I've never had so much fun listening to a Linux podcast before. This is so much fun, guys! Also, Matt is so good at convincing; he could defend Hannah Montana as the best Linux distro
Help support the pod! patreon.com/thelinuxcast [time stamps] 00:00:00 Intro 00:01:34 Our Week in FOSS 00:01:42 Drew's Week in FOSS 00:02:23 Tyler's Weeks in FOSS 00:03:39 Nate's Week in FOSS 00:05:19 Matt's Week in FOSS 00:08:02 Debian vs Ubuntu vs Pop!OS 00:51:26 Nuggies of the Week 00:52:16 Drew's Nuggie 00:53:02 Nate's Nuggie 00:54:21 Tyler's Nuggie 00:55:45 Matt's Nuggie 00:57:13 Contact Info and Goodbyes
@@scottmorgan5212 Same, Cosmic not being a Franken-Gnome anymore will be great. I do wish Pop was based on Debian though. Would be nice to have a new hardware/gaming focused Debian distro.
@@wyfyj As a (very long term) Gentoo user myself (and perfectly happy with it), if Gentoo has any issues then it's usually BEFORE installation of a new package or update because of circular dependencies or having to change a USE flag. Once the package is installed a compiled properly against the libraries and other stuff it needs, the package also works okay. With binary distros, the problem usually occurs post-installation. I am sorry to say this but, in my experience, a lot of Linux creators and users are "their own worst enemies". They keep "chopping and changing" between distros without every committing to one distro long enough to learn it well enough - they get one issue, they get annoyed and bored with trying to fix it, and then just load another distro instead. In addition to that, that same group of people need to drop the "Windows Upgrade Upgrade Upgrade" mentality. Gentoo is an extremely stable and reliable distro if you stick to the "stable" release path - when you start going into "testing" for the very latest releases, then the time you spend managing USE flags and stopping circular dependencies is going to increase and get more complicated to resolve. I take the attitude that if an application does what I need it to then there's no reason to upgrades - for me, upgrades are there to fix security issues, bugs and, on rare occasions, provide a new feature that might be good for my workflow. Otherwise, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" is my mentality - and it makes my Linux experience fun and reasonably hassle-free.
I'm a Debian user, I've tried Ubuntu a bunch of times. Always had way more issues with Ubuntu, like recently, Docker breaking completely... Flatpak on Debian : 3 copy paste & its done come on...
Just went back to Debian as Ubuntu Studio upgrade failed for me because of a dog related power outage and I wasn't able to fix the broken install. On some other machines Ubuntu Studio also gave me problems upgrading, I was able to recover but still way less problems with Debian upgrades.
Never tried Suse. However, when an update "breaks" something on Arch, I learned the hard way not to try and fix it with a re-install. The bug is in the new version of something. Re-installing everything re-installs the new version. It'll be fixed in an update or two down the road. I get so tired of gnome apologists saying "It's just a different work flow than you're used to." Yeah, it's a less efficient and therefore inferior workflow. Including the variation that Ubuntu uses. Debian lets you uncheck gnome and select whatever Linux DE you want during the install. Just remember to uncheck "Debian Utilities" as well.
I use fedora KDE at the moment, but the _stupid_ hiberation doesn't work... Before, I had installed EndeavourOS, which had the same _flipping_ problem. That's why I swiched to fedora....
Always been a Debian fan. Rock solid. Never breaks. Once fully configured to your taste it will stay out of your way and you can just get on with using the computer. However to speed up the process, as backports and other niceties are enabled. I just install LMDE these days. If I use Cinnamon I may as well right?
negative points for pop: doesnt work on the latest vivobook keyboard out of box, battery life. positive points to ubuntu for "driver app install nvidia", positive points debian for stability, and negative points for arch btw :)
I tried ubuntu when i first started getting into linux. this is way back in 2016 it was good for its time but then trying it again in 2022 Ubuntu was slow trying other distros i cant go back and never will go back. snaps are awful i will die on that hill 😂
Debian has the worst user experience at installation and an even worse website, but once you get your GPU and other drivers set up, it is amazing. I've learned more about how linux works more in my six months with Debian than I have in my four years daily driving, Fedora, Ubuntu, Mint, and Pop OS. Debian is #1 for me.
@@TheLinuxCast Just got this from ChatGPT: "If Snap and Flatpak are "batteries included" app ecosystems, Nix is more like building your own power grid - and it’s incredibly satisfying once it’s up and running. Enjoy the journey with Nix - it’s an exciting ride!"
Tried ubuntu dozens of times before debian. Debian12. Yep, that long before. Ubuntu is slogish even on xfce, for a short description. For now, XFCE for my usage is top, #1 bar-none. Gnome and KDE will never cut it for me, no matter how many bling-bling flash-flash they add to them.... and making them slower and slower any next version (just like microsoft does LOL). I don't want my PC to look like a phone or an xbox or a TV. Simple enough. Debian runs well. I still have not ran into issues like it often happen with Arch (oh the keyrings.... those pesky arch keyrings) (...and they use HTTP servers to update them very "securely", while blasting to oblivion any next user who's not using HTTPS to browse the web. :|/
I don't understand why people are still having trouble with Nvidia drivers. Just sudo ./ the driver package and agree to everything it asks. And you'll have your driver. Like, how is that hard???
Well i installed debian and ubuntu on all of my machines easy i could not install pop os on 7 of my machines and i have 11 machines so pop os for me 3 place
in a nutshell, Debian vs Debian Fork vs Fork of Debian Fork :)
It is true
I've never had so much fun listening to a Linux podcast before. This is so much fun, guys! Also, Matt is so good at convincing; he could defend Hannah Montana as the best Linux distro
Help support the pod! patreon.com/thelinuxcast
[time stamps]
00:00:00 Intro
00:01:34 Our Week in FOSS
00:01:42 Drew's Week in FOSS
00:02:23 Tyler's Weeks in FOSS
00:03:39 Nate's Week in FOSS
00:05:19 Matt's Week in FOSS
00:08:02 Debian vs Ubuntu vs Pop!OS
00:51:26 Nuggies of the Week
00:52:16 Drew's Nuggie
00:53:02 Nate's Nuggie
00:54:21 Tyler's Nuggie
00:55:45 Matt's Nuggie
00:57:13 Contact Info and Goodbyes
I haven't laughed so hard in a long, long time. I needed that badly. Thank you.
I just enjoyed it. Made me smile.
Mint already made a new DE
Technically, Cinnamon is a fork of gnome. Cosmic is built from scratch. So I believe that is Matt's argument here.
@@sharkuel yeah that occurred to me after I posted. I'm pretty excited for Cosmic.
@@scottmorgan5212 Same, Cosmic not being a Franken-Gnome anymore will be great. I do wish Pop was based on Debian though. Would be nice to have a new hardware/gaming focused Debian distro.
@@sharkuel It's also designed with Wayland in mind which makes it even better.
This episode is pure gold.
Hey... I did compile Gentoo during Thanksgiving. It was my weekly update
Also Matt, you've had more issues with OpenSuse compared to me with Gentoo. I don't know what it is they are doing different compared to me.
It's mostly a codec problem.
@@wyfyj As a (very long term) Gentoo user myself (and perfectly happy with it), if Gentoo has any issues then it's usually BEFORE installation of a new package or update because of circular dependencies or having to change a USE flag. Once the package is installed a compiled properly against the libraries and other stuff it needs, the package also works okay. With binary distros, the problem usually occurs post-installation.
I am sorry to say this but, in my experience, a lot of Linux creators and users are "their own worst enemies". They keep "chopping and changing" between distros without every committing to one distro long enough to learn it well enough - they get one issue, they get annoyed and bored with trying to fix it, and then just load another distro instead.
In addition to that, that same group of people need to drop the "Windows Upgrade Upgrade Upgrade" mentality. Gentoo is an extremely stable and reliable distro if you stick to the "stable" release path - when you start going into "testing" for the very latest releases, then the time you spend managing USE flags and stopping circular dependencies is going to increase and get more complicated to resolve.
I take the attitude that if an application does what I need it to then there's no reason to upgrades - for me, upgrades are there to fix security issues, bugs and, on rare occasions, provide a new feature that might be good for my workflow.
Otherwise, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" is my mentality - and it makes my Linux experience fun and reasonably hassle-free.
Haven't have so much fun, eighter: it's also the first podcast I listened to in a while!
I'm a Debian user, I've tried Ubuntu a bunch of times.
Always had way more issues with Ubuntu, like recently, Docker breaking completely...
Flatpak on Debian : 3 copy paste & its done come on...
Just went back to Debian as Ubuntu Studio upgrade failed for me because of a dog related power outage and I wasn't able to fix the broken install.
On some other machines Ubuntu Studio also gave me problems upgrading, I was able to recover but still way less problems with Debian upgrades.
The real winner, as always: Gentoo
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Tylers back?!? Bout time 😂🤣😂
Never tried Suse. However, when an update "breaks" something on Arch, I learned the hard way not to try and fix it with a re-install. The bug is in the new version of something. Re-installing everything re-installs the new version. It'll be fixed in an update or two down the road.
I get so tired of gnome apologists saying "It's just a different work flow than you're used to." Yeah, it's a less efficient and therefore inferior workflow. Including the variation that Ubuntu uses. Debian lets you uncheck gnome and select whatever Linux DE you want during the install. Just remember to uncheck "Debian Utilities" as well.
My favorite distro linux: fedora
I use fedora KDE at the moment, but the _stupid_ hiberation doesn't work... Before, I had installed EndeavourOS, which had the same _flipping_ problem. That's why I swiched to fedora....
Always been a Debian fan. Rock solid. Never breaks. Once fully configured to your taste it will stay out of your way and you can just get on with using the computer.
However to speed up the process, as backports and other niceties are enabled. I just install LMDE these days. If I use Cinnamon I may as well right?
next year will be LFS vs Gentoo vs freeBSD, calling it now!
The real winners all linux desktop users. But, one argument for Debian was that for the desktop user is the hobbyist distro, run by the community.
If i had a choice between these 3 and only these 3 1000% would go with pop
why ?
@ingedison1 Debian even testing doesnt really meet my needs, i dont care much for ubuntu these days and i like system 76 as a company
One thing against Pop Os, the name is grotesque...
They should really replace it with something related to Cosmic.
The winner is definitely. GNU Linux , great moment of humor and lying, friendly from France
Linux plus GNU equals GNUnix, but in Dutch nix ( niks) meas nothing
Who apt upgraded Tyler's beard ? 😁
I have two Linux laptops ... one with Debian and the other with Aeon Desktop. If forced to choose, I'd go with Aeon Desktop for it's easy maintenance.
What's that?
@Noah-l7h8m Are you asking what is Aeon Desktop?
Debian and Ubuntu Server: Server. Debian Mint, Mint, and Ubuntu DE: Desktop. PopOS: Gaming. Fedora: Workstation.
Every distro worth equal amounts of love
no
@zherka_pill sure then
negative points for pop: doesnt work on the latest vivobook keyboard out of box, battery life. positive points to ubuntu for "driver app install nvidia", positive points debian for stability, and negative points for arch btw :)
I tried ubuntu when i first started getting into linux. this is way back in 2016 it was good for its time but then trying it again in 2022 Ubuntu was slow trying other distros i cant go back and never will go back. snaps are awful i will die on that hill 😂
Pop is good but im unable to run waydroid on it ;-;
Just so you know vivaldi is in void nonfree repo
Sorry Zaney I'm still not sold on Nix. I agree that it sounds fun to tinker with but I don't think it can compete with all that Debian offers
Debian has the worst user experience at installation and an even worse website, but once you get your GPU and other drivers set up, it is amazing. I've learned more about how linux works more in my six months with Debian than I have in my four years daily driving, Fedora, Ubuntu, Mint, and Pop OS. Debian is #1 for me.
Without linux kernel non of those distros would exist and even if debian dies ubuntu has the money to make their own distro from scratch
You just don't like Nix because the configs are easy to read and it just works 😂 wait till you hear about home manager, oooOOOooOO
@@bologna3048 home manager i'm confusing :'(
Debian all the way . . . Keep in mind that Debian gets upstream improvements from daughter distros.
Jeez whats with the NixOS hate, you guys? I love Nix. It's hella stable to me.
@@Sluggernaut we don’t hate it. We like taking the Mickey out of Tyler.
@@TheLinuxCast Just got this from ChatGPT: "If Snap and Flatpak are "batteries included" app ecosystems, Nix is more like building your own power grid - and it’s incredibly satisfying once it’s up and running.
Enjoy the journey with Nix - it’s an exciting ride!"
Tried ubuntu dozens of times before debian. Debian12. Yep, that long before. Ubuntu is slogish even on xfce, for a short description.
For now, XFCE for my usage is top, #1 bar-none. Gnome and KDE will never cut it for me, no matter how many bling-bling flash-flash they add to them.... and making them slower and slower any next version (just like microsoft does LOL).
I don't want my PC to look like a phone or an xbox or a TV. Simple enough.
Debian runs well. I still have not ran into issues like it often happen with Arch (oh the keyrings.... those pesky arch keyrings) (...and they use HTTP servers to update them very "securely", while blasting to oblivion any next user who's not using HTTPS to browse the web. :|/
I'm going to install pop!os
Why everyone says Debian is Stable but doesn't elaborate that means Stable Versions, not the system you cannot crash
I think it's about context, and comparison to other distros
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We all know that Anna Montanna Linux is the best.
I don't understand why people are still having trouble with Nvidia drivers. Just sudo ./ the driver package and agree to everything it asks. And you'll have your driver. Like, how is that hard???
rm Ubuntu; touch 'Linux Mint'
so Pop OS fore the new PC & Ubuntu on the old ones... and some Debian around to......
getting a "new PC" it's money.....
Uhm excuse me LFS is the best distro.😂
15 mins ago... What have I become
Ubuntu might be the best one for me. Snaps have really grown on me
That's a rare opinion
Well i installed debian and ubuntu on all of my machines easy i could not install pop os on 7 of my machines and i have 11 machines so pop os for me 3 place
Debian won
audio books are bad fore humans! you stop reading it is bad to......
Voyager linux 24.10 gnome-xfce hybrid desktop
no views, ONLY DISLIKE FOR SUCH UNSUPORTED CRAP !