Sold my 2 seater RR when we had our second girl. Wife has been saying she misses having a SXS (besides the defender).. this type of machine is probably where we will be at if we get back into it. We don't need the top of the line this time.
@@mjuhanil I'm not importing it to Canada. I explained in one of the captions in the video that it's owned by my father and my parents are both American citizens. Like a car it can be used in the US or Canada. It can be brought into Canada and used here. It cannot be sold here or left here permanently. There is a lot to it so you would need to look up the specifics online.
I go over some of the reasons we chose to go with a CFMOTO Z-Force 950 Sport 4 SXS as our four seater family cruiser. I know some of you will think it's an awesome choice and others may not. The reality is we wanted something different and something that more on a modest budget compared to some of the other machines. Let's be honest, I'd love to have a Polaris Xpedition ADV five seater or a Polaris RZR Pro R four seater but it's just way too much money. Since going full time with content creation I've had to adjust how I spend since I don't have a stable "career" or a stable income. I wanted to see if we could take a machine like this and turn it into a comfortable and capable family machine. Since we already have some other awesome two seaters in the stable I didn't need to cover as many bases with this machine which is why we ended up with this unit. So far I'm really happy with it. It's been working well and we have a bunch of upgrades to throw on it. Like always, I'll be giving you all a ton of unbiased and honest feedback on how this machine performs over the next few months. Next trail ride video we will be back in the #BattleWagon and we will be hitting some gnarly trails in Tennessee, hard. So don't worry, we aren't goin soft on ya. Thanks for watching and make sure to leave a comment.
Doesnt matter what anyone else thinks honestly. I had 3 buddies (XP 1000, KRX 1000, and Turbo R) all tell me how impressed they were of my Commander 700. Its been up to Dragons back, Sand mine, Tackett Creek and some nasty trails at Indian Mtn in Alabama. And all told me had tgey not seen me go up some of it they wouldnt even had tried. If you like the machine, it fits your budget, and does what you want it to do, thats really all that matters.
I have not exactly been a big fan of the CFMOTO brand in the past but you make a solid argument. But it really should be about the fun not posing withe the biggest, badest custom build that you are afraid to push because you got so much money tied up in it. I have been out with people in many different machines including some ratty little 400cc atvs and we all had a good time and sometimes the larger more expensive machines have more challenges than the simpler smaller machines. I remember some of your earlier videos with Super Greg beating the crap out of his 900 RZR and getting the work done. And how much more excitement when you see a guy with a simple machine do something you didnt think they could do. Nobody cheers too loud for the overbuilt machine that does what you already knew would be a walk in the park. I absolutely agree that the machine has to fit your budget, whatever that is. Good content as always.
Thanks man. Appreciate you and so many others looking at it logically. As you likely picked up, my main goal was to send the message you just identified. Get what you can and just ride. An old machine you use every weekend is 10x better than a brand new top of the line machine that just sits in a garage collecting dust. I feel a lot of people have lost touch with the core aspects that make riding fun. Think back to when we all started riding. We had older machines, they weren’t as capable but we likely had the most fun we will ever have riding on them.
The nail has now been hit squarely on its head. We all have many ideas of what we want and sometimes overlook what we need. Our SxS/ATV choices these days are vast and buyers can certainly find something that fits. Your unbiased reviews and the rides that you provide are much appreciated. Just have FUN! "07,Can-Am Outlander 650 MAX-XT, '23 Z Force 800 Trail.
Glad we see eye to eye man. The key is always to get what suits your needs and desires not someone else’s. I was taught to be happy with what I have and I truly am. People can say what they want about this machine but I like it. When I get in it and ride I have a grin from ear to ear. Just like my 2017 RZR turbo. I’ve owned the #BattleWagon since it was new. It’s been beat hard over the last 7 years and I still love every bit of it. Sure, I’d love a brand new RZR Pro R or a Maverick R. However, my 2017 RZR is built the way I want it. It’s an extension of my body at this point. I feel proud when I’m in it. I love driving it and it can still hold with most the newer machines. To me that’s half the fun. Some people always want the newest and flashiest stuff, I like it too but I don’t really have much of an ego to bolster so I just enjoy what I’ve got.
Great video! So many wonderful points. I bought my Commander Max ten months before the ZForce 4 was released. Blake and I have parked next to each other, just as we did in MS. The CFMoto and my Can Am are eerily similar. To that point, the quality, IMHO, is almost even as well. One thing for sure, the doors on the ZForce are better. I could’ve saved almost $6k USD and that because I went with an XT model, XTP (adjustable suspension, 30s and beadlocks) is almost $10k more. That covers the wheels, tires, clutch kit, tune, windshields, sound system and extra lights that I’d add to the ZForce. I love my Commander, but to say I didn’t pay a premium for a Can Am badge is a blatant fallacy. Keep up the great work! Your crystal clear honesty is refreshing. I can see why you and Blake hit it off. Can’t wait to ride with you again.
It was a pleasure meeting you in MS man. Your comment is spot on. Sometimes people forget I’ve spent the last 12 years around all of these various machines and watched them evolve. Some people may think I’m brand biased but I’m not. Just look at our crew, we ride it all and we all appreciate the various brands and models. I looked very closely at a can-am Maverick sport and commander before settling on this unit and you outlined many key reasons in your comment. I try to be as honest as I can and Blake is also an honest guy. My core goals are to promote Powersports in a sustainable and positive way so we can all keep enjoying what we are so passionate about for many many years to come.
Once again you nailed it. I looked at money factor over fun factor and I like having fun and like you said the price of one doesn’t keep it for breaking if you don’t take care of it.
Yup, they all break. They all have strengths and weaknesses. At the end of the day preventative and routine maintenance keep things reliable and the most important part of all machines is the nut behind the wheel, lol.
Glad to hear you’ve been enjoying your machine! I’ve enjoyed mine so far too. Haven’t drive it a ton yet but once I’m done doing some more upgrades and modifications i plan to be be using it a lot.
I bought the CF moto zforce 950 sport 4 a few months back. It's street legal with 30 inch tires and I've had it on some ROUGH trails. It has not disappointed me from the asphalt to some of the craziest mountain trails in western North Carolina. Never has it felt underpowered...not even once with the 30 inch tires and OEM clutch have I wished for more power. Great video on explaining the reasons for your purchase. I have literally spoken the same words to family and friends on why I bought the CF moto zforce sport 4.
Happy to hear our thoughts align and that you’ve been enjoying your machine. I have had a similar conversation with many many people off video also. As for the power, if you have a few extra dollars laying around at some point and want good value for an upgrade get yourself an MSC clutch kit, it’s a night and day difference. It really adds some snap to these machines.
Thanks Randy. At the end of the day we are out here to enjoy life and have as much fun as we can. Trying new machines adds to those experiences. Lot's of content coming, we will see how this thing does.
I had a z800 trail and loved it. I’m a big cf moto fan now and really wanted the Zforce 950 4 but I couldn’t afford one. I got blessed enough to trade even for a rzr 4 900 and couldn’t be happier. Now my family gets to enjoy the trails with me
That’s awesome man. The RZR 900 is a wicked platform in a two or 4 seater. It’s awesome you found a trade like that!! Happy to hear you and the family have been enjoying yourselves, that’s what it’s all about at the end of the day.
@@AdrenalineJunkieProd definitely a different machine! I look forward to a group ride with you one day, I missed you in Mississippi. I couldn’t leave the farm but it will happen one day hopefully!
Watching your videos on the cf motor, I’ve seen a change in your bias with these units. I applaud you for sticking your channel out there in cf motos material. It’s hard to break into the top 4 brands. Congratulations Julienne. Great job.
Thanks man. I’ve been getting some hate on even giving cf moto a chance. I’ve lost some long time subscribers as a result and that’s just the cold hard truth. However, I feel I’ve gained some great new viewers along the way, the positive overall outweighs the negative. I’ve also made some great new friends in the cfmoto community. When I decided to give the “lesser” brands a shot I did it to change things up. I’ve been making content for a really long time now on TH-cam and I needed a bit of a creative change to keep myself entertained. I openly doubted this brand and voiced that for many years. I promised to keep an open mind when I got one and my opinions have been shifted based on real world Experiences. Regardless of what some say, I’m not changing sides. I’m not out here telling people cfmoto is the best and to buy one. I’m just showing what they can do like we show with all the other machines. I think it being a Chinese company has a lot to do with the hate I’ve experienced but I’m not here to discuss politics, just how machines work. Absolutely everyone is making videos about the RZR and Maverick. I figured that since I’d been seeing more cfmoto everywhere I go people would want a real world comparison of these units. I still have 3 RZR’s at home but I’m a driver at heart. I enjoy driving any machine. They all offer a difference experience and I’ve really had fun driving the HO EX I have. I plan to add a few Segway units into the mix in the near future to further fuel this fire, lol. Heck…. Maybe I’ll get a Hisun…. That should really ruffle some feathers. At the end of the day my opinion is that any machine that can go out on a ride and generally keep up with the pack is a decent unit regardless of brand. You can hate Honda civics but a properly built and driven civic can destroy cars worth 4-5X as much on the track. So you can keep hating that civic but in a race a win is a win. Same applies on the trails in my mind. Thanks for taking the time to make such a well thought out and meaningful comment man. I appreciate your feedback.
I'm no hater of cfmoto (or any brand), I was set on buying a 2022 zforce 950 until I sat in one. I ended up buying my polaris pro xp 100% on comfort. At 6'4" and 320lbs, Cfmoto sat way too far upright and was too tight for my knees. If it was more comfortable, I would have definitely bought it (Gen 2 wasn't on the market at the time for me to try). Keep rockin'. Love your videos!
This video is absolutely awesome because its real life facts! budget is everything. youll have just as much fun being out with friends in a $30,000 machine as a $50,000 machine
I try to keep things real and the reality is that the biggest deciding factor in most vehicles purchases is budget. You can have just as much fun on a racetrack in a Ford mustang, VW golf or Honda civic as you can in a Porsche, Lamborghini or Ferrari. It's about appreciating what you have and what you can afford. The same goes for powersports. The best machine is the one you can ride the most and afford.
Ya, I also really like the way these look. I've never been totally sold on the styling of the Z-Force 950 HO EX models, but I liked these ones from the first time I seen one.
I have a 2017 arcticcat trail. Ive done a bunch of accessories and mods. All were done on a budget. I have still spent under 20 g Canadian owning it. I go everywhere everybody else does and im usually better prepared. Lol. I bought 1000 outlander atv with all the money i saved.
I started my sxs adventures in a cf moto 800 trail, needed a 4 seater with the young ones wanting to ride. I end up getting the kawasaki teryx 4. I having a great time in my teryx with the kids. I would have got a cf moto 4 seater if it was on the market when i was looking.
That’s a really solid unit and I don’t know how the heck I forgot to mention it in this video. I think that as far as CF Motos first four seater sport they came to the table with a great machine.
100% it is. We have all been guilty of brand bias. I have for sure. At the end of the day it's like we said in the video. It doesn't matter what you ride as long as you have a machine that gets you out riding.
CFMOTO you may give up a bit of the bells and whistles, not as much as in the past though. I'm on my second one now, first came the 21 UForce 800 nice machine .... nice roomy with enough power just a little rough. I wouldn't have been as comfortable after a 12 hour run like I had today. Second came along when I wanted more comfort, the sole reason to upgrade I bought the 23 950 HO EX .... not quite as roomy as the UForce was but way better ride. Just cranked over the 2000KM mark today, since November no Issues at all just a torn CVBoot ..... Loving it. If I would have had to buy Polaris or CanAm I would have been forced to buy used, maybe someone else's problems .... who knows. I'm out riding and having fun that's the big difference. Still considering the Dacker Rally but not sure if I'll be ready .... who knows you may see me there.
Great input man. All valid points. My 2022 Z-Force 950 HO EX has been bullet proof so far too and I've been hard on it. I drive it like a rental. It's not as comfortable as my RZR Turbo, doesn't have as much power but it is honestly a ton of fun to drive. It's peppy and responsive. It sounds wicked with the GGB exhaust system. It's been reliable. It's got less than half of what I've got into my RZR Turbo invested into it and it is far from half the machine. Let haters hate, but if you look at it logically with an open mind then you can't argue that the quality and performance of the CF Moto machines has improved drastically over the last 4-6 years. Many of you will know that many times over the years I spoke negatively about the brand because back then they left a lot to be desired. I am open minded and realistic enough to admit when things change though. Some people won't like CF Moto no matter what, just like some guys will never like a Ford Truck or a Honda car. The variety keeps things interesting.
Right now I’m thinking about buying a four seater. Have three grandkids that I want to ride with. Can’t do it in my ranger. The price point is my main deciding factor.
Riding with family is always a great time. So many wonderful memories to be made. With price point being the main factor the cfmoto lineup is worth looking at.
Greetings from germany =) After watching your Videos for many many years, i purchased my first side by side - a Cfmoto 950 Sport 2 seater. I‘ll get it next week. They are a Little More expensive in germany, but much much cheaper than Can-Am etc.. Hope it was the right decision 😊 Thanks a lot for your content, that helped me a lot
What’s the top speed on that 4 seater? Would love to see an acceleration video up to top speed with just a driver, and one with 4 ppl in it. Also, would like to see how a stock one compares in acceleration and top speed to Blakes with 32’s, clutching, and tune. Great video and considering one of these units heavily, especially after watching this. You make all valid points! Keep up the awesome content!
Great video many valid points big take away is you can be out there having fun in a quality machine without going in debt up to your eyeballs just to impress the neighbors by the brand name . I watch both of your chanalls and didn't own a sxs till one day I went to dealer and test rode an 800 trail my wife drove it around and because they were such a deal price wise we got two of them . I will be getting ahold of MSC for parts ,clutch kits ,tunes and tires and wheels for my 950 HOEX 2024 and a tune and clutch kit for the 800 trail 2024 . Thank you for being so realistic about the CF Moto choice and why it made since to buy what you bought . God bless take care .
Glad you enjoy both my videos and Blake’s. Happy to hear you guys have been having fun on your units. The team at MSC is absolutely awesome. Blake is a great advocate for the brand and the sport in general and I’m lucky to call him my friend. I try to keep as open of a mind I can in everything life throws at me. I try to be logical which is why I said what I said. Some won’t agree but I believe many will, like yourself.
Glad you can relate to the views. I still feel that the people who are most vocal against CF Moto are the ones who have the least experience around them.
100% . Everyone that bashes them hasn't owned one. I was hesitant before buying my 950 ho ex. 500 miles on 32s and it goes everywhere my friends go in the big boys. And it cost half as much. No it's not a pro r. But it's a very solid machine
@@outdoorbluecollarlife yup. I too was incredibly hesitant as many know. My HO EX has served me well with no issues. It’s fun to drive, sounds great and performs very well. Is it as plush of a ride, no. Is it a pretty as some of the others, no. Does the brand carry the status of some of the more designer brands, no. Can it do 90% of what the other machines can for half the cost, yes. I never tell anyone what to buy, instead I try to provide truthful unbiased information to let people conclude what’s best for their needs. Happy to hear you’ve been enjoying your machine man.
@AdrenalineJunkieProd just need to up the aftermarket for them. We also have a wildcat xx which I and the wife love. Sadly there is more support now behind cfmoto then cat.
Well said , as a lot of people tend to blow there budget getting the latest and greatest , then don’t have the money to take care of their machine or arent able to ride that often , and bottom line no matter what brand you have , you will have fun , but amongst buddies you know the deal , the rzr is better then his Krx or the cfmoto is better then the Yamaha ha ha bugging will never change lol
Ya, I think it’s important to live within your means. It’s like when people go out and spend 100k on a car and complain about fuel costs. If you can truly afford a 100k car you likely shouldn’t be concerned with fuelling it. If you want to save money on fuel for buy a nice used car for 30k and save yourself 70k. Same goes for the SXS world. Buy what you can afford and what serves your needs. When we are out riding it’s like you said, we bust chops. We egg eachother on and make fun of eachother. It’s half the fun. But when you make it up a climb and the rest don’t, no one cares what you’re driving. We give credit where credit is due. It’s about fun at the end of the day.
I'm pretty sure 3 Star Industries makes a full cab inclosure for the sport 4. if its not out yet, it will be soon. oidk how much it costs but you might want to check into that.
Ya they do make one Chad. My friend Justin who you've seen riding with us in some of the videos works for 3 Star. I'll have a full enclosure going on this thing as well as heat this winter. I'm excited about it.
I was just watching your 950EX video and am curious what "camera girl"( not going to butcher the spelling of her name) thinks of the the 4 seater? We just got ours 3 weeks ago and we love it.
Hey Geoff, Kseniia (lol) and I both like it. The ride quality stock wasn't bad but now that we have put 32's on it the ride is much more plush with the extra tire sidewall. We haven't had a ton of seat time in it yet but overall when you factor in the price point it rides well, even with 4 people in it. The factory seats could use a little more cushion in our opinion but they are far from the worst factory seats we have sat in. I feel that if we put in a set of nice suspension seats this thing would feel really nice. I'm also going to explore options for upgraded springs in the future. Overall though, so far we are happy. Congrats on your new ride too!!
Hey, (my name is Joe) I have a Teryx4 S not an expedition, c'mon give me a little credit. It does everything I want it to do, for a fraction of the price of some of the machines people buy. PS: I met y'all at Windrock last fall, pulling with my Jeep if y'all remember. Even had a snippet in a video after talking to you guys
Hey man, I remember! I should have included the Teryx 4 in the video just like I also should have included the Talon 4. I just forgot about those two unfortunately. They are great machines and can be scooped up for a solid deal used these days.
I’m really looking into the rmax4 something that can be a trail cruiser or a little more nimble and capable on technical trails. Really like the look of the zforce sport looking forward to see what all you do to it!
The RMAX4 is a solid all around performer. It does great on the trails. I'm pretty excited about this new 4 seater. It's a totally different experience. Ican't wait to start building it up.
So does the American version have the blinkers for the 4 seater? I just bought a 2 seat Zforce 950 sport. I'm very happy with it, especially for the money.
Great veido makes me want to go buy one I owned a gen1 zforce 800 the onley thing is the after market forgot about this machine the bulk of stuff out like said aarims ect.... are for the UForce or the HO ex if this one had the same things to go after 🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯
Thanks. Glad you liked the video. Ya, aftermarket used to be an issue on the older models. However, now that’s changing quickly. The Z-Force 950 HO EX has large aftermarket support. The newer U-Force machines do too. The options for this 950 Sport are also growing quickly with a ton already available. Same goes for their newer ATV’s.
That's one machine I accidentally left out. I was focusing on other 4 seater models for this video and the 4 seater Honda Talon isn't available in Canada as far as I know. I should have included it though, just forgot.
I'm just starting the video and I'm agreeing with you on the family rigs have different needs. But how is the turning radius on the 4 door zforce? I am looking forward to seeing this vs other 4 seaters
The turning radius leaves a bit to be desired as you'd expect from a limo like this, however, on regular trails its fine. I don't have tons of seat time in it yet and no really tight technical trail time yet. You'll be seeing more real world trail content coming.
Absolutely crazy to me that an optioned expedition costs as much as a 3/4 ton pickup or decently optioned half ton. Theyre a cool rig but just too expensive, especially since you can't really fully register/license it. Heck, for that 80k or a little more you could have one of these CF Motos or a used rzr AND s dedicated real offroad rig used. Jeep, toyota etc. If it was cheaper it'd make sense, but at that price it just fits in an odd spot for me.
Ya, I’m with you man. The price is out to lunch. I think new truck prices are ludicrous but this is just next level. If they were totally street level where we are then maybe just maybe I could justify it, but they aren’t. Don’t get me wrong, the Xpedition is a sweet machine but I just must not be loaded enough lol.
I've heard you refer to a 5-year warranty several times, but the CF Moto website only says a 1-year. Where is the five year coming from? Is that a Canada thing?
Yes. In Canada they all come with a standard 5 year warranty which is an awesome feature. The dealer network here has become pretty decent too. In the video I included a caption that mentioned that warranty terms and final prices vary depending on where you are located. Since we have viewers all over the world I tried to be as inclusive as possible. It’s just hard to cover everything.
@@AdrenalineJunkieProd Thanks- I agree that a five year warranty is an incredible benefit, and would be a huge factor in the final decision. Hopefully, it is something they will offer soon in the U.S.!
I had my eyes on these but got agreat deal on a 23 Rmax4 1000 XT-R, these where not available for another 8 months, recently saw a 24 for 16,500 and definitely would saved 7k! Well more like 4 cuz 3k would of gone straight to midifications 😂!
These Z-Force 950 sports look very similar to the Can-Am competition when you look at them closely. You can see they definitely took “inspiration” from the Maverick Sport and Commander, lol.
Short answer is no, not easily. But yes, you can import vehicles if you follow the proper procedures. It is not worth it on a new machine and not all vehicles are acceptable to import. It's not a simple answer. I explained in the captions within the video how I've got it setup. If you want specific info on how to import and what's involved the best place to look is on the Canadian and US border/customs websites. In Canada you would also check out the transportation Canada website.
I agree, I'm blessed and lucky enough to have a Polaris Xpedition XP North Star. It's the machine that fit the needs of my family the most. We just came back from so serious riding in the Arkansas mountains and it was more than up to the task.
That's awesome! Glad to hear you guys had a fun trip. My friend Zack that runs the Dirt Dudes UTV channel has one and loves it. I still really want one too, but as I explained in the video, I just can't justify the cost at this time. It would stress my finances too much at this time. I can't wait to see where they take that platform into the future. Maybe if I am lucky and things go well I can own one in the future too.
@@AdrenalineJunkieProd my wife has M.S. and can become really sensitive to heat, so A/C was a must if we (me and our sons) wanted her to come ride with us. It is an expensive purchase, but it lets her go enjoy the outdoors which helped me justify the cost. I'll be posting a video soon on my channel where I give my full thoughts about it. Keep up the good work, I love your content!
@@monstermini225 That makes a ton of sense in your case. I'm happy to hear this machine can help get you guys out on the trails as a family. Stoked you enjoy the content. I'll check out your video.
I already have 3 RZR's and a 2 seater CF Moto that has served me way better than I ever expected it would. Factoring in those machines and that I was after a family cruiser I felt this was a solid choice on a more "reasonable" budget. It's a nice looking machine that's quite refined compared to many of their previous models and I know that they will sell a lot of these units. It just made sense to get something not everyone else that is creating content is driving. Time will tell if this was a good choice or not. Like always I will be open with my opinions and I will be truthful as to how the machine holds together. It's fun playing as the underdog from time to time. If I enjoy it and it treats me well I'll hold on to it for a while. If it disappoints me and lets me down I'll cut my loses and try something different. That's that. I still believe you get what you pay for generally speaking and as I said in the video if I could only have one machine then this is not the unit I would pick. I don't know how I could be more open and honest than that.
@@johndeerefarmer4483 I mention in the video I got a really Solid discount on this unit. Everything I say here is legit though. They offered me the discount after I told Blake I was going to buy one.
I had been a long time subscriber but this is just tough to watch. For what it’s worth, I’m not into SXS but I always loved your videos - trail riding, time with friends/family. Your videos had always been so amazing, well videoed (is that a word?) and amazingly edited. But sadly, I really don’t know what’s been happening. As mentioned, I don’t trail ride, but always lived vicariously through your videos. That said, this is NOT unbiased - so why are we pretending here? This is just a 28 minute sales pitch, all pros and not ONE single CON? Isn’t there anything you’re concerned about? Is there not features, technology or components that would have at least provided some balance to the equation. No, let’s pander to CFmoto while standing next to a CFmoto dealer while wearing a CFMoto sweatshirt and hat and call that unbiased? It’s not even that CFMoto is a Chinese company, I couldn’t care less; for what it’s worth I do appreciate you telling us that this was discounted and I understand totally your reasoning for buying this unit. However, this just feels so.. fake. It’s all just upfront cost, got it, it’s cheaper point taken. What about total cost of ownership, availability of parts, dealer network, repairability, and last but not least manufacturer reputation. I would almost guarantee that a Honda would retain a higher resale value over this - period, should that not factor in? Apology for the wall of text, I am very happy for you and your new machine - I’m sure it will be a wonderful unit for you and your family. I just didn’t initially tune in so many years back for what is now just a giant propaganda piece.
Hey man. I hear ya. I value your feedback and your viewership. It was an explanation of why I got this machine. It’s not really a sales pitch to be honest. I openly said if I could only have e one machine this would not be it. Since we have a few units it’s a great addition as a budget family cruiser. The ride videos aren’t going anywhere. The reality is in order to do this fulltime like I’m doing now I have to vary the content a bit. That’s the honest truth. I still have three RZR’s parked in my garage. The last cfmoto I got has served me very very well. Is resale good? No, not as good as some of the bigger brands but the aftermarket is most definitely catching up. I’m not really being biased, as I truthfully like this machine. When i got the first cfmoto I promised I’d keep an open mind and I have. Truthfully part of me wanted it to fall apart and another part of me thought it wouldn’t stand a chance. I was wrong and I’ve voiced that. Time will tell how long it will hold together. My intention isn’t to turn away long term viewers like you. If you don’t enjoy some of the non-riding content then it’s cool to ignore it. Blake is legitimately a friend of mine. Yes, he works for a cfmoto dealership but our families are friends. Wives get along, kids love eachother. I don’t just go around whoring myself out to any dealer or brand. You know that. It’s hard being in my shoes sometimes too. I’ve been blessed to be able to pursue this passion of mine fulltime but I do still need to pay the bills. If this machine falls apart I will show it. If it does well, I will show it. The team at MSC has told me to be honest and have not given me any direction content wise. They are good people which is why i support them. They have also helped me and are helping support my passion and project. I really do value all your feedback and I personally struggle myself with having to put out content that isn’t just focused on riding. That’s the cold hard truth. My goals are pure though. I still focus on providing meaningful and entertaining content. I love this industry and I’m super passionate about it. If you like discovery channel and you like a bunch of the shows you won’t stop watching it if they air one show you don’t like. All I ask of you and my other viewers is the same courtesy. There may be some content you enjoy more and some you don’t like as much. I’m trying my best here to find a healthy and tasteful balance while maintaining sponsor/partner relationships and also having fun with friends and family. This project and this channel would not be possible without my partners, that’s just the reality of it. I hope you can understand where I am coming from. With all that being said, I will take your feedback to heart and do my best to use it in a positive way to improve future content. Thanks for taking the time to leave me such detailed feedback.
That's 30K out the door tax and fees included. I'd assume the big price difference would be related to our outrageous Canadian taxes. Things here have gotten quite out of hand, from gasoline, to groceries. Prices are just soaring out of control on everything.
@@AdrenalineJunkieProd must be a commonwealth thing. Same garbage is happening here also. But obviously not on buggies lol. I picked up my 23 zforce 1000 sport R for 22k drive away. Can ams and polaris prices are ridiculous though. Looking around high 40k to mid 50k
well dont forget the other reason to go cfmotto you know because there awesome. we took our 950 ho out for a 6 hour ride through the Oceola national forest here in north Florida this morning. as always awesome ride . i want to hug you guys ever time i go out. for helping with all your videos showing what there capable of. i really needed the cheaper price becoming disabled at 49 years old .thanks again guys hope to be lucky enough to shake yalls hand one day
Hey man. Super happy to hear you’ve been out packing on the miles and having a ton of fun. The best machine is the one that gets used the most. I’ve driven a 2004 vw golf tdi for like 15 years. I’ve built it quite heavily over those years but overall it’s a cheaper old car that’s rough around the edges but is sooooo damn fun to drive and so cheap to operate. People rip by me in their expensive new cars and they are sweet, I’d love to have one, however, I really do think I’m having more fun in my little go cart. I love how it stinks, I love how it pushes me back in the seat when it hits over 30 psi on the boost gauge and rolls coal like a freight train. Others prob look at it and think they would never want to drive it, well I’d never want to get rid of it. Experiences in life are so subjective. To one man $100 dollars is not much to another $1000 is not much to many $10,000 is not much but to some $10 is a lot. When the man who values $10 has fun he isn’t experiencing any less joy. I think people need to reconnect with the true values and reasons we like to ride. A true rider can appreciate and enjoy any machine. I really do hope we can cross paths on the trails in the future because I know we would have a wonderful time riding together.
@@AdrenalineJunkieProd yes sir look forward to meeting on the trail one day maybe some day when you're coming down to one of the events in miss or Tenn i will be able to come up and catch you and by the way i will be the fella pulling his rig behind a 1995 dodge Cummins truck driving right by those 90.000 new trucks on the side of the road with their hood up lol. You guys have fun be careful and keep putting out the great videos
Cant compare stock axles when 1 machine is 90hp and not enough hp to break an axle and a 4 seater on a arm rear is a poor ride. Atleaat a polaris, krx or can am has radius rod rear suspension. U get what u pay for.
It wasn't really a serious comparison axle wise. Just an example that the components aren't all that bad. Polaris RZR Sport models and Can-Am Maverick Sport models also run rear a-arms. This is a 60 inch sport model. My 2022 Z-Force 950 HO EX has trailing arm rear end with radius rods. You do get what you pay for, that's exactly what we talked about. The decision the buyer needs to make is how much do they want to spend based on their needs and expectations. I have a fully built RZR Turbo, my intentions with this machine are much more modest. I think the take away here is that if you are on a tighter budget and have realistic expectation then it's a machine worth considering. I will be testing it long term so we will see how it does. I'm not pro CF Moto or Pro Polaris or Pro Kawasaki. I really do like features of all the machines. What I like most though is being out riding and seeing how all the machines stack up against each other in real world conditions, side by side.
It's like comparing a honda to a hynduai. I'll take a honda no warranty over a hyndaui with a 10 yr warranty. Honda ya ain't gonna need it but hyndaui it will be expensive to repair and be in shop alot
The message in this video wasn’t so much about the specific machine. It was about just getting what you like or what you can afford and getting out there and riding with good people. No matter what machine you choose some people will like it and some will hate it. All that matters is that you are happy.
love your channel, excellent commentary, excellent videos and quality but i personally cannot support China more than i have to, I hear your arguments but not going to support China, especially with so many other great toys available,
Hey man. No argument out of me. To each his own. Happy to hear you enjoy the channel. When I make videos I simply focus on the machines and what they have to offer. I don't focus on the political end of things. I know there has been quite a bit of CFMOTO related content lately and even some Segway stuff but it's not me changing sides or anything. Just trying to shake things up to keep them interesting. At the end of the day when it comes down to it if I had to choose I'd still say I'm a Polaris guy at heart but I've been trying to keep an open mind and try some new things. As we move forward things will continue to evolve and machines will hopefully keep changing too. I'd love to bring some other machines onto the fleet but I just can't afford to purchase the flagship models from the other brands and those other brands don't seem interested in offering me any kind of a break or opportunity to showcase their products unfortunately. I work with what I've got and what I can get my hands on, that's the reality of it.
I know that makes some people uncomfortable and I agree that we should support North American and European businesses before those in Asia but like you mentioned, it’s everywhere. If prices are similar I’ll buy North American made over Chinese but in the current economy I’m more interested in keeping money in my own pockets. I know that this mindset is part of the problem overall, I’m not naive to that. I know that being complacent like this is part of what got us to this point but I also believe that the problem is so large at this point that I myself or the average Joe can’t really do much about it in the bigger picture. Our market is flooded with offshore goods. I know it may not be the best answer or view. To be honest though, I didn’t even think of that as a variable when choosing this machine. Just wanted to get something more budget friendly and have fun with my family. I’d argue that the only silver lining is that you can support American brands still driving a machine like this. MSC is a USA owned company employing many small town Americans. Many American brands make aftermarket parts and accessories for these machines like skid plates from Trail Armor or suspension components from Moorehead Engineering. GGB exhaust systems are manufactured in Canada, etc.
Not only are the majority of parts in your machine made in China, but so are most things you buy on Amazon and the household items you own. Unless you ensuring that everything you buy made in America, Canada or Europe. If you can afford something more expensive, go ahead. However, we are both self-employed with two kids, living in a challenging economy. We still want to enjoy life, travel, and show our kids the world through riding, and this machine fit our budget. I don’t understand why people think that creating videos on TH-cam makes us automatically millionaires. We are just ordinary people who want to get the most out of life through experiences. Why would we buy an expensive machine if we can't use it often? We've saved a lot of money, which we can invest in taking our family riding somewhere exciting.
@@kseniiajasinski yup, exactly. That’s the main reason we got it. Kseniia and I had many long discussions about which machine was right for us. Like we discussed in the video, we really did weigh out all the options before choosing this unit. The choice had nothing to do with supporting China. It was about getting maximum bang for buck. The reality is that it’s our governments that have sold us out and let us down. It’s not the average citizen that is to blame for our current state of economy. Look at the political mess we are in both in the United States and Canada. That has nothing to do with decisions I’ve made or most average citizens have made. There are so many problems in the world and unfortunately we can’t just fix them. So what we choose to do is adapt and survive. We put our family and friends first and make the decisions we need to make to accomplish that.
You was actually judging machines not too long ago and now your eating your words,just be real and quit knocking stuff and turning around and eating your words,people pay attention that are watching
What was I knocking? I'm quite open. I openly knocked CF Moto a few years back, I've admitted that multiple times and I've had a CF Moto for around a year before getting this one. A few years back their machines were nothing like they are now. Opinions change. I often say I like all the machines. They all have pros and cons. We all have out favorites but I don't really feel I "knock" one brand more than any other. We bust chops on rides and obviously we all "judge" machines based on performance but I think most would agree I'm pretty open minded and try to be as unbiased as I can. Anytime you voice an opinion publicly some people won't agree.
How does this affect my families life? It's a machine we got for light to moderate trail riding. That's like saying you shouldn't drive a 2015 mini van or SUV because a brand new mini van or Cadillac Escalade is "safer" because it's newer. So do people who drive a Kia or Hyundai put a value on their families lives too? I'm not trying to be argumentative but your comment ignores the fact that many people can't just "spend more" on something. I get it, you don't like the CF Moto, it's Chinese crap, lol. The underlying message in this video is not to go buy a CF Moto or a Polaris or a Can-Am specifically. It's to buy what suits your perceived needs and current budget.
Wish TN wasn’t so far and also wish you guys in Mississippi weren’t so dang far. Still well worth the drive. It’s always a pleasure spending time with you, your family and the whole crew at MSC. Some people may think it’s just a sales pitch but there’s a lot more to it than that. It’s a group of friends and like minded individuals all pursing a common passion. We all have to work, some of us are just lucky enough to do something we really enjoy.
THUMBS UP if you think the Z-Force 950 Sport has potential as a family oriented trail cruiser!
So you bought that down at main Street cycle? Are you going to be able to bring it back to Canada?
Sold my 2 seater RR when we had our second girl. Wife has been saying she misses having a SXS (besides the defender).. this type of machine is probably where we will be at if we get back into it. We don't need the top of the line this time.
@@mjuhanil I'm not importing it to Canada. I explained in one of the captions in the video that it's owned by my father and my parents are both American citizens. Like a car it can be used in the US or Canada. It can be brought into Canada and used here. It cannot be sold here or left here permanently. There is a lot to it so you would need to look up the specifics online.
@@Version135 Similar to the logic that led me to this choice also.
I go over some of the reasons we chose to go with a CFMOTO Z-Force 950 Sport 4 SXS as our four seater family cruiser. I know some of you will think it's an awesome choice and others may not. The reality is we wanted something different and something that more on a modest budget compared to some of the other machines. Let's be honest, I'd love to have a Polaris Xpedition ADV five seater or a Polaris RZR Pro R four seater but it's just way too much money. Since going full time with content creation I've had to adjust how I spend since I don't have a stable "career" or a stable income. I wanted to see if we could take a machine like this and turn it into a comfortable and capable family machine. Since we already have some other awesome two seaters in the stable I didn't need to cover as many bases with this machine which is why we ended up with this unit. So far I'm really happy with it. It's been working well and we have a bunch of upgrades to throw on it. Like always, I'll be giving you all a ton of unbiased and honest feedback on how this machine performs over the next few months. Next trail ride video we will be back in the #BattleWagon and we will be hitting some gnarly trails in Tennessee, hard. So don't worry, we aren't goin soft on ya. Thanks for watching and make sure to leave a comment.
Doesnt matter what anyone else thinks honestly. I had 3 buddies (XP 1000, KRX 1000, and Turbo R) all tell me how impressed they were of my Commander 700. Its been up to Dragons back, Sand mine, Tackett Creek and some nasty trails at Indian Mtn in Alabama. And all told me had tgey not seen me go up some of it they wouldnt even had tried. If you like the machine, it fits your budget, and does what you want it to do, thats really all that matters.
I agree 100% man. At the end of the day all that matters is you are out riding. If your machine gets where the others do then it's a good unit.
I have not exactly been a big fan of the CFMOTO brand in the past but you make a solid argument. But it really should be about the fun not posing withe the biggest, badest custom build that you are afraid to push because you got so much money tied up in it. I have been out with people in many different machines including some ratty little 400cc atvs and we all had a good time and sometimes the larger more expensive machines have more challenges than the simpler smaller machines. I remember some of your earlier videos with Super Greg beating the crap out of his 900 RZR and getting the work done. And how much more excitement when you see a guy with a simple machine do something you didnt think they could do. Nobody cheers too loud for the overbuilt machine that does what you already knew would be a walk in the park. I absolutely agree that the machine has to fit your budget, whatever that is. Good content as always.
Thanks man. Appreciate you and so many others looking at it logically. As you likely picked up, my main goal was to send the message you just identified. Get what you can and just ride. An old machine you use every weekend is 10x better than a brand new top of the line machine that just sits in a garage collecting dust. I feel a lot of people have lost touch with the core aspects that make riding fun. Think back to when we all started riding. We had older machines, they weren’t as capable but we likely had the most fun we will ever have riding on them.
The nail has now been hit squarely on its head. We all have many ideas of what we want and sometimes overlook what we need. Our SxS/ATV choices these days are vast and buyers can certainly find something that fits. Your unbiased reviews and the rides that you provide are much appreciated. Just have FUN! "07,Can-Am Outlander 650 MAX-XT, '23 Z Force 800 Trail.
Glad we see eye to eye man. The key is always to get what suits your needs and desires not someone else’s. I was taught to be happy with what I have and I truly am. People can say what they want about this machine but I like it. When I get in it and ride I have a grin from ear to ear. Just like my 2017 RZR turbo. I’ve owned the #BattleWagon since it was new. It’s been beat hard over the last 7 years and I still love every bit of it. Sure, I’d love a brand new RZR Pro R or a Maverick R. However, my 2017 RZR is built the way I want it. It’s an extension of my body at this point. I feel proud when I’m in it. I love driving it and it can still hold with most the newer machines. To me that’s half the fun. Some people always want the newest and flashiest stuff, I like it too but I don’t really have much of an ego to bolster so I just enjoy what I’ve got.
I just got a Gen 3 1000 toring from them on Wednesday it's amazing 4 wheeler
What’s was the otd price?
Congrats! They are such nice machines. CF Moto really really stepped it up multiple notches with the new Gen 3 ATV's. Enjoy the new ride man!!
Great video! So many wonderful points. I bought my Commander Max ten months before the ZForce 4 was released. Blake and I have parked next to each other, just as we did in MS. The CFMoto and my Can Am are eerily similar. To that point, the quality, IMHO, is almost even as well. One thing for sure, the doors on the ZForce are better. I could’ve saved almost $6k USD and that because I went with an XT model, XTP (adjustable suspension, 30s and beadlocks) is almost $10k more. That covers the wheels, tires, clutch kit, tune, windshields, sound system and extra lights that I’d add to the ZForce. I love my Commander, but to say I didn’t pay a premium for a Can Am badge is a blatant fallacy.
Keep up the great work! Your crystal clear honesty is refreshing. I can see why you and Blake hit it off. Can’t wait to ride with you again.
It was a pleasure meeting you in MS man. Your comment is spot on. Sometimes people forget I’ve spent the last 12 years around all of these various machines and watched them evolve. Some people may think I’m brand biased but I’m not. Just look at our crew, we ride it all and we all appreciate the various brands and models. I looked very closely at a can-am Maverick sport and commander before settling on this unit and you outlined many key reasons in your comment. I try to be as honest as I can and Blake is also an honest guy. My core goals are to promote Powersports in a sustainable and positive way so we can all keep enjoying what we are so passionate about for many many years to come.
Once again you nailed it. I looked at money factor over fun factor and I like having fun and like you said the price of one doesn’t keep it for breaking if you don’t take care of it.
Yup, they all break. They all have strengths and weaknesses. At the end of the day preventative and routine maintenance keep things reliable and the most important part of all machines is the nut behind the wheel, lol.
I purchased a cfmoto 950 sport 4 and absolutely love it. Hitting trails in Maine. Best purchase ever?..... probably !
Glad to hear you’ve been enjoying your machine! I’ve enjoyed mine so far too. Haven’t drive it a ton yet but once I’m done doing some more upgrades and modifications i plan to be be using it a lot.
I bought the CF moto zforce 950 sport 4 a few months back. It's street legal with 30 inch tires and I've had it on some ROUGH trails. It has not disappointed me from the asphalt to some of the craziest mountain trails in western North Carolina. Never has it felt underpowered...not even once with the 30 inch tires and OEM clutch have I wished for more power. Great video on explaining the reasons for your purchase. I have literally spoken the same words to family and friends on why I bought the CF moto zforce sport 4.
Happy to hear our thoughts align and that you’ve been enjoying your machine. I have had a similar conversation with many many people off video also. As for the power, if you have a few extra dollars laying around at some point and want good value for an upgrade get yourself an MSC clutch kit, it’s a night and day difference. It really adds some snap to these machines.
@@AdrenalineJunkieProd ok..you talked me into it. I've ordered the clutch kit from MSC. I hope it is what you say it is....
How you still liking it is it still reliable?
I agree with your thoughts. Got tired of pouring money into my X3. Went YXZ & unless I want to add something it just works.
One heck of an unbiased presentation Julian. I wish you safe travels with the fam and look forward to the camera rolling. Mad Respect
Thanks Randy. At the end of the day we are out here to enjoy life and have as much fun as we can. Trying new machines adds to those experiences. Lot's of content coming, we will see how this thing does.
I had a z800 trail and loved it. I’m a big cf moto fan now and really wanted the Zforce 950 4 but I couldn’t afford one. I got blessed enough to trade even for a rzr 4 900 and couldn’t be happier. Now my family gets to enjoy the trails with me
That’s awesome man. The RZR 900 is a wicked platform in a two or 4 seater. It’s awesome you found a trade like that!! Happy to hear you and the family have been enjoying yourselves, that’s what it’s all about at the end of the day.
@@AdrenalineJunkieProd definitely a different machine! I look forward to a group ride with you one day, I missed you in Mississippi. I couldn’t leave the farm but it will happen one day hopefully!
Watching your videos on the cf motor, I’ve seen a change in your bias with these units. I applaud you for sticking your channel out there in cf motos material. It’s hard to break into the top 4 brands. Congratulations Julienne. Great job.
Thanks man. I’ve been getting some hate on even giving cf moto a chance. I’ve lost some long time subscribers as a result and that’s just the cold hard truth. However, I feel I’ve gained some great new viewers along the way, the positive overall outweighs the negative. I’ve also made some great new friends in the cfmoto community. When I decided to give the “lesser” brands a shot I did it to change things up. I’ve been making content for a really long time now on TH-cam and I needed a bit of a creative change to keep myself entertained. I openly doubted this brand and voiced that for many years. I promised to keep an open mind when I got one and my opinions have been shifted based on real world Experiences. Regardless of what some say, I’m not changing sides. I’m not out here telling people cfmoto is the best and to buy one. I’m just showing what they can do like we show with all the other machines. I think it being a Chinese company has a lot to do with the hate I’ve experienced but I’m not here to discuss politics, just how machines work. Absolutely everyone is making videos about the RZR and Maverick. I figured that since I’d been seeing more cfmoto everywhere I go people would want a real world comparison of these units. I still have 3 RZR’s at home but I’m a driver at heart. I enjoy driving any machine. They all offer a difference experience and I’ve really had fun driving the HO EX I have. I plan to add a few Segway units into the mix in the near future to further fuel this fire, lol. Heck…. Maybe I’ll get a Hisun…. That should really ruffle some feathers. At the end of the day my opinion is that any machine that can go out on a ride and generally keep up with the pack is a decent unit regardless of brand. You can hate Honda civics but a properly built and driven civic can destroy cars worth 4-5X as much on the track. So you can keep hating that civic but in a race a win is a win. Same applies on the trails in my mind. Thanks for taking the time to make such a well thought out and meaningful comment man. I appreciate your feedback.
I'm no hater of cfmoto (or any brand), I was set on buying a 2022 zforce 950 until I sat in one. I ended up buying my polaris pro xp 100% on comfort. At 6'4" and 320lbs, Cfmoto sat way too far upright and was too tight for my knees. If it was more comfortable, I would have definitely bought it (Gen 2 wasn't on the market at the time for me to try). Keep rockin'. Love your videos!
Perfect example on how what works for one person just won’t suit another. The RZR is a beast of a machine. I’m sure you’re loving it man!
This video is absolutely awesome because its real life facts! budget is everything. youll have just as much fun being out with friends in a $30,000 machine as a $50,000 machine
I try to keep things real and the reality is that the biggest deciding factor in most vehicles purchases is budget. You can have just as much fun on a racetrack in a Ford mustang, VW golf or Honda civic as you can in a Porsche, Lamborghini or Ferrari. It's about appreciating what you have and what you can afford. The same goes for powersports. The best machine is the one you can ride the most and afford.
I like the way it looks and really like the full doors with exterior door handles
Ya, I also really like the way these look. I've never been totally sold on the styling of the Z-Force 950 HO EX models, but I liked these ones from the first time I seen one.
I have a 2017 arcticcat trail. Ive done a bunch of accessories and mods. All were done on a budget. I have still spent under 20 g Canadian owning it. I go everywhere everybody else does and im usually better prepared. Lol. I bought 1000 outlander atv with all the money i saved.
I started my sxs adventures in a cf moto 800 trail, needed a 4 seater with the young ones wanting to ride. I end up getting the kawasaki teryx 4. I having a great time in my teryx with the kids. I would have got a cf moto 4 seater if it was on the market when i was looking.
That’s a really solid unit and I don’t know how the heck I forgot to mention it in this video. I think that as far as CF Motos first four seater sport they came to the table with a great machine.
Excellent rational. If you can only afford 1 machine the CFmoto is still a contender.
100% it is. We have all been guilty of brand bias. I have for sure. At the end of the day it's like we said in the video. It doesn't matter what you ride as long as you have a machine that gets you out riding.
I have the exact same. Love it and awesome for the family. Now what about does mods ? Bigger wheels, clutch kit and d what else ?
CFMOTO you may give up a bit of the bells and whistles, not as much as in the past though. I'm on my second one now, first came the 21 UForce 800 nice machine .... nice roomy with enough power just a little rough. I wouldn't have been as comfortable after a 12 hour run like I had today. Second came along when I wanted more comfort, the sole reason to upgrade I bought the 23 950 HO EX .... not quite as roomy as the UForce was but way better ride. Just cranked over the 2000KM mark today, since November no Issues at all just a torn CVBoot ..... Loving it.
If I would have had to buy Polaris or CanAm I would have been forced to buy used, maybe someone else's problems .... who knows. I'm out riding and having fun that's the big difference. Still considering the Dacker Rally but not sure if I'll be ready .... who knows you may see me there.
Great input man. All valid points. My 2022 Z-Force 950 HO EX has been bullet proof so far too and I've been hard on it. I drive it like a rental. It's not as comfortable as my RZR Turbo, doesn't have as much power but it is honestly a ton of fun to drive. It's peppy and responsive. It sounds wicked with the GGB exhaust system. It's been reliable. It's got less than half of what I've got into my RZR Turbo invested into it and it is far from half the machine. Let haters hate, but if you look at it logically with an open mind then you can't argue that the quality and performance of the CF Moto machines has improved drastically over the last 4-6 years. Many of you will know that many times over the years I spoke negatively about the brand because back then they left a lot to be desired. I am open minded and realistic enough to admit when things change though. Some people won't like CF Moto no matter what, just like some guys will never like a Ford Truck or a Honda car. The variety keeps things interesting.
Right now I’m thinking about buying a four seater. Have three grandkids that I want to ride with. Can’t do it in my ranger. The price point is my main deciding factor.
Riding with family is always a great time. So many wonderful memories to be made. With price point being the main factor the cfmoto lineup is worth looking at.
Greetings from germany =)
After watching your Videos for many many years, i purchased my first side by side - a Cfmoto 950 Sport 2 seater. I‘ll get it next week.
They are a Little More expensive in germany, but much much cheaper than Can-Am etc..
Hope it was the right decision 😊
Thanks a lot for your content, that helped me a lot
What’s the top speed on that 4 seater? Would love to see an acceleration video up to top speed with just a driver, and one with 4 ppl in it. Also, would like to see how a stock one compares in acceleration and top speed to Blakes with 32’s, clutching, and tune. Great video and considering one of these units heavily, especially after watching this. You make all valid points! Keep up the awesome content!
Great video many valid points big take away is you can be out there having fun in a quality machine without going in debt up to your eyeballs just to impress the neighbors by the brand name . I watch both of your chanalls and didn't own a sxs till one day I went to dealer and test rode an 800 trail my wife drove it around and because they were such a deal price wise we got two of them . I will be getting ahold of MSC for parts ,clutch kits ,tunes and tires and wheels for my 950 HOEX 2024 and a tune and clutch kit for the 800 trail 2024 . Thank you for being so realistic about the CF Moto choice and why it made since to buy what you bought . God bless take care .
Glad you enjoy both my videos and Blake’s. Happy to hear you guys have been having fun on your units. The team at MSC is absolutely awesome. Blake is a great advocate for the brand and the sport in general and I’m lucky to call him my friend. I try to keep as open of a mind I can in everything life throws at me. I try to be logical which is why I said what I said. Some won’t agree but I believe many will, like yourself.
Couldn't agree more with everything you said. This is exactly why I chose CFMOTO over all the other brands.
Glad you can relate to the views. I still feel that the people who are most vocal against CF Moto are the ones who have the least experience around them.
100% . Everyone that bashes them hasn't owned one. I was hesitant before buying my 950 ho ex. 500 miles on 32s and it goes everywhere my friends go in the big boys. And it cost half as much. No it's not a pro r. But it's a very solid machine
@@outdoorbluecollarlife yup. I too was incredibly hesitant as many know. My HO EX has served me well with no issues. It’s fun to drive, sounds great and performs very well. Is it as plush of a ride, no. Is it a pretty as some of the others, no. Does the brand carry the status of some of the more designer brands, no. Can it do 90% of what the other machines can for half the cost, yes. I never tell anyone what to buy, instead I try to provide truthful unbiased information to let people conclude what’s best for their needs. Happy to hear you’ve been enjoying your machine man.
@AdrenalineJunkieProd just need to up the aftermarket for them. We also have a wildcat xx which I and the wife love. Sadly there is more support now behind cfmoto then cat.
@@outdoorbluecollarlife ya, cfmoto aftermarket on these newer machines is getting solid and growing fast.
Well said , as a lot of people tend to blow there budget getting the latest and greatest , then don’t have the money to take care of their machine or arent able to ride that often , and bottom line no matter what brand you have , you will have fun , but amongst buddies you know the deal , the rzr is better then his Krx or the cfmoto is better then the Yamaha ha ha bugging will never change lol
Ya, I think it’s important to live within your means. It’s like when people go out and spend 100k on a car and complain about fuel costs. If you can truly afford a 100k car you likely shouldn’t be concerned with fuelling it. If you want to save money on fuel for buy a nice used car for 30k and save yourself 70k. Same goes for the SXS world. Buy what you can afford and what serves your needs. When we are out riding it’s like you said, we bust chops. We egg eachother on and make fun of eachother. It’s half the fun. But when you make it up a climb and the rest don’t, no one cares what you’re driving. We give credit where credit is due. It’s about fun at the end of the day.
you have definitely opened my eyes to cfmoto great job
I'm pretty sure 3 Star Industries makes a full cab inclosure for the sport 4. if its not out yet, it will be soon. oidk how much it costs but you might want to check into that.
Ya they do make one Chad. My friend Justin who you've seen riding with us in some of the videos works for 3 Star. I'll have a full enclosure going on this thing as well as heat this winter. I'm excited about it.
I was just watching your 950EX video and am curious what "camera girl"( not going to butcher the spelling of her name) thinks of the the 4 seater? We just got ours 3 weeks ago and we love it.
Hey Geoff, Kseniia (lol) and I both like it. The ride quality stock wasn't bad but now that we have put 32's on it the ride is much more plush with the extra tire sidewall. We haven't had a ton of seat time in it yet but overall when you factor in the price point it rides well, even with 4 people in it. The factory seats could use a little more cushion in our opinion but they are far from the worst factory seats we have sat in. I feel that if we put in a set of nice suspension seats this thing would feel really nice. I'm also going to explore options for upgraded springs in the future. Overall though, so far we are happy. Congrats on your new ride too!!
Hey, (my name is Joe) I have a Teryx4 S not an expedition, c'mon give me a little credit. It does everything I want it to do, for a fraction of the price of some of the machines people buy.
PS: I met y'all at Windrock last fall, pulling with my Jeep if y'all remember. Even had a snippet in a video after talking to you guys
Hey man, I remember! I should have included the Teryx 4 in the video just like I also should have included the Talon 4. I just forgot about those two unfortunately. They are great machines and can be scooped up for a solid deal used these days.
I’m really looking into the rmax4 something that can be a trail cruiser or a little more nimble and capable on technical trails. Really like the look of the zforce sport looking forward to see what all you do to it!
The RMAX4 is a solid all around performer. It does great on the trails. I'm pretty excited about this new 4 seater. It's a totally different experience. Ican't wait to start building it up.
Good for you we always follow your content You're doing a great job just keep doing it
Thank you! Appreciate the positive feedback, I won't be stopping anytime soon. Glad you enjoy the content.
So does the American version have the blinkers for the 4 seater? I just bought a 2 seat Zforce 950 sport. I'm very happy with it, especially for the money.
Great veido makes me want to go buy one I owned a gen1 zforce 800 the onley thing is the after market forgot about this machine the bulk of stuff out like said aarims ect.... are for the UForce or the HO ex if this one had the same things to go after 🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯
Thanks. Glad you liked the video. Ya, aftermarket used to be an issue on the older models. However, now that’s changing quickly. The Z-Force 950 HO EX has large aftermarket support. The newer U-Force machines do too. The options for this 950 Sport are also growing quickly with a ton already available. Same goes for their newer ATV’s.
I enjoyed getting to be apart of this video brother!
Was happy to have you there. You are the CFMOTO Guy after all. Not many people with as much CF knowledge in their heads as you.
@@AdrenalineJunkieProd no, no hes not. youll figure it out
I just love my cfmoto. I'd get another one in a second!!
I appreciate the comparisons you did with other models. I just wanted to know if you compare the Honda Talon as well.
That's one machine I accidentally left out. I was focusing on other 4 seater models for this video and the 4 seater Honda Talon isn't available in Canada as far as I know. I should have included it though, just forgot.
I'm just starting the video and I'm agreeing with you on the family rigs have different needs. But how is the turning radius on the 4 door zforce? I am looking forward to seeing this vs other 4 seaters
The turning radius leaves a bit to be desired as you'd expect from a limo like this, however, on regular trails its fine. I don't have tons of seat time in it yet and no really tight technical trail time yet. You'll be seeing more real world trail content coming.
Ahh man bro! This makes me want to go back to Tennessee and meet up and ride!
Absolutely crazy to me that an optioned expedition costs as much as a 3/4 ton pickup or decently optioned half ton. Theyre a cool rig but just too expensive, especially since you can't really fully register/license it.
Heck, for that 80k or a little more you could have one of these CF Motos or a used rzr AND s dedicated real offroad rig used. Jeep, toyota etc.
If it was cheaper it'd make sense, but at that price it just fits in an odd spot for me.
Ya, I’m with you man. The price is out to lunch. I think new truck prices are ludicrous but this is just next level. If they were totally street level where we are then maybe just maybe I could justify it, but they aren’t. Don’t get me wrong, the Xpedition is a sweet machine but I just must not be loaded enough lol.
I've heard you refer to a 5-year warranty several times, but the CF Moto website only says a 1-year. Where is the five year coming from? Is that a Canada thing?
Yes. In Canada they all come with a standard 5 year warranty which is an awesome feature. The dealer network here has become pretty decent too. In the video I included a caption that mentioned that warranty terms and final prices vary depending on where you are located. Since we have viewers all over the world I tried to be as inclusive as possible. It’s just hard to cover everything.
@@AdrenalineJunkieProd Thanks- I agree that a five year warranty is an incredible benefit, and would be a huge factor in the final decision. Hopefully, it is something they will offer soon in the U.S.!
THUMBS UP if you think we made the WRONG CHOICE with this machine. Don't be shy... let's hear your feedback, good or bad.
I use to break my phone when I watched your video but now I are ok
What? lol??
I had my eyes on these but got agreat deal on a 23 Rmax4 1000 XT-R, these where not available for another 8 months, recently saw a 24 for 16,500 and definitely would saved 7k! Well more like 4 cuz 3k would of gone straight to midifications 😂!
Well said guys 👍👍👍
Thanks man!!
Polaris Power ! 🤩🇺🇲🤩
I have a 21 rzr turbo 2000 miles wouldn't trade it for 2 cfmotos.
A good guy now
I’ve got my moments lol 😂
How do y'all get such a good warranty ? Here in the states we only get a 1 year warranty
I have a 800 trail it is amazing
Do up a 950 ho ex and team up with MSc and run the Baja 1000
Damn… that would be freakin epic. I’m in.
i thought blakes was a can am for a min, looks good. cf moto is grt for including lots of accesories! hope other brands lose sales then follow suit.
These Z-Force 950 sports look very similar to the Can-Am competition when you look at them closely. You can see they definitely took “inspiration” from the Maverick Sport and Commander, lol.
👍🏻 Amen Brothers!
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Wow u finally understand u have changed
lol, with age comes wisdom… maybe one day I’ll get some 😂
If you buy that side-by-side in the US can you bring it back to Canada?
Short answer is no, not easily. But yes, you can import vehicles if you follow the proper procedures. It is not worth it on a new machine and not all vehicles are acceptable to import. It's not a simple answer. I explained in the captions within the video how I've got it setup. If you want specific info on how to import and what's involved the best place to look is on the Canadian and US border/customs websites. In Canada you would also check out the transportation Canada website.
Great Video!! Thank you
Thank you!! Glad you enjoyed it.
I agree, I'm blessed and lucky enough to have a Polaris Xpedition XP North Star. It's the machine that fit the needs of my family the most. We just came back from so serious riding in the Arkansas mountains and it was more than up to the task.
That's awesome! Glad to hear you guys had a fun trip. My friend Zack that runs the Dirt Dudes UTV channel has one and loves it. I still really want one too, but as I explained in the video, I just can't justify the cost at this time. It would stress my finances too much at this time. I can't wait to see where they take that platform into the future. Maybe if I am lucky and things go well I can own one in the future too.
@@AdrenalineJunkieProd my wife has M.S. and can become really sensitive to heat, so A/C was a must if we (me and our sons) wanted her to come ride with us. It is an expensive purchase, but it lets her go enjoy the outdoors which helped me justify the cost.
I'll be posting a video soon on my channel where I give my full thoughts about it.
Keep up the good work, I love your content!
@@monstermini225 That makes a ton of sense in your case. I'm happy to hear this machine can help get you guys out on the trails as a family. Stoked you enjoy the content. I'll check out your video.
I live in Arkansas, where in the mountains in Arkansas did you ride? I'm looking for places to ride.
@@jeraldhogan Hotsprings off road park
I remember you saying years ago that you pay for what you get they must have gave it to you for free
I already have 3 RZR's and a 2 seater CF Moto that has served me way better than I ever expected it would. Factoring in those machines and that I was after a family cruiser I felt this was a solid choice on a more "reasonable" budget. It's a nice looking machine that's quite refined compared to many of their previous models and I know that they will sell a lot of these units. It just made sense to get something not everyone else that is creating content is driving. Time will tell if this was a good choice or not. Like always I will be open with my opinions and I will be truthful as to how the machine holds together. It's fun playing as the underdog from time to time. If I enjoy it and it treats me well I'll hold on to it for a while. If it disappoints me and lets me down I'll cut my loses and try something different. That's that. I still believe you get what you pay for generally speaking and as I said in the video if I could only have one machine then this is not the unit I would pick. I don't know how I could be more open and honest than that.
Did you buy it? Or did they give it to you or give you a big discount to advertise it on the channel?
@@johndeerefarmer4483 I mention in the video I got a really Solid discount on this unit. Everything I say here is legit though. They offered me the discount after I told Blake I was going to buy one.
When are you moving to Tennessee??
It's all about what you can afford and what you use it for don't matter about name just my opinion
I had been a long time subscriber but this is just tough to watch. For what it’s worth, I’m not into SXS but I always loved your videos - trail riding, time with friends/family. Your videos had always been so amazing, well videoed (is that a word?) and amazingly edited. But sadly, I really don’t know what’s been happening. As mentioned, I don’t trail ride, but always lived vicariously through your videos. That said, this is NOT unbiased - so why are we pretending here? This is just a 28 minute sales pitch, all pros and not ONE single CON? Isn’t there anything you’re concerned about? Is there not features, technology or components that would have at least provided some balance to the equation. No, let’s pander to CFmoto while standing next to a CFmoto dealer while wearing a CFMoto sweatshirt and hat and call that unbiased?
It’s not even that CFMoto is a Chinese company, I couldn’t care less; for what it’s worth I do appreciate you telling us that this was discounted and I understand totally your reasoning for buying this unit. However, this just feels so.. fake. It’s all just upfront cost, got it, it’s cheaper point taken. What about total cost of ownership, availability of parts, dealer network, repairability, and last but not least manufacturer reputation. I would almost guarantee that a Honda would retain a higher resale value over this - period, should that not factor in?
Apology for the wall of text, I am very happy for you and your new machine - I’m sure it will be a wonderful unit for you and your family. I just didn’t initially tune in so many years back for what is now just a giant propaganda piece.
Hey man. I hear ya. I value your feedback and your viewership. It was an explanation of why I got this machine. It’s not really a sales pitch to be honest. I openly said if I could only have e one machine this would not be it. Since we have a few units it’s a great addition as a budget family cruiser. The ride videos aren’t going anywhere. The reality is in order to do this fulltime like I’m doing now I have to vary the content a bit. That’s the honest truth. I still have three RZR’s parked in my garage. The last cfmoto I got has served me very very well. Is resale good? No, not as good as some of the bigger brands but the aftermarket is most definitely catching up. I’m not really being biased, as I truthfully like this machine. When i got the first cfmoto I promised I’d keep an open mind and I have. Truthfully part of me wanted it to fall apart and another part of me thought it wouldn’t stand a chance. I was wrong and I’ve voiced that. Time will tell how long it will hold together. My intention isn’t to turn away long term viewers like you. If you don’t enjoy some of the non-riding content then it’s cool to ignore it. Blake is legitimately a friend of mine. Yes, he works for a cfmoto dealership but our families are friends. Wives get along, kids love eachother. I don’t just go around whoring myself out to any dealer or brand. You know that. It’s hard being in my shoes sometimes too. I’ve been blessed to be able to pursue this passion of mine fulltime but I do still need to pay the bills. If this machine falls apart I will show it. If it does well, I will show it. The team at MSC has told me to be honest and have not given me any direction content wise. They are good people which is why i support them. They have also helped me and are helping support my passion and project. I really do value all your feedback and I personally struggle myself with having to put out content that isn’t just focused on riding. That’s the cold hard truth. My goals are pure though. I still focus on providing meaningful and entertaining content. I love this industry and I’m super passionate about it. If you like discovery channel and you like a bunch of the shows you won’t stop watching it if they air one show you don’t like. All I ask of you and my other viewers is the same courtesy. There may be some content you enjoy more and some you don’t like as much. I’m trying my best here to find a healthy and tasteful balance while maintaining sponsor/partner relationships and also having fun with friends and family. This project and this channel would not be possible without my partners, that’s just the reality of it. I hope you can understand where I am coming from. With all that being said, I will take your feedback to heart and do my best to use it in a positive way to improve future content. Thanks for taking the time to leave me such detailed feedback.
30k Canadian???? That 4 seater sport in Australia is 23k. How is it that much more expensive
That's 30K out the door tax and fees included. I'd assume the big price difference would be related to our outrageous Canadian taxes. Things here have gotten quite out of hand, from gasoline, to groceries. Prices are just soaring out of control on everything.
@@AdrenalineJunkieProd must be a commonwealth thing. Same garbage is happening here also. But obviously not on buggies lol. I picked up my 23 zforce 1000 sport R for 22k drive away. Can ams and polaris prices are ridiculous though. Looking around high 40k to mid 50k
I might be one of those guys that need the extra warranty in order to afford riding!! 😅
Hahahahaha…. You don’t take advantage of warranty do you??? 😂🤣
Hey don’t blame u at all , with this economy especially, and last ur taking ur family out need to be safe
well dont forget the other reason to go cfmotto you know because there awesome. we took our 950 ho out for a 6 hour ride through the Oceola national forest here in north Florida this morning. as always awesome ride . i want to hug you guys ever time i go out. for helping with all your videos showing what there capable of. i really needed the cheaper price becoming disabled at 49 years old .thanks again guys hope to be lucky enough to shake yalls hand one day
Hey man. Super happy to hear you’ve been out packing on the miles and having a ton of fun. The best machine is the one that gets used the most. I’ve driven a 2004 vw golf tdi for like 15 years. I’ve built it quite heavily over those years but overall it’s a cheaper old car that’s rough around the edges but is sooooo damn fun to drive and so cheap to operate. People rip by me in their expensive new cars and they are sweet, I’d love to have one, however, I really do think I’m having more fun in my little go cart. I love how it stinks, I love how it pushes me back in the seat when it hits over 30 psi on the boost gauge and rolls coal like a freight train. Others prob look at it and think they would never want to drive it, well I’d never want to get rid of it. Experiences in life are so subjective. To one man $100 dollars is not much to another $1000 is not much to many $10,000 is not much but to some $10 is a lot. When the man who values $10 has fun he isn’t experiencing any less joy. I think people need to reconnect with the true values and reasons we like to ride. A true rider can appreciate and enjoy any machine. I really do hope we can cross paths on the trails in the future because I know we would have a wonderful time riding together.
@@AdrenalineJunkieProd yes sir look forward to meeting on the trail one day maybe some day when you're coming down to one of the events in miss or Tenn i will be able to come up and catch you and by the way i will be the fella pulling his rig behind a 1995 dodge Cummins truck driving right by those 90.000 new trucks on the side of the road with their hood up lol. You guys have fun be careful and keep putting out the great videos
Cant compare stock axles when 1 machine is 90hp and not enough hp to break an axle and a 4 seater on a arm rear is a poor ride. Atleaat a polaris, krx or can am has radius rod rear suspension. U get what u pay for.
It wasn't really a serious comparison axle wise. Just an example that the components aren't all that bad. Polaris RZR Sport models and Can-Am Maverick Sport models also run rear a-arms. This is a 60 inch sport model. My 2022 Z-Force 950 HO EX has trailing arm rear end with radius rods. You do get what you pay for, that's exactly what we talked about. The decision the buyer needs to make is how much do they want to spend based on their needs and expectations. I have a fully built RZR Turbo, my intentions with this machine are much more modest. I think the take away here is that if you are on a tighter budget and have realistic expectation then it's a machine worth considering. I will be testing it long term so we will see how it does. I'm not pro CF Moto or Pro Polaris or Pro Kawasaki. I really do like features of all the machines. What I like most though is being out riding and seeing how all the machines stack up against each other in real world conditions, side by side.
It's like comparing a honda to a hynduai. I'll take a honda no warranty over a hyndaui with a 10 yr warranty. Honda ya ain't gonna need it but hyndaui it will be expensive to repair and be in shop alot
Long talk for it's cheaper... has a canam interior.... has a trunk
The message in this video wasn’t so much about the specific machine. It was about just getting what you like or what you can afford and getting out there and riding with good people. No matter what machine you choose some people will like it and some will hate it. All that matters is that you are happy.
love your channel, excellent commentary, excellent videos and quality but i personally cannot support China more than i have to, I hear your arguments but not going to support China, especially with so many other great toys available,
Hey man. No argument out of me. To each his own. Happy to hear you enjoy the channel. When I make videos I simply focus on the machines and what they have to offer. I don't focus on the political end of things. I know there has been quite a bit of CFMOTO related content lately and even some Segway stuff but it's not me changing sides or anything. Just trying to shake things up to keep them interesting. At the end of the day when it comes down to it if I had to choose I'd still say I'm a Polaris guy at heart but I've been trying to keep an open mind and try some new things. As we move forward things will continue to evolve and machines will hopefully keep changing too. I'd love to bring some other machines onto the fleet but I just can't afford to purchase the flagship models from the other brands and those other brands don't seem interested in offering me any kind of a break or opportunity to showcase their products unfortunately. I work with what I've got and what I can get my hands on, that's the reality of it.
Name it Charlie foxtrot moto
Buy what you like not what somebody else likes
Yup, that’s the moral of the story.
I just can't give my money to the Chinese so easily. Yes I know Chinese parts are on my machine.
I know that makes some people uncomfortable and I agree that we should support North American and European businesses before those in Asia but like you mentioned, it’s everywhere. If prices are similar I’ll buy North American made over Chinese but in the current economy I’m more interested in keeping money in my own pockets. I know that this mindset is part of the problem overall, I’m not naive to that. I know that being complacent like this is part of what got us to this point but I also believe that the problem is so large at this point that I myself or the average Joe can’t really do much about it in the bigger picture. Our market is flooded with offshore goods. I know it may not be the best answer or view. To be honest though, I didn’t even think of that as a variable when choosing this machine. Just wanted to get something more budget friendly and have fun with my family. I’d argue that the only silver lining is that you can support American brands still driving a machine like this. MSC is a USA owned company employing many small town Americans. Many American brands make aftermarket parts and accessories for these machines like skid plates from Trail Armor or suspension components from Moorehead Engineering. GGB exhaust systems are manufactured in Canada, etc.
Not only are the majority of parts in your machine made in China, but so are most things you buy on Amazon and the household items you own. Unless you ensuring that everything you buy made in America, Canada or Europe. If you can afford something more expensive, go ahead.
However, we are both self-employed with two kids, living in a challenging economy. We still want to enjoy life, travel, and show our kids the world through riding, and this machine fit our budget.
I don’t understand why people think that creating videos on TH-cam makes us automatically millionaires. We are just ordinary people who want to get the most out of life through experiences. Why would we buy an expensive machine if we can't use it often? We've saved a lot of money, which we can invest in taking our family riding somewhere exciting.
@@kseniiajasinski yup, exactly. That’s the main reason we got it. Kseniia and I had many long discussions about which machine was right for us. Like we discussed in the video, we really did weigh out all the options before choosing this unit. The choice had nothing to do with supporting China. It was about getting maximum bang for buck. The reality is that it’s our governments that have sold us out and let us down. It’s not the average citizen that is to blame for our current state of economy. Look at the political mess we are in both in the United States and Canada. That has nothing to do with decisions I’ve made or most average citizens have made. There are so many problems in the world and unfortunately we can’t just fix them. So what we choose to do is adapt and survive. We put our family and friends first and make the decisions we need to make to accomplish that.
Nope
It's definitely not for everyone, lol.
You was actually judging machines not too long ago and now your eating your words,just be real and quit knocking stuff and turning around and eating your words,people pay attention that are watching
What was I knocking? I'm quite open. I openly knocked CF Moto a few years back, I've admitted that multiple times and I've had a CF Moto for around a year before getting this one. A few years back their machines were nothing like they are now. Opinions change. I often say I like all the machines. They all have pros and cons. We all have out favorites but I don't really feel I "knock" one brand more than any other. We bust chops on rides and obviously we all "judge" machines based on performance but I think most would agree I'm pretty open minded and try to be as unbiased as I can. Anytime you voice an opinion publicly some people won't agree.
So you put a value on your family’s life. I’d rather spend more and have a better safer machine for the family.
How does this affect my families life? It's a machine we got for light to moderate trail riding. That's like saying you shouldn't drive a 2015 mini van or SUV because a brand new mini van or Cadillac Escalade is "safer" because it's newer. So do people who drive a Kia or Hyundai put a value on their families lives too? I'm not trying to be argumentative but your comment ignores the fact that many people can't just "spend more" on something. I get it, you don't like the CF Moto, it's Chinese crap, lol. The underlying message in this video is not to go buy a CF Moto or a Polaris or a Can-Am specifically. It's to buy what suits your perceived needs and current budget.
Well said!!
Ahh man bro! This makes me want to go back to Tennessee and meet up and ride!
Wish TN wasn’t so far and also wish you guys in Mississippi weren’t so dang far. Still well worth the drive. It’s always a pleasure spending time with you, your family and the whole crew at MSC. Some people may think it’s just a sales pitch but there’s a lot more to it than that. It’s a group of friends and like minded individuals all pursing a common passion. We all have to work, some of us are just lucky enough to do something we really enjoy.