Your advice is so spot on! I incidently went through 'hell of concert filim last night', and I can confirm all of your advice in this video from first hand experience. As an amateuer, I ran into a 'concert film job' last night when I was going to a small lake nearby to test my anamorphic lanes with my S1H and practice some settings. What I did not know: there was an event just starting with a mass and right after that a band live on stage. The event organizers asked me if they could get a copy of some shots - my first 'concert film job' was born. I was equiped with my Lumix S1H and a Sirui Anamorphic 50mm T2.9, a 5'' Shinobi on the camera cage, and my Sachter Flowtech 75 - not a bad combo for a hobby shooter to take some nice sundown footage at a lovely lake. But, manual focus at T2.9 is tough with a full frame camera, and using V-Log picture profile is not the best setting for the stage lights vs the dark sourrounding. Also, I should have brought along more SD-cards and a V-mount battery to allow me for longer filming (I ran out of SD-space in the end). An, I should have been with a AF 70-200mm to get closer if desired. What went surprisingly well, were some handheld shots with all the stabilizers on my S1H engaged and the camera held with strong hands. What did I miss out the most for that event: having a good external EVF that can be articulated, allowing me to look into it from the top of my camera setup, and a handheld shoulder rig (is already ordered). Anyway, this was one of the best opportunities for me to learn as a beginner, and I really wish I had watched your tutorial beforehand!
Yup. I guess one of the things that should be mentioned is that you gotta go out and find out what you found out. It really is part of the process right? Happy shooting
Filming in these scenarios is the toughest thing to do. To help get sharper footage press the digital zoom button (once for x4 twice for x10) and use live view on the rear, then manually focus, then unzoom, then shoot.
Good video! Your weird dust spot was from dust on the sensor of the camera. I've been having problems with this a lot lately, so I just try to blow my sensor off before every shoot.
I've gone from lighting to video at our theater here in town, and have had to basically wing it lol its hard to find the kind of tips i need... fingers crossed for this one.
The extra light from full frame and fast apertures will be a better advantage than depth of field in my opinion. Just have to work harder on nailing focus which I would prefer. At least until there is a super awesome option for apsc in low light!
Nothing wrong with using full frame for video. Need more depth of field? Stop down your aperture more. Don't shoot with a 50mm at f2, shoot smaller, like between f4 to f8.
Hi just wish to point out to you that I'm a Canon user and my main lens in concert is the 24-105 mm f4 and it's not soft as you mentioned. I did a test of the lens.. You can also shoot at f5 or f5.6 for best result. Thanks for the video
I don't understand your comments concerning more DoF from an aps-c sensor. They are just factually inaccurate. I think what you mean is a 50mm on aps-c = 75mm approx ff and with a low fstop results in greater separation between the subject and the background? With a 75mm lens equiv on a ff and a 50mm lens on aps-c, both stopped down to 1.8, the ff would ALWAYS have greater DoF!
The full frame will have less depth of field. Subject and background separation is attained through LOW DEPTH OF FIELD. Many people get that wrong. Depth of field is always greater with a smaller sensor. Meaning more is in focus on both fields from the sweet spot. It is why full frames are so nice for portraits and fashion. Great for getting the focus you need because you have a higher margin of error. Here. check out my blog article on thisvery subject: jacquesgaines.com/2020/11/01/what-is-an-f-stop-photography-101/
very useful. i bully my way into crowds,told people to SHUT IT..as they chatter in my mic and acually SET UP tripod..RIGHT on the dance floor. whatever it takes..I am a first class ASS only when I work...rofl.....thanks buddy!!! good advice on gear i have too!
Well. I think you should use what you prefer. However, no matter what, you will open up, be it full frame or aps c. But I think that there is a substantial loss in your depth of field which makes focus a bit more picky. So it is a tradeoff. Do you prefer more grainy footage with more focus tollerance or a cleaner image with the risk of losing focus....
Jacques Gaines you better low light performance across the board with FF so you can run a higher F stop and then will in turn get better DOF. Sony FF have amazing low light performance and the footage using higher ISO say 800-2400 is usable and sharp.
"MY FOCUS SUCKS MAN!" Haha had me laughing man. Shooting my firs live music even this weekend. Thanks for the tips 🤙🏼
No problem
Your advice is so spot on!
I incidently went through 'hell of concert filim last night', and I can confirm all of your advice in this video from first hand experience.
As an amateuer, I ran into a 'concert film job' last night when I was going to a small lake nearby to test my anamorphic lanes with my S1H and practice some settings.
What I did not know: there was an event just starting with a mass and right after that a band live on stage. The event organizers asked me if they could get a copy of some shots - my first 'concert film job' was born.
I was equiped with my Lumix S1H and a Sirui Anamorphic 50mm T2.9, a 5'' Shinobi on the camera cage, and my Sachter Flowtech 75 - not a bad combo for a hobby shooter to take some nice sundown footage at a lovely lake.
But, manual focus at T2.9 is tough with a full frame camera, and using V-Log picture profile is not the best setting for the stage lights vs the dark sourrounding.
Also, I should have brought along more SD-cards and a V-mount battery to allow me for longer filming (I ran out of SD-space in the end).
An, I should have been with a AF 70-200mm to get closer if desired.
What went surprisingly well, were some handheld shots with all the stabilizers on my S1H engaged and the camera held with strong hands.
What did I miss out the most for that event:
having a good external EVF that can be articulated, allowing me to look into it from the top of my camera setup, and a handheld shoulder rig (is already ordered).
Anyway, this was one of the best opportunities for me to learn as a beginner, and I really wish I had watched your tutorial beforehand!
Yup. I guess one of the things that should be mentioned is that you gotta go out and find out what you found out. It really is part of the process right? Happy shooting
Very honest review of your work with some excellent tips. Thanks, Jaques.
Agreed! Glad he’s got this video out there for us. I made a video with some tips too
literally I'm taking all your saying in before a shoot tomrrow night!
Hope it helped
Filming in these scenarios is the toughest thing to do. To help get sharper footage press the digital zoom button (once for x4 twice for x10) and use live view on the rear, then manually focus, then unzoom, then shoot.
Thank you for your input. What brand of camera are you using to do this method? By the way. I love your profile name!
Hey. Various Canon EOS models, but I'm going to assume you can do this with most DSLR cameras. Happy shooting.
Très utile. Merci! Et je retiens la finale: Keep on doing something from nothing.
Good video! Your weird dust spot was from dust on the sensor of the camera. I've been having problems with this a lot lately, so I just try to blow my sensor off before every shoot.
I've gone from lighting to video at our theater here in town, and have had to basically wing it lol its hard to find the kind of tips i need... fingers crossed for this one.
Good luck!
The extra light from full frame and fast apertures will be a better advantage than depth of field in my opinion. Just have to work harder on nailing focus which I would prefer. At least until there is a super awesome option for apsc in low light!
Low light vs focus nailing is a constant fight fo sho!
Nothing wrong with using full frame for video. Need more depth of field? Stop down your aperture more. Don't shoot with a 50mm at f2, shoot smaller, like between f4 to f8.
Yeah this really made no sense at all, show a clear lack of understanding about the tools.
You lose too much light
@@loltimno no, you lose too much light
Thank you man, totally agree!
for stage usage. f1.4 = Soft footage, F11 = Sharper footage. increase your ISO.
Not a big fan at all on increasing ISO too much. But point taken. Cameras all have better low light performance now
Thank you man, a very valuable video
Glad it was helpful!
Video aged pretty well! I'd add:
- super35 4 lyf
- BRAW/RAW or GTFO (obviously)
- Sigma ART lenses overall
All amazing points. Thank you for these!
Hi just wish to point out to you that I'm a Canon user and my main lens in concert is the 24-105 mm f4 and it's not soft as you mentioned. I did a test of the lens.. You can also shoot at f5 or f5.6 for best result. Thanks for the video
Yes but at f5.6 dont you think that you are closed down a bit too much
With a full frame you can can just close the Iris to have full depth of field instead of shallow.
And closing down does what???
Great
Hope this helps
6 years later, auto focus much improved. Forget aps-c. FF is the way to go now.
Tru Dat. But while FF focus has gotten better. APS-C low light performance has upped their game no?
@@JacquesGaines My point is that your point that aps-c is better is no longer valid, no?
Do you have the sound sample of the Concert?
No I do not sorry
I don't understand your comments concerning more DoF from an aps-c sensor. They are just factually inaccurate. I think what you mean is a 50mm on aps-c = 75mm approx ff and with a low fstop results in greater separation between the subject and the background? With a 75mm lens equiv on a ff and a 50mm lens on aps-c, both stopped down to 1.8, the ff would ALWAYS have greater DoF!
The full frame will have less depth of field. Subject and background separation is attained through LOW DEPTH OF FIELD. Many people get that wrong. Depth of field is always greater with a smaller sensor. Meaning more is in focus on both fields from the sweet spot. It is why full frames are so nice for portraits and fashion. Great for getting the focus you need because you have a higher margin of error.
Here. check out my blog article on thisvery subject:
jacquesgaines.com/2020/11/01/what-is-an-f-stop-photography-101/
Nice stuff
Thanks
Hey I have a Sony Fx3 you think that’s good enough for a live event?
Shit yes. How is the autofocus?
@@JacquesGaines it’s fairly quick
Beware overheating. It was no good for filming continuous events lasting 45 mins as overheating switch cam off after 15 or so mins.
very useful. i bully my way into crowds,told people to SHUT IT..as they chatter in my
mic and acually SET UP tripod..RIGHT on the dance floor. whatever it takes..I am a first class ASS only when I work...rofl.....thanks buddy!!! good advice on gear i have too!
Glad to help
Wow 🙄🤭
it wouldn't work on me. You'd be thrown out of the venue. on your aszz
Do you need permission?
Always
Your theory about full frame cameras doesn’t make sense. That theory is invalid
Which part?
What was the band? I am transgender and I seen a fat (trans?) singer in a grey dress. So I want to support the band.
I cannot remember
That makes no sense, don’t use FF...worst advice ever for low light
Well. I think you should use what you prefer. However, no matter what, you will open up, be it full frame or aps c. But I think that there is a substantial loss in your depth of field which makes focus a bit more picky. So it is a tradeoff. Do you prefer more grainy footage with more focus tollerance or a cleaner image with the risk of losing focus....
Jacques Gaines you better low light performance across the board with FF so you can run a higher F stop and then will in turn get better DOF. Sony FF have amazing low light performance and the footage using higher ISO say 800-2400 is usable and sharp.
My focus SUCKS and my feet ITCH! lol
Check out my newest concert video! th-cam.com/video/Zc2fpNRe-20/w-d-xo.html