Are There Any Beethovens Left? (Ft. 12tone)
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I guess it takes a deaf musician to compose something unheard of.
Genius
Underrated
*_woah_*
Now that's what I call music
;-;
John Lenin, the motherlands most psychedelic musician
He's so dangerously deluded that if he told you that he was in The Beatles you'd have to simply agree.
He imagined no possessions. And no religion too.
His name was Lennon, no connection with Vladimir Ulyanov (who used the nom de Guerrero Lenin), nor to bedsheets.
One of the most famous musicians of Deutero-Elizabethan England.
That's the point of the joke.
Vladimir Lennon was the leader of the Bolsheviks, translated as Beatles in English
This can only mean one thing:
Dwight Shrutte is of the Beethoven ancestory!
Beethoven is in occupational surname in German meaning Beetroot Farms, and Dwight is a German Beetroot Farmer...
This is the ultimate conspiracy theory!
when I hear beet, I think shrutte
I think it would have been funny for Dwight's last name to be Beethoven. Would have opened up some more great scenes. 😂
Mose-zart
My last name is Beethoven 😮😮 💀
You should do Ben Franklin, since he has so many illegitimate children
Illegitimate children don't carry on the family name.
Are there any Mozarts or Bachs left?
Don't know about Mozarts but there a lots of Bachs around
Correction, after a brief bit of digging it seems all of JS Bach's direct descendants died off in the mid to late 19th century but there are quite a few Bach's around today descended from Bach's grandfather.
No Mozart's left. Mozart's son Franz Xaver was the last to bear this name.
Bach had 20 kids
@@Quotenwagnerianer Are you sure about that? Because when I look up "Does anybody living today have the last name of Mozart" quite a few results show up of people living today still bearing the last name of Mozart. This suggests that maybe like with Bach, there are living direct descendents of Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart's grandfather but we just don't know much about the Mozart bloodline except the part that leads to Leopold Mozart, Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart's father.
Beethoven's last descendent took up the mantle of his namesake and followed in his great ancestor's footsteps, taking up music. He worked hard and became a famous DJ and remix artist with the name of
Beat Lovin (pronounced Bait Loeven)
The next will be Mozart, Bach and Haydn :-0
And Strauss
*Bach is a very common family name: so either way, there are still plenty, ranging from the chief of the Olympics to the dentist down the block from me.*
@@Suite_annamite I know it's popular. But the question is about particular line.
Well seeing as how the old stud had a couple dozens kids, I'm sure there are quite a few direct descendants floating around. Edit: Apparently not. Seems they died off in the 19th century.
So is Strauss but not every Strauss in the world is a descendant of Johann Strauss or Richard Strauss
Last Beethoven died in ww1, he was the grandson of Beethoven's nephew.
@@fluffytom82 Wow, really? How cool!!
What was his name?
@@mashynua1751 Beet B Hoven?
@@Scrub_Lord-en7cq wait a minute what is that pfp💀
You say that his origins lie in The Netherlands. But actually the Van Beethoven family came from Mechelen (Malines), a city in Flanders, Belgium. As a Belgian viewer of your channel I find that important.
At the time, IIRC, Belgium was part of the Netherlands.
Well Flanders is majority Dutch speaking and many people from there have Dutch descent :p
Ey maet maybe get a watch n you can be Yannick De Early
@@Copyright_Infringement this is why my dad keeps saying French Fries is in fact French.... nope
@@Copyright_Infringement for 15 years between 1815 and 1830. Not when the Beethovens lived in modern day Belgium
*lenin* did you mean:
VLADIMIR LENIN
Are there any Lenins left?
Setsuko Momoka thats a good question
Setsuko Momoka Not really, Vladimir Lenin’s real last name is Ulyanov. Lenin was just an alias.
5h4d0w The EdgeHog just because he used “lenin” as an alias doesn’t mean he **COULD** have generations down the line
Mid ary exactly
Watch *Immortal Beloved (1994)* with *Gary Oldman* as the titular character: it's the *best movie about Beethoven* out there!
Totally wrong woman as the the title character. All clues point to the another; the one mentioned in this video.
Person 1: Hi, my names John, what’s yours?
Person 2: *Beetroot Farm*
tmw two TH-camrs you subbed but completely unrelated suddenly create a coop
*coup
Are there any descendants of Otto von Bismarck left
Yea, the noble tite is even still alive, prince/ss bismarck i think
German politician Carl-Eduard von Bismarck is the great-great-grandson of Otto von Bismarck
Are there any Beethovens left?
Spoiler:
*No*
I see it as being about the journey, not the destination.
I know somebody who is named Beethoven, and he is a comedian in my country.
thank you for 10 minutes of life
Is he a patriot?
Wow lol
I highly recommend the movie Immortal Beloved for anyone who enjoys Beethoven. It's a historically loose drama based on Beethoven's later life.
Great music and great dialogue.
Totally wrong woman as the the title character. All clues point to the another; the one mentioned in this video.
When Beethoven's father died, the Duke of Cologne condoled by writing: "Die Getränke-Akzise hat einen Verlust erlitten." ("The bavarage excise has suffered a loss")
I was very curious in what form 12Tone would appear in your video, and laughed out loud when he arrived as an elephant! Great job all round. I remember when Elvis died, oddly I don't remember hearing the news about John Lennon and as later became a huge Beatles fan, this is somewhat troubling. Beethoven died before I was born, though.
I wonder who the familiar face will be in the 12tones video! Must see!
I think they're going to do "Understanding Badgers-Badgers-Badgers". Should be interesting.
It's pronounced Lud-VIG not Lud-WIG. At lesat 12Tone got it right!
What's the difference
Like I heard both of them say Ludwig and I can't hear a difference in pronunciation
Random person on youtube
In the German language, w’s will most likely be pronounced as the v sound, so the word wasser (German for water) will be pronounced like “vosser” and the way j’s are pronounced has a rule as well. Jungen (Boys) will be pretty much pronounced as “youngen” due to the y sound replacing the j sound.
Edit: the word “Ja” (yes) will sound like ya, which is pretty good for English as well, so that’s good to know.
Actually, since voiced consonants are usually pronounced voiceless at the end of a word, a more accurate pronunciation would be /ludvik/.
Van Beethovens ancestors came from Belgium and not from the Netherlands
But Belgium didn't become independent until after Ludwig died. So it would be anachronistic to say "Belgium" for where his ancestors came from.
@@rosiefay7283 than he had to say modern day Belgium. Still even regardless that he is still wrong since Belgium was a part of Austria not the Netherlands.
Flanders
@@rosiefay7283 he really meant to say Flanders
Do are there any Einstein’s left
One of his sons was a somewhat famous engineer in America. One of his grandsons owned (no kidding) a used car business in California. In the 1980s, he had a real TV ad where he actually said, 'It doesn't take an Einstein to know that this is a great deal!". The NY Times had that story in an article about the Einsteins.
1:32 honestly I thought you were gonna say "tone deaf"
So there are living relatives of him, but they don't have his surname..
Interesting...
CARRLLLLL. CARLLLLLLLL. THE WALKERS CARLLLL.
Nah, that "Coral".
Ohhhh, hey, how did he get here?
The song playing in this vodeo is in this video is the 1st movement of moonlight sonata
we may never have another Beethoven again but...
we do have some geniuses like John Williams, Ennio Morricone and Hans Zimmer
I don't care if there's any Beethoven's with that surname. I want to know if anyone blood related to him is still alive.
Famous in wars from Beetfarms. What a prestigious title.
Fact. Dwight Schrute is the last Beethoven.
Dwight Schrute has a son named Philip so he's not the last 😂
Beethoven's Choral Fantasia is great...but with the lyrics of Johannes Becher it became a masterpiece!
Are there any Hamiltons left?
Are there any Washingtons left?
Are there any Jeffersons left?
Yes. Lewis, Denzel, and that family from the homonymous 70s TV show.
@@joe_ita He meant direct descedents
@@philipgagarin6673 i was joking lol
@@joe_ita
Movin' on up
To the East Side
To a deluxe apartment
In the sky....
Let the world know their last names
Music has been rebooted to "drum" music but with new technological elements i will guess if we cloned Beethoven today he would be an electronic experimental musician like many German and European modern composers.It took like 300 years of classical music to get a Bethoven maybe we will see a modern Beethoven for our modern music in 250 years who knows everything is happening so fast these days.
Two of my favorite TH-cam channels, great collab!
Of all the Beetoven songs to have in the background you choose my favorite. Thank you.
Great video, beautifully edited and narrated, with the background music to top it all; moreover, the information, really interesting. Thanks!
Honestly, I don't really care for classical music too much, but Beethoven's work, especially after his hearing got worse and worse, are just admirable. Although I did a presentation about him myself for school (and having heard several of them, because I live in Germany...), this video was still interesting, as it went deeper into Beethoven's familytree. And now I also know what Beethoven actually means!
Thank you for this marvelous video
Oh my, two of my favorite channels together? Sign me in!
His father never hit him. He was rude, yelled at him, woke him in the middle of the night to play, but that's it. There's also the hypothesis that he had a child with Josephine, who's the best candidate to be the immortal beloved from the letter. She had a daughter, called Minona when she was separated from her husband, and the child has been conceived around the time she and Beethoven were in Prague at the same time. If you take a look at Minona's photography, you can see a resemblance with Ludwig. Nothing has confirmed this, but Josephine never told anyone who the father was, not even Minona (or she never wanted to tell anyone either).
3.7k views, no dislikes! That’s awesome dude!
Nice music choice with his Moonlight Sonata
0:49 My surname is *van den Akker,* it's Dutch and yes I'm from Holland 🇳🇱. _van den = of the_
Akker = farmfield. But it sounds cooler when saying it meant Acre... like large peace of land. That's what I used to say, when I lived in the USA. HAHA... Oh well... what's a name...
My real surnam is Rachach wich is acient portugese for fisher or fisherman
I have a question, how did Zhongguo become China?
Srsly I have no idea.
Simple answer, after the Xin dynasty. Pronounced "chin".
go to Xidnaf's channel. In short, China comes indirectly from the ruling Qing dynasty. The empires of China never really had a name and since they were the most important polity they called themselves the middle empire (middle as in between Heaven and Earth, as in, close to Heaven).
Zhongguo means "middle realm", however the western name comes from the Xin/Chin Dynasty
*The Qin dynasty (221-206BC) and the Qing (Manchu, 1644-1911) are two completely different empires!*
China is Porcelain.
Porcelain come from Zhongguo.
China from Zhongguo
Ignorant white people call the land China because it's where China come from.
This is the crossover my musician/linguist heart longed for!
My brain:sees "Beet Farm"= Shrute Farms.
Conspiracy theory?
Aw damn I was *beet*
Angela Kamene
I thought the same thing lol
4:32 "... but for the time was completely unheard of." Interesting turn of phrase, 12tone.
".....one of the first Rock and Roll stars...Ludwig van Beethoven." I endose this affirmation!👍👍
Actually Beethoven's Choral Fantasia predates the Choral Symphony and some of the phrasing reflects the musical structure. I am not sure if it was a full orchestra, but it is easy to find here on YOutube and is worth a listen.
This is my favorite series of yours
Are there any Mozarts left?
I can relate to the Beethoven’s. I’m literally the only one who can carry on my family’s last name. It’s in good hands lol
Jesse Hawkes
So I'm guessing you're either the only child or you have a sister/multiple sisters that are all married?
That's sort of sad really..
Two sisters, my uncle never had children of his own. Yes sirree, it's all me
Jesse Hawkes
Oof I missed a few possibilities lol
That's a lot of responsibility, I suppose.
The last one in your line! There is likely many of your Hawkes relatives still around, but you will likely share common ancestors from the tenth century onwards...earlier for aristocracy.
I meant in relation to the actual origin of your Hawkes line which won't predate the 10th century when the Normans started to instigate surnames in Britain. They already had surnames as had the SAxon chiefs. I am not sure how surnames started elsewhere in Europe and I am assuming your surname is British! Apologies.
Over 10 mins what is this
According to a Belgian newspaper we still have a couple 100 Van Beethoven's living in Belgium today... So if you are just looking for people with the same name... You can still find them in the country of his grandfather, Belgium... Back then it was the Netherlands... But now its of course Belgium.
are there any descendents of jean-baptiste lully, 1632-1687 left? he was a great composer of the baroque era, and court composer to king louis the fourteenth.
1:39 *more like 12 many times*
His family came from the Mechelen area, in modern day Belgium.
It seems Beethoven ancestors and of spring were either musiscans or members of the army hence the name and the meaning of his surname involes war and peace, precisely farms and military.
You know "I'll be Bach" seems to run in Sebastians family ... found over 1000 in US ...
Beetroot, farms... OGM DWIGHT!!!
Now that I know the meaning of Beethoven's name I can imagine Dwight Schrute loving him.
You should do are there any mussolinis left
There is
It's called my violin. Its name is Beethoven.
I found my favorite TH-camr crossover.
As a historian of science i cant wait to see this episode for the darwin family. I would be happy to help patrick with the research if needed
I’d ask for a study into the descendants of Jan Vermeer, the Dutch Renaissance painter, but as I am one of them it wouldn’t be terribly interesting. He has a lot of descendants.
hey i was actually thinking this question today! what a coincidence
Nice episode. On a different NOTE (get it?) are there any Tchaikovsky's left?
(His 'pastorale' symphony is my all-time favourite of his. The 9th is too overblown ( then again I feel the same way about La Gioconda))
I thought this video would be about present day deaf musicians. Despite the misunderstanding, I enjoyed the video very much.
There was and will only be one Beethoven. Nobody else has ever succeeded in doing what he did, and that's writing a orchestral, choral symphony while completely devoid of hearing. Nobody since his time has ever succeeded in interpreting Beethoven's work, but that's only because nobody else that ever interpreted his Ninth could conduct the entire thing while completely deaf quite like Ludwig did.
Soooo.... the last Beethoven was also called Karl :'D
8:20 Hermine is also the german name for Hermione from the Harry Potter Books/Movies!
The name was Ludwig von Beethoven in stead of Ludwig van Beethoven. "von" is German, "van" is Dutch. Translated it would be "from".
Damm that’s seriously cool I wish I could make this kind of videos
I have tried to look up if there are any Bachs left or if there are any Mozarts left and while Bach's family tree is super complicated, Mozart's is simple and it quickly leads me to an answer of inconclusive. Yeah, the only lineage I can find is that towards Leopold Mozart, who isn't to say that there are possibly people related to Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart's great grandfather living today that still bear the last name Mozart? And when I look up something along the lines of "Does anyone have the last name Mozart that is living" and surprisingly, I get quite a few results. Though these people certainly aren't descended from Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, they could still be distant, distant relatives of Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart. Or it could be that there have been multiple separate lineages with the last name of Mozart, who knows?
I really wish beethoven's family generations still decendants 'till now, like a great great grandchildren
Most classical long time families can't keep their decendants, there are just fews like queen Elizabeth. .
Or I just don't know..
Love the background music
Who composed it?
Guess
Are there any Van Goghs left?
Vincent may have had an illegitimate son called Willem
Vincent's brother, Theo has quite a few descendants, the most famous of them being the also named Theo Van Gogh, a controversial Dutch film director
I don't know if Cornelis, Vincent's other brother had any children
“Too many Karls…” * Cue the Rick & Carl Grimes meme *
Beethoven dedicated “Eroica” (aka “Symphony No.3”) to Napoleon, only to become disenchanted with the guy, later
Are there any Washington’s left? (George Washington) would be a great video I love this series even do you haven’t uploaded another video.
The song in the background is moonlight sonata 1st movement
Do the romanov family next
Cool Video!
Pls make a video on the descendants of Konfuzius.
Spoiler: There are millions...
There are probably still Beethovens. A quick genealogical search (gw.geneanet.org/jlerminiaux?lang=en&p=ludovicus&n=van+beethoven), this is the grandfather. But you have to travel back a long time for the other branches that survived Ludwigs branch. I found a Michel and Jean van Beethoven, born in 1950 and 1953, brothers. Also an Emilius van Beethoven, married around 1900, and having 5 sons. Their common ancestor is Aert (Arnold) van Beethoven (1535-1609). Ludwig is a descendant from eldest son Hendricx (via Mark, Cornelis, Michiel, Ludovicus, Johan to Ludwig). The others descended from younger sons Lambert and Jan. Hermine, daughter of Karl and Caroline married Emil Axmann, they had a son named Egon Axmann (1881-1926). Karoline married Franz Weidinger, Marie with Paul Weidinger and Gabriele with Robert Heimler. The family more or less lived and lives in Belgium, the southern part of the Netherlands (I saw Wouw, close to the Belgian border), Northern France and Western Germany.
Technically you are quite correct if the mere objective was looking for the name literally written in black and white, or on a birth cert. But to some of us, genius can be passed on in different shapes and form - genetically. You haven't actually looked at the female factors of the family tree of Karl's (Ludwig's nephew) next generations who must have also inherited or shared some of the genes of Ludwig and passed them on to their offsprings albeit, under a different surname altogether. I have no data to support this but somehow, we seem to discover how genius skips a generation (and even a direct lineage such as Karl not being Ludwig's own offspring) only to manifest itself again in another generation and in another gender and in another descendant. It wouldn't be bearing a "Beethoven" name per se, but the genes could be present in that person, unless, that last "Beethoven" gene-bearing factor might have died in the Titanic or in some war in Arabia : )
P.S.
some of those descendants also may not necessarily display their genius exclusively in music or other related arts, but may manifest their abilities in other fields such as politics or military. Just sharing an opinion.
Married and had no children?? what did they use? the withdrawal method? How does a married couple - considering all things in working order - avoid pregnancy, in the absence of effective or reliable contraceptive methods?
0:15 yep that's a like from me good sir.
WHİCH PROGRAMMES DO YOU USE? I AM FROM TURKEY I WANT TO BE A TH-camR LOOK LIKE YOU SO CAN YOU SAY THAT WHICH PROGRAMMES DO YOU USE PLEASE?
what’s the soundtrack name?
that momment when you push a video to 10 minutes and 1 second but it get's demonitized
So the question now is "where did he get that hair?"
This is so underated Jesus christ!
I was always taught von was used by the nobility and van was used by those who were not.
Nice video.
I have read many answers to that question, with the ine dated furthest back was in the 27th century bc. So, it would seem that cogs were a thing when beethoven was alive
4:44 did he really die in 1826 or do you want to check that??
(He died March 26th 1827!)
While I get that the point of this video is to see if there are any people alive now with the last name Beethoven (or van Beethoven), it would be neat if you had tried to figure out if any of the female relatives' offspring were still around. They would still be related to him even if they have a different surname.
10 minutes? I'm good with it ;)