Amen! Returning back to my roots myself after being in the Protestant church for 7 years. Thank you, God, for the wake up call before it's too late. God bless all Orthodox people all over the world.
They are praying in heaven for us to be saints. I have just came out of protestanism and studying the catholic faith, saints, church history, and man I thought I was becoming insane. I'm glad that I have found someone who is pondering on these same things. Thanks for the video!
This was a really good reflection, brother. It’s incredible to see how Holy Orthodoxy opens our souls and minds to the reality of this world, our existence, of history, the current reality, and ultimately to the Triune God. Christ is Truth. IC XC NIKA ☦️☦️☦️
It's worth mentioning that according to the church father John Chrysostom, both marriage and monasticism properly lived out are equally holy and neither is more holy than the other. Both are equally ascetical when done properly. However, I can understand how monasticism can be put on a pedestal if you come from a Protestant background that denigrated it, but according to the church fathers, monasticism and marriage are equal. In fact, even before the fall, Adam and Eve were married and God ordained marriage. Therefore, marriage shouldn't be denigrated or treated as if it were something inferior to monasticism. We have Saints that were both married and Saints who remained single all their life.
I don’t mean to be rude but idk where your getting that information. Most of everything I said in this video comes from “Marriage and Virginity” written by Archpriest Josiah Trenham, and published by Saint Herman Press. He wrote his masters on studying John Chysostom. Whose teachings the entire academic work is inspired by. John Christian teaches contrary to everything you just said. The church Fathers taught that marriage was not Gods will for humans but was a necessary sacrament created by him to heal our fallen nature and that humans would have produced by some other means. There were heretics speaking out against marriage saying it was immoral and John Chrysostom taught that virginity was to pursue a better above a good, so virginity is definitely superior to married life according to church fathers. “Better above a good” is direct quote. He also said one cannot become a saint in married life. Obviously understood in context, most married saints are martyrs. I could go on.
@austinfurgason3634 I presume you're a new convert to Orthodoxy like my friend who is still in his convertitis phase after a few months. I've been Orthodox for 23 years and I can tell you that now si not the time to be making posts about theology and polemics. Also, John Chrysostom changed his mind later on about monasticism being superior to marriage and stopped treated marriage as second rate.
Priestmonk Kosmas of “Orthodox Talks” breaks this down very well in one of his talks. Yes monasticism is good, but so is marriage. Both are holy endeavors each with its own difficulties. Both lead to sainthood when lived properly. I highly recommend Orthodox Talks. If nothing else he will lead you to some pretty in depth reading of various saints and their lives and they will in turn broaden your (our) understanding of Orthodoxy.
@austinfurgason3634 There were a married couple who were saints can't remember their names now. Also Adam and Eve were married before the fall so marriage as a remedy for fallen nature makes no sense. Look up St Mary of Egypt, virginity is not a prerequisite for sainthood since fallen nature exists in all of us. Virginity definitely doesn't equal purity. Only Christ is pure and the degree to which we allow ourselves to be shaped By him and live in us determines our real purity.
Martin Luther was the cannon ball that broke open the disillusionment that the righteousness of God could be earned even partly by the holiness of man. Salvation is by grace alone
Holy Rus from Third Rome is literally killing Ukrainian brothers...for wanting Dec 25th Christmass instead of the other Roman calendar... but yeah Luther...its his fault materialism and greed and corruption...none of that prior LOL
As a young guy in a campus ministry im curious on your opinions of Act 2:42. There seems to be a very intimate community model for the church that looked nothing like the monastic culture found in orthodoxy. I deeply appreciate the orthodox views on worship, communion, and sanctification. What i disagree with you on is that the persuit of holiness is more paramount to evanelism. That just seems contrary to Christ's ministry and the model of discipleship found in 2 Timothy 2:2. Curious to hear your thoughts!
Hey thanks for the message. I mean I just read your verse. That very much sounds like my church to me. It’s weird that you would think that is contrary to orthodoxy. Makes me wonder your background. And specifically to monasticism, it says they sold everything they had and had everything in common like… official monasticism started with St Anthony the Great hearing “Go and sell everything you have and you will have treasure in heaven.” Being read in temple and went out and did that. So what Protestant group teaches sell everything you have? That’s what you do when you enter the monestary. We are not cessesationist. So in reference to apostles wonders we believe that and still have wonders and miracles. Next week the priest is doing Unction which is the anointing the sick with oil to heal, like it says the apostles did and in James as well. It says they met in temples and says they followed teachings of the apostles which would have been in person unwritten teachings which affirms Holy tradition over Sola Scriptoria and you can see that manifested in the earliest post biblical Christian writings of apostolic fathers. I mean I could go on the only thing you could really say is that we don’t break bread in homes. So the Eucharist is always taken in the temples. There would have to be persecution to push the sacraments back into the home. And with evangelism I say that is one of the most annoying things. You’ve got a lot of goobers that are against it. It comes from a good place like you don’t want to be unsanctified hypocrites shoving stuff down peoples throats. Or turning it into a business with a product to sell. So they say, change what you can, become a light that attracts people lost in the dark. Then you help them and tell them about the gospel. But some people take it to far, there is an ethnic problem. But it is going away because the new converts are putting so much pressure on. But there’s already lots of English communities. Archpriest Josiah Trenham, one of the most well known in the continent says, “we are greatful for all of are Protestant converts who are help remind us of our own traditions namely, the study of the scriptures and evangelism. So what he says is true, the lives of the saints teach us. They preached the gospel, others were hermits both saved thousands and did miracles like early church. We just say, you can’t just come in on day one and start doing miracles. These enlightened like my saint, saint Patrick went through serious transformations, were very devout and patient and walked in the spirit had unceasing prayer etc. same with our great hermits like St Seraphim. I’ll also say Christ was a virgin, John the Baptist, Mary, OT saints like Jeremiah. It is the angelic life. So we believe the incarnation happened so people could become truly healed and like God, and so monasticism is one of the to paths to become united to Christ. It is a better above a good. These people have more time to devout to Theosis, and charitable good works.
@austinfurgason3634 I definitely still have some disagreements about the lifestyle of monastic orthodoxy but your reply was enlightening. Wish you nothing but the best!
Thank you very much!!!❤ I'm so glad you're not blind! Enlighten Europe, I will pray to God that you succeed! thank God for everything! Greetings from Russia)
So we can notice in the protestant world there are the brothers of Taize and the deacon women of Reuilly... Monasticism attracts many people from everywhere...
Hello Austin, how does the Orthodox carry out the great commission? I know you had a checkered past, if you were deep in your sins, do you think visiting an Orthodox Church you would have changed your whole persona and follow Jesus?
Thanks for the comment, the orthodox church is horrible at evangelism, if that’s what you mean which is tied to their ethnic nationalism. So it is a combined issue. But that is really there only issue which is currently being resolved by all the zealous converts. Historically of course orthodoxy brought the faith to the world how many Christian’s were on earth before the reformation? Right so they did fufill the great commission. But they have lost there way idk what happened. But our great church fathers admit this and thank there new evangelical converts for helping the Orthodox Church re-discover there own tradition. If the Orthodox Church was operating as it should, or if I had a similar life experience in a country were orthodoxy was mainstream I definitely believe I would’ve gotten off drugs and alcohol. All the Protestants have done is rip my heart out after making friends and leaving over and over because they compromise to culture or innovate heresies. This problem could be easily fixed in my opinion with one generation of local converts. So while I’m honest about it, I’d still say in contrast to what the reformation has produced. It’s not something I’m going to let prevent me from coming into the true church.
Thanks Austin, I like your content because we have similar backgrounds. I’m just Orthodox curious at this point. I’m just trying to reconcile some issues in my mind. I think the Protestant church, with its many flaws, can still bring people into a relationship with Christ, which is desperately needed in our culture right now. The point of my comment was that you wouldn’t have even discovered the Orthodox church without your Protestant experience.
@@austinfurgason3634 Not just ethnic Nationalism. But persecution as well, some falsely perceived others real. Our forebears in this country were surviving, not thriving until the middle of the 20th Century. Many children were lost to the Romans and Protestants just because of refusal to heed the Saints in America. Also the Bishops neglected their commission to convert the nations outside of a few Dioceses. Now we have both Mission Minded Converts and 1st Gen Cradles and Mission Minded Bishops. Bishop Theodosy of Seattle wants to open a Mission in my hometown, it will be named for St. Patrick, but the Mission tide is shifting even in this godless state of Washington.
I didn’t say people become angels, “become one with the angels” as in not having sexual intercourse because angels do not raise families and have sexual intercourse. But Monks and Nuns they are devoted to the service of God, like angels. How did you not understand this? You think I’m saying humans stop being humans? What lol?
@@austinfurgason3634 "Become the one with angels..." that's just at as bad and still misleading - it's certainly not a suggestion I've heard in my 40+ years of being a Christian and still doesn't make much sense - we are still two discrete species who never 'become one'.
@@caroldonaldson5936 well ya I know you never heard of it that’s the point of the video. I’m explaining monasticism too people who don’t know it existed and why thousands of Christians throughout history did it. Do you need me to explain it more? Or do you just not want to understand? Because my last message was pretty clear. Christians use words “become one” to talk about dwelling of Holy Spirit or getting married, etc it’s common language. “One” because angels don’t have family’s or make babies and are dedicated to the salvation of the world like Paul who didn’t get married became “one with the angels”. There is no sex a making babies in heaven. Monasticism, to those who practice it, is to persue a better above a good because it is the highest form of virtue. It was monks who spread Christianity throughout the world like St Patrick or any other who baptized kings and thousands of people. To be a virgin is to live the future life now in the persuit of your own salvation and others and unity with God as the highest priority. And by doing this you become divine, one with angels, like Christ who didn’t have sex etc. It is a pathway to the salvation of the soul and the world. It was the greatest virtue and has been destroyed by Protestants that’s the point of the video. Now Protestants from what I can tell don’t have sexual standards at. Again that’s all in the video.
@@austinfurgason3634 Gosh, you don't cope well when someone questions you!🤔I was listening to your videos because I'm questioning & searching for answers and no, I still don't believe we should aspire to become like angels as angels do not practice celibacy as they were never sexual or emotional beings to begin with - they were not elevated to a higher plane because of abstinence & holy living - they were created by God - though not in His image, as man is - for a specific purpose and I think the analogy is like comparing apples to oranges. I wanted clarity on whether Orthodox really believed what you said - I imagine (hope) the answer is 'no'.
@@caroldonaldson5936 well we do. This is basic orthodoxy monastic doctrine. And it makes sense, it aligns with our entire doctrine of how God saves us, the fall of Adam, the afterlife, teachings of saints. Etc Famous Orthodox quote is “God became man, so man might become god.” So how are you going to deal with that if you can’t understand virginity is a virtue that makes you like an angel. Do you understand imitating Christ makes you like a God? And one with God. Sorry if I’m coming across as mean lol you dropped the dumb comment and your still being dumb and like your forefathers saying dumb things about the most beautiful part of the true faith because your religious and can’t understand spiritual language I geuss idk but you’ve been Christian 40 years?
Yeah you’re forgetting virginity was compulsory by the RCC and thus the priest (and the monks training to be them) had to be. Your own church doesn’t follow this rule
Ya but mandatory celibacy wasn’t mandatory in the west until after the schism. St Patrick my patron saint had a grandpa that was a priest. Well how could that have happened? His grandpa would’ve been married and had children. So just saying but definitely respect anyone who takes vows of virginity in service to God.
It's important to note that Henry VIII didn't dissolve the monasteries for any theological reason, but rather because he needed the money for his navy. It's also important to understand the context of monasticism in the west at that period, where there was a lot of corruption. People would send their infants and children into monasteries, basically forcing them to be monastics whether they wanted to or not, and monastic vows weren't always delayed until adulthood in this period. Luther was especially sympathetic to this, hence if those children weren't called to a consecrated life or didn't want to be monastics, they were essentially forced to do so. This may also coincide with the abundant sinfulness that was present in the monasteries at that time. It was well known that sodomy was abounding in various monasteries during that period. Due to the circumstances I can see why the reformers weren't keen on the monastic institutions, even though they weren't always necessarily against the idea of monasticism in and of itself, considering many saints who were monastics were still honoured. Personally I think it was a great loss that monasticism was discouraged or removed during the reformation, similar to relics, although relics weren't actually the problem for the reformers, rather it was worship and superstition that surrounded the relics. So I understand why the reformers did what they did, although I do think they went too far.
I appreciate the honest comment, I’d still stand by what I said in the video. If there is corruption in monestaries then reform means to go back, not destroy them and get rid of them. Or if people did worship relics (which I don’t really believe honestly, Protestants call everything an idol, one of my many Protestant pastor told me I had to throw out my kids Forky Toy because it was an idol lol) Reforming would then be to stop worshiping the relic, not to desecrate the bones of Christian’s and holy ancient objects. So they didn’t reform, they made themselves Popes and authority to judge and re-define a new Christianity that had never existed. The “reformation” was not Gods will. An actual reformation of the Roman Catholic Church that would bring Christiandom back into unity would’ve been great. But that’s not what happened. Christianity in the west is more divided and watered down then ever. “Great Enlightenment” and democracy, libertarianism and secularism and other western ideas that came from reformers have within a few hundred years completely undone everything our forefathers built.
@acekoala457 I wouldn't go that far, I don't believe any church today is the true church of the Apostles. I do believe Sola Scriptura is biblical and makes sense that Scripture alone is infallible source of truth we have but it's not perfect and neither is the Orthodox view authority. Many doctrines and practices aren't Scripture nor taught by the early fathers such as veneration of icons or Mariology.
@@reformedcatholic457nope. The Bible itself refutes sola scriptura. There are several passages that touch on carrying on the traditions, given orally. Also, history clearly refutes sola scriptura, as the cannon was not decided till many many years after Christianity was legalized meaning that for 400+ years there could not have been sola scriptura since the Church did not have what you call the Bible. Because the Orthodox church gave you that Bible. Your stance is indefensible, give it up.
Amen! Returning back to my roots myself after being in the Protestant church for 7 years. Thank you, God, for the wake up call before it's too late. God bless all Orthodox people all over the world.
I’m Catholic but I love my OrthoBros!
They are praying in heaven for us to be saints. I have just came out of protestanism and studying the catholic faith, saints, church history, and man I thought I was becoming insane. I'm glad that I have found someone who is pondering on these same things. Thanks for the video!
Eastern Orthodoxy ☦️not catholic
@@FaithfulComforter are you telling him what he is studying???
This was a really good reflection, brother. It’s incredible to see how Holy Orthodoxy opens our souls and minds to the reality of this world, our existence, of history, the current reality, and ultimately to the Triune God. Christ is Truth.
IC XC NIKA ☦️☦️☦️
Orthodoxy the true Christian faith ☦️
This was so good, cant wait for part 2!
It's worth mentioning that according to the church father John Chrysostom, both marriage and monasticism properly lived out are equally holy and neither is more holy than the other. Both are equally ascetical when done properly. However, I can understand how monasticism can be put on a pedestal if you come from a Protestant background that denigrated it, but according to the church fathers, monasticism and marriage are equal. In fact, even before the fall, Adam and Eve were married and God ordained marriage. Therefore, marriage shouldn't be denigrated or treated as if it were something inferior to monasticism. We have Saints that were both married and Saints who remained single all their life.
I don’t mean to be rude but idk where your getting that information. Most of everything I said in this video comes from “Marriage and Virginity” written by Archpriest Josiah Trenham, and published by Saint Herman Press. He wrote his masters on studying John Chysostom. Whose teachings the entire academic work is inspired by. John Christian teaches contrary to everything you just said. The church Fathers taught that marriage was not Gods will for humans but was a necessary sacrament created by him to heal our fallen nature and that humans would have produced by some other means. There were heretics speaking out against marriage saying it was immoral and John Chrysostom taught that virginity was to pursue a better above a good, so virginity is definitely superior to married life according to church fathers. “Better above a good” is direct quote. He also said one cannot become a saint in married life. Obviously understood in context, most married saints are martyrs. I could go on.
@austinfurgason3634 I presume you're a new convert to Orthodoxy like my friend who is still in his convertitis phase after a few months. I've been Orthodox for 23 years and I can tell you that now si not the time to be making posts about theology and polemics. Also, John Chrysostom changed his mind later on about monasticism being superior to marriage and stopped treated marriage as second rate.
Priestmonk Kosmas of “Orthodox Talks” breaks this down very well in one of his talks. Yes monasticism is good, but so is marriage. Both are holy endeavors each with its own difficulties. Both lead to sainthood when lived properly.
I highly recommend Orthodox Talks. If nothing else he will lead you to some pretty in depth reading of various saints and their lives and they will in turn broaden your (our) understanding of Orthodoxy.
@austinfurgason3634
There were a married couple who were saints can't remember their names now. Also Adam and Eve were married before the fall so marriage as a remedy for fallen nature makes no sense. Look up St Mary of Egypt, virginity is not a prerequisite for sainthood since fallen nature exists in all of us. Virginity definitely doesn't equal purity. Only Christ is pure and the degree to which we allow ourselves to be shaped By him and live in us determines our real purity.
Martin Luther was the cannon ball that broke open the disillusionment that the righteousness of God could be earned even partly by the holiness of man. Salvation is by grace alone
Is baptism necessary?
And yet Catholics never believed this...Next
PEACE and LOVE OF JESUS be with you my brother., Thank you for your words.
Holy Rus from Third Rome is literally killing Ukrainian brothers...for wanting Dec 25th Christmass instead of the other Roman calendar...
but yeah Luther...its his fault materialism and greed and corruption...none of that prior LOL
As a young guy in a campus ministry im curious on your opinions of Act 2:42. There seems to be a very intimate community model for the church that looked nothing like the monastic culture found in orthodoxy.
I deeply appreciate the orthodox views on worship, communion, and sanctification. What i disagree with you on is that the persuit of holiness is more paramount to evanelism. That just seems contrary to Christ's ministry and the model of discipleship found in 2 Timothy 2:2.
Curious to hear your thoughts!
Hey thanks for the message. I mean I just read your verse. That very much sounds like my church to me. It’s weird that you would think that is contrary to orthodoxy. Makes me wonder your background. And specifically to monasticism, it says they sold everything they had and had everything in common like… official monasticism started with St Anthony the Great hearing “Go and sell everything you have and you will have treasure in heaven.” Being read in temple and went out and did that. So what Protestant group teaches sell everything you have? That’s what you do when you enter the monestary. We are not cessesationist. So in reference to apostles wonders we believe that and still have wonders and miracles. Next week the priest is doing Unction which is the anointing the sick with oil to heal, like it says the apostles did and in James as well. It says they met in temples and says they followed teachings of the apostles which would have been in person unwritten teachings which affirms Holy tradition over Sola Scriptoria and you can see that manifested in the earliest post biblical Christian writings of apostolic fathers.
I mean I could go on the only thing you could really say is that we don’t break bread in homes. So the Eucharist is always taken in the temples. There would have to be persecution to push the sacraments back into the home.
And with evangelism I say that is one of the most annoying things. You’ve got a lot of goobers that are against it. It comes from a good place like you don’t want to be unsanctified hypocrites shoving stuff down peoples throats. Or turning it into a business with a product to sell. So they say, change what you can, become a light that attracts people lost in the dark. Then you help them and tell them about the gospel. But some people take it to far, there is an ethnic problem. But it is going away because the new converts are putting so much pressure on. But there’s already lots of English communities. Archpriest Josiah Trenham, one of the most well known in the continent says, “we are greatful for all of are Protestant converts who are help remind us of our own traditions namely, the study of the scriptures and evangelism. So what he says is true, the lives of the saints teach us. They preached the gospel, others were hermits both saved thousands and did miracles like early church. We just say, you can’t just come in on day one and start doing miracles. These enlightened like my saint, saint Patrick went through serious transformations, were very devout and patient and walked in the spirit had unceasing prayer etc. same with our great hermits like St Seraphim.
I’ll also say Christ was a virgin, John the Baptist, Mary, OT saints like Jeremiah. It is the angelic life. So we believe the incarnation happened so people could become truly healed and like God, and so monasticism is one of the to paths to become united to Christ. It is a better above a good. These people have more time to devout to Theosis, and charitable good works.
@austinfurgason3634 I definitely still have some disagreements about the lifestyle of monastic orthodoxy but your reply was enlightening. Wish you nothing but the best!
Thank you very much!!!❤ I'm so glad you're not blind! Enlighten Europe, I will pray to God that you succeed! thank God for everything!
Greetings from Russia)
17:37 Yes, i as well took out my head punches to check if the plane was from the video or from my surroundings
Based. Luther was a mouth breathing nerd
What a dumb comment.
So we can notice in the protestant world there are the brothers of Taize and the deacon women of Reuilly... Monasticism attracts many people from everywhere...
My gosh, the brainwashed Orthodox regarding history is near unforgivable
Fantastic video🎉
Amen!
Hello Austin, how does the Orthodox carry out the great commission? I know you had a checkered past, if you were deep in your sins, do you think visiting an Orthodox Church you would have changed your whole persona and follow Jesus?
Thanks for the comment, the orthodox church is horrible at evangelism, if that’s what you mean which is tied to their ethnic nationalism. So it is a combined issue. But that is really there only issue which is currently being resolved by all the zealous converts. Historically of course orthodoxy brought the faith to the world how many Christian’s were on earth before the reformation? Right so they did fufill the great commission. But they have lost there way idk what happened. But our great church fathers admit this and thank there new evangelical converts for helping the Orthodox Church re-discover there own tradition. If the Orthodox Church was operating as it should, or if I had a similar life experience in a country were orthodoxy was mainstream I definitely believe I would’ve gotten off drugs and alcohol. All the Protestants have done is rip my heart out after making friends and leaving over and over because they compromise to culture or innovate heresies. This problem could be easily fixed in my opinion with one generation of local converts. So while I’m honest about it, I’d still say in contrast to what the reformation has produced. It’s not something I’m going to let prevent me from coming into the true church.
Thanks Austin, I like your content because we have similar backgrounds. I’m just Orthodox curious at this point. I’m just trying to reconcile some issues in my mind. I think the Protestant church, with its many flaws, can still bring people into a relationship with Christ, which is desperately needed in our culture right now. The point of my comment was that you wouldn’t have even discovered the Orthodox church without your Protestant experience.
no need for that
@@austinfurgason3634why do you side with the Muslim against the Christians?
@@austinfurgason3634
Not just ethnic Nationalism. But persecution as well, some falsely perceived others real. Our forebears in this country were surviving, not thriving until the middle of the 20th Century. Many children were lost to the Romans and Protestants just because of refusal to heed the Saints in America.
Also the Bishops neglected their commission to convert the nations outside of a few Dioceses.
Now we have both Mission Minded Converts and 1st Gen Cradles and Mission Minded Bishops. Bishop Theodosy of Seattle wants to open a Mission in my hometown, it will be named for St. Patrick, but the Mission tide is shifting even in this godless state of Washington.
But humans never become angels - angels were created by God to serve Him and fulfil His purposes on earth - we become saints - two discrete species!
I didn’t say people become angels, “become one with the angels” as in not having sexual intercourse because angels do not raise families and have sexual intercourse. But Monks and Nuns they are devoted to the service of God, like angels. How did you not understand this? You think I’m saying humans stop being humans? What lol?
@@austinfurgason3634 "Become the one with angels..." that's just at as bad and still misleading - it's certainly not a suggestion I've heard in my 40+ years of being a Christian and still doesn't make much sense - we are still two discrete species who never 'become one'.
@@caroldonaldson5936 well ya I know you never heard of it that’s the point of the video. I’m explaining monasticism too people who don’t know it existed and why thousands of Christians throughout history did it. Do you need me to explain it more? Or do you just not want to understand? Because my last message was pretty clear. Christians use words “become one” to talk about dwelling of Holy Spirit or getting married, etc it’s common language. “One” because angels don’t have family’s or make babies and are dedicated to the salvation of the world like Paul who didn’t get married became “one with the angels”. There is no sex a making babies in heaven. Monasticism, to those who practice it, is to persue a better above a good because it is the highest form of virtue. It was monks who spread Christianity throughout the world like St Patrick or any other who baptized kings and thousands of people. To be a virgin is to live the future life now in the persuit of your own salvation and others and unity with God as the highest priority. And by doing this you become divine, one with angels, like Christ who didn’t have sex etc. It is a pathway to the salvation of the soul and the world. It was the greatest virtue and has been destroyed by Protestants that’s the point of the video. Now Protestants from what I can tell don’t have sexual standards at. Again that’s all in the video.
@@austinfurgason3634 Gosh, you don't cope well when someone questions you!🤔I was listening to your videos because I'm questioning & searching for answers and no, I still don't believe we should aspire to become like angels as angels do not practice celibacy as they were never sexual or emotional beings to begin with - they were not elevated to a higher plane because of abstinence & holy living - they were created by God - though not in His image, as man is - for a specific purpose and I think the analogy is like comparing apples to oranges. I wanted clarity on whether Orthodox really believed what you said - I imagine (hope) the answer is 'no'.
@@caroldonaldson5936 well we do. This is basic orthodoxy monastic doctrine. And it makes sense, it aligns with our entire doctrine of how God saves us, the fall of Adam, the afterlife, teachings of saints. Etc Famous Orthodox quote is “God became man, so man might become god.” So how are you going to deal with that if you can’t understand virginity is a virtue that makes you like an angel. Do you understand imitating Christ makes you like a God? And one with God. Sorry if I’m coming across as mean lol you dropped the dumb comment and your still being dumb and like your forefathers saying dumb things about the most beautiful part of the true faith because your religious and can’t understand spiritual language I geuss idk but you’ve been Christian 40 years?
Yeah you’re forgetting virginity was compulsory by the RCC and thus the priest (and the monks training to be them) had to be. Your own church doesn’t follow this rule
Ya but mandatory celibacy wasn’t mandatory in the west until after the schism. St Patrick my patron saint had a grandpa that was a priest. Well how could that have happened? His grandpa would’ve been married and had children.
So just saying but definitely respect anyone who takes vows of virginity in service to God.
amen
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It's important to note that Henry VIII didn't dissolve the monasteries for any theological reason, but rather because he needed the money for his navy. It's also important to understand the context of monasticism in the west at that period, where there was a lot of corruption. People would send their infants and children into monasteries, basically forcing them to be monastics whether they wanted to or not, and monastic vows weren't always delayed until adulthood in this period. Luther was especially sympathetic to this, hence if those children weren't called to a consecrated life or didn't want to be monastics, they were essentially forced to do so. This may also coincide with the abundant sinfulness that was present in the monasteries at that time. It was well known that sodomy was abounding in various monasteries during that period. Due to the circumstances I can see why the reformers weren't keen on the monastic institutions, even though they weren't always necessarily against the idea of monasticism in and of itself, considering many saints who were monastics were still honoured. Personally I think it was a great loss that monasticism was discouraged or removed during the reformation, similar to relics, although relics weren't actually the problem for the reformers, rather it was worship and superstition that surrounded the relics. So I understand why the reformers did what they did, although I do think they went too far.
I appreciate the honest comment, I’d still stand by what I said in the video. If there is corruption in monestaries then reform means to go back, not destroy them and get rid of them. Or if people did worship relics (which I don’t really believe honestly, Protestants call everything an idol, one of my many Protestant pastor told me I had to throw out my kids Forky Toy because it was an idol lol) Reforming would then be to stop worshiping the relic, not to desecrate the bones of Christian’s and holy ancient objects. So they didn’t reform, they made themselves Popes and authority to judge and re-define a new Christianity that had never existed. The “reformation” was not Gods will. An actual reformation of the Roman Catholic Church that would bring Christiandom back into unity would’ve been great. But that’s not what happened. Christianity in the west is more divided and watered down then ever. “Great Enlightenment” and democracy, libertarianism and secularism and other western ideas that came from reformers have within a few hundred years completely undone everything our forefathers built.
Before you honor what some guy said in the 3rd century, ask if what he said is Biblical. I still subscribe to the 5 solas.
Some guy? Is that how you talk about the apostolic fathers and martyrs?
Sola Scriptura is a self refuting doctrine.
The Early Church Preached, Lived and Died Orthodoxy. Not some crypto-Prot sect.
The Apostolic and early fathers are not enemies to the Reformation but support it.
@acekoala457 I wouldn't go that far, I don't believe any church today is the true church of the Apostles.
I do believe Sola Scriptura is biblical and makes sense that Scripture alone is infallible source of truth we have but it's not perfect and neither is the Orthodox view authority.
Many doctrines and practices aren't Scripture nor taught by the early fathers such as veneration of icons or Mariology.
@@reformedcatholic457nope. The Bible itself refutes sola scriptura. There are several passages that touch on carrying on the traditions, given orally. Also, history clearly refutes sola scriptura, as the cannon was not decided till many many years after Christianity was legalized meaning that for 400+ years there could not have been sola scriptura since the Church did not have what you call the Bible. Because the Orthodox church gave you that Bible. Your stance is indefensible, give it up.