This tour at the Spectrum in November of 1983 was an epiphany for me. Born Again remains not only my favorite Black Sabbath album, but my my favorite album of all time these past 40 years.
My buddy was at that show and said it was great. Smoke On the Water took him by surprise - pre internet when you went to shows not knowing what you’d hear
I was at the Spectrum show as well. Quiet Riot opened. Loved it. Born Again is on the back of my jean vest. Ranked #3 in my Sabbath albums after #1 Mob Rules and #2 Paranoid
I wish this lineup stayed together for at least one more album, I really like Born Again and I have a couple of boots and Ian Gillan takes on old Sabbath classics works for me.
It actually just dawned on me today, cause I never really thought about it until watching this back - but I think Gillan was the best all around singer they’ve ever had. He did Ozzy’s stuff justice, sounds good doing Dio’s stuff, and delivers on Born Again like neither of them ever could. I only like about half of Dio’s versions of Ozzy stuff.
@@classicrockmetalreview8523 I like Dio's take on Ozzy Sab. Although a tiny bit nonchalant speediness can be detected by Ronnie to get to his stuff. But then again in Elf/Elves he had been covering Sabbath in the clubs for a few years before joining Rainbow. I dont think Gillan's lyrical sensibilities could sustain another Sabbath lp convincingly. He always had a flare for the absurd which admittedly him in Sab was but absurd in the greatest possible way...once. The Sab " box" would've limited him too much. Besides Purple finally came back Knocking on his Back Door. All that said Born Again ( sludgy sediment from the bottom of the sea mix and all ) is top three Sabbath for me.
I saw this show in Detroit on November 11th, 1983. I guess I was fortunate enough to have seen the little Devil Baby running around on top of Stonehenge and then jumping off. I can also confirm that the place was going nuts!!! Quit Riot was the opening band. Good times and EPIC SHOW!!! \m/ \m/
@classicrockmetalreview8523 my mom saved EVERYTHING, I still got my cassettes, and OLD Tapestries. She saved my Tonka trucks and bb cards. 😂 I was lucky. All my concert shirts 👕 disgingrated from my youth, I wore em to shreds
Dude you say "these are just popular tales I' m telling", but you're my backup for these people that don't believe me. Your reviews kick ass. Happy to be a subscriber. Feels like I'm hangin out with a buddy.
Thank you sir! Funny you say that because likewise I only personally know 1 or 2 like-minded people but seem to have found 600 more. Lots of cool stuff coming up ASAP.
Awesome! Born Again is my favorite Black Sabbath album. Love the demos as well as all live boots from that era of the band. Heard Iommi found the Born Again master tapes a couple years back. I love the album the way it is but would also love to hear a remix.
@@classicrockmetalreview8523 Personally I have the album in it's original format but I hope if a remix is ever released, the original mix is still available to fans. I say this because I hate what Dave Mustaine did with the Megadeth remixes. Last time I checked you can only buy the remix versions new and the original releases are no longer available. To the casual fan it may not matter but to die hard fans it does imo.
I like this album …. I have deluxe and I have demo album too ….so bad Ian Gillian not sing again on another sabbath’s album …. Thanks bill great day ….cheers 😊😊😊
@@classicrockmetalreview8523 That'd be awesome. I've heard that Warner Bros taped the entire Montreal show that footage from was used in the music videos for Trashed and Zero The Hero. Would be AMAZING if the full pro shot Montreal show was included in that hypothetical box set.
@@classicrockmetalreview8523 That'd be awesome. I've heard that Warner Bros taped the entire Montreal show that footage from was used in the music videos for Trashed and Zero The Hero. Would be AMAZING if the full pro shot Montreal was included in that hypothetical box set.
@@classicrockmetalreview8523 That'd be awesome. I've heard that Warner Bros taped the entire Montreal show that footage from was used in the music videos for Trashed and Zero The Hero. Would be AMAZING if the full pro shot Montreal was included in that hypothetical box set.
Forgive me for the number of my comments. TH-cam keeps deleting my comments even though they are respectful comments that are in no way out of line. So I repost my comments not knowing if they'll show up or not.
It’s great to see that album & era get the love I always felt for it. I was in 8th-grade & in my Sabbath phase in 1983, and bought Born Again the day it came-out with some babysitting-money 😂 I had tickets to see them that fall with Quiet Riot opening, but I got a C in math and had to sell-them as part of my grounding. I still hate math.
Oh! Man tough penalty! I missed this tour but a friend who saw it said it was great! His favorite part was Smoke On the Water. Maybe we’ll get that remaster some day since they found the master tapes! Thanks!
I saw thiis tour..they opened with Children of the Grave if I recall correctly. It was a good show and loud as hell. I saw the previous Mob Rules tour with Dio which was amazing. I love this album and I hope the remix it!
I absolutely love the level of detail you present here. This was my first Sabbath purchase(unless you count Speak of the Devil, I was a pretty confused 11yo wondering where the hell was crazy train, and why is this Ozzy dude singing iron man, I had some catching up to do ). I've always loved this album. Ian sounds perfect with Tony(everyone sounds their best singing along Lord Iommi). I love Perfect Strangers, but I definitely would have loved more music from this lineup. The Who Cares release is nice, but minimal new music is on it. Anyways, this review is A+, I definitely have to look into more of your videos. I hope you don't mind I shared it to my pals in my Twitter .
Wow thanks man! I’m mostly creating content I can’t find myself, and it seems others can’t either. It’s a blast hearing from so many enjoying it. Things should only get better as I get more organized. So far I’ve just been riffing with no prep
Thank you for this incredibly excellent presentation.I absolutely love Born Again.....I always felt that the so called " muddy " mix added to the album's dark evil gloom and doom Sabbath overtone.....cleaning it up only detracts from that....in my estimation Disturbing the Priest and Zero the Hero are anthems....2 of my favorite Sabbath tracks...although it's pretty obvious that Gillan rehashed the verse section of Priest from the title track of his 1977 Scarabus album th-cam.com/video/ptYn3M_u_m0/w-d-xo.html
@@classicrockmetalreview8523 Well...I'm not an expert....his solo phase was pretty big overseas but not here.....it's been years....but I know his 70's material was kind of a progressive....Uriah Heep type thing but in the 80's he definitely got heavier....
@@classicrockmetalreview8523 yes...that metal compilation album that had Gillan Unchain Your Brain was Live and Heavy on nems ( vinyl ) 1981.....great album cover....
Cool vids man! I was at the Wista mass show! It was cool to see Ian in Sabbath one of my fav vocalist! But I remember he struggled alot but was a Great show!
Musta been great no doubt! Most singers struggle some live, which is why I don’t like most live albums being fixed in the studio. Imperfect vocals are part of the show to me. That’s what makes it an in the flesh event.
Man great video!!! glad I stumbled across your channel! I'm a huge fan of Sabbath and the born again album and man you know your stuff!!! enjoyed and subbed!!!
Saw the tour 11/08/83, at the coliseum in New Haven, CT. Fastway and Quiet Riot opened up for them. At the time I didn’t didn’t know Bill Ward wasn’t on the tour so I was disappointed.
The BEST ever..🤟 was 15 when this came out. Great times to be alive. 😎 I have the deluxe edition. Not fond of the live show..better live shows can be found on TH-cam.. love the extended version of Stonehenge.
Me too. I actually made my own version of BA with long Stonehenge first into Disturbing the Priest, using some Manor Tape versions where they’re better, omitting Keep It Warm, using The Fallen, ending with the title track. Should put it up as a playlist. And I agree Reading is too keyboard heavy.
@@classicrockmetalreview8523 From what i remember it was a cool show .. Not the same as having Dio or Ozzy but looking back now it was a one time tour so that is something.. They sounded really heavy and it was a fun night...
The Reading Festival show on the remastered CD came from a Friday Rock Show broadcast-the FRS did up to 8 gigs from the Reading festival each year, but seemed not to keep the tapes beyond what was authorised for the broadcast. Broadcasts were repeated.
This album frightened me. Which gave way to intrigue and finally absolute fandom. It’s good when an Artist gets a reaction. Born again and disturbing the priest are gospel blackened metal, which is a sub genre that only this sabbath line up with Gillian achieved. The soaring grand screaming choruses with blues elements are distinct from other forms of metal, and it’s perfect.
Don Arden didn't take over in 70/71. He was looking to get Sabbath, and one of his employees, Patrick Meehan, made them a "better offer", and they went with him. Meehan ended up owning a lot of their rights and publishing, and the band sued him in 1974/5, ending up broke and in years of litigation with him. Arden took over circa 1977/78
I’d forgotten that NR opened up. I wonder if it was another Don Arden special: promoting Ozzy’s Ex-guitarist. He paid Ozzy’s graphic artist twice what Ozzy paid him to do the Born Again cover and inner sleeve art, which I forgot to mention.
The lineup would have possibly stayed together for several albums as a supergroup -- which was reportedly the initial plan. Asia had set a supergroup touring template (theatres to arenas) to build a fanbase and demand for tickets.......but it was like Ian Anderson with "A" -- when record company suits want the recognizable band name splashed on the album; artist plans get derailed pretty quick.
Trashed came from Ian crashing Bill's car on his first night at the studio, after having arrived from a hospital stay to combat his alcoholism. The car was brand new, and was meant to celebrate his new found sobriety. Ian took the car without asking, destroyed it, laughed about it, and never replaced it. This is why it wasn't played live or why Geezer and Tony don't like it.
Yeah a few months back he said the masters were just located. Finally at some point it will be a true remix. The Deluxe was just a remaster. should have mentioned that. I’ve been riffing so far off the top of my head but will start making notes so things should only improve.
Number one aim; I need to hear the ungodly high harmonies of Ian Gillan. Hopefully we can get some isolated tracks from the master! Ian was never better.
Ozzy was everything yes. But from 1981 to 1986 only. Then with No Rest for the Wicked album it went down. It was a 5 years time. By the mid 1980s there was too many great bands,albums that it was impossible to remain king.
I agree - I was a senior in high school for No Rest and saw that tour. Enjoyed it all at the time but it was like “ok this thing is pretty much over.” The next album was a surprise blockbuster for sure but he was basically spent. Getting rid of Jake, Daisley and Aldridge …. You can’t just discard those kind of jewels and hope you can sustain greatness. Zak Wild didn’t do it for me. Dufus.
@@classicrockmetalreview8523 Tony Martin era was an ABOMINATION, & the LEAST "Sabbath " of any era, l never forgave them for it, Dio , Gillan, Hughes & Ozzy of course were the only ones who could cut it in Sabbath, love Born Again, but turned my back on them when they hired Martin, they could have at least changed their name at least, lt was just not Sabbath with Martin.
@@mickblack2800 I didn’t hear it until maybe 2015 but actually like Seventh Star. Should have been a Tony solo album as planned. Hughes sounds good on it. They became followers of Metal not leaders in the Martin years to me. Some good tunes here and there tho.
@@classicrockmetalreview8523 Yeah Seventh Star is a great album and your right that they followed others, they were out in the Wilderness from Seventh Star & it wasn't until DIO came back for Dehumanizer that put them back at the forefront briefly anyway.
I wasn’t very into Dehumanizer back then be re-listened about a decade ago and now I like it. Didn’t like the concert much in ‘92, nor the Boston FM boot except for occasionally. I’ll review that sometime
@@shspurs1342 we all have favourites for one reason or another which is fine. Have you ever heard Gillan sing Freedom from the DP Fireball album? The third verse is outstanding.
@@classicrockmetalreview8523 wow I thought his voice was half gone by 85. Freedom is an out take that’s only available on the remastered Fireball CDs. Just displays how he can sing screaming instead of just screaming.
Luckily I caught them early, in February ‘85. Can’t speak to the entire tour, but I think it’s the Paris July video I have where maybe he was ill, dunno, but his voice is so spent that I’m surprised they decided to do the show.
Great channel.. New subscriber. I collect many Sabbath boots on CD. I've never seen that Black Sabbath Born Again Unmixed Demos ( Unmired Demos) on vinyl. I used to get my unofficial CDs on Discogs. They no longer allow unofficial releases. Where did you get that release on vinyl?! Thank you
@@classicrockmetalreview8523 I can't find it anywhere. Please could you reveal the record labels correct spelling? Year of release and any info that can help me find this title on vinyl ? I have a unofficial release of Black Sabbath The Peel Sessions on vinyl. Also Black Sabbath " The End" EP with 4 studio & 4 live tracks on vinyl. Thank you
@@blackquicksandmusic2365 sure, I mentioned it quickly it’s Way of Wizards who, come to think of it, used to release stuff pretty regularly but whom I haven’t heard much of anything from since I got this. Btw it’s a fake obi that’s part of the actual cover. WOW LP-117. Came in I wanna say 3 different colored vinyls denoted by a round sticker on front. Mine’s orange, 1 was purple I think, forget the other.
I’d probably go Mob Rules, Born Again, H&H as my 1-3. But that’s an interesting question, where does BA rank among those 3. Never thought about that. Hmm. Now you got me wondering
I maintain hope that "Born Again" will get the remastering it deserves, the "muddy" mix is just a fault at the remastering stage, and if they have found the original mastertape and if in good condition, there is no reason they can't fix the sound, hopefully not too much as the muddy sound adds to the charm of the album, but still like to mix Gillian's voice more upfront. It is such a unique album of superb quality and it is thankfully reappraised as the original reviews were just so misguided and biased. Easily one the greatest metal albums full stop.😢
Dumb question, but where can you buy these shows on cd? Like the Black Sabbath Captured Live '83? Ebay? I think that's where I used to buy them. But didn't ebay crack down on this?
Dude I just googled the CD title and the 5th site that came up has it. Pricey but the cheaper sites are sold out. It can be listened to for free, 3rd site that came up. Good luck!
Holy shit this is real insight into 1983 with Ozzy and Black Sabbath. Sharon had a miscarriage because she was attacked by dogs. Anyhow when I saw the Born Again album cover I thought immediately this is Black Sabbath. It was dark and I'd already heard Cannibal Corpse's cover of Zero The Hero years before owning this album.
I only learned about the dog attack recently but several sources reported it. People didn’t like the BA cover when it was released, I didn’t understand that. Now Dehumanizer, that one looks cheesy lol
Gillan was great in the 70s and early 80s, but has been a shadow of that for thirty years now. Dio was consistently incredible for decades. Only in his final few years of of performing (in his mid-60s) did he show any drop-off in vocal quality. I believe he was hands-down the best metal singer of all time.
@@vbassone - Halford is not as good as he ever was. I saw him in ‘78 and he seemed super-human. He can still give a good performance, but doesn’t leave me awestruck like he did back then, which is completely understandable at his current age. He knows how to pace his vocals and use his skills to the utmost. I think Dio was more consistent throughout his career.
Yeah Dio still had game in 07-08. Lost a little on the last tour but not much considering the stomach cancer. Dio doesn’t get enough credit for his range. His voice is so strong and kinda deep, you almost don’t realize how high he gets. Gillan had trouble doing H&H live, that’s how great his range was.
@@crusheverything4449 You might be right about Halford's skills dropping off in recent years but so did Dio's. It was absolutely noticeable that there was a drop in Dio's vocals live in the last few years of concert performances that I've watched so let's not pretend that there was never a drop off in Dio either!
@@classicrockmetalreview8523 Robert Plant had amazing range, Halford, young ian Gillan, Klaus Meine is a vastly underrated singer. he's great and still is!
This tour was about as Spinal Tap as you could get. We were 13 and 14 years old so we were green but Gillan playing bongos just rubbed us wrong. But very cool to relive that forgotten Era of sabbath!!!!!
I hate to admit it but it really was. The bongos def required a knowledge of Purple to appreciate. Even then, not very Sabbath. At least he chose probably the only sequence that made any sense, that drum breakdown in Supernaut.
Absolutely right. It was just an unfortunate bizarre chain of events. Sharon and father Don's falling out, the chaotic recording session, the Red Baby cover backlash, mishandled remastering of the album, the Stonehenge and dancing red devil baby debarcle, bad reviews, lack of promotion.....but the album stands the test of time, it is a s tone cold classic.
I wouldn't say Paris show is "muddled". In fact there's too much clarity. But yes it's not a good recording. Vocals are too forward and crisp. Ian is not a vocalist that benefits from hearing him too clearly. As he's always skated the border between awesome and cringe. Iommi is recorded well. But the drums sound insignificant. No heft to them. It's a typical soundboard recording in that it sounds thin and harsh. If you listen to it as if it were a badly recorded garage band, it's kinda good. As for the Massachusetts show, yep, that's good. I bought it on cassette in '92 at some record convention (i.e. bootleg show) in the basement of a Holiday Inn. Keep the videos coming. You really know your stuff. I like the Faces of Death shirt. I used to rent those on VHS in '80s I thought it was all real. That Western couple in Asia beating a monkey's head through a hole in a the dining table so they could eat fresh monkey brain disturbed me for years. I'm so glad it was all faked. Oh, and the Los Angeles cult that ate corpses. They showed that happening in that dark living room. I totally thought that was real. The odd thing is, I was freaked out, but I would watch it while eating dinner. I guess I have a strong stomach.
We’re like brothers of another mother as far as the Faces of Death and finding the MA show on tape early 90’s in a hotel basement record convention. I’m due to revisit Eurolines anyway.
Are you asking about Ozzy’s vocals being re-recorded? Absolutely. They’re perfect on the record, and nothing near perfect on the actual shows. Personally I prefer the real, actual flawed version
Tony no like boots except live at last I respect his wishes. It ain't the Dead it's Sabbath! Fuck these rip off artists. Also: you never mentioned The Fallen which despite the goofy bridge contains possibly the most impactful guitar solo Tony ever recorded. It's ABSOLUTELY insane and you don't even mention it? You want great but poorly recorded Sabbath? Try wicked world into sometimes I'm happy into the void on Live at Last. Heavy enuf to crush all competition and yes OZZY is the singer. OZZY!
Saw them in the Montreal Forum. Gillian couldn't pull off the Ozzy Sabbath songs so there were a lot of guitar solos and a long drum solo. Things got better at the end when they played Smoke On The Water. What a forgettable album and stupid artwork.
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This tour at the Spectrum in November of 1983 was an epiphany for me. Born Again remains not only my favorite Black Sabbath album, but my my favorite album of all time these past 40 years.
My buddy was at that show and said it was great. Smoke On the Water took him by surprise - pre internet when you went to shows not knowing what you’d hear
I was at the Spectrum show as well. Quiet Riot opened. Loved it. Born Again is on the back of my jean vest. Ranked #3 in my Sabbath albums after #1 Mob Rules and #2 Paranoid
@user-hz2gc6jl7f Ironically, born again, is painted on the back of my denim jacket too by my wife, several years ago
@@gglaw42 Nice!!!! Mine is a back patch!
I saw them in Providence, RI for this tour, and Quiet Riot opened! Awesome show.
I wish this lineup stayed together for at least one more album, I really like Born Again and I have a couple of boots and Ian Gillan takes on old Sabbath classics works for me.
It actually just dawned on me today, cause I never really thought about it until watching this back - but I think Gillan was the best all around singer they’ve ever had. He did Ozzy’s stuff justice, sounds good doing Dio’s stuff, and delivers on Born Again like neither of them ever could. I only like about half of Dio’s versions of Ozzy stuff.
As much as I’d have loved another album too it somehow seems right that there was only one.
Both Ian and Ray Gillen were fantastic live.
I saw them on this tour! It was my very first show. Absolutely amazing 🤘
@@classicrockmetalreview8523 I like Dio's take on Ozzy Sab. Although a tiny bit nonchalant speediness can be detected by Ronnie to get to his stuff. But then again in Elf/Elves he had been covering Sabbath in the clubs for a few years before joining Rainbow. I dont think Gillan's lyrical sensibilities could sustain another Sabbath lp convincingly. He always had a flare for the absurd which admittedly him in Sab was but absurd in the greatest possible way...once. The Sab " box" would've limited him too much. Besides Purple finally came back Knocking on his Back Door. All that said Born Again ( sludgy sediment from the bottom of the sea mix and all ) is top three Sabbath for me.
"Disturbing the Priest" is the heaviest, most diabolical, and sinister sounding Black Sabbath tune EVER.
Born again is in my top 5. Of most underrated albums of all time ever.
It’s been getting a lot of “on second thought” love the past decade or so, and rightly so. Loved it from day one, or at least when I got it in ‘84
@@classicrockmetalreview8523 Don Arden did not manage Black Sabbath until the late 70s
My favorite Iommi work.
This is so great! I know it’s a dream, but this lineup could make another album! 🙏🏼🤞🏼🤪🤘🏼
True. Why not?
@@classicrockmetalreview8523 - Because Gillan can’t sing anymore?
Thank you for making this video for the forgotten but awesome album
I saw this show in Detroit on November 11th, 1983. I guess I was fortunate enough to have seen the little Devil Baby running around on top of Stonehenge and then jumping off. I can also confirm that the place was going nuts!!! Quit Riot was the opening band. Good times and EPIC SHOW!!! \m/ \m/
Good stuff Jon!
I saw this show a week later in Chicago, yeah was epic. QR was strong too. I bought a teeshirt but my mom threw it away lol.
Prob a $250 shirt now haha. Mine threw away a few thousand baseball cards. Moms.
@classicrockmetalreview8523 my mom saved EVERYTHING, I still got my cassettes, and OLD Tapestries. She saved my Tonka trucks and bb cards. 😂 I was lucky. All my concert shirts 👕 disgingrated from my youth, I wore em to shreds
Dude you say "these are just popular tales I' m telling", but you're my backup for these people that don't believe me.
Your reviews kick ass. Happy to be a subscriber. Feels like I'm hangin out with a buddy.
Thank you sir! Funny you say that because likewise I only personally know 1 or 2 like-minded people but seem to have found 600 more. Lots of cool stuff coming up ASAP.
Awesome! Born Again is my favorite Black Sabbath album. Love the demos as well as all live boots from that era of the band. Heard Iommi found the Born Again master tapes a couple years back. I love the album the way it is but would also love to hear a remix.
Yes I’d like to hear it cleaned up myself. For those who like it as is, well that’s still available too.
@@classicrockmetalreview8523 Personally I have the album in it's original format but I hope if a remix is ever released, the original mix is still available to fans. I say this because I hate what Dave Mustaine did with the Megadeth remixes. Last time I checked you can only buy the remix versions new and the original releases are no longer available. To the casual fan it may not matter but to die hard fans it does imo.
I like this album …. I have deluxe and I have demo album too ….so bad Ian Gillian not sing again on another sabbath’s album …. Thanks bill great day ….cheers 😊😊😊
That was my first concert. Dead center of the floor seats.
The masters were lost for many years but recently those tapes have been tracked down, so Iommi is hoping to be able to finally remix the album.
Maybe we’ll get a 4 disc super deluxe with a remix and the Worcester show!
@@classicrockmetalreview8523 That'd be awesome. I've heard that Warner Bros taped the entire Montreal show that footage from was used in the music videos for Trashed and Zero The Hero. Would be AMAZING if the full pro shot Montreal show was included in that hypothetical box set.
@@classicrockmetalreview8523 That'd be awesome. I've heard that Warner Bros taped the entire Montreal show that footage from was used in the music videos for Trashed and Zero The Hero. Would be AMAZING if the full pro shot Montreal was included in that hypothetical box set.
@@classicrockmetalreview8523 That'd be awesome. I've heard that Warner Bros taped the entire Montreal show that footage from was used in the music videos for Trashed and Zero The Hero. Would be AMAZING if the full pro shot Montreal was included in that hypothetical box set.
Forgive me for the number of my comments. TH-cam keeps deleting my comments even though they are respectful comments that are in no way out of line. So I repost my comments not knowing if they'll show up or not.
It’s great to see that album & era get the love I always felt for it.
I was in 8th-grade & in my Sabbath phase in 1983, and bought Born Again the day it came-out with some babysitting-money 😂
I had tickets to see them that fall with Quiet Riot opening, but I got a C in math and had to sell-them as part of my grounding.
I still hate math.
Oh! Man tough penalty! I missed this tour but a friend who saw it said it was great! His favorite part was Smoke On the Water. Maybe we’ll get that remaster some day since they found the master tapes! Thanks!
I saw thiis tour..they opened with Children of the Grave if I recall correctly. It was a good show and loud as hell. I saw the previous Mob Rules tour with Dio which was amazing. I love this album and I hope the remix it!
Born Again!!! YEAH!!
I absolutely love the level of detail you present here. This was my first Sabbath purchase(unless you count Speak of the Devil, I was a pretty confused 11yo wondering where the hell was crazy train, and why is this Ozzy dude singing iron man, I had some catching up to do ).
I've always loved this album. Ian sounds perfect with Tony(everyone sounds their best singing along Lord Iommi). I love Perfect Strangers, but I definitely would have loved more music from this lineup. The Who Cares release is nice, but minimal new music is on it.
Anyways, this review is A+, I definitely have to look into more of your videos. I hope you don't mind I shared it to my pals in my Twitter .
Wow thanks man! I’m mostly creating content I can’t find myself, and it seems others can’t either. It’s a blast hearing from so many enjoying it. Things should only get better as I get more organized. So far I’ve just been riffing with no prep
My first concert..14.. ♥️
Still have the cassette and it sounds great
Thank you for this incredibly excellent presentation.I absolutely love Born Again.....I always felt that the so called " muddy " mix added to the album's dark evil gloom and doom Sabbath overtone.....cleaning it up only detracts from that....in my estimation Disturbing the Priest and Zero the Hero are anthems....2 of my favorite Sabbath tracks...although it's pretty obvious that Gillan rehashed the verse section of Priest from the title track of his 1977 Scarabus album
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Thanks Larry! Yes very similar. Never heard that tune. What’s a good place to start with Gillan solo?
@@classicrockmetalreview8523 Well...I'm not an expert....his solo phase was pretty big overseas but not here.....it's been years....but I know his 70's material was kind of a progressive....Uriah Heep type thing but in the 80's he definitely got heavier....
I remember hearing What’s the Matter on Metal Shop around 82 and digging that.
@@classicrockmetalreview8523 Unchain Your Brain was on compilation album I had back then....
@@classicrockmetalreview8523 yes...that metal compilation album that had Gillan Unchain Your Brain was Live and Heavy on nems ( vinyl ) 1981.....great album cover....
Cool vids man! I was at the Wista mass show! It was cool to see Ian in Sabbath one of my fav vocalist! But I remember he struggled alot but was a Great show!
Musta been great no doubt! Most singers struggle some live, which is why I don’t like most live albums being fixed in the studio. Imperfect vocals are part of the show to me. That’s what makes it an in the flesh event.
Ya! The imperfection keeps it real! A year later I seen Deep Purple 2 nights in a row in wistah! Ian Gillian was Awesome!
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Man great video!!! glad I stumbled across your channel! I'm a huge fan of Sabbath and the born again album and man you know your stuff!!! enjoyed and subbed!!!
Thanks man! Brother do I have some good stuff coming soon in the way of Sabbath… 🤘
@@classicrockmetalreview8523 Can't wait!!! Is there anything better than BLACK SABBATH??
Nope. Coolest band ever
@@classicrockmetalreview8523 Oh you know it!!
Saw the tour 11/08/83, at the coliseum in New Haven, CT. Fastway and Quiet Riot opened up for them. At the time I didn’t didn’t know Bill Ward wasn’t on the tour so I was disappointed.
The BEST ever..🤟 was 15 when this came out. Great times to be alive. 😎 I have the deluxe edition. Not fond of the live show..better live shows can be found on TH-cam.. love the extended version of Stonehenge.
Me too. I actually made my own version of BA with long Stonehenge first into Disturbing the Priest, using some Manor Tape versions where they’re better, omitting Keep It Warm, using The Fallen, ending with the title track. Should put it up as a playlist. And I agree Reading is too keyboard heavy.
I saw the Worcester ma show at the Centrum.. Never realized they did a radio broadcast .
Ohh man lucky you! My first concert wasn’t until 2 months later. What did you think of it being there?
@@classicrockmetalreview8523 From what i remember it was a cool show .. Not the same as having Dio or Ozzy but looking back now it was a one time tour so that is something.. They sounded really heavy and it was a fun night...
WOOster as we say. If you want the Boston version it's WOOSTAH!
@@js6393 I hear it now!
same here..!!!! it was awesome..!!! Its strange now to think that show is on the cd..!!! Actually kinda cool.
The Reading Festival show on the remastered CD came from a Friday Rock Show broadcast-the FRS did up to 8 gigs from the Reading festival each year, but seemed not to keep the tapes beyond what was authorised for the broadcast. Broadcasts were repeated.
That explains the half a show on the BA deluxe disc 2. Thanks Nick
This album frightened me. Which gave way to intrigue and finally absolute fandom. It’s good when an Artist gets a reaction. Born again and disturbing the priest are gospel blackened metal, which is a sub genre that only this sabbath line up with Gillian achieved. The soaring grand screaming choruses with blues elements are distinct from other forms of metal, and it’s perfect.
G I L L A N
Gospel Metal???? Um, yeah
Don Arden didn't take over in 70/71. He was looking to get Sabbath, and one of his employees, Patrick Meehan, made them a "better offer", and they went with him. Meehan ended up owning a lot of their rights and publishing, and the band sued him in 1974/5, ending up broke and in years of litigation with him. Arden took over circa 1977/78
I was going to say that I knew Meehan was in there at some point (Vol 4 era).
Ya Don Arden took over when do you came into the band Patrick Meehan was the manager back in the early years after Jim Simpson
Did you noticed the bonus tracks on the Eurolines cd (Böblingen) are soundboard as well?
Yeah, maybe one day we’ll hear more from that show.
Man! I didn't realize that there were this many Sabbath Boots! I'd love to know where to find some of these!!
My next vid will address where to find them. Guess I’ve been collecting so long I figured everyone knew.
@@classicrockmetalreview8523 can't wait! We used to have record and cd shows around here, but they dried up since early 2000s.
I have the Massachusetts show on cassette somewhere it’s really good I played the crap out of it in my car
No Devil Baby in Houston. Love that album. They were touring with Night Ranger (I hadn’t heard of them before the show).
I’d forgotten that NR opened up. I wonder if it was another Don Arden special: promoting Ozzy’s Ex-guitarist. He paid Ozzy’s graphic artist twice what Ozzy paid him to do the Born Again cover and inner sleeve art, which I forgot to mention.
Also I totally dig the Kojak album, I have it! Huge fan of that show!!!
Telly was the man! Found that sealed like 15 years back for $3
Awesome!
The "mud" sounds like it might be, in part, natural room reverb - like they didn't record separate tracks but did it with a room mic.
I had it from Columbia house on 8-track (still haven't paid for it)
Thx bro,
Zero the Hero the darkest and evil melodic Metal song.
The video is cool in a strange sorta way.
Thanks
The lineup would have possibly stayed together for several albums as a supergroup -- which was reportedly the initial plan. Asia had set a supergroup touring template (theatres to arenas) to build a fanbase and demand for tickets.......but it was like Ian Anderson with "A" -- when record company suits want the recognizable band name splashed on the album; artist plans get derailed pretty quick.
Whoa I never heard that. Gillan suggests he wasn't all that into it practically from jump street, at least once the album was done.
Trashed came from Ian crashing Bill's car on his first night at the studio, after having arrived from a hospital stay to combat his alcoholism. The car was brand new, and was meant to celebrate his new found sobriety. Ian took the car without asking, destroyed it, laughed about it, and never replaced it. This is why it wasn't played live or why Geezer and Tony don't like it.
It is odd that they never played the leas single live.
Great review. Any idea if and when Toni's going to remaster Born Again? To tighten that broad and muddy bass?
Yeah a few months back he said the masters were just located. Finally at some point it will be a true remix. The Deluxe was just a remaster. should have mentioned that. I’ve been riffing so far off the top of my head but will start making notes so things should only improve.
Number one aim; I need to hear the ungodly high harmonies of Ian Gillan. Hopefully we can get some isolated tracks from the master! Ian was never better.
Just subscribed. Great channel man.
Thanks man, just getting going, learning from mistakes and will only improve
@@classicrockmetalreview8523 I learned a lot of new things on that video. I was born in 1965 so that was a good one for me.
Ozzy was everything yes.
But from 1981 to 1986 only.
Then with No Rest for the Wicked album it went down.
It was a 5 years time.
By the mid 1980s there was too many great bands,albums that it was impossible to remain king.
I agree - I was a senior in high school for No Rest and saw that tour. Enjoyed it all at the time but it was like “ok this thing is pretty much over.” The next album was a surprise blockbuster for sure but he was basically spent.
Getting rid of Jake, Daisley and Aldridge …. You can’t just discard those kind of jewels and hope you can sustain greatness.
Zak Wild didn’t do it for me. Dufus.
Hotline is a great song. gillan nails it
I'd take this version of Sabbath anyday over Tony Martin,Ray Gillian, ect...If you can't have Ozzy or Dio
My feelings exactly
@@classicrockmetalreview8523 Tony Martin era was an ABOMINATION, & the LEAST "Sabbath " of any era, l never forgave them for it, Dio , Gillan, Hughes & Ozzy of course were the only ones who could cut it in Sabbath, love Born Again, but turned my back on them when they hired Martin, they could have at least changed their name at least, lt was just not Sabbath with Martin.
@@mickblack2800 I didn’t hear it until maybe 2015 but actually like Seventh Star. Should have been a Tony solo album as planned. Hughes sounds good on it. They became followers of Metal not leaders in the Martin years to me. Some good tunes here and there tho.
@@classicrockmetalreview8523 Yeah Seventh Star is a great album and your right that they followed others, they were out in the Wilderness from Seventh Star & it wasn't until DIO came back for Dehumanizer that put them back at the forefront briefly anyway.
I wasn’t very into Dehumanizer back then be re-listened about a decade ago and now I like it. Didn’t like the concert much in ‘92, nor the Boston FM boot except for occasionally. I’ll review that sometime
In Gillan’s prime nobody could touch him. Even Dio said it.
Ronnie James Dio said his all time favourite Rock/Metal was Glenn Hughes.
@@shspurs1342 we all have favourites for one reason or another which is fine. Have you ever heard Gillan sing Freedom from the DP Fireball album? The third verse is outstanding.
I’ll have to pull Fireball out. I’ll say this much, the single best live song I ever heard was Child In Time in ‘85. And I’ve seen hundreds of shows.
@@classicrockmetalreview8523 wow I thought his voice was half gone by 85. Freedom is an out take that’s only available on the remastered Fireball CDs. Just displays how he can sing screaming instead of just screaming.
Luckily I caught them early, in February ‘85. Can’t speak to the entire tour, but I think it’s the Paris July video I have where maybe he was ill, dunno, but his voice is so spent that I’m surprised they decided to do the show.
It’s not Superstar, it’s Supertzar, like tsar or czar.
I was twenty-seven when Ian Gillan came in the band
Great channel.. New subscriber. I collect many Sabbath boots on CD. I've never seen that Black Sabbath Born Again Unmixed Demos ( Unmired Demos) on vinyl. I used to get my unofficial CDs on Discogs. They no longer allow unofficial releases. Where did you get that release on vinyl?! Thank you
Thanks man! Yeah they just put the info on there now with no product. I think the LP was off eBay from 3 or 4 years back.
@@classicrockmetalreview8523 I can't find it anywhere. Please could you reveal the record labels correct spelling? Year of release and any info that can help me find this title on vinyl ? I have a unofficial release of Black Sabbath The Peel Sessions on vinyl. Also Black Sabbath " The End" EP with 4 studio & 4 live tracks on vinyl. Thank you
@@blackquicksandmusic2365 sure, I mentioned it quickly it’s Way of Wizards who, come to think of it, used to release stuff pretty regularly but whom I haven’t heard much of anything from since I got this. Btw it’s a fake obi that’s part of the actual cover. WOW LP-117. Came in I wanna say 3 different colored vinyls denoted by a round sticker on front. Mine’s orange, 1 was purple I think, forget the other.
Best Sabbath album without Ozzy. Dio made Sabbath more like Rainbow, Gillan made them way darker and heavier.
I’d probably go Mob Rules, Born Again, H&H as my 1-3. But that’s an interesting question, where does BA rank among those 3. Never thought about that. Hmm. Now you got me wondering
I maintain hope that "Born Again" will get the remastering it deserves, the "muddy" mix is just a fault at the remastering stage, and if they have found the original mastertape and if in good condition, there is no reason they can't fix the sound, hopefully not too much as the muddy sound adds to the charm of the album, but still like to mix Gillian's voice more upfront.
It is such a unique album of superb quality and it is thankfully reappraised as the original reviews were just so misguided and biased.
Easily one the greatest metal albums full stop.😢
Dumb question, but where can you buy these shows on cd? Like the Black Sabbath Captured Live '83? Ebay? I think that's where I used to buy them. But didn't ebay crack down on this?
Search the net for the exact title. Occasionally eBay has them but mostly several Japanese sites have them.
@@jp1194 I’m down with however people hear them, but some of us die hard fans want a physical copy.
@@classicrockmetalreview8523 where exactly did you buy your copies?
Dude I just googled the CD title and the 5th site that came up has it. Pricey but the cheaper sites are sold out. It can be listened to for free, 3rd site that came up. Good luck!
@@classicrockmetalreview8523 I listened to it on TH-cam. Sounds is excellent. Definitely getting a hard copy!
Take that back their manager back then in the 70s was Patrick Meehan
Holy shit this is real insight into 1983 with Ozzy and Black Sabbath. Sharon had a miscarriage because she was attacked by dogs. Anyhow when I saw the Born Again album cover I thought immediately this is Black Sabbath. It was dark and I'd already heard Cannibal Corpse's cover of Zero The Hero years before owning this album.
I only learned about the dog attack recently but several sources reported it. People didn’t like the BA cover when it was released, I didn’t understand that. Now Dehumanizer, that one looks cheesy lol
The truth about the Stonehenge set was that most venues’ stages were too small too accommodate it.
where can i purchase these ?🤘
Search the title and a few sites should come up
Just wondering where I can get a physical copy of this?
Search “Black Sabbath The Legendary Masters” and the second result. Japan site
veeeeeery nice :-)
From what I understand they originally tried to use real Rock and it didn't work so they went to more of a would type Stonehenge setup
Gillan was great in the 70s and early 80s, but has been a shadow of that for thirty years now. Dio was consistently incredible for decades. Only in his final few years of of performing (in his mid-60s) did he show any drop-off in vocal quality. I believe he was hands-down the best metal singer of all time.
Halford was at least just as good as Dio, and he has remained as good as he ever was to this day!
@@vbassone - Halford is not as good as he ever was. I saw him in ‘78 and he seemed super-human. He can still give a good performance, but doesn’t leave me awestruck like he did back then, which is completely understandable at his current age. He knows how to pace his vocals and use his skills to the utmost. I think Dio was more consistent throughout his career.
Yeah Dio still had game in 07-08. Lost a little on the last tour but not much considering the stomach cancer. Dio doesn’t get enough credit for his range. His voice is so strong and kinda deep, you almost don’t realize how high he gets. Gillan had trouble doing H&H live, that’s how great his range was.
@@crusheverything4449 You might be right about Halford's skills dropping off in recent years but so did Dio's. It was absolutely noticeable that there was a drop in Dio's vocals live in the last few years of concert performances that I've watched so let's not pretend that there was never a drop off in Dio either!
@@classicrockmetalreview8523 Robert Plant had amazing range, Halford, young ian Gillan, Klaus Meine is a vastly underrated singer. he's great and still is!
FACES OF DEATH!
Patrick Meehan managed Sabbath after Jim Simpson.
You’re right, in between Simpson and Arden. Someone else pointed that out. My error.
Don Arden didn't start managing Black Sabbath until 1980
Born Again was great,,dirty sounding in a good way.
I never minded it. The 3 or 4 tunes on The Manor Tapes that sound better is really only a crisper guitar sound, so it’s slightly heavier.
It was Patrick Meehan that took Sabbath from Jim Simpson, not Don Arden.
Oh man, you’re right, Meehan was in between Simpson and Arden.
Where do you get these bootlegs at
I thought the manager back then was Rodger baine
PLAY LOUD
Don Arden took over in the late seventies
Where can I buy this?
Might find it on eBay or if you can find a used record store maybe they can order it
This tour was about as Spinal Tap as you could get. We were 13 and 14 years old so we were green but Gillan playing bongos just rubbed us wrong. But very cool to relive that forgotten Era of sabbath!!!!!
I hate to admit it but it really was. The bongos def required a knowledge of Purple to appreciate. Even then, not very Sabbath. At least he chose probably the only sequence that made any sense, that drum breakdown in Supernaut.
Absolutely right. It was just an unfortunate bizarre chain of events. Sharon and father Don's falling out, the chaotic recording session, the Red Baby cover backlash, mishandled remastering of the album, the Stonehenge and dancing red devil baby debarcle, bad reviews, lack of promotion.....but the album stands the test of time, it is a s tone cold classic.
See what you think of this version I’ve been listening to for years now. th-cam.com/play/PL2nwammMn3zmJLKKFcqwiVVpo9ZwSPrXz.html&si=uTFMraHDTmINZbgd
It wasn't Bill's Car it was Richard Branson's car they were staying at his house
I wouldn't say Paris show is "muddled". In fact there's too much clarity. But yes it's not a good recording. Vocals are too forward and crisp. Ian is not a vocalist that benefits from hearing him too clearly. As he's always skated the border between awesome and cringe. Iommi is recorded well. But the drums sound insignificant. No heft to them. It's a typical soundboard recording in that it sounds thin and harsh. If you listen to it as if it were a badly recorded garage band, it's kinda good. As for the Massachusetts show, yep, that's good. I bought it on cassette in '92 at some record convention (i.e. bootleg show) in the basement of a Holiday Inn.
Keep the videos coming. You really know your stuff. I like the Faces of Death shirt. I used to rent those on VHS in '80s I thought it was all real. That Western couple in Asia beating a monkey's head through a hole in a the dining table so they could eat fresh monkey brain disturbed me for years. I'm so glad it was all faked. Oh, and the Los Angeles cult that ate corpses. They showed that happening in that dark living room. I totally thought that was real. The odd thing is, I was freaked out, but I would watch it while eating dinner. I guess I have a strong stomach.
We’re like brothers of another mother as far as the Faces of Death and finding the MA show on tape early 90’s in a hotel basement record convention. I’m due to revisit Eurolines anyway.
Are you sure it was all fake? I am with you as we all did the same thing listening to heavy metal and watching faces of death.😝
Are you asking about Ozzy’s vocals being re-recorded? Absolutely. They’re perfect on the record, and nothing near perfect on the actual shows. Personally I prefer the real, actual flawed version
This guys looks like Elliot Goblet.
They could only use some of the Stonehenge set. Most of it was too big.
From the looks of the various pics, did they had the originals cut shorter?
i saw this tour. quiet riot opened. i enjoyed it. its a good album but not great mix
That cassette better not have dub Lee/Dolby😂
Worcester is pronounced "wisstah" ,for us Worcester ppl 😅
Ian Gillan never liked the Born again album
Play this stuff. Are you afraid of getting sued? Never happens
Not my favourite period for Sabbath. Gillan not the right fit for me.
Tony no like boots except live at last I respect his wishes. It ain't the Dead it's Sabbath! Fuck these rip off artists. Also: you never mentioned The Fallen which despite the goofy bridge contains possibly the most impactful guitar solo Tony ever recorded. It's ABSOLUTELY insane and you don't even mention it? You want great but poorly recorded Sabbath? Try wicked world into sometimes I'm happy into the void on Live at Last. Heavy enuf to crush all competition and yes OZZY is the singer. OZZY!
Saw them in the Montreal Forum. Gillian couldn't pull off the Ozzy Sabbath songs so there were a lot of guitar solos and a long drum solo. Things got better at the end when they played Smoke On The Water. What a forgettable album and stupid artwork.
I happen to like the album cover.
To this day Born Again one of the worst albums I’ve ever heard. Good opening cut and just falls off a cliff. Sounds terrible. Just a pathetic effort.