@@BillMorganChannelI'm an alumnus of ASU, which was in the WAC during the years mentioned. Utah was pretty uniformly terrible at football in the 1970s. Their basketball program was great, but they were terrible at footbal. Lovat's record of 5-28 was probably right in line with Utah's coaches both before and after.
@@stuartdollar9912 My sister went to ASU in the late 70's. Is Tempe hotter now that it was then? I recall they were alarmed the temperature hit 100 F back then.
@@stuartdollar9912 Actually...it wasn't. Bill Meek won 7 games the season before Lovat took over, two more wins than Lovat had in his three seasons combined. Then two seasons after Lovat, Wayne Howard won 8 games. Meek and Howard did have a 3-win season but that was their worst and equaled Lovat's best. So he really did stand out for all the wrong reasons.
I love how all your Bart Starr HC videos start exactly the same: “one of the greatest QBs of all time but one of the worst HC’s ever especially with the long leash he had!”
I'm too young to remember Starr's QB career. Boy, do I remember Starr's head coaching career. If he wasn't a legendary player for Green Bay, he would have lasted no more than three seasons as a coach.
@@stuartdollar9912 I don't remember either. It seems like people drudging up his failures is just justifying how the Packers are a bad franchise filled with bad players and bad people.
No wonder they were so awful until the early '90s. I grew up in the '80s and I saw no evidence of the Pack's past glory when I started watching the NFL in the middle of that decade.
Who were the morons running the Packers back then who thought Bart Starr and Dan Devine would make good NFL head coaches? And another dumb decision Bart did was in Week 16 of 1983 against the Bears. Bears were in the Red Zone with 1 minute/17 seconds left and the Packers had all 3 timeouts. Bart Starr didn't use any of them, and the Bears kicked a go ahead field goal with 10 seconds left. Packers fumbled the kickoff and lost 23-21, finishing at 8-8. Had the Packers won, they would've gotten the 2nd Wild Card spot over the Rams (Packers owned the tie breaker with a H2H win).
Its just so hard for to badmouth Bart. I just respect him so much. Gm bad. Coach. Not very good. Probably kept him to long ido admit. If today someone asked the number 1 packer jersey of all time. 15# He did draft Lofton. Lol.
@kylemarzion2814 In addition to James Lofton, the Packers also got linebacker John Jefferson (a dozen years and on the all 80s NFL team) in the 1978 draft. Plus, they picked up the future 3 time pro bowler TE Paul Coffman as an undrafted free agent. So the old metaphor "a broken clock is still right twice" makes sense here. Now that 1982 Packers team, if division standings counted; they would've won the NFC Central.
Getting on that reporter's case by calling his house phone is wild. What the hell was that reporter supposed to do? Tom Lovat's 5-28 record as Utah's head coach wasn't something that someone in the WAC made up to make him look bad. Maybe we should've called the Streisand effect the Starr effect given that Starr pulled this stunt 23 years earlier! 😁
Man, coaching can bring out the worst in people, even at youth level. A couple years ago I was the film coach at my former high school (at the time this was a handful of years after I graduated) and a buddy of mine was the JV O-line coach. The morning of an away game, I was at work and during a break I discovered that the town we were playing in had a new KFC nearby, so I texted him and some other freshmen/JV coach buddies that I’d be willing to get some food for us after the game if they wanted. He said he didn’t want anything (as well as the other guys), so I just forgot about it. That night he was in a bad mood but I thought nothing of it. But from the next night at the varsity game through following week’s practices and subsequent freshmen/JV games I noticed he was suddenly cold and avoidant towards me. It concerned me because even though we’re basically coworkers, we’re also friends and I want my friends to be in good mental shape, so when we were setting up for the upcoming varsity game I asked him if something was wrong. He replied “KFC?! ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?! FUCKING KFC?! Don’t EVER come to me with that shit again!!” and stormed away, completely ignoring me for the rest of the season, even in person. I was dumbfounded and really pissed about it, even now I’m still a little irritated remembering it. Like how do you get so mad at an offer for free food? I tried to rationalize it, he was losing weight at the time, but that still doesn’t warrant blowing up at me. I never made fun of his weight or harassed him for not wanting any food, I just asked him and he said no so I dropped the subject. What a ridiculous way to ruin a friendship.
I recently bought a stack of old Football Digest magazines from the years 1978, 1979, and 1980 and found out what a terrible coach Starr was. But I didn't know about his anger management issues or his use of a whip. Great Quarterback but what an idiot.
I'm a packer fan. And when I was like 11 years old I was playing in a baseball tourney in a wisconsin town. Bart was staying at the same hotel my team was. Most of the team went to meet him and get his autograph in his room. I didn't go thinking it would be kinda "rude" to intrude. Everyone came back saying he was awesome and gave him autographs. I regret not going myself. So anyways I like the guy and... I object to your title. It's rude. Something akin to bart starr was a terrible head coach or something that doesn't paint his entire intellect poorly would be better.
I said in the comment section that there would be Packers fans who would be upset at the video title without any context. Didn’t take too long to find the first comment about it.
I lived just a few miles from Bart for years in Hoover, AL and he was like royalty around here, loved and respected by everyone. He was known to turn down autographs when asked, instead asking for your home address. A week or ten days later a signed NFL football arrived at your home. How's that?
I am thinking Bart Starr had a lowkey drinking problem. Calling that reporter at home after hours about that story sounds like something someone would do while half drunk.
Why are there not more "thumbs down" on this video? No one should call B. Starr a "moron", regardless of his coaching. The person who hired him as a head coach, and then kept him as a head coach, was the moron.
Another example of hall of fame player who didnt pan out as head coach. Bart Starr Mike Singletary and Norm Van Brocklin for football, Ted Williams as a baseball example, Gretzky hc tenure with the coyotes was bad and Isiah Thomas (Pistons hof not former Celtics player in late 2010s) not only was bad hc but awful GM.
One of the reasons I love this channel is the tell it like is style that you have and Bart Starr was really bad as a head coach with this and the whip incident and to this day why the Packers let this man coach for eight years when they ran a better coach Dan Devine out for only three years.
Hey Bart Starr. I know you've passed away and all, but are you aware you hired as an assistant, Tom Lovat who went 5-28 as the head coach at the University of Utah?
The crazy thing was Bart Starr was the ONLY coach to win a playoff game before the Holmgren era. Yeah the Devine 1972 playoffs was the other postseason, but other than that the Packers were just a mediocre team. The Packers had great offensive talent in Lynn Dickey, James Lofton, Eddie Lee Ivory. It was also the Packers just had a terrible terrible defense.
If Starr had came to the practice with one of those red hats the rock group Devo wore and sang the song Whip It by Devo which was popular the same year this episode occurred in 1980 then Starr would have seemed hip and funny but Starr does not seem to be a Devo fan.
In Starr's defense as a coach, the Packers front office declined throughout the 1970's. He didn't have many good players to work with until the early 80's. He did put together an outstanding offense from about 82-84.
It was certainly a surprise afterr watching all those NFL Films and Favre being in his prime growing up when you learn more about NFL history and find out that they were absolute dreck from 68-92
Dude the "comments by members" section here is hilarious. It feels like it's a bunch of the youtuber's friends mocking him for phrases he repeats a lot. I love this channel, but I also love how he's got these go to phrases that his audience has picked up on.
Look up Starr's years-long feud with Milwaukee writer Dave Begel. When Starr was stripped of his GM duties and held a presser, he saw Begel in and ordered 'Get that ass out of here...' He also went off on long-time Milwaukee sports writer Bud Lea after a loss to Tampa Bay in 1979. Lea asked Starr if he suggested benching David Whitehurst for Lynn Dickey. Said that he felt Dickey had better 'comeback ability'. Starr shot back saying he resents Lea's take on Whitehurst and added 'In fact I resent the hell out of it' Next question from another reporter - 'You are 1-2 now...' Starr interrupts and explodes on Lea - WHAT THE HELL DO YOU KNOW ABOUT COMEBACK ABILITY...' OH, and Lynn Dickey, his leg broke in two places on last play of the game in 1977 with his team losing 24-6. And in his last game in 1983 against the Bears with a playoff spot on the line, he let the clock run down before Bob Thomas kicked winning field goal, Starr had at least one (if not two time outs in his pocket. When asked about it post-game Starr snapped 'That's our business'.
@@mitchbrown6652 Against a fact, there is no argument. If you weren't there, read about it. I'll wait for you to provide a list of the athletes who demanded a trade from Green Bay while he was there. In the smallest market and coldest climate (other than Minnesota) in the NFL. That changed when Forrest Gregg became coach. Explain this to his players who went through walls for him.
@@classicrockbeagle So is this a fact? The whip thing? From 1975-1983... If it is a fact how in tf do you believe that ALL of his players went through walls....for HIM. Not for the love of the game, Not for self respect in playing hard, not the pay check. But for him. Clearly a small and racist POS....But you really believe that they were playing for him? Be honest. I really am curious. Is that what you really think?
Around seven months later, assistant coach Fred Von Appen resigned after an incident involving a player eating a hot dog on the sidelines during the last preseason game.
Appreciate the chanel- you bring up interesting slices of nfl history that havent been publicized - good stuff as a lifelong NFL fan Edit - like the content, not cresy bout the tittle - im not a fan of kicking more dirt on a mans grave ( unless he was a violent homicidal dictator and/or criminal) but ill look beyond the tittle & once again appreciate the little known coaching history w/ BS
You keep failing to really bring out why Bart Starr got angry with the writer. Its BECAUSE he said the coach WAS FIRED AFTER 3 YEARS. IT WAS A TASTELESS COMMENT! That's the real reason, NOT that the coach went 5 - 28... its the fact that the writer had to mention the coach was FIRED.
He should have printed the press release verbatim. If he wanted to write a separate story, fine, but punching up the release in the way he did, made it appear that the packers included his coaching record. Clearly, they did not want to do that. Also, Starr's relationship with Judge Paris was rocky, at best. Parins was a hateful clown that set the team back for years (Mike Butler anyone?). Thankfully, Bob Harlan changed all that.
Yall forget that Starr inherited a completely bare shelf due to Forrest Gregg trading several good draft picks to get John Hadl as QB. The man had literally less than nothing to work with.
“That Guy Alert”: In your video about the bull whip incident you said Starr brought it out for a different reason, a reason related to this video. You pointed out in the video all the ways Starr was not a racist.
A joke from elementary school when he was coach for the Packers. What happened when Bart Starr unzipped his pants? Lynn Dickey popped out That is the only Packers joke I have ever heard
In fairness, you surely know that you can slant stories with the right cherry-picked "true" facts and omissions. Countless things are true. Only a few facts end up in articles. My guess (since we didn't get Starr's side of the story) is that he thought the announcement about his new hire wasn't the time to paint the guy as a loser at a different job, and that the reporter was taking a snarky shot. I'm not saying he's right. From what I heard I tend to agree with you that Starr overreacted and acted stupidly, as did the coach at y'all's opponents' school. But the extreme emphasis on the fact being true seems like a straw man. Obviously these men weren't denying the public records' accuracy. The question apparently is whether that fact was appropriate for the occasion.
I can understand why Starr was upset, it's still silly, but mentioning an abysmal record of a coach's history can be seen as a red flag by readers and thus can be misconstrued as a smear, even if it's 100% the reporter's job to mention, and no the report on the paper was not unprofessional by any means, it was by the books normal as you OP said. Starr wanted his coach to look good as possible, what person wouldn't want their hire to look good? I'm surprised McCarthy didn't get mad at reporters mentioning Dom Caper's dubious coaching history and numerous red flags before the Packers hired him (and kept him at DC WAY too long!), Capers was HC of the Panthers and Texans with only 1 winning season iirc between the 2, and was a 1 year DC for the Miami Dolphins the year of which they went 1-15. Mike Pettine was a HC for 2 years for the Browns in which his 2nd year was awful (it's the Browns, no HoF coach can get that team to be good!), but outside of that, his stints as DC or DB coach were fantastic! But people kept pointing at his 2 year stint with the Browns as a red flag. It's the same thing with Jeff Hafley right now, dude was HC of Boston College for 3 years and has a losing record, is that a red flag? I don't think so, it's BC they're middle of the road. Outside of that he doesn't have really any red flags as a possible poor choice at DC. Then there's Joe Barry who had quite a few red flags, his stints with Detroit and Washington should've been heeded, and they weren't, and then people wonder why his defense was horrid for the Packers! I think Starr was hoping to set the record straight to prove that Lovat was a good hire and that his head coaching stint should be ignored. Is it still silly? Yes, is it understandable? Imo, also yes.
@@kylemarzion2814 True. 1978 was probably his best draft. He also drafted Rich Campbell and passed on Ronnie Lott. After Clark went to Canada he was scared another player would do that so he took a guy he knew would come to GB. Terrible trades and terrible drafts. 81-83 drafts were awful
@@timothykoenig3174 He got John Anderson in the second round that year too. The Clark draft. He told everyone he wasn't going to play in green bay. They drafted him any way. Scouts were screaming for him to draft Montana. I know one ended up walking out after they passed on him again in the 3rd. I think drafted Charles Johnson nose tackle. How about the mossy cade trade. Guys going to prison. They give San Diego a first and another pick.
@@kylemarzion2814 Yes just bad choices. Gave up so much for Jefferson. If they had just drafted a Cris Collinsworth they wouldn't have had to give so much for Jefferson who only played 4 years. I still tell people that was Starr's worst mistake. Changing from the 4-3 to the 3-4. Butler and Johnson weren't made for the 3-4. Clark said he didn't want to play nose tackle...took him anyway. If they had stayed 4-3 he would have come. Cumby was another strange pick...1st round for a 215 pound linebacker...an inside linebacker. Then wonder why they never had a good defense.
How many times did jg9 say that Tom lovat was 5 and 28 at Utah? A lot! Bart Starr was a good quarterback at Green Bay-not so great as a head coach and general manager-ai although he drafted lofton! 😮😮😮😮
Well, the Packers hired Lovat to be an assistant offensive line coach, not as a head coach. It was embarrassing to bring up his past failure in that article and the reporter should have exercised better judgement. I wouldn't call Starr a "moron" for being upset about the Packers organization getting embarrassed like that.
Is there a story behind your wall of helmets? I know there has to be. I can see having one or two for every team and several for your Jags, but you got like 20+ for each team man! And theyre not rhe little mini helmets, but real or close to real, full size helmets! I can only assume you got em cheap on ebay or at little mom and pop yard sales.
I believe at his post-firing press conference, Starr said, and I'm paraphrasing, that he met all his objectives. And, I'm thinking, you never made the playoffs, yet you made all your objectives! Please correct me if I'm mixing up fired head coaches.
Great players rarely make great coaches. The only one I can think of that was great at both was Larry Bird (basketball I know). And he didn’t coach very long.
Starr wasn't a good HC but as a NFL QB he was pretty awesome. He carried the GB offense from 1965 - 1967, as the once great Packer running game was very average by those years. And Starr wasn't exactly throwing to Alworth and Warfield either. He did have a great O-line however.
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Really like this channel. The content is different, as in "better" and far more interesting than the content on most sports channels..
Thanks! Really appreciate it
@@OfficialJaguarGator9 You earned it.
Yes, I agree. He covers topics that no one else does. Maybe obscure information, but very interesting.
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If there's one thing i learned from this video it is that Tom Lovat went 5-28 as a head coach at Utah
As a head coach, Starr was one hell of a quarterback.
What was the new guy's record at Utah? Was it mentioned?
@@BillMorganChannelI'm an alumnus of ASU, which was in the WAC during the years mentioned. Utah was pretty uniformly terrible at football in the 1970s. Their basketball program was great, but they were terrible at footbal. Lovat's record of 5-28 was probably right in line with Utah's coaches both before and after.
@@stuartdollar9912 My sister went to ASU in the late 70's. Is Tempe hotter now that it was then? I recall they were alarmed the temperature hit 100 F back then.
@@stuartdollar9912 Actually...it wasn't. Bill Meek won 7 games the season before Lovat took over, two more wins than Lovat had in his three seasons combined. Then two seasons after Lovat, Wayne Howard won 8 games. Meek and Howard did have a 3-win season but that was their worst and equaled Lovat's best. So he really did stand out for all the wrong reasons.
@@BillMorganChannel According to one particular group everywhere on the planet is hotter now.
Incidentally, Tom Lovat went 5-28 in three seasons at Utah and he got fired
Where did you hear that?
I thought he went 15-18 for some reason, didn't get the message.
Really? The video was pretty unclear about it.
@@derekbrown2215 you need to read between the lines, so to speak.
@@danielhresko4900 Right gotcha! 😉
I love how all your Bart Starr HC videos start exactly the same: “one of the greatest QBs of all time but one of the worst HC’s ever especially with the long leash he had!”
I'm too young to remember Starr's QB career. Boy, do I remember Starr's head coaching career. If he wasn't a legendary player for Green Bay, he would have lasted no more than three seasons as a coach.
@@stuartdollar9912 I don't remember either. It seems like people drudging up his failures is just justifying how the Packers are a bad franchise filled with bad players and bad people.
And Bart’s IQ was 145
Nice guy.
Maybe in top 50 or 60 qbs. Great talented team. Great coach. Great running game. Humble.
@@paulpolichio6514Really going out on a limb saying Bart Starr is a top 50-60 quarterback of all time lol
Tom Lovat went 5-28 as head coach at Utah. Got it.
I don't think JG9 mentioned this in the video, but Tom Lovat went 5-28 as Head Coach at Utah.
Really? I thought it was 5-28.
How dare you, sir?
Just because you can bake a cake doesn't mean you can run a bakery. There's nothing like the blinding lights of nostalgia to get people off base.
If you run a bakery, it doesn’t make you a good quarterback either if u know what I mean
Although I was 4 yrs old and still living in England and didn’t know anything about football. I too remember that he went 5-28 coaching for Utah.
Crazily enough, Bart Starr was the best coach the Packers ever had in the post-Lombardi but pre-Holmgren era.
Ugh. As a Packers fan since age 5 in 1966, thanks for bringing that up. 😐
No wonder they were so awful until the early '90s. I grew up in the '80s and I saw no evidence of the Pack's past glory when I started watching the NFL in the middle of that decade.
They was so so with Greg Forest and Don Magic Majkowski Tim Harris Sterling Sharpe James lofton
@@zztv15 Lynn dickey was a good QB for a couple years, but he always seemed to need to put up 40 to win.
@@DemonKingBadgerLynn Dickey was the man!! Also had John Jefferson and James Lofton
Who were the morons running the Packers back then who thought Bart Starr and Dan Devine would make good NFL head coaches?
And another dumb decision Bart did was in Week 16 of 1983 against the Bears. Bears were in the Red Zone with 1 minute/17 seconds left and the Packers had all 3 timeouts. Bart Starr didn't use any of them, and the Bears kicked a go ahead field goal with 10 seconds left. Packers fumbled the kickoff and lost 23-21, finishing at 8-8. Had the Packers won, they would've gotten the 2nd Wild Card spot over the Rams (Packers owned the tie breaker with a H2H win).
Its just so hard for to badmouth Bart. I just respect him so much. Gm bad. Coach. Not very good. Probably kept him to long ido admit. If today someone asked the number 1 packer jersey of all time. 15# He did draft Lofton. Lol.
@kylemarzion2814 In addition to James Lofton, the Packers also got linebacker John Jefferson (a dozen years and on the all 80s NFL team) in the 1978 draft. Plus, they picked up the future 3 time pro bowler TE Paul Coffman as an undrafted free agent. So the old metaphor "a broken clock is still right twice" makes sense here.
Now that 1982 Packers team, if division standings counted; they would've won the NFC Central.
@@Jason_MaierJohn Jefferson was actually a wide receiver who was acquired by trade from the Chargers.
Starr was fired after this game now I see why stupidity.
@@tobyresch4189 I think he means John Anderson
Bart Starr would have won a lot more games as head coach if he would've ordered his QB to spike the ball on every down.
They'd have won even more if the QB had spiked Bart Starr on every down.
This video could be improved with some references to Tom Lovat's head coaching record at Utah.
He had a .152 winning percentage at Utah.
@@Bruce12867did you know that in a sample of 33 games tom lovat won 1 more than 4 games at Utah?
I'm sorry...what was Tom Lovat's head coaching record and where did he coach at again?
JG9 only mentioned it approximately 39.6 times.
Tom Lovat may have been 5-28 as the head coach of Utah, but nothing beats 1-31 through 2 seasons (Hue Jackson)
How _DARE_ you mention Bart Starr's losing record as a head coach!
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Tom Lovat went 5-28, huh...
Getting on that reporter's case by calling his house phone is wild. What the hell was that reporter supposed to do? Tom Lovat's 5-28 record as Utah's head coach wasn't something that someone in the WAC made up to make him look bad. Maybe we should've called the Streisand effect the Starr effect given that Starr pulled this stunt 23 years earlier! 😁
Title: "Bart Starr was a moron"
Me: "Hey now, mister..."
Guys, I dunno if JG9 made it clear. Did Tom Lovat go 5-28 at Utah? You know, it was really unclear.
What was Lovat's HC record at Utah? Please somebody fill me in!
Now I'm dying to know who this mediocre head coach was that almost got our guy JG9 fired.
I might have missed it, but did JG9 ever mention Tom Lovat's record as the coach of Utah?
Might have been 5-28 but I'm not sure.
Man, coaching can bring out the worst in people, even at youth level.
A couple years ago I was the film coach at my former high school (at the time this was a handful of years after I graduated) and a buddy of mine was the JV O-line coach. The morning of an away game, I was at work and during a break I discovered that the town we were playing in had a new KFC nearby, so I texted him and some other freshmen/JV coach buddies that I’d be willing to get some food for us after the game if they wanted. He said he didn’t want anything (as well as the other guys), so I just forgot about it.
That night he was in a bad mood but I thought nothing of it. But from the next night at the varsity game through following week’s practices and subsequent freshmen/JV games I noticed he was suddenly cold and avoidant towards me. It concerned me because even though we’re basically coworkers, we’re also friends and I want my friends to be in good mental shape, so when we were setting up for the upcoming varsity game I asked him if something was wrong. He replied “KFC?! ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?! FUCKING KFC?! Don’t EVER come to me with that shit again!!” and stormed away, completely ignoring me for the rest of the season, even in person.
I was dumbfounded and really pissed about it, even now I’m still a little irritated remembering it. Like how do you get so mad at an offer for free food? I tried to rationalize it, he was losing weight at the time, but that still doesn’t warrant blowing up at me. I never made fun of his weight or harassed him for not wanting any food, I just asked him and he said no so I dropped the subject. What a ridiculous way to ruin a friendship.
I am dumbfounded that anyone would get mad at being asked if they were hungry. Wtf? Lol
So wait, what was Tom Lovat’s record at Utah?
Should've had a drinking gameon this one.
I didn’t want everyone to die
You shouldn't call Bart Starr a moron. No matter what
He apparently had a whip to motivate black players? Yes, he is indeed a moron. and even worse......
No respect for the dead
@@patrickgrove3469 He was clearly a racist. Why would he deserve respect? The world is a better place without him
Yeah……what the actual…..
There’s a book about the Civil War titled Gods and Generals. I think about that title a lot when thinking about football head coaches.
We live in a world where everybody has an opinion……especially against the dead……
I recently bought a stack of old Football Digest magazines from the years 1978, 1979, and 1980 and found out what a terrible coach Starr was. But I didn't know about his anger management issues or his use of a whip. Great Quarterback but what an idiot.
Back when the media reported the truth, I miss those days.
IKR? Modern media hates the truth ten times worse than Starr ever did.
I'm a packer fan. And when I was like 11 years old I was playing in a baseball tourney in a wisconsin town. Bart was staying at the same hotel my team was. Most of the team went to meet him and get his autograph in his room. I didn't go thinking it would be kinda "rude" to intrude. Everyone came back saying he was awesome and gave him autographs. I regret not going myself. So anyways I like the guy and...
I object to your title. It's rude. Something akin to bart starr was a terrible head coach or something that doesn't paint his entire intellect poorly would be better.
I said in the comment section that there would be Packers fans who would be upset at the video title without any context.
Didn’t take too long to find the first comment about it.
@@johnnyroberts3761 It's a bad title. And it's disappointing he is deciding to stick with it.
I'm not even a Packers fan and I thought it was uncalled for. But that's modern life for you. Everything's got to be all clickbaity now.
I lived just a few miles from Bart for years in Hoover, AL and he was like royalty around here, loved and respected by everyone. He was known to turn down autographs when asked, instead asking for your home address. A week or ten days later a signed NFL football arrived at your home. How's that?
I am thinking Bart Starr had a lowkey drinking problem. Calling that reporter at home after hours about that story sounds like something someone would do while half drunk.
He was zooted off of greenies and pain meds too
…allegedly
Saying Tom Lovat record at Utah a lot of times is so funny!!!!!!😂😂😂😂😂
If I drink anytime he says “Tom Lovat went 5-28.” I would be pretty drunk right now.
So let me get this straight... Tom Lovat went 5-28 as head coach at Utah?
Why are there not more "thumbs down" on this video? No one should call B. Starr a "moron", regardless of his coaching. The person who hired him as a head coach, and then kept him as a head coach, was the moron.
Another example of hall of fame player who didnt pan out as head coach. Bart Starr Mike Singletary and Norm Van Brocklin for football, Ted Williams as a baseball example, Gretzky hc tenure with the coyotes was bad and Isiah Thomas (Pistons hof not former Celtics player in late 2010s) not only was bad hc but awful GM.
Same with Magic and MJ
One of the reasons I love this channel is the tell it like is style that you have and Bart Starr was really bad as a head coach with this and the whip incident and to this day why the Packers let this man coach for eight years when they ran a better coach Dan Devine out for only three years.
It would have been a non-story if Bart Star hadn't raised such a stink about it.
Hey Bart Starr. I know you've passed away and all, but are you aware you hired as an assistant, Tom Lovat who went 5-28 as the head coach at the University of Utah?
I could have severe dementia in 30 years but will still remember Tom Lovat went 5-28 at Utah.
No head coaches' egos were harmed during the making of this video
The crazy thing was Bart Starr was the ONLY coach to win a playoff game before the Holmgren era. Yeah the Devine 1972 playoffs was the other postseason, but other than that the Packers were just a mediocre team. The Packers had great offensive talent in Lynn Dickey, James Lofton, Eddie Lee Ivory. It was also the Packers just had a terrible terrible defense.
"A whip to motivate the black players" What in the fuckk????
He was from Alabama. 😉
@@derekbrown2215 Yaaaa that about explains a lot. Inbreeding will do crazy things to peoples minds
If Starr had came to the practice with one of those red hats the rock group Devo wore and sang the song Whip It by Devo which was popular the same year this episode occurred in 1980 then Starr would have seemed hip and funny but Starr does not seem to be a Devo fan.
@@darrellmayberry7784 😆
@@darrellmayberry7784 🤣🤣Its the only thing that could make it ok
I believe that Tom Lovat went five and 28 as the head coach of Utah...
In Starr's defense as a coach, the Packers front office declined throughout the 1970's. He didn't have many good players to work with until the early 80's. He did put together an outstanding offense from about 82-84.
This headline without any context is going to piss off a lot of Packers fans.
My dad was boyhood friends with Bart Starr. Dad said he taught Bart how to throw a football. I'm not kidding
😂😂😂 and you believe him?????
Is your dad Tom Lovat?
Yes, but your dad didn't go 5-28 at Utah.
I don't know if y'all know, but Tom Lovat went 5-28 as coach at Utah.
It was certainly a surprise afterr watching all those NFL Films and Favre being in his prime growing up when you learn more about NFL history and find out that they were absolute dreck from 68-92
Everytime theres a Coach Starr video it keeps reminding me of the time Creed Braton ran Dunder Mifflin briefly
Dude the "comments by members" section here is hilarious. It feels like it's a bunch of the youtuber's friends mocking him for phrases he repeats a lot. I love this channel, but I also love how he's got these go to phrases that his audience has picked up on.
What was Tom Lovat’s record at Utah ??? 🤔🤔 I didn’t catch that 😳
"Bart Starr Was a Moron"
Huh, and to think that he always spoke highly of you.
Utah fan here. Even though Lovat’s stint with the Utes was before my time, I *wish* we could forget that he went 5-28.
A Utah fan? Hmmm never knew they existed
Bart just wasn't a Starr as a coach.
Look up Starr's years-long feud with Milwaukee writer Dave Begel.
When Starr was stripped of his GM duties and held a presser, he saw Begel in and ordered 'Get that ass out of here...'
He also went off on long-time Milwaukee sports writer Bud Lea after a loss to Tampa Bay in 1979. Lea asked Starr if he suggested benching David Whitehurst for Lynn Dickey. Said that he felt Dickey had better 'comeback ability'.
Starr shot back saying he resents Lea's take on Whitehurst and added 'In fact I resent the hell out of it'
Next question from another reporter - 'You are 1-2 now...'
Starr interrupts and explodes on Lea - WHAT THE HELL DO YOU KNOW ABOUT COMEBACK ABILITY...'
OH, and Lynn Dickey, his leg broke in two places on last play of the game in 1977 with his team losing 24-6.
And in his last game in 1983 against the Bears with a playoff spot on the line, he let the clock run down before Bob Thomas kicked winning field goal, Starr had at least one (if not two time outs in his pocket. When asked about it post-game Starr snapped 'That's our business'.
For you yunguns, JG9 isn't exaggerating about Starr as a QB. For all his flaws as a coach, at least you can say his players would go to battle for him
What about the whip to motivate black players? Is that true or not? Because I doubt a black man would go to battle for him
@@mitchbrown6652 Against a fact, there is no argument. If you weren't there, read about it. I'll wait for you to provide a list of the athletes who demanded a trade from Green Bay while he was there. In the smallest market and coldest climate (other than Minnesota) in the NFL. That changed when Forrest Gregg became coach. Explain this to his players who went through walls for him.
@@classicrockbeagle So is this a fact? The whip thing? From 1975-1983... If it is a fact how in tf do you believe that ALL of his players went through walls....for HIM. Not for the love of the game, Not for self respect in playing hard, not the pay check. But for him. Clearly a small and racist POS....But you really believe that they were playing for him? Be honest. I really am curious. Is that what you really think?
Around seven months later, assistant coach Fred Von Appen resigned after an incident involving a player eating a hot dog on the sidelines during the last preseason game.
Appreciate the chanel- you bring up interesting slices of nfl history that havent been publicized - good stuff as a lifelong NFL fan
Edit - like the content, not cresy bout the tittle - im not a fan of kicking more dirt on a mans grave ( unless he was a violent homicidal dictator and/or criminal) but ill look beyond the tittle & once again appreciate the little known coaching history w/ BS
Actually, the Green Bay Sweep made the Packers in the 60's
That defense wasn't bad, either.
You keep failing to really bring out why Bart Starr got angry with the writer. Its BECAUSE he said the coach WAS FIRED AFTER 3 YEARS. IT WAS A TASTELESS COMMENT! That's the real reason, NOT that the coach went 5 - 28... its the fact that the writer had to mention the coach was FIRED.
He should have printed the press release verbatim. If he wanted to write a separate story, fine, but punching up the release in the way he did, made it appear that the packers included his coaching record. Clearly, they did not want to do that. Also, Starr's relationship with Judge Paris was rocky, at best. Parins was a hateful clown that set the team back for years (Mike Butler anyone?). Thankfully, Bob Harlan changed all that.
Yall forget that Starr inherited a completely bare shelf due to Forrest Gregg trading several good draft picks to get John Hadl as QB. The man had literally less than nothing to work with.
Idk if you guys knew this, but Tom Lovat had 5 wins and 28 losses from 1974 to 1976 as head coach of the Utah Uties 😂😂😂
“That Guy Alert”: In your video about the bull whip incident you said Starr brought it out for a different reason, a reason related to this video. You pointed out in the video all the ways Starr was not a racist.
Yep. Starr had no racist intent there whatsoever, but the optics of it looked horrendous
@@OfficialJaguarGator9As a Blackman I ? That one!! Buddy!!
Tom Lovat rocked
A joke from elementary school when he was coach for the Packers.
What happened when Bart Starr unzipped his pants?
Lynn Dickey popped out
That is the only Packers joke I have ever heard
Facts are facts. Tom Lovat has 5 more wins as a collegiate head coach than I do.
Can’t live without racism can you?
In fairness, you surely know that you can slant stories with the right cherry-picked "true" facts and omissions. Countless things are true. Only a few facts end up in articles. My guess (since we didn't get Starr's side of the story) is that he thought the announcement about his new hire wasn't the time to paint the guy as a loser at a different job, and that the reporter was taking a snarky shot. I'm not saying he's right. From what I heard I tend to agree with you that Starr overreacted and acted stupidly, as did the coach at y'all's opponents' school. But the extreme emphasis on the fact being true seems like a straw man. Obviously these men weren't denying the public records' accuracy. The question apparently is whether that fact was appropriate for the occasion.
Who cares if he went 5-28 at Utah??
Bart Starr made Lynn dickey decent but the Packers roster was awful due to bad drafting so that part is not on Starr
What was Tom Lovat's record at Utah? Lol
I can understand why Starr was upset, it's still silly, but mentioning an abysmal record of a coach's history can be seen as a red flag by readers and thus can be misconstrued as a smear, even if it's 100% the reporter's job to mention, and no the report on the paper was not unprofessional by any means, it was by the books normal as you OP said. Starr wanted his coach to look good as possible, what person wouldn't want their hire to look good? I'm surprised McCarthy didn't get mad at reporters mentioning Dom Caper's dubious coaching history and numerous red flags before the Packers hired him (and kept him at DC WAY too long!), Capers was HC of the Panthers and Texans with only 1 winning season iirc between the 2, and was a 1 year DC for the Miami Dolphins the year of which they went 1-15. Mike Pettine was a HC for 2 years for the Browns in which his 2nd year was awful (it's the Browns, no HoF coach can get that team to be good!), but outside of that, his stints as DC or DB coach were fantastic! But people kept pointing at his 2 year stint with the Browns as a red flag.
It's the same thing with Jeff Hafley right now, dude was HC of Boston College for 3 years and has a losing record, is that a red flag? I don't think so, it's BC they're middle of the road. Outside of that he doesn't have really any red flags as a possible poor choice at DC.
Then there's Joe Barry who had quite a few red flags, his stints with Detroit and Washington should've been heeded, and they weren't, and then people wonder why his defense was horrid for the Packers!
I think Starr was hoping to set the record straight to prove that Lovat was a good hire and that his head coaching stint should be ignored. Is it still silly? Yes, is it understandable? Imo, also yes.
Tell us how you really feel
He was also one of the worst GM's ever. Terrible drafts and trades
He did draft. Lofton. 😊
@@kylemarzion2814 True. 1978 was probably his best draft. He also drafted Rich Campbell and passed on Ronnie Lott. After Clark went to Canada he was scared another player would do that so he took a guy he knew would come to GB. Terrible trades and terrible drafts. 81-83 drafts were awful
@@timothykoenig3174 He got John Anderson in the second round that year too. The Clark draft. He told everyone he wasn't going to play in green bay. They drafted him any way. Scouts were screaming for him to draft Montana. I know one ended up walking out after they passed on him again in the 3rd. I think drafted Charles Johnson nose tackle. How about the mossy cade trade. Guys going to prison. They give San Diego a first and another pick.
@@kylemarzion2814 Yes just bad choices. Gave up so much for Jefferson. If they had just drafted a Cris Collinsworth they wouldn't have had to give so much for Jefferson who only played 4 years. I still tell people that was Starr's worst mistake. Changing from the 4-3 to the 3-4. Butler and Johnson weren't made for the 3-4. Clark said he didn't want to play nose tackle...took him anyway. If they had stayed 4-3 he would have come. Cumby was another strange pick...1st round for a 215 pound linebacker...an inside linebacker. Then wonder why they never had a good defense.
How many times did jg9 say that Tom lovat was 5 and 28 at Utah? A lot! Bart Starr was a good quarterback at Green Bay-not so great as a head coach and general manager-ai although he drafted lofton! 😮😮😮😮
About 39.6 times.
Most all pro players/hof football players suck at coaching
Bart Starr was one of them
As a DolFan, I wish one of my team's coaches this century would suck so badly they won a playoff game...
Nothing good EVER comes from involving Bill Curry.
I wonder what Lombardi would have thought of Starr the coach.
The Packers have had some crazy luck with their quarterbacks.
And too many of the fans want to call it all skill. But you are correct... they have had lots of luck too.
I'm sorry, i missed Lovat's record at Utah.
Well, the Packers hired Lovat to be an assistant offensive line coach, not as a head coach. It was embarrassing to bring up his past failure in that article and the reporter should have exercised better judgement. I wouldn't call Starr a "moron" for being upset about the Packers organization getting embarrassed like that.
Seems to be a correlation between former Green Bay QB's and being a moron.
Is that also a reference to Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers?
I'm probably in the minority here but the more you mentioned Tom Lovat's Utah record, the funnier it got.
Bart Starr was a lot different person without Lombardi as his guide.
Bart was one of the coaches of all time.
This is normally a good channel. However there is no need to call the man an idiot and a moron! Try to have a little class!
Is there a story behind your wall of helmets? I know there has to be. I can see having one or two for every team and several for your Jags, but you got like 20+ for each team man! And theyre not rhe little mini helmets, but real or close to real, full size helmets! I can only assume you got em cheap on ebay or at little mom and pop yard sales.
I believe at his post-firing press conference, Starr said, and I'm paraphrasing, that he met all his objectives. And, I'm thinking, you never made the playoffs, yet you made all your objectives! Please correct me if I'm mixing up fired head coaches.
Great players rarely make great coaches. The only one I can think of that was great at both was Larry Bird (basketball I know). And he didn’t coach very long.
Jerry West did okay
Do you hate the Green Bay Packers organization, or only the players that've played for them?
He was a GREAT QB but wasn't that good of a head coach
So are you a Packers fan or Jaguars fan??
Jaguars
If you’re wondering about the helmets in the background… I have those for every team and swap them out based on the video subject
@@OfficialJaguarGator9so for the bears you use a Chicago helmet? Cool very creative ❤
Yep! Got a ton of Bears helmets that we use for those vids and anytime I’m working a Bears game live on stream
LMAO 5-28 LMAO😂
Starr wasn't a good HC but as a NFL QB he was pretty awesome. He carried the GB offense from 1965 - 1967, as the once great Packer running game was very average by those years. And Starr wasn't exactly throwing to Alworth and Warfield either. He did have a great O-line however.
The Lombardi Green Bay offense was basically a high school offense
@@patotmaster7747 Maybe, but no one could stop it.
To be fair, please change the title of this segment to "Official JaguarGator9 is a Moron."
I love 3:09 ... there are 3 Packer receivers next to each other!
I lost brain cells watching this video. Luckily i didn't finish watching it.
When I was a little kid it was a given that gb, both ny teams, det,kc, no, were going to suck every year