You nailed the reason George RR Martin risked everything to write that post. I think Ryan Condal & Sara Hess are very impressive, they fell faster than Dan & Dave, everything going off rail after season 1. When people say bring back D&D they don't seem as crazy even though they still are.
I think that Sunfyre is THE toxic butterfly. It completely changes the ending of the dance and Rhaenyra's death (which is one of the most iconic and anticipated moments of the series being adapted). However, I do think that this was the direction they wanted to take the show. It isn't about Aegon/Rhaenyra, its about Alicent/Rhaenyra, they are making Rhaenicent canon, they have bent over backwards to absolve female characters of violence and have the end goal be escaping patriarchal westeros to live in the east. I could easily see them changing Rhaenyra's "death" to be another secret escape to essos and Aegon "makes up" her being eaten by sunfyre, or another dragon, or that just starts as a rumor.
Nah… it’s Nettles… And there being Morning and Sheepstealer imo… i don’t mean to say i know for sure the toxic butterfly… To your point though you may as well make Aegon the Conqueror a female if you’re gonna change stuff like major character’s deaths that much. An anticipated death at that. Lol… gonna get crowded with Laenor, Rhaenyra, Damon, Rhaena, little Viserys all hiding in Essos…
I swear, I will freak out if they undo Rhae's death in the series but I have this sickening feeling that you could be right. Part of what I liked about the book charcters was their vitriol, and it's very upsetting that they're white washing Rhae & Alicent. I love evil stepmom Alicent, but I think they could do longing lesbian Alicent just as well if they didn't white wash.
At first I thought they wanted us to think it was dead so when we see Sunfyre again it’s a nice surprise. But now I’m not so sure. Considering all the other pointless changes that have been made so some writers can feel ownership of the project instead of just telling the story how it’s meant to be told.
Giving all this screen time to Rheana sulking, or abandoning the kids she is suppose to be protecting, or wandering around in the hills, when they could have used that time to set up and show Nettles. I really hope s3 starts with SheepStealer eating Rheana and Nettles walking out of a cave and hoping in its back to go to the riverlands and eventually meet Daemon.
All the major changes they have made so far have been unforced errors, like you said. Laenor not dying never mattered or paid off, so ultimately saving him was contrived and pointless. Not including Aegon's youngest kid changed blood and cheese and future events for little reason. Removing Nettles is removing a fan favorite for literally no reason, just pissing off your core audience. I like when they add details and motivations beyond what was in the text, the writers often do a good job at this. However whenever they change major plot points or remove characters it never ends well.
I mean they literally made Joffrey spoil rhaenyra's fate in game of thrones (while it was still good) so if they want any continuity at all they kinda have to at least make that fit right.. that would be beyond stupid to change something so significant that your other show already confirmed/backed up.
Technically all Joffrey said “Rhaenyra Targaryen was murdered by her brother-or rather, his dragon. It ate her while her son watched.” This leaves open multiple possibilities, since neither the brother nor dragon in question get named. Aegon could claim a new dragon and kill Rhaenyra with that one. Or they could have Aemond or Daeron be the one who kills Rhaenyra
@@warpedwhimsicaltechnically, Maegor just got a little sleepy on the iron throne. He just got sleepy and everyone thought he died but really he got up and moved to Essos later. This is horrible writing.
@@JaMeshuggah I never said it was good, I said they could have any of those things happen and it doesn’t contradict anything else in the got tv universe
No one ever claimed a second dragon. I think See Barristain tells Dany that a dragon will live several lifetimes and may take several riders, but no rider ever claimed a second dragon.
Victors write the history books and we haven't even seen the two people who supposedly wrote down the Dance's history I'm guessing that it turns out Rhaenyra and Alicent ride off into the sunset to be together and fake their own deaths
I really want HOTD to be a success, and on the whole I've been enjoying it up till now, but they really are a couple of bad decisions away from losing the audience. Remember just how deep a hole GOT was in after season 8? How sceptical everyone was when HBO announced a new show? The fact that HOTD made GOT a viable prospect again is a pretty big deal, and if season 3 is bad the brand will probably be all but irredeemable.
I thought it was really weak that they ended the season on Rhaena encountered Sheepstealer, but not claiming it. It’s obvious they’re playing with that new story thread but it’s almost like they wanted to wait for the season to release and see what opinions were before they either committed or backtracked on that plan.
There is one way I can see Sunfyre being dead working, though granted at this point it may be giving the show too much credit because clearly they dont actually care about a change working in the long-run. But if Aegon bonds with Grey Ghost on Dragonstone, instead of Sunfyre killing Grey Ghost, it would overall be a pretty low-impact change while setting up the possibility of a dragon rider bonding with a second dragon after their first dragon dies. That would do two things for the show: 1st, it would definitively show that Viserys _chose_ not to take a second dragon _because he didnt want to_ , which would be thematically important; 2nd, it would set up the possibility for them to kill off Sheepstealer and have Nettles-Rhaena later have Morning. Again I dont really have any faith that the show would actually care about these things, after George's blog post. But like if they really trap themselves in those particular corners I think it does offer a way out
I agree with you that this isn’t necessarily good changes but it would at least work - would also explain somewhat towards sea smoke choosing a second rider it works the other way round
Yeah that kind of does track logically... I mean, even if it was only like 1% of people stupid/crazy/ambitious enough, if a bunch of folks heard there was an injured but still living dragon that can't fly, I could imagine them overwhelming the area and trying to kill or steal Sunfyre, or at least making trouble for those guarding the dragon. It's also a way to fool the enemy into not knowing the true strength of the opposing force.
@@halocat4077 Funny you should say that because it literally happens and 60 men die trying to kill Sunfyre who then flees and doesn’t show up in the story again until near the end
I really hope this isn't what George was referring to. The show already isn't that good with the changes made imo but truly having Sunfyre dead and not giving him his arc would kill the show entirely for me
I have a cat named Schrodinger and a dog named Pavlov. But hey! I simply can't get past HOW awesome {sad too} they made Sunfyre look after he falls...look at that melted candle waxy gold effect...damn. On point. I am also wondering if Sunfyre is gona come back Robert Strong style..Undead. Living Dead? It nags at my brainpan that Dany thinks to herself that she should not have let her dragons taste human flesh. It changes them. I THINK this is why Wargs are never supposed to eat the flesh of men when warged...not just cuz it is like way gross and creepy-but because it changes them as people and it changes their familiars/wargies. In text-I have never been convinced that Sunfyre flew to Dragonstone. What we are told...ok-take our real world for example and Anne Boleyn. Her daughter Elizabeth is Queen and yet 'ignores' the issue of what happened to HER Mother. Her dad killed her mom-and she did not openly berate or dis her dad over that shit. Why did she do that? Well, for the same reasons Aegon the 3rd does it in this fantasy story. Family shit is Complicated and RARELY entered into actual history books. Diaries get burned upon death kind of shit. Elizabeth did love her mom..and her mom literally died so that Elizabeth could keep her name and place. So. I think Sunfyre might be dead BUT as we all know...dead doesn't mean Dead is ASOIAF. Think Princess Bride dead...Have Fun Storming The Castle! comes to mind. Chocolate covered life-restoring nuts...like a Nettle description. And here is something Fun! Moondancer's name? Taking out Sunfyre...The Moon eclipses the Sun. The Moon finally did it!!! She brought down the Sun! Heheh..GRRM's has word play skillz. He is a total word-smith.
@@ЕвгенияД-ф9д Yeah they departed on some accounts and watered down some stuff, but not following how basically all ends would be a bit too much I think. Plus as some other have already mentioned...they have to tie things to how Joeffrey described the ending in GoT.
When the episode aired I assumed they were just keeping it vague to trick the general audience into assuming Sunfyre was dead, to leave the option open for a book accurate return which would be a twist for casual fans (honestly decent idea). But given the way the rest of the Season went, and GRRM firing shots at the showrunners basically saying they have no idea what they're doing, 80% chance Sunfyre is dead for real.
Nah, no shot. Not a chance. They haven’t deviated so far from the book that they can change the outcome of THE BIGGEST propaganda tool for one of the factions.
Is it me or did they not make Sunfyre as beautiful as he is supposed to be? Also I cant help but feel like Syrax was made to look more appealing while also having more screen time as part of the huge Rheanyra bias. Syrax is supposed to be yellow but looks gold with dark red accents while Sunfyre looks dull, like a faux gold and his pink accents are almost non existent. When i look at him I ended up thinking why does Syrax look better?
Excellent video title!! With the HotD writers, you never know, even when you know… you never know. I guess we'll just have to wait until they open the box
one thing I did notice this season, was a very clear shot of vermithor burning and eating one of the dragonseeds. so they shouldn't be shy of showing that onscreen. this is kind of stannis all over again, it's ambiguous enough that either is plausible
Just finished the book. It confuses me why they made Hugh heroic and loyal. I can accept the loss of Nettles, but why flip the personalities of characters that do exist?
**Spoiler alert** It's still not an excuse to cut Sunfyre completely in my opinion He is the most important dragon in the whole conflict if budget was a concern to them then they could skip his battles with Grey Ghost and Moondancer and only show the outcome of those battles while only showing the ending of him eating Rhaenyra
Hey boss. I had a dream after watching a bunch of your videos and I think it might actually have some interesting connections in it. Basically the idea my sleepy brain had is that the Children live underground in subterranean caves, rivers, and weirwood root systems- and part of the reason weirwoods are corrupted, upset, and in pain is that their 'worshippers' have come to them with stories (songs) of conflict, war, and death, and it makes the weirwoods sad and angry. The Children continue to do this because they live in a state of exile and oppression in their own continent and have been using the weirwood system as a weapon against mankind instead of the peaceful ceremonial role they were meant to play. And the way it'll eventually be reconciled and the weirwood system cleansed and healed, is that children and men will have to come together somehow and sing songs to the trees that make the trees happy again. It sounds extremely hippy dippy, but songs are such an important aspect of this universe that the entire series is named after them, and several characters entire stories, i.e. Littlefinger (Bael-ish) Mance, and Sansa are based on retellings of classic songs. Children of the forest in human disguise like the Ghost of High Heart like to have songs sung to them. Once the old ways are abolished, the rituals of blood sacrifice stopped, the Others returned to the trees, and the trees pacified and comforted with song, nature and society can start to heal.
The phrase "long in the dying" appears early on in the first book, A Game of Thrones. It's said in reference to Bran while he lies in a coma. So, if the show writer intentionally borrowed this phrase from the book, you can expect that they are simply setting up what actually happens in Fire and Blood.
The only way I see they have to get this back on track if Sunfyre is dead is to completely break with dragon rider lore (not that they haven't already if Laenor is alive) and have Aegon claim Grey Ghost as his second dragon.
idk man. i think that they have made (someone) too sympathetic atp to end the series with F&B’s ending. like it’s kind of a wild bit of writing as it is and I love GRRM 😂 but I just don’t see how they’re going to arrive at that point since they’re essentially the main protagonist. also there’s been zero interaction on the show between the two main characters at the end of F&B which also is making it hard to understand the actual hatred it would take to do something like that since it wasn’t just random and unprovoked in the source material that sunfyre ended up doing what he did? im trying to be vague I’m sorry 😭
Long and short of it, in Game of Thrones Joffery said Rhaenyra was killed by her brother's dragon - I know this could be Vhagar but i do believe it'll be Sunfyre
We haven't seen Mushroom at all, have we? Eustace appears (I had to look it up, I'm awful with names) but I feel like the writers are going for a "the history we know is actually a lie" ending with Rhaenyra and Alicent getting a bittersweet ending together after faking their deaths. It's already ridiculous that these two have snuck into each others kingdoms to have these secret meetings. "History is written by those who win" is a common adage with a lot of truth to it, but for CERTAIN REASONS I'm surprised anyone in Hollywood would ever use it in a major production 🤫 Westeros doesn't have internet or google, all they have are written records and stories passed down by word of mouth Much easier for untruths to get passed off as fact there
The toxic butterflies are a red herring. HotD will differ from the book when Melania, blade of Miquella blooms for a third time in westeros for some reason
Suppose could argue he so riddled with pain and is he not all in with the poppy too? So if we give leeway maybe the dragon link broken due to that so thinks it dead
I didn't want to get on the Anti-Hess bandwagon...but I've seen some pretty great evidence that she is...a lot of what people say she is. I think the thing that makes me the most annoyed is that she gives the trolls fuel. She lives up to the ridiculous caricature they claim her to be. It took both Dave and Dan and many seasons to get what she can do in two.
I feel that Aegons declaration of Sunfyre being dead is very in character for him. While Sunfyre may still be alive and maybe even recovering (as Aegon is), the dragon is now useless to him. Aegon will not be able to fly into battle with Sunfyre so what use is he. May as well be dead .. Y’know? Ofc we know Aegon will make use of Sunfyre eventually but at this moment he’s still stuck (as you mentioned) in this ‘poor me - no cock and no dragon’ mode.
I mean no matter what. GoT already discussed Sunfyre through Joffrey explaining that sunfyre had eaten Rhaenyra. SHowrunner sof HoTD Can't really change her fate
Honestly I side less and less with George as time goes by, if he had a regular day to day job I think he would be an insufferable coworker getting little to nothing done always distracted… but seriously he signed off on these shows being made, if he can’t trust show makers with his story don’t do it. The whole IP took a huge hit with the last season because he gave someone else creative control over his story. I don’t feel bad if he is making the same mistake with making two new tv shows based on the first half of Targaryen rule and three short stories. Finish something George
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With this abysmal writing.... Sunfire''s probably a horse now
its not that bad lol
Wait...they're not all horses?
You nailed the reason George RR Martin risked everything to write that post. I think Ryan Condal & Sara Hess are very impressive, they fell faster than Dan & Dave, everything going off rail after season 1.
When people say bring back D&D they don't seem as crazy even though they still are.
HBO really said let's do the dragon show again but with as little dragon screen time as humanly possible
and cut all the battle scenes because we need the budget for 4 seconds shots of all the dragons
I think that Sunfyre is THE toxic butterfly. It completely changes the ending of the dance and Rhaenyra's death (which is one of the most iconic and anticipated moments of the series being adapted). However, I do think that this was the direction they wanted to take the show. It isn't about Aegon/Rhaenyra, its about Alicent/Rhaenyra, they are making Rhaenicent canon, they have bent over backwards to absolve female characters of violence and have the end goal be escaping patriarchal westeros to live in the east. I could easily see them changing Rhaenyra's "death" to be another secret escape to essos and Aegon "makes up" her being eaten by sunfyre, or another dragon, or that just starts as a rumor.
😂😂😂😂😅😢😢😢 laugh very hard and then cry afterwards. This truly is the shyte sandwich they planned.
Nah… it’s Nettles… And there being Morning and Sheepstealer imo… i don’t mean to say i know for sure the toxic butterfly… To your point though you may as well make Aegon the Conqueror a female if you’re gonna change stuff like major character’s deaths that much. An anticipated death at that. Lol… gonna get crowded with Laenor, Rhaenyra, Damon, Rhaena, little Viserys all hiding in Essos…
I swear, I will freak out if they undo Rhae's death in the series but I have this sickening feeling that you could be right. Part of what I liked about the book charcters was their vitriol, and it's very upsetting that they're white washing Rhae & Alicent. I love evil stepmom Alicent, but I think they could do longing lesbian Alicent just as well if they didn't white wash.
I assumed Aegon's claim of Sunfyre being dead meant more like "as good as dead", because he's also projecting his broken state on sunfyre
That's exactly what I think too. It was more like "he has to be dead because look how messed up I am", kind of thing than a toxic butterfly effect
At first I thought they wanted us to think it was dead so when we see Sunfyre again it’s a nice surprise. But now I’m not so sure. Considering all the other pointless changes that have been made so some writers can feel ownership of the project instead of just telling the story how it’s meant to be told.
Giving all this screen time to Rheana sulking, or abandoning the kids she is suppose to be protecting, or wandering around in the hills, when they could have used that time to set up and show Nettles. I really hope s3 starts with SheepStealer eating Rheana and Nettles walking out of a cave and hoping in its back to go to the riverlands and eventually meet Daemon.
All the major changes they have made so far have been unforced errors, like you said. Laenor not dying never mattered or paid off, so ultimately saving him was contrived and pointless. Not including Aegon's youngest kid changed blood and cheese and future events for little reason. Removing Nettles is removing a fan favorite for literally no reason, just pissing off your core audience.
I like when they add details and motivations beyond what was in the text, the writers often do a good job at this. However whenever they change major plot points or remove characters it never ends well.
I mean they literally made Joffrey spoil rhaenyra's fate in game of thrones (while it was still good) so if they want any continuity at all they kinda have to at least make that fit right.. that would be beyond stupid to change something so significant that your other show already confirmed/backed up.
Technically all Joffrey said “Rhaenyra Targaryen was murdered by her brother-or rather, his dragon. It ate her while her son watched.”
This leaves open multiple possibilities, since neither the brother nor dragon in question get named. Aegon could claim a new dragon and kill Rhaenyra with that one. Or they could have Aemond or Daeron be the one who kills Rhaenyra
@@warpedwhimsicaltechnically, Maegor just got a little sleepy on the iron throne. He just got sleepy and everyone thought he died but really he got up and moved to Essos later.
This is horrible writing.
@@JaMeshuggah I never said it was good, I said they could have any of those things happen and it doesn’t contradict anything else in the got tv universe
No one ever claimed a second dragon. I think See Barristain tells Dany that a dragon will live several lifetimes and may take several riders, but no rider ever claimed a second dragon.
Victors write the history books and we haven't even seen the two people who supposedly wrote down the Dance's history
I'm guessing that it turns out Rhaenyra and Alicent ride off into the sunset to be together and fake their own deaths
I really want HOTD to be a success, and on the whole I've been enjoying it up till now, but they really are a couple of bad decisions away from losing the audience. Remember just how deep a hole GOT was in after season 8? How sceptical everyone was when HBO announced a new show? The fact that HOTD made GOT a viable prospect again is a pretty big deal, and if season 3 is bad the brand will probably be all but irredeemable.
to book truthers maybe
My first thought when Aegon said that was that maybe Helaena's Dreamfyre might be used for the end stuff
Lord help us
@@fagittarius555 lolol I agree
I thought it was really weak that they ended the season on Rhaena encountered Sheepstealer, but not claiming it. It’s obvious they’re playing with that new story thread but it’s almost like they wanted to wait for the season to release and see what opinions were before they either committed or backtracked on that plan.
There is one way I can see Sunfyre being dead working, though granted at this point it may be giving the show too much credit because clearly they dont actually care about a change working in the long-run. But if Aegon bonds with Grey Ghost on Dragonstone, instead of Sunfyre killing Grey Ghost, it would overall be a pretty low-impact change while setting up the possibility of a dragon rider bonding with a second dragon after their first dragon dies. That would do two things for the show: 1st, it would definitively show that Viserys _chose_ not to take a second dragon _because he didnt want to_ , which would be thematically important; 2nd, it would set up the possibility for them to kill off Sheepstealer and have Nettles-Rhaena later have Morning.
Again I dont really have any faith that the show would actually care about these things, after George's blog post. But like if they really trap themselves in those particular corners I think it does offer a way out
I agree with you that this isn’t necessarily good changes but it would at least work - would also explain somewhat towards sea smoke choosing a second rider it works the other way round
I could imagine Larys spreading rumors that Sunfyre is dead so that it will be more surprising when it turns up again.
In the book Larys hides Aegon and Dreamfyre on Dragonstone (if I remember correctly) so that would be a smart addition to the story
@_e1i it's sunfire
@@joevines3428 my b, I’m terrible with all the dragon names
Yeah that kind of does track logically... I mean, even if it was only like 1% of people stupid/crazy/ambitious enough, if a bunch of folks heard there was an injured but still living dragon that can't fly, I could imagine them overwhelming the area and trying to kill or steal Sunfyre, or at least making trouble for those guarding the dragon. It's also a way to fool the enemy into not knowing the true strength of the opposing force.
@@halocat4077 Funny you should say that because it literally happens and 60 men die trying to kill Sunfyre who then flees and doesn’t show up in the story again until near the end
They want us to be surprised by the reunion of sunfyre and aegon
I really hope this isn't what George was referring to. The show already isn't that good with the changes made imo but truly having Sunfyre dead and not giving him his arc would kill the show entirely for me
This is some Quentyn shit right here
I have a cat named Schrodinger and a dog named Pavlov. But hey! I simply can't get past HOW awesome {sad too} they made Sunfyre look after he falls...look at that melted candle waxy gold effect...damn. On point. I am also wondering if Sunfyre is gona come back Robert Strong style..Undead. Living Dead? It nags at my brainpan that Dany thinks to herself that she should not have let her dragons taste human flesh. It changes them. I THINK this is why Wargs are never supposed to eat the flesh of men when warged...not just cuz it is like way gross and creepy-but because it changes them as people and it changes their familiars/wargies. In text-I have never been convinced that Sunfyre flew to Dragonstone. What we are told...ok-take our real world for example and Anne Boleyn. Her daughter Elizabeth is Queen and yet 'ignores' the issue of what happened to HER Mother. Her dad killed her mom-and she did not openly berate or dis her dad over that shit. Why did she do that? Well, for the same reasons Aegon the 3rd does it in this fantasy story. Family shit is Complicated and RARELY entered into actual history books. Diaries get burned upon death kind of shit. Elizabeth did love her mom..and her mom literally died so that Elizabeth could keep her name and place. So. I think Sunfyre might be dead BUT as we all know...dead doesn't mean Dead is ASOIAF. Think Princess Bride dead...Have Fun Storming The Castle! comes to mind. Chocolate covered life-restoring nuts...like a Nettle description. And here is something Fun! Moondancer's name? Taking out Sunfyre...The Moon eclipses the Sun. The Moon finally did it!!! She brought down the Sun! Heheh..GRRM's has word play skillz. He is a total word-smith.
Of course it's alive - it has 1 final meal to eat. They aren't going to depart from books on that "ending".
@@ЕвгенияД-ф9д Yeah they departed on some accounts and watered down some stuff, but not following how basically all ends would be a bit too much I think. Plus as some other have already mentioned...they have to tie things to how Joeffrey described the ending in GoT.
They'll try because they're shameless
Sunfyre killed two other dragons after rock's rest, moondancer and gray ghost. That's why he dies
He died AFTER he ate Rhaenyra lol
When the episode aired I assumed they were just keeping it vague to trick the general audience into assuming Sunfyre was dead, to leave the option open for a book accurate return which would be a twist for casual fans (honestly decent idea). But given the way the rest of the Season went, and GRRM firing shots at the showrunners basically saying they have no idea what they're doing, 80% chance Sunfyre is dead for real.
Nah, no shot. Not a chance. They haven’t deviated so far from the book that they can change the outcome of THE BIGGEST propaganda tool for one of the factions.
I am genuinely believing that they are going to get Aemond to kill Rhaenyra now
I’m not a spoiler
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Controversial take. But okay
@@j84martinez44 just mad cuz last
Is it me or did they not make Sunfyre as beautiful as he is supposed to be? Also I cant help but feel like Syrax was made to look more appealing while also having more screen time as part of the huge Rheanyra bias. Syrax is supposed to be yellow but looks gold with dark red accents while Sunfyre looks dull, like a faux gold and his pink accents are almost non existent. When i look at him I ended up thinking why does Syrax look better?
Milk of the Poppy = Fuzzy psychic link
Excellent video title!!
With the HotD writers, you never know, even when you know… you never know.
I guess we'll just have to wait until they open the box
one thing I did notice this season, was a very clear shot of vermithor burning and eating one of the dragonseeds. so they shouldn't be shy of showing that onscreen.
this is kind of stannis all over again, it's ambiguous enough that either is plausible
Just finished the book. It confuses me why they made Hugh heroic and loyal. I can accept the loss of Nettles, but why flip the personalities of characters that do exist?
The dragon budget is clearly much bigger than it was in GOT, but it’s not big enough to keep Sunfyre and Teesarion. Lol
**Spoiler alert**
It's still not an excuse to cut Sunfyre completely in my opinion
He is the most important dragon in the whole conflict if budget was a concern to them then they could skip his battles with Grey Ghost and Moondancer and only show the outcome of those battles while only showing the ending of him eating Rhaenyra
@@Fa_lsal You’re not wrong. My joke stems from them potentially cutting one of the green’s dragons for another.
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My bad I didn’t know u were being sarcastic
@@Fa_lsal you’re good. Your point was well made and I agree with it ☺️. I shoulda added a /s.
Hey boss. I had a dream after watching a bunch of your videos and I think it might actually have some interesting connections in it. Basically the idea my sleepy brain had is that the Children live underground in subterranean caves, rivers, and weirwood root systems- and part of the reason weirwoods are corrupted, upset, and in pain is that their 'worshippers' have come to them with stories (songs) of conflict, war, and death, and it makes the weirwoods sad and angry. The Children continue to do this because they live in a state of exile and oppression in their own continent and have been using the weirwood system as a weapon against mankind instead of the peaceful ceremonial role they were meant to play. And the way it'll eventually be reconciled and the weirwood system cleansed and healed, is that children and men will have to come together somehow and sing songs to the trees that make the trees happy again. It sounds extremely hippy dippy, but songs are such an important aspect of this universe that the entire series is named after them, and several characters entire stories, i.e. Littlefinger (Bael-ish) Mance, and Sansa are based on retellings of classic songs. Children of the forest in human disguise like the Ghost of High Heart like to have songs sung to them. Once the old ways are abolished, the rituals of blood sacrifice stopped, the Others returned to the trees, and the trees pacified and comforted with song, nature and society can start to heal.
The phrase "long in the dying" appears early on in the first book, A Game of Thrones.
It's said in reference to Bran while he lies in a coma.
So, if the show writer intentionally borrowed this phrase from the book, you can expect that they are simply setting up what actually happens in Fire and Blood.
The only way I see they have to get this back on track if Sunfyre is dead is to completely break with dragon rider lore (not that they haven't already if Laenor is alive) and have Aegon claim Grey Ghost as his second dragon.
idk man. i think that they have made (someone) too sympathetic atp to end the series with F&B’s ending. like it’s kind of a wild bit of writing as it is and I love GRRM 😂 but I just don’t see how they’re going to arrive at that point since they’re essentially the main protagonist. also there’s been zero interaction on the show between the two main characters at the end of F&B which also is making it hard to understand the actual hatred it would take to do something like that since it wasn’t just random and unprovoked in the source material that sunfyre ended up doing what he did? im trying to be vague I’m sorry 😭
LOL, I 've been calling Sunfyre Schrodinger's Dragon for months!
Long and short of it, in Game of Thrones Joffery said Rhaenyra was killed by her brother's dragon - I know this could be Vhagar but i do believe it'll be Sunfyre
We haven't seen Mushroom at all, have we? Eustace appears (I had to look it up, I'm awful with names) but I feel like the writers are going for a "the history we know is actually a lie" ending with Rhaenyra and Alicent getting a bittersweet ending together after faking their deaths. It's already ridiculous that these two have snuck into each others kingdoms to have these secret meetings.
"History is written by those who win" is a common adage with a lot of truth to it, but for CERTAIN REASONS I'm surprised anyone in Hollywood would ever use it in a major production 🤫
Westeros doesn't have internet or google, all they have are written records and stories passed down by word of mouth
Much easier for untruths to get passed off as fact there
If what happens in the books doesn’t happen I’m gonna be mad
Sunfyre is not dead 💀 but can't fly anymore
The toxic butterflies are a red herring. HotD will differ from the book when Melania, blade of Miquella blooms for a third time in westeros for some reason
thought he said 'took long in the dying'
n do usa not have that phrase?
that's not what happens in the books aegon feeds her to sunfire
Its flame bladder exploded so it's most likely dead
Suppose could argue he so riddled with pain and is he not all in with the poppy too? So if we give leeway maybe the dragon link broken due to that so thinks it dead
I've hung to hope with such excuses for D&D, I'm not doing it again for R&H, my pitchfork is ready.
I didn't want to get on the Anti-Hess bandwagon...but I've seen some pretty great evidence that she is...a lot of what people say she is. I think the thing that makes me the most annoyed is that she gives the trolls fuel. She lives up to the ridiculous caricature they claim her to be. It took both Dave and Dan and many seasons to get what she can do in two.
If he is, what a disappointment
Hope they don't kill sunny
I'm a spoiler!
"90% chance Sunfyre is alive" lmao book fan brains are so incredibly cooked
Obviously alive but nobody cares season 2 sucked
The show is boring af
I feel that Aegons declaration of Sunfyre being dead is very in character for him.
While Sunfyre may still be alive and maybe even recovering (as Aegon is), the dragon is now useless to him. Aegon will not be able to fly into battle with Sunfyre so what use is he. May as well be dead ..
Y’know?
Ofc we know Aegon will make use of Sunfyre eventually but at this moment he’s still stuck (as you mentioned) in this ‘poor me - no cock and no dragon’ mode.
I mean no matter what. GoT already discussed Sunfyre through Joffrey explaining that sunfyre had eaten Rhaenyra. SHowrunner sof HoTD Can't really change her fate
He’s not dead. Pointless video
Honestly I side less and less with George as time goes by, if he had a regular day to day job I think he would be an insufferable coworker getting little to nothing done always distracted… but seriously he signed off on these shows being made, if he can’t trust show makers with his story don’t do it. The whole IP took a huge hit with the last season because he gave someone else creative control over his story. I don’t feel bad if he is making the same mistake with making two new tv shows based on the first half of Targaryen rule and three short stories. Finish something George
7:17 You are so sweet to make sure people know what kind of spoilers you are giving 🫶🏻
naw he is not Joffrey said so in the future