All The Electronic Drum Settings Explained (How Scan time, retrig-cancel, and more work)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ก.ค. 2024
- There are tools your drum module gives you to fix mistriggering, and help you format your module to your playing style. I explain how using velocity-control, retrig-cancel, mask-time, Threshold, and more can make your electronic drumset better
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Threshold: Threshold gives you the ability to decide how hard you have to hit the drum before it registers as a hit.
Scan time: According to roland it “Specifies the detection time for the trigger signal”
If you’ve ever noticed that when you hit a pad with the same force a couple of times, but they are all at different volumes, adjusting the scan time can fix that .
Retrig cancel: Retrig Cancel is yet another way to stop retriggering from happening. But with this setting the drum module analyzes the waveform of your drum hit reading, and detects any distortion after your hit. Because when you hit a drum and the mesh vibrates slightly afterward, you're drum might think you hit it again. Retrig cancel looks for the kind of waveform that vibration causes.
Crosstalk cancel: Cross talk is when you kit the snare, but somehow the ride cymbal sounds off. The main culprit is the fact that electronic drums usually are mounted to a drum rack. So when you hit any pad, the vibration can cause false triggers in nearly any pad. So this setting can solve that.
Rim Adjust: Pad that can detect rim shots, has two piezos inside it. One to detect drumhead hits. One to detect rim hits. If you increase the Rim Gain setting, the rim of the pad will be more sensitive to hits. This goes for cymbals too.
Velocity Control (AKA Trigger Curve): trigger curve is a way to customize your drum volume to your playing style. You can give your module a template on how loud to play each sound depending on how hard you hit the pad. If you are a light hitter, this is a must. You can tell the drum module to play the drum sound at a high volume even though you didn’t hit it that hard.
Mask time: Mask time helps you fight double triggering by telling the module to ignore a second drum hit until 2 MS after the first one. You can set it to any length of time. Real world application is if you really bury your kick drum beater, and it double triggers because you keep the beater agains the bass drum head, just increase the mask time to fix that.
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This video should be provided with EVERY edrum module and kit lol. answered soooo many questions for me and helped dial in the Strike Pro because let's face it, Alesis isn't exactly the best at providing instructions. Thanks!
Thanks David! Hope you're having luck with that kit :)
Im trying to add a comment but it won't let me?
I’ll second David’s comment!
Tá querendo muito irmão. O 65 drums ta apenas compilando de forma genérica, se tu quer entender teu modulo, que leia o manual de instrução. 😏😎😶
Dude, your explanations are always the best!!!! You just gave me key tips & tricks to fix a couple of problems I have with my eDrum.
Thanks again Justin for putting these videos together! I come back to these frequently to make changes and adjustments and for explanation of terms. You explain things extremely well!
Very good tutorial, an area I revisit from time to time just like my stick grip.
Thank you Justin.
Great work on this video Justin! I am familiar with all of the settings EXCEPT scan time! Now I understand after all these years! Thanks for doing this brother
Very useful video. Next to nothing in my TD 25 drum module about these settings so this is super useful. Cheers
Superb explanation. The velocity control from Superior Drummer (as shown) acts like a basic compressor, a nice aid to subtly controlling the hot-spot on a snare. Also, a great explanation on Mask Time, really happy to have subscribed to your channel.
Excellent job explaining these thing! Super helpful!
With all the crap on TH-cam why is there so little information like this available?
You're a rockstar man. I've never fully understood what any of these settings meant until now. Thank you very much for this!
Thank you for this video! So much useful information
65 Drums is a GREAT goTo resource - THANKS for all your help!!
Thumbs up! This was a huge help in explaining these parameters. I'd love a follow-up video of more parameters explained. You did it well.
I'll keep that video idea in mind, thanks :)
Very good explanation. Thanks
I had a problem with my edrum after I bought a double pedal, the drum bass was so sensitive it would register the most significant sounds. This video here fixed it for me. Maybe it was something so simple, but i didn't know about it. You guys should take some time with your drum module to explore the settings and see what your drum module is capable of doing. You would be surprised sometimes. Thanks for the video man!
Thanks for this video. Very helpful 👍🏼
Excellent video, very helpful.
Excellent! Thanks for sharing
Thank you so much ...this really has helped me out Thank you
Great info as always. I've always kind of stayed away from the inner workings of my module because its like im reading a book with a different language lol. These vids really do help 👊
perfect! good to know it helped
you're not alone, I did the same thing. for over a year and a half or more actually. until just went in and figured out how it works.
Hey Brother, Thank you so much for this video I’ve been in a band always played regular drums. Got a Simmons 1000 dinosaur I know lol
I was messing around with the module in the trigger threshold ext. settings and i lost the speed of my bass drum kept getting ghost hits couldn’t figure out what i did this video fixed my problem in seconds. Also thanks for explaining the duration time of the hits i messed with that also had an idea of what it did but what i didn’t know is the allowance time before the next drum hit/sound extremely helpful. Now i have the drums sounding and responding exactly how i want to. I built my own kit but didn’t know i can also use this information for the preset kits as well. Now i have it on the prekit setting for the 80s and love it. Thanks a Million 😅
Thanks so much for doing this video, it is extremely helpful to me!! Subscribed
Glad to help! :)
Using mesh heads with triggers on a td30. Thanks for showing the threshold settings. Going to try that out.
Great video, im upgrading my drums from yamaha dtx 432 to 2box speedlightkit with drumit 5mk2 module, my yamahas didnt have any of these settings but i think that 2box does, specially that kickdrum part was good..i allways leave my beater against the rubberpad and been strugling with that second hit, been playing my sonor acoustic kit since 1983 and last 2years with electrickit at home and instantly noticed that atleast my small yamahakit is way different than acoustic, but easy to play anyway. I know that 2box kit is not a professional one but it fits to my apartment well
Really enjoyed this video it brings in loads of videos into one really informative
Perfect!
Very nice!
Wonderful Job my dear friend...You are absolutely the very best teacher to bring real inside info to the normal people...It is indeed very complex if you are just an elevator mechanic with a TD-30. Thank you so much for sharing this...Can I reach you somewhere...I do have a problem with hearing the doubles on my snare...??
Good job of explaining those features.
Thanks mark!
Great video as always Justin.
Thanks Ashley!
I have been dealing with false triggering with my RT30R and the SPD30, and I think about scan time and what it does. YAY! thank you!
Hopfully that will fix it. You could also adjust the threshold too
Truly excellent!!
Such incredible information
Thanks man. Very helpful. I'm waiting for my megadrum module to arrive. It would be great to see a video about that one day if it interests you..I heard it's great but you got to get in there and tweak it for your setup at first.
I hope to do a video on them one day, I haven't played one yet.
thankyou justinn
very very very usefull
may Godbless you
Really helpful 👍
very helpful video. Thanks
you're welcome!
Great series! I have been playing regionally and nationally for 30 years, so I am definitely and "old dog" I even have had the original Simmons, WHEN THEY WERE NEW lol, however, I am mostly an acoustic player. Over the last 12 years or so, I have been using a Roland TD20 for alot of smaller gigs. It works amazingly well, and I have beat the hell out of it, and it is still going strong. I have taken my time to "create" more natural sounding tones with the module, however, there have always been a few basic things I have never taken the time to really understand, the most annoying being the content of this particular video. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a dumass, it's just really convenient to reference your videos for a quick "refresher" for us old touring hard hitting acoustic drummers when we have to take the electronic kits "out for a ride" THANK YOU! well done!
Hey you've been playing longer than I've been alive, glad to know this video was helpful!
65 Drums lol....wait till you get to that point, when the "kids" start schooling you!... but seriously, it's always been my policy to learn from anybody I don't care if you've been playing for 10 minutes or 50 years, you can always learn at least something from anybody, thanks again have a great Christmas!
Great work, Justin.
Thanks Mike!
Free eDrum Education 👍🏻🥁 Thanks
dude awesome job!! helped a ton
Sweet!
Really helpful.
+RIFFHANGER glad to help :)
Great explanations, thank you. Can you explain what you think causes the Roland PD140DS ( new digital snare) from properly following march rolls.
great video. so much easier to understand than trying to interpret the manual.answered many questions that i'd been struggling with for far too long. thanks Justin
COVID-19 brought me here! using my Roland TD-12's a lot more to keep playing and connected with my bands. Thanks for the help. I have a lot of work to do! lol
Another killer video Justin. Thanks. I was wondering what would be a decent Threshold for a acoustic snare drum with remo silent stroke and Roland trigger? I’m feeling that I never get this one right and my ghost notes are always kind of disappearing.
Thanks for the video! Do you have any idea of using DDTi midi interface? I appreciate your info!
2 things
1. what are the chances you smoke weed?
2. Thank you SOOO much for this video man. You helped explain important, albeit somewhat complicated to first understand, concepts in such a simple manner. it really helped me make sense of all these settings. Thanks a ton for this great content. gonna watch a couple times actually so all the concepts stick. Cheers!
Damn I could hug u right now !!! Thx so much.
thanks for the exlplanation. i have a question. do i need to reduce or increase the scan time to fix that force problem?
thanks man!!
You're welcome
I hear Rim shots on the head even if I hit soft , what do I need to adjuts?
The threshold also helps from triggering by hitting other drums so when you hit your snare the vibrations don't go over to the closest Tom and the Tom accidentally triggers too
true
Great!..just received the Dak Bronze Jobeky Cymbals and noticed some setting problems with the TD 25 module..do you have any overall setting information for these Jobeky´s?
Hi Justin, I’ve been trying to use my (old) TD-10 V-Drums kit to trigger Superior 3. The velocity that’s recorded is hopelessly low. Because it’s an old unit it doesn’t offer much relating to velocity. I’ve worked pretty hard at it, but it’s not good. Have you heard about this issue with old kits?
I’m buying a TD-50 snare, hat, ride and module soon, but I’m trying to get some work done in the meantime. I hate to program when I can play.
I love our channel! Thanks for all of your hard work!
Best - Tim
can you shut the rim shot off completely with the gain setting? I play alot of open rim shots on the snare frustrating when rim sound comes on at the same time as snare sound.
How nice that you took the time to put things in the description! You are an excellent teacher!
Good stuff. Mask time! Eureka, that's one I haven't played with yet, and that might be the setting that allows the brain to stop ignoring some of my faster hits....or maybe it's hljust because it's a cheaper drum kit 😂🤷♂️
After a month of owning it I’m still trying to figure out the alesis strike pro se module to get my symbols to stop bouncing from trigger zone to zone and sounding like they are muting themselves!! I can hit the ride bell 10 times and it might trigger ones but instantly read that the bow is being triggered on the module
I have a Roland TD25kv kit. I upgraded my snare to a TD128. I would like to have the same sensitivity around the perimeter as in the center. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
best settings for hot spots?
Great resource! Just picked up a spd 30 using a rt30 and a Roland mesh head on my snare and when I hit the snare at a louder volumes it doesn’t always trigger and feels sluggish when recording, can adjusting the mask time fix this?
What is the difference between retrig and mask time. Never understood that. On top of these, no matter how many combinations ive tried, i still have problems with my Roland Rt-10 for snare.
I have a probably very newbie question: will these settings still be effective, even if I'm triggering my sounds from my logic pro x program on my mac? Thanks!
Yes. These settings can be considered at the basic setup of the kit. Cross talk will happen regardless of the module or software.. Triggering sounds from logic don't you take midi from the drum module? If you are getting cross talk there, you'll get it in Logic too.
I have this video on "speed watch" next to my e-drum 👍😄
Is it possible to re trigger cancel on the td1dmk ?? Need help!! I’ve been looking on the manual & haven’t found away to doit
Thanx Justin, this video was helpful af to understand my Alesis module!!
Hi, I have a TD9 and sometimes when I hit the snare and cymbal at the same time, I always hear the snare but every now and again it cancels out the sound of the cymbal. I cant seem to figure out how to fix that. I would greatly appreciate your help or a link to a video that explains how to fix it. Thanks!
I have the same problem when I hit the Ride and Kick, sometimes the ride does not trigger. It-s not the pad because I've changed with the crash pad, still the problem to the ride. Have you found a solution?
I found this thread on the Vdrum forums. Great info for those doing their initial setup.
vdrums.com/forum/advanced/technical/67143-roland-module-tuning-trigger-setup-initial-settings-discussion
I got a td9 module Justin can you tell what the send means
Oh man.... Pretty sure you just solved the faulty Roland CY-18DR issue with edge triggering while playing on the bow with scan time! I'll lower the scan and ghost time on the cymbal and see if the lower "waves" cancel our triggering the edge while riding on the bkw. Tons of ppl have been having this issue, even with numerous replacements ($900 cad for cymbal alone 🤦🏼♂️). You my friend may have been a life saver. The td-27 manual doesn't really explain any of this in detail.
I'll keep ya posted!
Very nice video! Do you know how to fix hotspots or adjust settings in the module to reduce that? Sometimes I want to record something and when I hit the center of the snare, it triggers a very loud sound and ruins everything
Turn down the sensitivity. That should help. Also try tuning the pad tighter. Loose mesh heads cause hotspots.
I'll look into it thanks:)
Have you noticed your v-drum triggers lose sensitivity over time? I've noticed my snare after X years has trouble picking up ghost notes sometimes. I don't seem to be able to correct it with sensitivity settings either. If so is there a video on correcting this problem (like retuning the mesh or taking the trigger apart)? Great video, very helpful.
Sometimes the foam cone gets old and shrinks, try replacing that piece. parts are on ebay
My drum module only has settings called "reject" and "gain". I don't have access to the manual so what do these mean?
Justin cool informative video!! Don't understand the thumbs down?
I have no idea. There seem to a couple of people that dislike my videos
65 Drums oh okay makes no sense you are just giving good advice!!
Why do my Simmons pads have one half the volume if I hit them in the middle ??versus their louder if I hit him on the edge ....🙄all of the pads
Hi, thanks for the video! i have a question for you about Velocity control.
All pads needs a lineal setting? or it depend ? Thanks
it's all preference, play around with the different velocity presets until you find what feels good to you
Hi... How can eliminate double triggering in my dual zone pad? I hit the head and sound the rim together, then a hit the rim and sound the head at the same time.... Greetings.
Is this happening on your Snare pad? If it is, it is likely just triggering a Rim Shot for you.
I need help! I'm using GetGood Drum's Matt Halpern Signature Pack with a Drumtec Diabolo drumset fitted with a TD15 Brain. Whenever I do a flam on 2 different drums (snare and tom), no matter how soft, there will be another snare hit. This also applies to my bass drum or cymbals and it's annoying me!!
Users in the forum have also asked me to adjust the velocity to be log curve and drum module settings but I still can't get it to work! I've tried to mess around with the mask time etc but it seems I'm not getting the settings right.
Any tips additional tips or things I'm doing wrongly?
Ouch :( did you try raising the threshold ?
Why is the velocity control called like that? What does it have to do with speed?
Edit: nevermind, I got it when you talked about mask-time. It's the velocity you hit the pad at.
the thing that boggles my mind is on my Donner ded-400 to turn DOWN the sensitivity you turn UP the number... why? in what universe does that make sense? thanks for explaining the concepts though, even though this video is like a thousand years old in internet terms the basics never change. thanks.
Hey Justin , great video. got a Q . will the module setting apply when triggering software ...?
Yes! Alot of these setting apply when using software. But you may have to tweek it a bit.
ok cool ...i used a blank drum on the module thats dedicated to the software...just wanted to double check
that a good idea, never thought of that
Hey Justin, Im not sure if you'd know anything about this - But I just bought a Roland Td-50kv and I have Addictive Drums 2 Software im running. I cant for the life of me figure out how to do custom"Mapping" for these drums ? The set feels all wrong and the hihat and cymbals are the worst feeling. Tried mapping but its complicated. There is so many Stroke Types its dizzying. XLN has NO helpful videos at all. Do you know anything about AD2 ? Thanks
I also use AD2 in conjunction with my electronic drum kit. Maybe I can help you.
If you want to reassign to different pads, go to "? -> Map Window"
Select a sound using the buttons in the upper middle (Cym 3, Flexi 1, Snare, etc.)
Now select the desired sound (like Tom 1 Open Hit), click the "Learn" button and then strike the pad you want to assign that sound to.
Now this sound is mapped to the pad you hit. Make sure to also adjust the velocity curve in case it doesn't feel right.
When you're done, go to the drop-down menu under "Map Preset" and save your custom mapping.
I can't help you with positional sensing or the more advanced hihat settings, since my hardware is a lot more basic than yours.
However, a quick Google search should lead you to someone who had the exact same problem and found a solution for it.
What is the best e drum program;(ez drummer etc)
So far EZdrummer is my favorite
I played drums in a van Halen tribute band. I’m trying to get that 5150 Tom pad sound. I have analysis DM pro. Is there anyway I could ask you a few questions? Can I give you my number or email?
My dumb @$$ put a splash cymbal mount on the cymbal mount and the cross talk was ridiculous. so if you are struggling and you have done this... just move the mount :) Never claimed to be a smart girl.... lol. Great video Justin
hahahaha
Just check the manual of ur Edrums
hotspot
the worst
Sry man, hehehe. I was so frustrated researching about how to deal with my pdx 100.... I gave and now using it as my tom 3, on a roland 11 k .
I bought it so i could replace a pdx 8, but the hotspot right in the center ruined it for me... Thanks for all the videos, you are awesome.
No You're awesome :)