dealing with idle speed or mixture, you can hear the most minute change in the A/F ratio just by your ear and feel it in the engines behavior.
I really enjoyed this video, Glen! You've got a great mechanic there. As an AME myself, (retired!) I would like to make his acquaintance someday. MVU is getting better all the time! Thank you for sharing this video! 👍
Beautiful landing at the end there!
Are you SURE that Chris used “enough” tape to secure the angle indicator to the prop? It looked to me like there was room to put on just a little bit more😊.
I've watched him do it a few times, he never feels that the velcro designed to hold it on is snug enough.
I'm sure you're going to love the increase in reliability, and I suspect you will find better starting and a tiny bit more power too.
know it's not the same, but I did a similar upgrade to ignition on an old 60s Dodge Dart, going from points to electronic ignition and it really did change the seat of the pants feel of the car and made a huge difference to drivability. I think you're going to notice some improvements as well.
When I added the electronic ignition to the other 'side' there was a huge increase in power and decrease in fuel burn. This new 'traditional' magneto will improve reliability over the old Case, for sure.
Great video. I missed you coming in for a landing at CYOO that day I must have been at work and not in the backyard.
I’m terrible with engines but watching ppl who know a thing well is fascinating. Computers are more my speed.
Bonus Tiger Moth appearance!?! [I have a friend who's restoring an Aussie Tiger Moth - cool to see one on its gear!]
Very informative, along with some nice views. Great video! Thanks, Glen!
It's all beyond me, but great fun! Thanks👍
If the idle dropped that low after only upgrading that one mag, seems like its final position when snugged up isnt correct. Like turning the top on an old distributor - the most efficient point will yield the highest idle rpm. Should not have needed bumping up if its in the correct spot for timing.
Id double check it, with upgraded ignition it should idle comfortably without encouragement.
Congrats on having a century old tractor part staying on the ground where it belongs again :)
I may not have described what Chris did to 'fix' the idle in full detail, but it did involve moving the magneto slightly.
Golly that's a pretty plane you have!
Did you put in the shot of the Moth being towed across the tarmac as a test for viewers? I’m afraid I only get partial credit. I recognized as a DH Moth, but can’t tell which model.
I put it in there since all day I was dancing around the apron with it. The museum at Edenvale did a few flights with paying passengers on that day so it was out and about. It's a DH.82A Tiger Moth C-GSTP, serial #86508 manufactured by Morris Motors in Cowley, England in 1943. Used by the RAF until 1946 and then transferred to the French Air Force.
@ Cool. Thanks for the info.
cool vid GP!
We need to go flying!
Just a FYI, other than the flange mount and 6 cyl, your old Case mount looks very similar to the magneto on my 1936 Case CC
good job
15:27 I wonder where he's going: 1924?
Would you believe that was built in 1943 as a WW2 trainer - Crazy how aircraft overlap.
Wild.
Probably dumb questions, but why not a second electronic ignition? And isn’t the timing always going to be a little different between the two ignition systems? Love these videos!
Cost, weight and redundancy.
The ElectroAir electronic ignition is STC'd to replace both magnetos on this engine. But in order to do that I would need to add another full sized battery (that makes it legal), and a suggested second alternator. That adds weight and a significant extra cost, for very little added improvement.
Having an old school magneto on one side that will always provide spark if the prop is spinning adds a simplified redundancy, and significant cost savings.
I understood what the Mechanic did im old school. Glens new jet
G,day Glen from Sydney Australia. Did Chris torque the mag bolts and any Loctite © fluid?
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You have just struck upon the crazy aspects of aircraft maintenance that I don't fully understand.
I some instances bolts / nuts need to be safety wired, or a castle nut with a cotter pin, or a locking nut, with specified torque amounts. But in the case of this installation it's a nut with a lock washer tightened 'snug'.
I can't help but ask why Chris is by himself. Aviation technicians like him must be a highly valuable skill set. Wouldn't some young engineer/technician like to buy out his shop someday when Chris is ready to retire? That would make apprentice time highly valuable for a younger person who possessed the capabilities. Or maybe this is because there is not enough density in the area?
You’d think! But young apprentices are hard to come by.
@@GlensHangar Hmm it seems so strange me at my age (60+) as I grew up in a world where the idea of being an apprentice to a highly skilled person was a sought after position. Now I'm thinking to myself that maybe this is a business opportunity for a kind of career match making service. Anyway I feel a bit distressed by not seeing someone work with Chris, that is a horrendous lost opportunity.
Could you have gone with an electronic ignition on that one as well or did you have to keep one a magneto.
I could have put a second electronic ignition on that side. But the cost of the system and weight gain with the extra battery needed just wasn’t worth it.
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Are you able to use Automotive Plugs for the Electronic Mag?
Not the one I have - but I think some of the non-certified versions use auto plugs.
Was there a weight difference? Or did i miss that part of the video?
Total weight difference was 1 pound - almost insubstantial.
Cool upgrade...but saying the old one is unrebuildable is a bit lazy. sell it to someone who wants it.
If I sell it to someone else; what do you suppose they will do with it? It can no longer be used for it's intended purpose in an aircraft.
@GlensHangar what??? You even said they can be rebuilt. You just didn't want to deal with sending them to a shop outside your area.
@@jeromemotter4344 One shop said they might be able to rebuild - what I failed to mention is the cost of that one shop would be higher than buying a new one, and that if a specific part inside needed to be replaced, they wouldn't be able to do it.
So no; I didn't want to deal with the hassle of shipping a part across the border and paying for something that might not actually be rebuilt. With that in mind, there is zero secondary market for a 65 year old Magneto that possibly can't be rebuilt, and certainly won't be able to be rebuilt on it's next 500 hour inspection. especially when newer more powerful, more reliable magnetos are available.
I have no idea what I'm talking about but my brain goes. We have a lot of solar flares. It's becoming more active. Can it ruin the airplane's magnetos?
Not that I’m aware of?
What's the plane in the background?
It's a directfly.cz/?lang=en Someone at Edenvale bought a few of them and they came over in shipping containers. Chris was assembling them for the owner.
What spinner is that?
I don't remember, so I can't be sure but for some reason Univair comes to mind? The plane didn't come with a spinner so it is a new one that I bought to put on. Chris has all of the technical logs, so I don't have that info at my fingertips.
If I ever own a plane Chris is the only guy I would allow to work on it.
He's the only Canadian I trust. 😉
15:19 Is that a tiger moth ?
That is: Tiger Moth C-GSTP, serial #86508 manufactured by Morris Motors in Cowley, England in 1943. Used by the RAF until 1946 and then transferred to the French Air Force.
Every time I hear “niner” I get just a little bit annoyed
It’s jarring isn’t it? It’s slipping into the ATC vernacular here more and more, and I find myself repeating it back verbatim because that’s what you’re supposed to do, but when I edit these videos and I hear ‘Niner’ I cringe a little bit.
@ just to be clear, that wasn’t directed at you, it was directed at ATC and AWOS. You I could never get annoyed at
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Weaver Magneto in Shiloh Ohio does nothing but rebuild magnetos...
There are 100s of shops that rebuild magnetos - but none would rebuild a certified aircraft magneto of this age. Also that cross border shipping cost that I mentioned. (adding that Weaver isn’t a certified aircraft shop, so they can’t do the work even if they could)
@GlensHangar I completely agree on you replacing the mag the fact that they put updated parts in it makes it worth the trouble!!! Plus peace of mind!!! What's hilarious is that same model mag is probably still in thousands of tractors using the exact same parts but that little slip of paper gets ya!!!!