Ask An Orthodox Priest #12 - Why Isn't Fr. Seraphim Rose a Saint Yet? Can We Pray The Rosary? Q&A

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  • Fr. John Valadez is the priest at St. Timothy Antiochian Orthodox Church in Lompoc, California. Fr. John answers your questions that were submitted through TH-cam and Instagram.
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  • @DarthVader-lm2ce
    @DarthVader-lm2ce 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +38

    Timestamps:
    0:00 Canonization of Fr. Seraphim Rose?
    4:20 Can a convert's prayers bring salvation to his heterodox family?
    7:30 Difference between Oriental Orthodoxy and Eastern Orthodoxy?
    10:45 Advice for people who can't find an orthodox person to marry?
    12:30 Could the various schisms be lifted by some council?
    15:45 Can we pray the rosary as Orthodox?
    17:55 What's the point of praying for the reposed if we reject the doctrine of Purgatorium?
    21:05 Why does the Church look Jewish?
    23:35 Validity of heterodox exorcisms?
    27:05 Can you be a tattoo artist if you are Orthodox?
    29:25 Will God forgive my ecumenism?
    31:55 What to do if I feel guilty praying for things when other people don't even have what I currently possess?

    • @RootsofOrthodoxy
      @RootsofOrthodoxy  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Thank you!

    • @DarthVader-lm2ce
      @DarthVader-lm2ce 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      ​@@RootsofOrthodoxy No problem ^^

    • @mirceam4400
      @mirceam4400 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@RootsofOrthodoxy hi,could you cancel the advertising,it will be nice to watche video without it.
      thank you.

    • @catholicunfiltered
      @catholicunfiltered 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      ​@@mirceam4400 then how will they make revenue to support their channel

  • @user-qg1oq8it7c
    @user-qg1oq8it7c 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +69

    Father Seraphim causes nightmares to the ecumenism movement. That's why

    • @bible_unleashed2
      @bible_unleashed2 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      We must pray for the Holy patriarchs 🙏🏻

    • @yn3401
      @yn3401 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Ecumenism between who?

    • @uberfeel
      @uberfeel หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@yn3401the antichrist

  • @WilliamPotting
    @WilliamPotting 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    Thank you for asking my question. By a miracle of God my wife finally came with me to Church for the first time… on my Chrismation this past weekend (Lazarus Saturday). Praise God! 🙏🏻☦️☦️☦️

  • @subtrippin
    @subtrippin 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +70

    Let's hope he gets canonized soon

    • @johnsambo9379
      @johnsambo9379 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Wasn't he a homosexual? Why should he be a Saint?

    • @TheCelticSlav
      @TheCelticSlav 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@johnsambo9379 should we focus on other people's sins? Even AFTER they repent?

    • @hippios
      @hippios 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      hes canonized in the Georgian Orthodox Church

  • @grandmasteryoda4943
    @grandmasteryoda4943 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +67

    As someone deeply looking into Orthodoxy in Japan, this has to be the most top-tier evangelical channel for the faith. Muslims, Mormons, and other faiths do a great job at proselytizing/marketing on YT and this exceeds any faith channel I’ve followed thus far. May the Lord keep your content edifying ☦️
    ☠️ キリストは死を克服する☠️

    • @GeorgesChannel
      @GeorgesChannel 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Read also the churchfathers like St. Chrisostomos, St. Basilius, St. Gregory, St. Antonius, St. Isaac and of course the New and Old Testament.

    • @upsethooker
      @upsethooker 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Patristic Nectar Films, Orthodox Ethos

    • @RootsofOrthodoxy
      @RootsofOrthodoxy  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Thank you! God bless you on your journey 🙏

    • @lindaphillips4646
      @lindaphillips4646 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      FROM JAPAN! How wonderful!
      A dear friend of ours, who reposed a few years ago, was Japanese and grew up in Tokyo.
      After the war, she and a friend, both protestants, went to the beautiful St. Nicholas Cathedral.
      They went because they were singers and had heard about the great beauty of the choir.
      They both loved it, but she experienced something there .... and she never left..
      Until after she was married and moved to Hawaii.
      You may not know the story of St. Nicholas of Japan, a priest who served the Russian consulate, and his first convert.
      I hope you can find it and read about him .. or watch some videos..
      If you wish to, let me know your thoughts about it.
      ☦💝📿💝☦

    • @lindaphillips4646
      @lindaphillips4646 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@upsethookerand Fr. Seraphim Bailey and Fr. TRYPHON..☦💝☦

  • @excowboy08
    @excowboy08 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

    Father John seems so calm and wise, I enjoyed listening to him. Greetings from Serbia☦️

  • @acekoala457
    @acekoala457 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +37

    Fr. Seraphim Rose is a Saint.
    It probably won't be recognized officially until most of the rest of us have met him at the Heavenly Liturgy.

    • @johnsambo9379
      @johnsambo9379 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Wasn't he a homosexual? Why should he be a Saint?

    • @acekoala457
      @acekoala457 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@johnsambo9379
      "These things you were"-St. Paul

  • @jacobmorin485
    @jacobmorin485 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

    Im getting baptized with him as my patron Saint and I’m taking his name in the OCA

    • @CWKraft
      @CWKraft 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      I was also baptized Seraphim (Platina) last year in the OCA! God be with you!!

    • @lindaphillips4646
      @lindaphillips4646 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Soon? ☦💝📿💝☦

    • @jacobmorin485
      @jacobmorin485 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@user-yv4fp4do8m I still pray to him

  • @miketackabery7521
    @miketackabery7521 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    It took five hundred years for the church to canonize St Andrei Rublev, and it took the Tsar-Martyr Nikolai to force the Canonization of St Seraphim of Sarov.
    Let the Bishops do what they need to do in their and Christ's time and in the meantime venerate and ask the intercession of Fr Seraphim Rose.

  • @johna3322
    @johna3322 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Hands down qoute of the year..."get Christ tattooed on your heart first!"
    Beautifully said ❤

  • @jadeninja9jadeninja9
    @jadeninja9jadeninja9 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

    This channel is some of my main current spiritual food before I can go to the Church. I watched every video lol.

  • @MalarkusD
    @MalarkusD 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    This video touches on so many different things I need to think about. Please pray for me.

  • @zzzaaayyynnn
    @zzzaaayyynnn 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    The tattoo answer was fascinating and ingenious.

  • @jezz_tat2
    @jezz_tat2 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I'm actually a tattooer who has been seeking an Orthodox answer to that question... I've been thinking about quitting for years.

  • @upsethooker
    @upsethooker 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Father John, thank you for what you said about the father of the household converting to Orthodoxy. Everything you said about that is my exact situation

  • @theodoremarinis5583
    @theodoremarinis5583 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    He is a saint. He always has been. It’s only a matter of time. May he pray for us all. ❤️☦️📿

  • @terrycarriepiker3383
    @terrycarriepiker3383 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Fr Seraphim pray to God for us 🙏🏼

  • @Commentary173
    @Commentary173 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I have met this man 2 weeks ago. God bless this man.

  • @hippopilot6750
    @hippopilot6750 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    What was said about conversion of family really hit me.

  • @therealcooterbrown
    @therealcooterbrown หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I’ve really enjoyed the videos with Fr. John and hope to see more of him on the channel in the future.

  • @maxadonna6545
    @maxadonna6545 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    This is truly so beautiful. I sincerely hope this page continues to consistently put out such high quality videos to inspire us all!

  • @WilliamPotting
    @WilliamPotting 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Thank you for this. May God bless Fr. John.

  • @stellajacovides9676
    @stellajacovides9676 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    An excellent podcast .
    Please keep up this helpful work .
    Glory to God .

  • @MrPeterFranc
    @MrPeterFranc 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Fr John is one of the main responsible for bringing me to holy orthodoxy.
    After studying at length the Chalcedon issue I chose the Coptic Orthodox Church, for her deep traditions and history and keeping the original faith.
    I agree with what he very wisdomly said that needs to take place before reunion.
    But please always keep in mind. Oriental Orthodox churches simply kept the original Cyrillian formula, accepted by all Orthodox Churches, μία φύσις τοῦ θεοῦ λόγου σεσαρκωμένη, "one nature of the Word Incarnate".
    We of course believe in the two natures, Divine and Human, united “with no mingling, alteration or confusion” (as both EO and OO liturgies profess!)

  • @marcokite
    @marcokite 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    When praying the rosary there is NO need to use one's imagination, one can look at an Icon as I do. However many Roman Catholics of course DO use imagination as Father John indicates here. I was RC now Orthodox, I pray the Jesus Prayer but also sometimes the Rosary in addition (without using imagination).
    Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me a sinner.

  • @strugglingathome
    @strugglingathome หลายเดือนก่อน

    Love Fr. John!

  • @orthodoxphronesis
    @orthodoxphronesis 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Father bless!

  • @Theoretically-ko6lr
    @Theoretically-ko6lr 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Glory to God ❤

  • @LadderOfDescent
    @LadderOfDescent 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I’ll sign that petition 🔥

  • @beauty.of.the.struggle
    @beauty.of.the.struggle 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'm loving this channel. I just wish that each question + answer was broken up into separate videos, instead of these whole big sessions

  • @_moses_980
    @_moses_980 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You guys should go to Montanika . Great Clergy to interview there.

  • @stevemcgee99
    @stevemcgee99 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    11:00 what exactly does this mean? How does one do that?
    “Devote yourself to Christ as the true bridegroom.”

  • @GeorgesChannel
    @GeorgesChannel 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    My humble reasoning about the T-Question: According to Apostle Paul our bodies are Temples (or vessels) for the Holy Spirit. I think its apropriate to keep this holy place clean from the inside and the outside, because first it was given to us (its a gift and already perfect) and second when becoming a part of the church, the Holy Body of Christ, i think have to take the best possible care of it.

  • @truthmonger7
    @truthmonger7 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    For more on this topic, No King But Caesar & The Return Of The Melchisedec is available online at Advantage Books. Peace to all.

  • @WisdomSeeker369
    @WisdomSeeker369 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    ☦️🕊🔥📿🙏

  • @daniel8728
    @daniel8728 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Fr. Daniil Sosyev too!

  • @yel69owstreams59
    @yel69owstreams59 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    But wasnt Fr Seraphim Rose canonized somewhere in Georgia i couldve sworn i seen a video of it. ( ive only seen 20 seconds of the video)

    • @acekoala457
      @acekoala457 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Bishop Nicholas in Georgia has authorized use of certain prayers and Akathists for Fr. Seraphim in his Diocese.
      Not a total Canonization but he has stated that the Syond is ready to follow through if the American Jurisdictions don't.

  • @Bobby.truthsayer.1956
    @Bobby.truthsayer.1956 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Be advised and corrected; the blueprint that I Am That I Am dictated to Moses is the perfect and true design. Yes, The Orthodox Liturgy and design is absolutely 100 % inline with the original outline from God.

  • @Saint_nobody
    @Saint_nobody 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    😨 thought he was already canonized. Well, let's see what details this video gives. 🙏🏻

    • @dustinneely
      @dustinneely 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I have an icon of Fr. Seraphim I got from Uncut Mountain supply. As far as I'm concerned Fr. Seraphim is a saint. He's a big reason I became Orthodox.

  • @meminimeusvita
    @meminimeusvita 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I have a random question. Why do some priests have long hair if Paul says it’s a disgrace to man? 1 Corinthians 11:14

  • @gonzalodelavega6646
    @gonzalodelavega6646 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This commentary isn't in a bad way, but when he prunounce the letter 's" the higer frequency is too loud. Maybe the antipop of the microphone isn't that thick or the eq is too loud on high frequency. Salutes from Uruguay 🇺🇾

    • @RootsofOrthodoxy
      @RootsofOrthodoxy  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Noted. I’ll try and fix this for future uploads, thank you!

    • @gonzalodelavega6646
      @gonzalodelavega6646 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@RootsofOrthodoxy maybe is my Phone speaker. Love your work, i'm a protestant introducing into orthodoxy. Hope God help me on the path. Salutes from Uruguay. God bless you all!

  • @0utc4st1985
    @0utc4st1985 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    He was canonized by the Georgian Orthodox Church.

    • @CzarLazar1389
      @CzarLazar1389 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      When, where and could you supply a source, please?

    • @johnsambo9379
      @johnsambo9379 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Wasn't he a homosexual? Why should he be a Saint?

    • @jessemiller6318
      @jessemiller6318 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      He was but it has to be ecumenical

    • @TheCelticSlav
      @TheCelticSlav 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@johnsambo9379 that's like saying "he/she was a sinner. Why should they be a saint"
      Repentance, my friend. Everyone is called to it and St Seraphim Rose repented of all his sins.

    • @acekoala457
      @acekoala457 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@@jessemiller6318
      1. Canonizations don't have to be Ecumenical.
      2. There is a Diocese in Georgia that has allowed for Local Veneration within a Liturgical Setting. Though the Bishop that allowed it said that the Georgian Synod would move forward if the American Jurisdictions don't follow through.

  • @TBland-ir8kl
    @TBland-ir8kl 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Well... according to Paul, we're all saints.

  • @kristenp5835
    @kristenp5835 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Do Orthodox Christians recognize the visions of Mary that the Catholics believe ?

    • @BaikalTii
      @BaikalTii 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      do a google search using this- orthodox understanding of the virgin of guadalupe

    • @elenav.4355
      @elenav.4355 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      No

    • @lindaphillips4646
      @lindaphillips4646 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I hope you will talk to an Orthodox priest about that.
      He can explain the position of the Church on those things and the nuisances of the decision. ☦💝📿💝☦

  • @uliks2434
    @uliks2434 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What do you mean by 'imagination'... The rosary is pretty forward. Each mystery is clear as the light, because each mystery is accompanied by the verses of the gospels from which it has derived...for example "mystery: jesus is crowned with thorns... passage of the gospel where that is written... one meditates not by imagination, but on the meaning and the importance of that particular mystery...then the Hail Mary prayer is also pretty forward: the faithful is using the words of the Gabriel, and then elevates a personal prayer to the Holy Mother of God... What is there to imagine here? I don't understand.

    • @George_dom
      @George_dom 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      As a former Catholic we were taught to use our mind to picture the events of the rosary this can be dangerous and we end up making god into our own image. The typical novus ordo catholic does this maybe you you don’t because your more traditional? Any ways orthodox also say the Hail Mary prayer but we do the rosary slightly different.

    • @uliks2434
      @uliks2434 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@George_dom If we went down this road, we would all fall into heresy, because there is no person who just by reading the gospels does not recreate through images what might have happened. The entire art depicted in both Catholic and Orthodox churches is an imagery of what might have happened. There is no film, or audio recording, of what truly happened. Yet our churches are filled with that imagery. What ought to do now, become iconoclasts in order not to "make a God in our own image"? The entire debate between Saint John of Antioch and the iconoclasts, was all centered around this: the fear of iconoclasts that by allowing imagery, that would have caused the human imagination to create a false God, or a god in the image of man. But Christ is that image, Christ is the icon of icons. All this puritanism makes one fall into "phariseeanism" where one ends up to "strain out a gnat but swallow a camel."

    • @George_dom
      @George_dom 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@uliks2434 yeah your correct i didn’t mean that it was bad to make images of Christ. I whole heartedly agree that icons a biblical and traditional however using your imagination in prayer isn’t. The desert father highly advised against it. And I believe you mean Saint John of Damascus. Contemplation is good but imagination is not. I’m not saying you do but I know for a fact that a lot of Roman Catholics use their imagination during prayer because I was one. Imagination is the root of bad thoughts which may cause us to sin. We must empty our minds and focus on the prayer or the words of the gospel in this case not how they make us feel it appears the Roman church got that from Ignatius of Loyola. God bless I hope we may come back together one day ☦️ ✝️

  • @dougharitopulos9288
    @dougharitopulos9288 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Is this body incorrupt?Or did it decompose

    • @acekoala457
      @acekoala457 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      That is not a standard for Sainthood.
      My Patron Saint doesn't have an incorrupt body but he is still a Saint.

  • @StreetsOfVancouverChannel
    @StreetsOfVancouverChannel 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I suspect that it’s clearly related to assertions from Rose’s niece regarding his past prior to entering the Orthodox fold.

    • @jessemiller6318
      @jessemiller6318 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Besides homosexuality is there anything else?

    • @StreetsOfVancouverChannel
      @StreetsOfVancouverChannel 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@jessemiller6318 Nothing that I’ve heard of…

    • @pgaLyfestyle
      @pgaLyfestyle 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

      Past sins before baptism don’t make a servant of God any less holy. Have you ever heard St Mary of Egypt’s story?
      It is being delayed to prevent his living relatives (including his niece, etc.) from feeling pride that their close relative is a Saint.

    • @NavelOrangeGazer
      @NavelOrangeGazer 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      It likely has more to do with the monastery he founded becoming uncanonical for a time after his repose.

    • @boldtjeff
      @boldtjeff 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      He also took the Protocols of the Elders of Zion seriously, which is quite troubling.

  • @deborahriospendleton
    @deborahriospendleton 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Everyone is pushing him so aggressively online they definitely have their agenda

  • @datchet11
    @datchet11 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Are protestant Christians not saved?

    • @sfappetrupavelandrei
      @sfappetrupavelandrei 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Only God knows who will be saved. We believe that the Orthodox Church is the Church started by our Lord Jesus Christ and guided by the Holy Spirit. So the most secure way for salvation is in the Orthodox Church. But we are not sure even if the Orthodox faithful are saved (except the case of the saints). Only God knows who will be saved.

  • @datchet11
    @datchet11 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The scripture says all who believe in Jesus are saints not a particular person

    • @datchet11
      @datchet11 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@sfappetrupavelandrei well in philippians and other places it says.
      ‭Philippians 1:1-2
      Paul and Timotheus, the servants of Jesus Christ, to all the saints in Christ Jesus which are at Philippi, with the bishops and deacons: grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

    • @geozaharia3715
      @geozaharia3715 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Păi, primii creștini erau majoritatea sfinți cu viața lor . Nu ne mai comparăm cu ei. Citiți viețile sfinților și pildele din Patericul Egiptean și veți vedea că trebuie mult efort de curățire și dragoste de Hristos , ca să ajungi un sfânt.

  • @donhaddix3770
    @donhaddix3770 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    only God says who is a saint.

    • @ThomasG_Nikolaj
      @ThomasG_Nikolaj 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      yeah, through the Church. The Holy Spirit guides canonizations

    • @donhaddix3770
      @donhaddix3770 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ThomasG_Nikolaj not biblical.

    • @ThomasG_Nikolaj
      @ThomasG_Nikolaj 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @donhaddix3770 does Christ not say that the Holy Spirit will guide the Church? Does St. Paul not tell Timothy that the CHURCH is the pillar and ground of Truth? Did the Church not exist before ANY of the biblical texts? Was it not the Church that determined the canon of scripture in Ecumenical Council. Of course all these are the case, but Protestants remain ignorant

    • @donhaddix3770
      @donhaddix3770 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thomas G (Николај)
      church does not mean a denomination.

    • @ThomasG_Nikolaj
      @ThomasG_Nikolaj 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @donhaddix3770 Orthodoxy is not a denomination, it's the original Church. It's literally going to be 2000 years old in 2033. No protestant denomination or sect can make that claim haha. Our Church also teaches the exact same teachings today as it did in the first 1000 years. All the Ecumenical Councils and early Church Fathers teach Orthodox theology.

  • @johnsambo9379
    @johnsambo9379 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Jesus is the judge. Your prayers will do nothing for the dead. They have already been judged. Are you saying Jesus doesn't judge people correctly and will change his mind?

    • @sfappetrupavelandrei
      @sfappetrupavelandrei 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      I think you confuse the judgement after our death with the final judgement, at the end of times.

  • @johnsambo9379
    @johnsambo9379 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Only Jesus can save. A Saint can not intercede for you. Jesus is the only judge.

    • @jessemiller6318
      @jessemiller6318 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +30

      Interceding for you != Judging. Mary intercedes for us, and she is closer to God than any of us because she is God's Mother.

    • @rickyru864
      @rickyru864 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      @johnsambo9379 Did Abraham intercede through prayer for the people of sodom and gomorrah?

    • @Orthodoxy.Memorize.Scripture
      @Orthodoxy.Memorize.Scripture 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

      Modern Protestant ignorance. You ask your friend or pastor to pray for you. It’s the same with the Theotokos and saints in heaven. They are very much alive and participate in the Church.

    • @BaikalTii
      @BaikalTii 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

      the Church that venerates the Ever Virgin Mary and all the saints, that asks for their intercession, is the same Church that gave you the Bible you worship.

    • @mikeunderhi
      @mikeunderhi 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      Don't you ask your friends to pray for you?
      No one's ever asked you to pray for them before?