@Amanda, against all the odds you were able to get out of The Order. As a woman, I admire your strength, tenacity, personality, beauty, and not being afraid to reach back to help others leave. You're an amazing young woman!!
The more I learn about you the more impressed I am at how strong and wonderful you are. You have come so far since you first episode of escaping polygamy and it’s been incredibly humbling to see someone so committed to making their own life better simply by helping other people. You are an amazing person and are truly making a difference getting this information out.
My parents were fundamental Baptist my grandmother more extreme. I was at the Arkansas house and Hespa under Gothards ATI. She just did a few shiny happy people interviews. They were amazing and you two have amazing chemistry aswell.
I "grew up" in Texas. I know how the Baptists can be😢 the shaming for 1 slip, Jesus came to ❤LOVE❤ & also to SERVE❣️ In my mind He came to teach us how to LOVE & SERVE. He wasn't the Massiah, but He will be when He returns. & Buddy He will be pi$$ed!!! So I'll send you some ❤LOVE ❤😁👍
When I was in high school there was a family with 3 autistic children… the first son has Asperger’s, then the next two sons were non- verbal, very severely autistic. Once you have one child with autism your chances of having more is way higher, inbreeding or not.
A lot of people find out they might have it when their kids are diagnosed. A co-worker in his 50s was diagnosed because his nephew was and he went oh that's why
@@nickywal Yes, exactly - two of my kids have been diagnosed with ASD, and one has ADHD as well. I realized my mom has ADHD because of that. It's not in the movie, but in the book "the big short", the guy who read through all the mortgages and predicted the housing market collapse was diagnosed with Asperger's (no longer used in the US)/ASD right after his son was. There's definitely a genetic component. Once you have one autistic child, your chances of the next child being diagnosed are supposedly about 25%
Autism isn't always such a deficit, I believe they all have the HUGE talent, the hard part is finding where the talent is. Like in the movie Rainman his talent was numbers, I've seen a little girl who could write music @the age of 3 playing the piano at 2 & violin at 4. They call it savant I call it a blessing😘😉
And another issue with marrying and having children with close relatives...the more the incest continues generation after generation, the higher the likelihood of genetic disease because the higher the likelihood that children born will be carriers for something. With each generation, that likelihood gets higher and then those people come together and produce more babies...it gets worse with each generation.
It's an issue we've been dealing with in the UK, the Pakistani community does a lot of cousin marriages and has a very high rate of severe intellectual disabilities. They're being offered genetic counselling, I guess basically what the order is doing. A lot are taking it
Yeah, that’s why the order has had to resort to blood tests and baby cemeteries. And also why so many men in this newer generation are completely infertile. Any X linked condition naturally affects men more often and more severely than women, so all this inbreeding is going to start affecting their precious men sooner than later
@@nickywal I work for a Medicaid plan in the US, and once had to work on a case where a Pakistani couple who were first cousins had a baby with uncontrolled blood sugars - multiple hospitals couldn't help, and they had to send the baby out of state for a 98% pancreatectomy (removal of most of the pancreas). Pakistan apparently has the highest consanguineous marriage rate in the world. I now believe cousin marriage should be illegal. We also see this in Boston/Somerville, MA, where large families from the UAE, Saudi Arabia, etc. come to stay for a year for treatment for various genetic disorders because of cousin marriage. They pay a lot of money to the big hospital systems in cash. It's one way hospitals stay in business, which is kind of disturbing.
@@jcg03002Some of the pushback from the community has been well there isn't the same rate in Pakistan. But also the British Pakistani population is a lot smaller and probably less genetically diverse than the general population in Pakistan
If you're wanting to know what will happen, look up the Hasburgh monarchy. That family spent generations marrying from within. It's a wild story and the empire they built eventually crumbled because of it.
No, you got the inbreeding stuff absolutely right...when two living beings...people dogs, cats, horses.......have the same recessive genes and those genes by chance happen to pair up in an offspring of the two, that is what makes the illness develop in that offspring, if only one has the gene the offspring can be a carrier but will never develop the illness. I study genetics via breeding poultry. We somewhat use this to make recessive genes we want to come forward, to come forward...like maybe a color that is recessive.
Also here is a very inbred family in appalachia today...you can see clearly the disability in alot of them. All due to inbreeding. Most are low IQ, several have eyes that are headed off in different directions and one of the men got it BAD, he can't talk and only grunts and yelps to communicate. The one halfway normal one has been saddled with caring for the rest her entire life...She got lucky and escaped the worst of the recessive genes. Hey order members....these are your kids in not too long...enjoy! th-cam.com/video/nkGiFpJC9LM/w-d-xo.html
It is not polite to ask someone why she/he don't have children, why she/he gain/lose weight etc. There are things you don't ask aspacialy if you are not very close with a person. greetings from Europe ❤ ps. Amanda I would really want to see you doing an interview with Dr. Ramany
Thanks Amanda , I agree, I would feel pretty rude asking personal questions. I suppose if you wouldn't just go up to someone in the street and ask personal questions why would you think it ok hiding behind a keyboard ?.....have a good Halloween 🎃
A lot of people have a huge false sense of entitlement, even with people who aren’t public figures. I have an Assistance/Service Dog in Training and whenever I say that’s his job and that’s why they can’t pet him I get questions like “What does he assist you with?”, “Why do you need an Assistance Dog?”, “What’s your disability, you don’t look disabled?”, etc. At first I didn’t know what to say but now I’m just shutting them down with “I have PTSD from growing up with a lifetime of domestic violence and I have a broken spine from a guy in a semi rear ending my car on purpose.”, this usually shuts them up and makes them move on real quick. I’m done with nosey people who have no right to ask questions like that. So I honestly think that this person saying that you owe explanations to people because you’re a public figure, is just an entitled asshole. I’m new to your channel but I really enjoy your videos and it’s very informative and educational, there needs to be more of this content shown because outsiders just don’t understand what it’s like or what actually happens in families and cults like The Order 👌🏽 Have a great Halloween! 🫶🏼
Your response is exactly what I used to do when people asked when I was going to have a baby. “I’m infertile.” Then people would get real quiet and embarrassed. No one’s entitled to anyone else’s story but I decided I’m going to make the other person the uncomfortable one.
I have a visible disability myself. People act so entitled to your medical history it's not even funny. It gets to the point that I just tell people unless me giving you this information improves my quality of life, you're not getting it. I've had my disability from birth and it never stops with just one question. It's an interrogation. Plus, if you refuse to answer they consider you rude. I am not part of a freak show of old. You can move along now.
And the thing is I've never seen a kid continue to demand the right to pet service dogs or distract them, it's nearly always adults. You tell kids the dog is a superhero and can't be distracted and they're fine. Adults well a guide dog handler who has only minimal light perception posted a video of an airport worker who did an amazing job guiding her while travelling alone, the amount of people reaching out to distract the dog was terrifying
In 1978 when i married my 1st hasbeen it was in Utah we had to have blood tests, but when I married my first 2 baby's daddy (ultimately 2 more) in 1986 Utah didn't ask for the blood test. Coulda been because i gave birth to both (conceived in Texas) in Utah, but i doubt it🥺🤔
Also possibly occuring in the Order is Fumarase Deficiency - aka polygamous downs, or mormon downs. Primarily is seen in the Short Creek communities, but there is a fair amount of genetic crossover into other polygamous mormon communities.
If you want to see a drastic example of what might happen with incest look up "Habsburger lip". Habsburger have nothing to do with food. They were a dynasty and therefore a lot of potraits exist, where you can actually see the inherited famous jaw, that became disfunctional at some point. One of the family members was infertil, he was uncontrollably drooling constantly, couldn't really speak and couldn't eat. I don't remember if he had mental problems as well. What a misery his life must have been. All because of marrying in the family.
Yeah I saw that in the comments but you guys barely even mentioned autism. You mentioned a bunch of things that you saw ONE of them being autism but never did you say ppl who are autistic are inbred. 😑
When all these miscarriages and still births are happening, why dont they take it as a ‘sign from god’ that they shouldn’t be impregnating their own family…?
This absolutely must be illegal... blood testing CHILDREN to see who they can marry then basically FORCED to marry someone they are related to. So fucked up.
I tried to tell someone in The Order that the inbreeding was a serious issue and he refused to acknowledge it. Even the marriages to second cousins repeatedly over time is too much. The stillbirths, miscarriages, and defects are there. They are just being ignored.
You got married on national TV and people are naturally curious about your marriage and also she Lisa's husband said it right that people feel a connection with you. You rightfully so never included your Ex in anything (probably out of respect). People can be sad and confused knowing something happened, but not what happened, about such a personal part of your life. It's like if you adopted a dog on the show, then you lost that dog for some reason and didn't want to talk about it, that's OK, a lot of people still are going to be lost over not knowing what happened.
Hey Amanda i joined the day this came out😢 i missed it😮 when do you go live again? I have some thoughts on "the church" the one that "APPARENTLY" split from 🤔 i dunno if it was your "church" or FLDS but its the LDS "no F" 😉🤣 how could i DM you or is there a way to text privately so you can help me understand WTF😮??? lol
Why do you have to clarify anything Amanda? The basics of genetics: mixing similar gene pool with plethora of non dominant „bad“ genes will produce a dominant „bad“ genes. In my opinion the infertility is God‘s blessing, because people, born from close relative relationships, are suffering medical consequences…
@Amanda, a study just came out about cousin marriages causing infertility - I tried to share it here. If you look up the Himba people, there are studies that just came out about cousin marriages leading to increased infertility in a population. I read this and thought, I need to share this with Amanda Rae, she was right!
@Amanda, against all the odds you were able to get out of The Order. As a woman, I admire your strength, tenacity, personality, beauty, and not being afraid to reach back to help others leave. You're an amazing young woman!!
Most of us understand what you meant when autism was brought up. Some people just got defensive and wanted to be ornery.
The more I learn about you the more impressed I am at how strong and wonderful you are. You have come so far since you first episode of escaping polygamy and it’s been incredibly humbling to see someone so committed to making their own life better simply by helping other people. You are an amazing person and are truly making a difference getting this information out.
I watched all episodes about the order and they are really good. Recommended 🔥
My parents were fundamental Baptist my grandmother more extreme. I was at the Arkansas house and Hespa under Gothards ATI. She just did a few shiny happy people interviews. They were amazing and you two have amazing chemistry aswell.
I "grew up" in Texas. I know how the Baptists can be😢 the shaming for 1 slip, Jesus came to ❤LOVE❤ & also to SERVE❣️ In my mind He came to teach us how to LOVE & SERVE. He wasn't the Massiah, but He will be when He returns. & Buddy He will be pi$$ed!!! So I'll send you some ❤LOVE ❤😁👍
I got my Valiant Unicorn box! The box alone is such great quality! I’m so excited for all my goodies.
Yay!🎉 I'm so excited to get a box myself
Got mine as well! I love love it!! Such great products and for a great price!
I caught you on C2C the other day. What a great interview and I look forward to your interview with them. 🤗
Me too❤😁
When I was in high school there was a family with 3 autistic children… the first son has Asperger’s, then the next two sons were non- verbal, very severely autistic. Once you have one child with autism your chances of having more is way higher, inbreeding or not.
Yes you're right, because of the genetic component.
A lot of people find out they might have it when their kids are diagnosed. A co-worker in his 50s was diagnosed because his nephew was and he went oh that's why
@@nickywal Yes, exactly - two of my kids have been diagnosed with ASD, and one has ADHD as well. I realized my mom has ADHD because of that. It's not in the movie, but in the book "the big short", the guy who read through all the mortgages and predicted the housing market collapse was diagnosed with Asperger's (no longer used in the US)/ASD right after his son was. There's definitely a genetic component. Once you have one autistic child, your chances of the next child being diagnosed are supposedly about 25%
Autism isn't always such a deficit, I believe they all have the HUGE talent, the hard part is finding where the talent is. Like in the movie Rainman his talent was numbers, I've seen a little girl who could write music @the age of 3 playing the piano at 2 & violin at 4. They call it savant I call it a blessing😘😉
@@skyjust828 everyone has talents, whether they're autistic or not. Ofcourse finding what the autistic person is good at or enjoys is important.
You're so pretty and super smart.I can't believe the life you've had.I can't even begin to imagine.Way to push through!
And another issue with marrying and having children with close relatives...the more the incest continues generation after generation, the higher the likelihood of genetic disease because the higher the likelihood that children born will be carriers for something. With each generation, that likelihood gets higher and then those people come together and produce more babies...it gets worse with each generation.
It's an issue we've been dealing with in the UK, the Pakistani community does a lot of cousin marriages and has a very high rate of severe intellectual disabilities. They're being offered genetic counselling, I guess basically what the order is doing. A lot are taking it
Yeah, that’s why the order has had to resort to blood tests and baby cemeteries. And also why so many men in this newer generation are completely infertile. Any X linked condition naturally affects men more often and more severely than women, so all this inbreeding is going to start affecting their precious men sooner than later
@@nickywal I work for a Medicaid plan in the US, and once had to work on a case where a Pakistani couple who were first cousins had a baby with uncontrolled blood sugars - multiple hospitals couldn't help, and they had to send the baby out of state for a 98% pancreatectomy (removal of most of the pancreas). Pakistan apparently has the highest consanguineous marriage rate in the world. I now believe cousin marriage should be illegal.
We also see this in Boston/Somerville, MA, where large families from the UAE, Saudi Arabia, etc. come to stay for a year for treatment for various genetic disorders because of cousin marriage. They pay a lot of money to the big hospital systems in cash. It's one way hospitals stay in business, which is kind of disturbing.
@@jcg03002Some of the pushback from the community has been well there isn't the same rate in Pakistan. But also the British Pakistani population is a lot smaller and probably less genetically diverse than the general population in Pakistan
If you're wanting to know what will happen, look up the Hasburgh monarchy. That family spent generations marrying from within. It's a wild story and the empire they built eventually crumbled because of it.
Oh absolutely - that chin! 😱
@@vjc2270 ah yes the Hasburgh jaw. The last son had it the worst according to history.
No, you got the inbreeding stuff absolutely right...when two living beings...people dogs, cats, horses.......have the same recessive genes and those genes by chance happen to pair up in an offspring of the two, that is what makes the illness develop in that offspring, if only one has the gene the offspring can be a carrier but will never develop the illness. I study genetics via breeding poultry. We somewhat use this to make recessive genes we want to come forward, to come forward...like maybe a color that is recessive.
th-cam.com/video/LU_6F6ZQMGA/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/xdaQEplYTEI/w-d-xo.html
Also here is a very inbred family in appalachia today...you can see clearly the disability in alot of them. All due to inbreeding. Most are low IQ, several have eyes that are headed off in different directions and one of the men got it BAD, he can't talk and only grunts and yelps to communicate. The one halfway normal one has been saddled with caring for the rest her entire life...She got lucky and escaped the worst of the recessive genes. Hey order members....these are your kids in not too long...enjoy!
th-cam.com/video/nkGiFpJC9LM/w-d-xo.html
It is not polite to ask someone why she/he don't have children, why she/he gain/lose weight etc. There are things you don't ask aspacialy if you are not very close with a person. greetings from Europe ❤ ps. Amanda I would really want to see you doing an interview with Dr. Ramany
Great channel, you are a technical wizard. It's so adorable to what you set up.
Your such a beautiful woman! Soo happy you got away from this nonsense!! 💜
aww thankyou💜💜💜me too for real lol I would have gone crazy if I stayed
You are really beautiful 😊
GET OFF YOUR SISTER!!! 😂😂😂😂
Looks great on my end
Thanks Amanda , I agree, I would feel pretty rude asking personal questions. I suppose if you wouldn't just go up to someone in the street and ask personal questions why would you think it ok hiding behind a keyboard ?.....have a good Halloween 🎃
A lot of people have a huge false sense of entitlement, even with people who aren’t public figures.
I have an Assistance/Service Dog in Training and whenever I say that’s his job and that’s why they can’t pet him I get questions like “What does he assist you with?”, “Why do you need an Assistance Dog?”, “What’s your disability, you don’t look disabled?”, etc.
At first I didn’t know what to say but now I’m just shutting them down with “I have PTSD from growing up with a lifetime of domestic violence and I have a broken spine from a guy in a semi rear ending my car on purpose.”, this usually shuts them up and makes them move on real quick.
I’m done with nosey people who have no right to ask questions like that.
So I honestly think that this person saying that you owe explanations to people because you’re a public figure, is just an entitled asshole.
I’m new to your channel but I really enjoy your videos and it’s very informative and educational, there needs to be more of this content shown because outsiders just don’t understand what it’s like or what actually happens in families and cults like The Order 👌🏽
Have a great Halloween! 🫶🏼
Your response is exactly what I used to do when people asked when I was going to have a baby. “I’m infertile.” Then people would get real quiet and embarrassed. No one’s entitled to anyone else’s story but I decided I’m going to make the other person the uncomfortable one.
I have a visible disability myself. People act so entitled to your medical history it's not even funny. It gets to the point that I just tell people unless me giving you this information improves my quality of life, you're not getting it. I've had my disability from birth and it never stops with just one question. It's an interrogation. Plus, if you refuse to answer they consider you rude. I am not part of a freak show of old. You can move along now.
And the thing is I've never seen a kid continue to demand the right to pet service dogs or distract them, it's nearly always adults. You tell kids the dog is a superhero and can't be distracted and they're fine. Adults well a guide dog handler who has only minimal light perception posted a video of an airport worker who did an amazing job guiding her while travelling alone, the amount of people reaching out to distract the dog was terrifying
Sounds like the orders" heaven is actually hell 🔥
Amanda, the beautiful, and funny 🤪
In 1978 when i married my 1st hasbeen it was in Utah we had to have blood tests, but when I married my first 2 baby's daddy (ultimately 2 more) in 1986 Utah didn't ask for the blood test. Coulda been because i gave birth to both (conceived in Texas) in Utah, but i doubt it🥺🤔
You are getting my like right now just because of the fact that You will be Bob's Burgers for Halloween one year 😜😊😁
Also possibly occuring in the Order is Fumarase Deficiency - aka polygamous downs, or mormon downs. Primarily is seen in the Short Creek communities, but there is a fair amount of genetic crossover into other polygamous mormon communities.
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If you want to see a drastic example of what might happen with incest look up "Habsburger lip". Habsburger have nothing to do with food. They were a dynasty and therefore a lot of potraits exist, where you can actually see the inherited famous jaw, that became disfunctional at some point. One of the family members was infertil, he was uncontrollably drooling constantly, couldn't really speak and couldn't eat. I don't remember if he had mental problems as well. What a misery his life must have been. All because of marrying in the family.
Yeah I saw that in the comments but you guys barely even mentioned autism. You mentioned a bunch of things that you saw ONE of them being autism but never did you say ppl who are autistic are inbred. 😑
When all these miscarriages and still births are happening, why dont they take it as a ‘sign from god’ that they shouldn’t be impregnating their own family…?
this is such a great question that is making me want to do a whole podcast episode on this subject. Thankyou! such a great point!
This absolutely must be illegal... blood testing CHILDREN to see who they can marry then basically FORCED to marry someone they are related to.
So fucked up.
Hearts of babies beat faster than those of adults.
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I tried to tell someone in The Order that the inbreeding was a serious issue and he refused to acknowledge it. Even the marriages to second cousins repeatedly over time is too much. The stillbirths, miscarriages, and defects are there. They are just being ignored.
I know ! I love Shelise and Jonathan too!
Amanda , you're so pretty 😍
Does Val have a box for people who don't have a tub? (Shower only) my daughter DESERVES a box for Christmas ❣️❣️❣️
Recessive jeans b bad.
God edvice from Kami❤ you choose
You got married on national TV and people are naturally curious about your marriage and also she Lisa's husband said it right that people feel a connection with you. You rightfully so never included your Ex in anything (probably out of respect).
People can be sad and confused knowing something happened, but not what happened, about such a personal part of your life. It's like if you adopted a dog on the show, then you lost that dog for some reason and didn't want to talk about it, that's OK, a lot of people still are going to be lost over not knowing what happened.
Hey Amanda i joined the day this came out😢 i missed it😮 when do you go live again? I have some thoughts on "the church" the one that "APPARENTLY" split from 🤔 i dunno if it was your "church" or FLDS but its the LDS "no F" 😉🤣 how could i DM you or is there a way to text privately so you can help me understand WTF😮??? lol
❤Has this cult trauma ruined Love for you, ❤I hope you can find a Love of your own.
You’re so funny and cute 🥰
How can i DM you? I want to compare personal info?
Why do you have to clarify anything Amanda? The basics of genetics: mixing similar gene pool with plethora of non dominant „bad“ genes will produce a dominant „bad“ genes. In my opinion the infertility is God‘s blessing, because people, born from close relative relationships, are suffering medical consequences…
@Amanda, a study just came out about cousin marriages causing infertility - I tried to share it here. If you look up the Himba people, there are studies that just came out about cousin marriages leading to increased infertility in a population. I read this and thought, I need to share this with Amanda Rae, she was right!
Sound is echo like
🤔 Question: where does it say ANYWHERE that Jesus had even ONE kid much less be a grandfather??? Thats blasphemous 🤬
I do custom press on nails, let me know if you’re interested 🥰
Positive? Not with my sarcasm
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Hi
Are you gonna do more non cult (lighthearted) videos again