Tschaikowsky: 6. Sinfonie (»Pathétique«) ∙ hr-Sinfonieorchester ∙ Lionel Bringuier
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- Peter Tschaikowsky:
6. Sinfonie (»Pathétique«) ∙
(Auftritt) 00:00 ∙
I. Adagio - Allegro non troppo 00:40 ∙
II. Allegro con grazia 21:16 ∙
III. Allegro molto vivace 29:17 ∙
IV. Finale. Adagio lamentoso - Andante 38:20 ∙
hr-Sinfonieorchester (Frankfurt Radio Symphony Orchestra) ∙
Lionel Bringuier, Dirigent ∙
Alte Oper Frankfurt, 15. November 2013 ∙
Website: www.hr-sinfonieorchester.de ∙
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I love how when a few people tried to clap after the 3rd movement, the conductor just shuts them down immediately
Yeah but he ruined the start of the last movement with his silly segue. Not good.
Pathétique was the name given to Tchaikovsky’s Sixth Symphony and translated from the Russian Патетическая (Pateticheskaya), meaning ‘passionate’ or ‘emotional’. It certainly does not mean ‘Pathetic’ or even ‘Tragic’, but goes far beyond these words in expressing a kind of existential torment, and in my opinion the finest piece of music to do so. Tchaikovsky himself said of his Fourth Symphony ... ‘Fate returns to waken us, and we see that life is an alternation of grim reality and fugitive dreams of happiness.’ That just about sums up his life and life in general. He allegedly died by his own hand only 9 days after he conducted the first performance of the work, and his demise has been clouded in much controversy. Some have called it a suicide note in music and there is much pain and melancholy within its chords. If anything can touch the inner depths of the human consciousness, then this is it, a knife into the very heart of existence. A Symphony of Sorrows, of regret, of hopelessness and despair in this cruel world of delusion and illusion that so tortures the sensitive and creative mind.
The best translation I can give is the form of passion most often given to a suffering: The passion of the Christ, for example. To love something so much that it brings you great and inevitable pain.
Thank you
This was beautifully written frend. I may disagree, as we are all owed the right, but the sentiments conveyed alleging the true meaning of music is not lost. Bravo.
I might add that life is a dual mirror. We exist in the reality created by our own minds self reflection. Life is beautiful and full of love and offers the ability, through its own unknown mechanism, to soothe and temper the mind and soul and guide it away from delusion. If one were to believe the only real delusion is self-delusion then life in itself has provided the answer for all of its inherent torments.
Me before listening: haha ok edgelord
Me after listening: what are we and why do we remain? What is our existence meant for? Are we meant for anything at all? Are we inherently good? Inherently bad? Are we anything at all?
10:56 will always make me jump no matter how many times I've listened to this symphony
Me too - and I listen to it daily (nothing makes me concentrate like this particular piece).
Its probably my 25th time listening and it got me good today
I listened to this Symphonie for the second time tonight, and I almost fell out of my chair at the 11:00 mark.
Fantastic!!!!!!!
Even the camera operators seemed shook :P
@@isaiahbaggett5014so true!
I love the fact that both Shostakovich and Tchaikovsky's consider their most depressing pieces best of their works, while denouncing their relatively uplifting pieces, really tells something about Russian composers or even Russian social atmosphere throughout ages.
That is because positive emotions are simple, not complex and easier to achieve as a result. Positive/simple emotions are usually taken at face value with no further processing, that is because we are content with those emotions, there is nothing we want to change about them. Negative/Complex emotions require constant processing, finding out the reason, the solution. And perhaps, if there is no solution, we may deny the emotion, or accept it. Sadly, there are many more forms that suffering comes in, than happiness. Thus, extra specificity is required for the darkest of them.
That may also be the reason that listening to sad music is coorelated to higher IQ, if you believe that sort of stuff. Simple/happy music may not be enough for them because it doesn't challenge their processing power. Perhaps smarter people get more out of the negative emotions that they can comprehend possibly better than most others, just because they may be intrigued by all of the questions they can ask.
(Sorry for the rant there)
@@supersolomob422 I disagree. Positive emotions can also be complex, but I think your reasoning can still hold up if “positive emotion” has “superficial” attached as a modifier.
Negative emotions can also be quite simple, especially in our era.
@@kintamas4425 To each their own. But let me elaborate
When I say "Complex Emotions" I don't mean the literal list of complex emotions that exists. I mean the complexity of how much space they take up in your head, how much you have to process them, not complexity as in the emotions that appear under quite specific circumstances. But, THIS complexity is completely relative to one another. So you may think be thinking "Positive emotions can be complex, and don't have to only be simple". But what are you comparing their complexity to? Other emotions or the definition of superficial? Because they are simple when compared to the average complexity of negative emotions, but they are complex when compared to superficial emotions. For example: you puzzle over why something bad has happened to you. "Why God! Why!" you yell at the sky. Conversely, you don't puzzle with positive emotions, you don't wonder why unless it truly is out of the blue. Asking yourself "Why am I sad?" sounds natural: "Why am I happy?", it sounds forced. So, what I'm saying is that on a scale of "Complex emotions" to "Simple emotions", positive emotions are more likely to be at the latter half of the scale, and negitive at the former. And not many emotions are superficial, I'd say. Though, you could say emotions as a result of music are superficial, but I think music can evoke real emotions too.
I think there are some positive emotions that are very complex, though rare. Usually they fit into the category of bittersweet, happysad. Like nostalgia or sentimentality, though there are potentially others. But notice they have a negative aspect. It's like a moving on dynamic, you move on to explore and get what you want, but you say goodbye to what you knew. The contrast between happy AND sad in one feeling serves to amplify them both. Such as it does in a happy cute story that turns unbelievably dark. The happiness is amplified in contrast with the darkness, and vice versa
Negative emotions are internal conflict, positive emotions just plain aren't.
And I can't say I understand what you meant when you said "Negative emotions can be simple, especially in our era". Because almost all negative emotions are followed by questions, that's not the case with positive ones. People are rarely sad and don't try to figure out why, so they can fix it. Because if you sit in sadness without even wondering why you're suffering you're probably a broken human. People don't wonder why they're happy, and they don't often try to become more happy when they are already happy (happiness, not contentness).
I can understand that you have a different view. But I'm more keen on hearing why. Do you just disagree that your mind doesn't wonder why it's happy? Or is it something else?
@@supersolomob422 I disagree because misery is much easier to maintain than happiness.
If you want consistent and stable happiness, you usually have to work to maintain so.
Finally, it seemed to me like you were glorifying negative emotions. Also, I think people don’t tend to ask questions about their happiness because their actions serve as answers in of themselves.
@@kintamas4425 Perhaps it is for you. Personally, I'm more often content than miserable.
But you're right, consistent misery is easy to maintain, but fleeting happiness isn't because it's fleeting. Contentment is also easy to maintain, however. In fact that's the defining characteristic of contentment, that it tends to be consistent. Some people are just predominantly optimistic and more likely to be positive, and some are pessimistic and more likely to be negative. It just depends on who you are.
I've seen plenty of people staying optimistic in bad situations, people look on the bright side and stay content by thinking "I'm lucky it wasn't worse".
And all of that does not at all affect the nature of of how complex processing negative emotions require. A person in constant hardship will find they are more exhausted from the mental processing and strain it takes on their brain, they are more likely to get headaches, lose sleep, lose their appetite, have no motivation for extra stimulation, they'll isolate. Why? Because their emotions are complex and weigh on their mind to the point where they can't do those processes right, the same cannot be said conversly. So compare that to those who have an easy life and stay content, nothing weighs on their mind, their emotional processing is simple and all of the extra problems are avoided.
And no, I wasn't "glorifying" negative emotions in the real world. I was appreciating depressive music, quite a difference there. And that's not to say simplicity is bad, it what literally every human alive strives for, a simple life where they get what they want and nothing less
And again, I still don't quite understand your answer. So you think happy people don't ask "Why am I happy?" because their actions ARE the answer? So you mean the answer is so simple they don't need to ask because they already know it? That sounds like a simple emotion to me
It's still always the negative emotions asking the questions and the positive ones being the answer, it's the nature of human growth for people to have the goal of simplicity.
Imagine: you're on your way to work. But oh no! You've run into a complication, traffic is so bad you'll be late! | Notice the word "complication", a complexening of the situation. If someone walked up to your car door and gave you some ice cream in the traffic, well that's not a complication (unless it's poisoned.). Complex is a synonym of complicated. A complication is when a situation becomes complicated. "com" in all of these words comes from the original meaning interwoven and folded, something interwoven (like arcs in a good story) is complex. BUT we use the noun "complication" to describe a negative change almost 100% of the time. Well why on earth would we do that? Because negative = complex/complicated
And I mean it's kinda hard to find one thing that doesn't fit into "Negative is complex and positive is simple".
(Positive) Cute art styles = *simple* and large smooth shapes, simple colors. (Negative) Horror art style = hyperrealism and jagged *complex* textures and proportions and shapes
I mean I'm trying so hard to explain here, I'm really trying to breaking down into abstracts. I do want to understand. But I feel you if you don't feel like it's worth it to try to make me understand, then I understand lmao
Tchaikovsky is a jerk-he puts you through an emotional roller coaster for three movements and you finally feel energized and triumphant when the third movement is over; you feel like your life and humanity in general is gonna be okay. We are strong, we got this!
Then just a moment later you realize it was all a sham. There is no such thing as victory or happiness. We are all doomed in the end. Utter despair wreaks havoc on your mortal soul for seven straight minutes until you give into the everlasting sadness and disappear forever into silence. There is nothing like seeing this symphony in person... your soul leaves your body and when it re-enters it’s never the same.
Moral of the story: Society corrupts everything...
yikes
Tchaikovsky said "Never in my life have I been more convinced that I have written a beautiful work." He was in a most cheerful mood when he composed that finale, and when he departed from Klin for the first performance in Petersburg. In any case, the march is clearly a deliberate musical contrast to the rest of the work. I am sorry, but diffuse psychobabble says nothing about Tchaikovsky. Especially when it bears no relation to the facts. Quite apart from which, many people find this work uplifting, particularly he finale with its expansive melodies and incomparable orchestration. Finally, calling this work a "sham" is a woeful misunderstanding of all that Tchaikovsky stood for. If there is such a thing as an uncultured philistine, his remarks would sound very much like psy-kylo-gy"s.
@@phillipvietri8786 Excuse me? I played clarinet in an orchestra for 8 years and Tchaikovsky is by far my favorite composer and my favorite to play. I have never met anyone who thought the finale of the 6th was “uplifting”... I wasn’t saying anything bad about this symphony, I hold it in the highest esteem and think it’s a masterpiece. What I described is how many people feel when they first hear this symphony, the triumphant third movement often brings applause from new listeners because they don’t know what’s coming next. You are extremely rude, but have a nice day anyway.
"Tchaikovsky is a jerk...a sham" Doesn't sound like esteem to me! I was very rude because such comments about such a great composer elicited them. Sorry if they hurt your feelings.
I love how they're all waiting for the end of the movement to then simultaneously cough up a storm.
And they do that all the time at every concert
tears tears tears
Lol
A cacoughany
Hey that's better than coughing at a beautiful adagio line
The last movement is the most tragic composition in all of classical music. And if you know Tchaikovsky's story and death, it's even more devastating.
I won't say there aren't more tragic ones but this is still a masterpiece
The last movement makes this the greatest piece of symphonic literature ever in my mind. It is followed closely by Rachmaninoff Symphony no 2!
@@OW0974 any examples?
@@OW0974 😮😮d😮😮😮😮😮😮
a lot of hyberbole gets thrown around on youtube, but I've racked my brain and can't come up with anything more tragic than this. even something like the Schindler's list theme, which is maybe mildly tragic, is a pale comparison to the gut wrenching dispair that Tchaikovsky packs into this final movement.
This is one of the most fulfilling symphonies to play. I cried after the first time I performed it. Incomparable beauty. This kind of music is what makes HEROES out of composers for all the musicians out there.
i've played it a few times. hard to not get choked up in the last mov. i have to force myself to hold it together.
Also for music lovers.
@@cornel999 Sorry, but, I cannot hold it together. I've heard it so many times that I begin to tear up early in the 1st movement. It's the most beautiful, yet sad, of all symphonies. I just adore it.
Some musicians sometime look down their noses a bit a Tchaikovsky, particularly his penchant for rousing endings that play to the audience. But in my experience, there is nothing more fun or purely beautiful to the ears than playing his orchestral works. All great composers are fun to play in their own way, but certain passages in Tchaikovsky can shake you to the core when sitting in the middle of the music and playing your small part to create the sound.
I play clarinet and I can’t play this symphony without crying... and I can’t hear it played live without crying. I first heard it when I was nine years old and my soul left my body. Still one of the most (if not **the** most) genuinely devastating pieces of music in the classical repertoire.
If the fourth movement does not play when I’m dying, I ain’t dying
i literally just tweeted that i want the last movement to play at my funeral lmaoo
Tchaikovsky died 9 days after, so.... 😬
And have everyone who loved you depressed with this music? nah, I'd have a positive song played at my funeral, a reminder that love and not sadness is cooler xD
On god.
@@misterasterisco5217
Depression is not a bad thing. It makes people release their pain and move on
Imagine playing pretty joyful or hyped music in your funeral
It’d be pretty confusing to everyone lol
My favourite thing about this piece is how the most beautifull melody of this in my opinion 23:43, is transformed into the most tragic one at the very end 47:57
I never noticed this! Thank you for pointing it out!
Tchaikovsky had this inextricable ability to tap into the deepest of human emotions.
I have no memory of typing this lol
Tchaikovsky died 9 days after the premiere of this work and many think this was a suicide note. The sadness and beauty of this work to me tells a story of saying goodbye to the world and his fans and it is my favorite piece. The conductor had a moment of silence for that. What a piece of music.
Nobody knows when they will die.
Bernstein said he probably wasn’t depressed. When you’re depressed you don’t even want to get out of bed let alone right a symphony. But I don’t know…
@@markwardprodking That makes a lot of sense. Bernstein knew a thing or two about clinical depression. Widespread among great musicians. I will tell you one thing, it is hard to imagine anyone purposely taking a drink of cholera infused water. There is suicide, and then there is dying of cholera. Not a good way to go, to put it mildly. Death by hanging is a tea party in comparison.
@@markwardprodking not all depression presents itself so extremely. My entire family has depression (barring my mother). We all go to work/school every day. We are still depressed. It was very likely that Tchaikovsky WAS suffering from depression. He was prone to “insomnia, fears, and extreme fluctuations of mood, from depression to elation”. This seems a bit more like bipolar disorder to me; either way, Tchaikovsky was mentally ill.
There is a popular theory that he was being pressured to die since he was gay and that was illegal in russia but he was kind of an icon so the state couldn't let that information be public.
The symphony is basically only the first three movements, the last one is his requiem
Why a Requiem?
@@leocadieux6781 He died nine days after the premiere due to cholera poisoning (officially). Apparently he forgot to boil his tap water, a bit suspicious for doing so his whole life. The government most likely found he is gay. As an act to redeem himself, the Government ordered him to kill himself. Or he just did not want to life anymore, now that his secret had been revealed. Rimsky-Korsakov also asked Tchaikovsky whether the Symphony had program (had a meaning), he replied, it has, yet others have to find out.
That is why I am saying, the last movement is his Requiem, it is not typcial to have such a tragic ending to a symphony (even right after the third one is an ending in itself). You can feel all the pain he was going through.
@@schell9726 two set conspiracies be like
@@joseg.matamoros2847 oh he knows... Although im pretty sure this is true
@@schell9726 It's a conspiracy theory. Don't tell it like facts.
The opening to the 4th movement is one of the most painfully sad things I have ever heard in my life
first movement is an emotional roller-coaster and I love it
Well in that respect it's just like my love life
Only the first movement? The hole symphony is an emotional rollercoaster
@@lucianasoriagutierrez5593 facts except the last movement is mostly just soul destroying
Silence for almost a full minute after the end. Hell to the YES and hell to the YES some more.
Perfection.
Respectful audience. Here in the US people would immediately be running to the exits, to beat the traffic rush home. I have witnessed this at this symphony.
The last movement of this symphony is a masterpiece. It is soul-crushing. Never hath a symphony such a tremendously soul-defining ending - you listen to it and you really feel despair for any drop of goodness in the world. Then you hear this melody in major and you're like, okay I survived... Then you die in the end ultimately...
Rick Marti Bunch of fictional crap! Read Alex Ross in the New Yorker Magazine, or Richard Taruskin's refutations of every one of the hyper sensationalized "homosexual despair and resignation to suicide." Tchaikovsky died of cholera, attested to by four doctors. The suicide canard is a handy one - albeit false - for the h8rs and sensationalist hyper romantics!!!! www.therestisnoise.com/2004/05/tchaikovsky.html
+Tom Gossard The general consensus has generally been that he died from disease (Cholera) after drinking infected tap water. As it was considered highly dangerous to drink untreated water at the time how do we know he did not do this as a form of suicide? We cannot know what is going on in another person's mind but what we do know is that it is today the fashion to rewrite history in almost every sphere.
+cameronpaul A teacher of mine says that tchaikovsky intentionally drank this infected water when he heard (well, he conducted) the performance of this masterpiece and realized he'd never be able to create something equal or better. It sounds quite sensationalist and trivial, but maybe there is a part of truth, because of the passional life he lived and the hugeness of this Symphony".
+Murtagh5000 This is an old tale and very inaccurate version.
+Murtagh5000 Please read Klaus Mann's (son of Thomas Mann) novel, "Pathetic Symphony." I think it provides a very convincing explanation.
38:14
Audience after third movement: *claps*
Conductor: wAIT NO-- don't clap yet!
It's part of Tchaikovsky's genius...to give so resounding an end to a movement as to make the audience think it's over...and then gently, carefully, tear their hearts to pieces with the final movement. It's a tragic work from a tragic composer--all the glory is hollow at the end; pain and loss are the defining emotions. Pathetique.
@@theKobus Sure. Why not, let's cut the snobbery.
@@theKobus They gotta read up on what they are listening lol
Killerbee47 yeah - not many people, even those attending, are familiar with classical and romantic pieces these days.
The 6th is a wonderful proof. What a tragedy that underlies the entire symphony, but an unknowing audience will not understand this until the fourth movement shocks them.
@Brain Inavat Yes, and I would love to see this come back.
At the end, the conductor is saying, Tchaikovsky is dead... Tchaikovsky, the greatest romantic composer... has died... It's really tremendously sad.
buscar tipo de joyas
+Nuria Sendra Montaner franciscana
Tchaikovsky is dead?! Why wasn't I told?
WJohnM really bro
@@bruh7130 Queen Anne's dead, too.
The ending of this symphony is so heartbreakingly beautiful. It’s his only Symphony that ends like this.
Well said!
and last
The last mov is also a requiem cuz he died 9 days after premiere of symphony
So sus and sad
that’s because it was his final, and arguably most eloquent piece of music he’s ever put out
The very first time I heard this symphony I was driving and when the orchestra in my recording came to the largamente at 14:48 I had to pull over and just bask in the sheer trauma being expressed. It is, to this day, the most devastating passage of music I have ever heard. And I love it.
I have learned, over the last 70+ years or so, that "Minor is richer than Major" (quote borrowed from Virgil Fox at Fillmore East in NYC). This Pathétique, plus the Ruhevolle of Mahler's 4th, plus Vorspiel und Liebestod (Tristan), plus Tod und Verklarung (Richard Strauss), plus Sibelius' 2nd Symphony, plus La Boheme and Turandot, plus ANY Debussy, are ALL my "go to" pieces for solitary, beautiful listening.
@@oleflogger6828 Good tastes... I have a lot to learn. My actually fav composers are Schubert, Chopin and Tchaikovsky. But i love Mozart, Beethoven, Liszt, Mendelssohn, some Schumann, Brahms, Verdi, some Wagner... Where to begin with Puccini, Wagner and Mahler? (I also love so much Strauss, Richard... And where to start with Debussy?) (Tell me some pieces please)
Wagner Tristan
@@kerencanelo8580 Debussy- Prélude à l'après-midi d'un faune and maybe watch someone dance on this piece (I think Nureev did it after Nijinsky)
For trauma and deep melancholy, try Bruckner 8th too...
This is the greatest symphony of all time.
I don't believe there is any best symphony... There are so many great symphonies, e.g Mahler, Bruckner, Shostakovich, Prokofiev, Beethoven, Scriabin, Rachmaninoff, the list goes on and on. They're all so different yet amazing that you can't rank them by their greatness. However, I definitely agree with you that this is an amazing symphony which is one of my favourites as well!
It's not, but it's definitely one of them!
@AD Shyn Well said.
@robert jackson sus 🤨 ???
@@EminAnimE1 your are really good
Dropping from pain to desperation...
The last heartbeats are given by the contrabass...
then, the silence
1 minute of silence for tchaikovsky
This piece nearly always leaves me exhausted, after having lived through such an intense and beautiful experience. Love it how the conductor, after the last note has ebbed away, manages to continue the tension and to maintain nearly a full minute of silence.
Bonjour le couac à 27 min, entre le premier violon et la chef d'orchestre, savez vous, erreur de mesure ? Merci.
The person who coughed a few seconds in be like
That last minute of complete silence gave me chills. Wonderful job to an amazing orchestra
If only people hadn't clapped after Mvt. III... that was so cringe. 😬
It happens more often than you think. The bombastic ending of the third makes people think it is the end.
I jumped at 10:58 Truly masterful transition of tension.
Me too! It jumpscared me haha
This is indeed Tchaikovsky's most profound and eloquent work, way beyond Swan Lake, way beyond Eugene Onegin, way beyond his violin masterpiece, way beyond his piano number 1, way beyond imagination.... Those chords at the end of the adagio lamentoso invoke the author's spirit of sadness and the decadence of mankind.
Nothing is beyond piano number 1... imo
I don't know where you get "the decadence of mankind", but then, it's left to each person to feel differently.
I feel differently. To me the piece is not about the decadence mankind but about the downfall of one man.
@@johannesasfaw It is about both, an expression of the existential torment of life.
I think he was saying good bye with this piece.
That ending is one of the most disappointing, tragic, heart wrenching endings of any symphony. I remember listening to this for the first time and thinking to myself, is that it??? That’s the whole thing??? But that’s the tragedy of it. That is the whole thing. You expect some grandiose, triumphant ending, but are left with silence and despair. It really speaks volumes to the war in Ukraine right now. Hope is lost. Immense tragedy. Despair. Loneliness. It’s all there. Tchaikovsky was an absolute genius. Bravo! 👏👏👏
Tchaikovsky's symphonies are literally one of the best among of all!
Так и есть !
I cry continuously when I hear this music.
Это ШИЗОФРЕНИЯ.
Eng. This is a schizophrenia.
I agree with the theory espoused in Klaus Mann's novel "Pathetic Symphony" and elsewhere that the entire work is one enormous suicide letter. There are a few conductors who have the courage to start the last movement "attacca," so that it starts with no pause after the third - the descending scales of the trombones thus leading directly into the main theme of the Adagio lamentoso. Some conductors also do not put down their batons until about a minute after the last note has died away - and the audience is usually far too spellbound to applaud. I feel that this is how it should be. Seldom has Death been so palpable in music as in these last fading "heartbeats" of the contrabasses.
Toda la vida escuchando esta sinfonía sin comprender por qué el último movimiento es tan triste...
@@diegoblasco8365 La muerte, el despedido ultimativo por Ud no son tristes? Son la mensaje del último movimiento.
@@diegoblasco8365 Se "murió de cólera" (suicidó) 9 días después de la Premiere
14:33 onwards was the most satisfying outburst of grief in my life
First time I heard this I was in awe. Second time I cried. I didn't think anything could be this good twice.
Tchaikovsky‘s symphonies may not have the formal organization, internal logic of Mozart’s or Beethoven’s, or Brahms’, but how much beauty and melodic creativity.....
I think the formal organization and internal logic in Tchaikovsky are underestimated. He might have underestimated them himself - he was extremely self-critical - but I believe I have studied the score of the "Pathétique" sufficiently to see that they are there.
Are you serious? The first movement is in sonata form, it is just done so brilliantly you don't realize it. Just pure excellence. I realized some ingenious development only after reading the score and playing a piano accomodation. Second movement is a dance expect for the peculiar meter 5/4. Third movement is a march-like movement with a simple structure. The fourth movement also has a solid structure even if does not correspond to the order of the movements in classical symphonies, but it works excellenrlt nevertheles
It's just a series of tunes - it's not serious music - but it's really lovely
But does Mahler have a formal organization in all of his symphonies? I'm a casual listener and it seems to me that Mahler's works are even less organized than Tchaikovsky and yet Mahler's works are very popular. My point is that it doesn't matter that much. It's important for those who indulge in formal studies, but occasional listeners don't need this feature in music.
@@theodentherenewed4785 "Repetition is the essence of musical coherency" is a paraphrase of a quote I've heard before, although I've since forgotten the attribution. My point is, though, that at least some extent of structure is needed for any piece of music to be easily processed by the listener. That form doesn't always need to be hard-edged, as demonstrated by Tchaik and Mahler, but it does need to exist, and can sometimes even benefit the enjoyability of a piece's development if it does follow some sort of strict pattern (beethoven's 5th symphony mvt 1, for example, seems incredibly restricted and simple in its form with only 2 simple contrasting themes, but this only makes it easy to process and understand and might be one of the contributing factors to its popularity).
I. Adagio - Allegro non troppo ∙ 00:40
II. Allegro con grazia ∙21:16
III. Allegro molto vivace ∙29:09
IV. Finale. Adagio lamentoso - Andante ∙38:18
Thank you so much
Thanks a lot pal !
Спасибо.
Thank u u are a god and a blessing in disguise. i love u
Thank you, i have an assignment to listen to this. I love you
14:00-16:00 probably the most beautiful orchestral writing I’ve ever heard.
Finally someone appreciates this mind blowing section. It is the sound of pure existential dread grasping the psyche with all of its might. This performance in particular nails the tempo during this part. In all the other recording I’ve heard it is too rushed and the brass is not powerful enough, but in this, it is paced perfectly. Those trombone blares are your strongest inner demons letting you know that yes, the world is indeed ending and you are finished.
I am just learning about and really appreciating classical music. This piece really spoke to me. I loved it!
Indeed! This is one of the most cherished works in the entire symphonic literature!
beethovens are also pretty good
When you have the chance, listen to Rachmaninoff's 2nd Symphony - use TH-cam and play the Radio Philharmonica Orkest in the Concertgegouw. It's on a par with this.
Ole Flogger ,’
„classical“
I feel so thankful for Tschaikovsky for writing this masterpiece, for all the musicians who performed it so well, and the Frankfurt Radio and Symphony who made it available for us.
Bonjour le couac à 27 min, entre le premier violon et la chef d'orchestre, savez vous, erreur de mesure ? Merci.
Thanks for this masterpiece Petr Ilich. I went to Sankt Peterburg just to pay my respects to his grave.
So did I. Before that, I stood for half an hour in front of the house in which he died - shortly before the 100th anniversary of his death.
I wish I could do that but I don't dare to visit Russia any more with the political situation there right now. I always wanted to visit St Petersburg, sounds like amazing city, but problem always was that it is located in Russia
10:58 best camera work ever
Thank you for the long pause at the end! Applause is an inappropriate response to such an enormous outpouring of the soul.
My god, it is.
And even after such a long pause, the applause still felt disappointingly early. A hair early, but still early- Bringuier was very slowly coming out of that silence, to finally turn towards the audience and signal its inevitable end, but they anticipated him.
I KNEW A GUY WHO WOULD LEAVE AFTER THE 3RD MOVEMENT ON THAT SO EMOTIONAL HIGH NOTE RATHER THAN LEAVE AFTER THAT GUT WRENCHINGLY SORROWFUL LAST MOVEMENT....
Just what the doctor ordered for my melancholy mood, October 2020.
Such a magnificent piece; the emotions written in the chords and melodies speak of melancholy and sadness. Tchaikovsky lived a sad life, one we could never understand. He put all his emotions into his final work, one we shall definitely remember.
No matter how people interpret the title "Pathetique" means, this is a piece of extremely emotional music. Just look at every musician in the orchestra, how they are involved emotionally. I have seen many performances of this symphony and never remember any orchestra who didn't play as such. One man, Tchaikovsky, can impact so many, musicians and music lovers.
Perfect to cough right into the pppp clarinet solo before the development starts....
Specially flown over from London after a summer's training at the Proms.
ROBERT FRANK GILL LOL your comment made my day
At all performances of this symphony everyone with the hint of a cough should be given a roll of extra-strength lozenges, and the people sitting behind them should be given a garrote and instructions on using it. Hint: loudly unwrapping the lozenges is sufficient provocation.
Super!
@@robertfrankgill5962 Ottima orchestra direttore super.
before this, i struggled to see the beauty in classical music. but man it was like i got suddenly enlightened by this magnificent, beautiful, and aching symphony.
ofc then i went on and discovered more amazing works from the greatest composers. bach, beethoven, brahms; the rest of tchaikovsky’s symphonies and even his ballets! i discovered rachmaninoff, prokofiev, dvorak, and mahler and oh how world-shaking mahler is. i finally saw how beautiful they all are. classical music is truly transformative and life-changing. but still this remains my favourite symphony simply because of how hard it affected me and how it affects me still. i will forever thank tchaikovsky for opening my eyes to it (classical music).
(sorry for my english, it’s my 5th language and i’m still learning.)
Dude, you need to being ashamed of yourself and language skills. This is a beautiful and eloquent eulogy of classical music, written like a poet or master writer
Casual flex with the "it's my fifth language" lol. Your English is great.
Check out the Liszt transcendental etudes as well as Chopin’s études op 25 you will find the hidden jewels
Another masterpiece symphony! It is very hard to say that one symphony is better than the other or one concerto is better than the others. It is the same as the fingers in our hands. All have different sizes and each one is important. In the same manner the glory of Classical music is that the realms of each symphony or concerto have a story behind the music. That's what makes Classical music a giant when compared to the garbage in the music that floats around today. Tchaikovsky was another genius who gave so much of his life to bring joy, comfort, serenity and peace to millions with the wide reportaire that he produced. I really love this symphony with the brilliant orchestra and conductor and the way they performed it. Brilliant!
Well stated!
Brilliant comment.
Bach was the great musical architect, Mozart was the composer of heavenly perfection, Beethoven showed the glory of human courage against adversity, but Tchaikovsky was simply human - the most human of all composers.
And Brahms stood on the shoulders of Bach, Mozart, and Beethoven, reaching levels of perfection and beauty never surpassed
@@galahadthreepwood Brahms was a very great composer indeed. But I wouldn't say 'never surpassed'.
About Mahler.....
This symphony was Chaikovskiy last work. After premier concert in Saint-Petersburg, on which he was, he died after 9 days unexpectedly... from cholera. He said when he was writing this symphony that he felt like he was writing requiem...
Thank you... I can't help thinking of "Death in Venice", a picture realized by Luchino Visconti, in which Gustav von Aschenbach -alias Gustav Mahler- died from cholera, cholera of love... or impossibility of love. P.I. Tchaikovsky was also involved secretly into love for the boys... With his "Winterreise" Franz Schubert wrote also the music of his own death, by siphylis and absence of love.
He wrote his brother telling him how proud he was about this piece and how beautiful it was. He was about to be outed regarding his homosexuality. Believed to have drank from the river water as a form of suicide. A national treasure avoiding disgrace. So sad, like the 4th movement.
I don't know where you got this information from, but Tchaikovsky had no intention nor the impression of composing his own Requiem. He started composing this symphony in February 1893, he was not going to die until November 6 of that same year, how could he predict that he was going to die a few months later? By the time he was composing this symphony, he felt like he was composing his best work, and he had many plans for the future: a cello concerto, a flute concerto, a ballet and an opera, even a second tour of the United States.
Isn’t it Tchaikovsky...?
@@leocadieux6781 Thank you for the truthful information. Tchaikovsky had no intention of dying, as evidenced by his letters, memoirs of friends and relatives. I don't understand why many people are more willing to believe in gossip?
Bravo, what a glorious, emotional performance of one of the greatest symphonies! According to the biographies, Tchaikovsky is said to been a highly sensitive and neurotic man who felt deeply and bursted into tears occassionally when composing this symphony. Only 9 days after the world premiere, which he himself conducted, he died due to the cholera after having drunk a glass of an unboiled water. Beauty of this music is extraordinary and almost a full one-minute silence at the end is heartbreaking. 💔
Whoa... this is my second time listening to this but just now i realize how profound that last movement really is. Absolutely soul shattering.
This orchestra is excellent! so many soloists
10 days after Tschaikowsky conducted this - possibly his best and most emotional - piece of work he died. Unbelievably beautiful music, pure emotion, and so full of pain.
i used to play bass and in my youth orchestra we played the really famous piece from swan lake (the one in b minor). during one of the sectionals we had, the instructor was telling us about the heart beat rhythm at the end of this symphony’s 4th movement and how it was kinda similar to the end of the piece we were playing. i had listened to this symphony before, but i never noticed that little detail until then. the 4th movement imo is such a good representation of just utter despair. the heart beat rhythm slowly fading out at the end is truly one of the most heartbreaking things i’ve ever listened too. this symphony really resonates with me and tchaik will always be one of my fav composers
40:45-43:00 One of the most chilling passages in the symphony for me. Almost a glimmer of hope as the strings reach higher and higher, yet painful resignation and premonition of death. I get shivers down my spine during these few minutes (as with many other parts, of course). Also, as someone who experiences synesthesia (chromesthesia, sound to color), I truly feel the colors at play in this 4th movement. Curious if anyone else feels similarly.
Rimsky-Korsakov and Scriabin had synesthesia (color hearing). Rimsky-Korsakov's music is often called "sound painting". They wrote music based on their color sensations.
15:47 if you want something strong after a dose of chilling
I listen to an eclectic variety of music, though I'm primarily a metal head. My father, God rest his soul, drove everywhere listening to 89.1 classical wmht upstate ny station and I became a wonderous fan.
I thought I heard a majority of Tchaikovsky's works until this. Wow. Awe inspiring...
pretty sure classical music had an influence on metal music!
I remember my mother singing the main theme of the first movement when I was a young child. She loved Tchaikovsky, and so do I! I've played the 6th symphony once and have the pleasure of playing it this weekend, probably the last time for me. The piece is very emotional, written from the heart of a master who worried about whether he was good enough... Hard to believe that someone like Tchaikovsky could have such self-doubt, yet somehow I feel that maybe that is what drove him to perfection and what a great gem for all of us to listen or play it. And bravo to Frankfurt Radio Symphony for a fantastic rendition of a timeless classic.
Loved the long silent pause he included at the end. It just wouldn’t feel right to clap right after that dramatic quiet ending.
I just love this work! When I was a teenager I played the bassoon in the Scottish Youth Orchestra for several years, and this was one of the pieces we played. Wonderful experience.
Gordon! What are you waiting for? PICK it up Again and play, man, play!!
Is there any more deeply affecting music than this? I wonder how Nadeshza von Meck reacted to it? We're born alone and we die alone. Much sadness and despair along the way. No one conveyed it better in music than this man. What a great orchestra this is. I've listened almost nightly for a month. These players are my telefriends. God bless them all.
18:12 so sweet and gentle ❤️ I adore that melody
Funny, the timestamp matches another great piece of Tchaikovsky. 😉
@@xeroeddie 😊 which piece is it?
@@Casandrargentina 1812 Overture 🙂
Bonjour le couac à 27 min, entre le premier violon et la chef d'orchestre, savez vous, erreur de mesure ? Merci.
10:55 unexpected ffff causes cameramen get confused :p
lolol. You sir or madam, are FUNNY.
you made me laugh
Scares the heck out of me pretty regularly. Even 60 years on after that first time, when I was 10 years old.
cagin ssinfonia fantastica
cagin simfonia fantastica
That final movement breaks my heart. Nine days after the premiere Tchaikovsky was dead. Did he know? RIP, left a wonderful legacy in his music.
Нет, он не знал. Чайковский Пётр Ильич, умер от тифа,выпив сырой воды в кафе. Но этот шедевр будет жить в веках! Это божественное произведение! Величайший талант и фантастическое исполнение, как трогательно и прекрасно- до слёз!
The first movement is a journey through contrasting emotional states, an unstable mind trying to find meaning. The second movement is some stability, just general contentedness and calmness with a hint of unease - even the pleasing and calming melody is made unstable by the 5/4 rhythm. The third movement is unbridled, unstable, insane ecstacy, hedonism, the last hurrah. The final movement is the giving up point - the final journey towards certain, tragic and meaningless death.
Thank you. I wish there was more in this comments section about the unbridled and intense gaiety of the third and the sweeping passions of the first.
it’s incredibly difficult to play, and it’s incredibly emotional. i’m very thankful to be playing this in just my sophomore year of HS. seeing it in concert motivated me even more.
I have been in love with this symphony for all my life. Thank you Tschaikovsky and many thanks to all the fine musicians that performed it for us.
Tchaikovsky wrote many masterpieces and many of these works have moved into popular consciousness. But it is this symphony that is his greatest legacy to us all and his most profound and perfect work. The wonderful FR play out of their skins in this sometimes frightening and always innovative work. Bringuier shows an understanding greater than his years. It always tires me out, this symphony, but I love every moment of it. My favourite performance will always be Ferenc Fricsay's (with this very orchestra) but this, at times, comes close. Devastating and wonderful in equal measure. Thank you for allowing us to hear it.
FIRST TIME READ ABOUT THE HUNGARIAN CONDUCTOR FERENC FRICSAY. I HEARD A MUSICIAN FROM ORCHESTRE DU FRANCE TALKING... ABOUT HIM...SAID THAT MAESTRO FRI SAY WAS VERY DIFFICULT TO FOLLOW BECAUSE MUSIC WAS VERY CLEAR IN HIS MIND.,AND HE WANTS TO HEARD EVERY NOTE OF THE SCORE. JUST AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!!!! THANKS MICHAEL TO BRING UP THIS EXCELENT MUSICIAN I SAW IHIM INTERNET ONE OF HIS REHERSALS THE MOLDAU BY SMETANA. WITH VIENNA PHILARMONIC..
@@miguelgondi3843 Thank you for sharing that, Miguel. It's always a pleasure to hear that performance from the great Hungarian Master.
Despite its centuries-old existence, classical music remains evergreen and continues to inspire future generations. It is an essential part of global culture and art.
Tchaikovsky never knew he would die nine days after the creation of this symphony, and this symphony has nothing to do with death. It is a desperate song of love; this symphony is dedicated to a man he loved, but it was a non-reciprocal love. The last movement probably represent Tchaikovsky's despair and infinite sadness at not being able to live his love.
Thanks for the information, i really apreciate it Sir.
Many scholars would disagree with this. Since it is quite likely that he was a suicide, many consider it to be a suicide note. Homophobic political powers had told Tchaikovsky he must kill himself, so he composed the last movement, conducted the premiere, and then drank cholera infected water.
Oh, he definitely knew. The entire journey of despair, decision, and resignation is in that last movement.
@@paulsomers6048 In those times there was no knowledge of what water is infested with Cholera bacteria. If he died of cholera, I doubt it was a suicide act, it's even more tragic.
@@ancamg His mother died of cholera as Well! People knew what cholera was, they just didn't know how to treat it. Back then people used to boil water before drinking. So the fact that he drank unboiled water, which is against his habit as he, and most people of that time, boiled water before drinking. You simply just don't forget to do something that you've been doing your whole life. So yeah, pretty sure he committed suicide. And the fact that he did it, makes this piece even more beautiful for me. So I choose to accept this reality. You may choose whatever you desire.
The pause on the 4th movement finale by the magnificent conductor is both a solitude move to the composer and a sort of protest to the 3rd movement ending of early claps. Well done mystro Lionel Bringuier. Another wonderful performance and recognition of the master composer P.I. Tchaikovsky's farewell to this world and his magnificent accomplished life!
Its achingly beautiful, it's amazing how Petya managed to describe his biography in four moves. Its a symphony of struggle, his personal struggle, of misunderstanding and prejudice… and the terrifying sadness of his personal farewell in his adagio, there is no pride, just a person who struggled to show through music the painful experience of someone who was born posthumous .
It's lovely that you call him Petya.
@@StefanoMontaniaccording to russian culture it’s rude. “Petya” is reserved for family and friends.
"just a person who struggled to show through music the painful experience of someone who was born posthumous."
Or, maybe also, the painful experience of someone who was born gay in XIX century's Russia... Even now many LGBT+ people still have distressing lifes in Putin's Russia. Some people may keep going but others... unfortunately decided to not to live anymore... And that's really very sad... There's no hope actually... No hope... no... no.
God damn that’s cringe…
Me encanta ese final con silencio tan prolongado. Es lo que merece la profundidad de ese último movimiento. A veces se nos van las manos a aplaudir antes de tiempo cuando lo que la música realmente pide es escuchar interiormente el eco de los últimos compases.
No tengo palabras
Personal archive:
00:40---> (I)
2:46
4:30
6:32
11:15
21:16----> (II)
25:40
28:01
29:17---> (III)
30:33
34:39
37:50
38:20--->(IV)
43:02
45:05
47:38
thank you
don’t forget 43:25!
@@wooogie672 it's a personal archive for me to see whenever i come back to this video. But thanks that was a beautiful moment
@@knownanonymous1691 ik lol i was just giving u another moment that u could add :))
edit: as in like, i think u would also like that moment
@@wooogie672 yes as i said, i did enjoy it.
Thank you a lot.
Actually your reply made me come back to the video and watch it again for which i'm thankful to you.
Tchaikovsky's music is so beautiful 🥺🥺
The entire thing is phenomenal, but honestly, the second movement is just such a beautiful piece just in itself, it has an even... self-contained fulfillment. Just a beautiful waltz, masterfully using a strange time signature.
El mas grande y psicosinfonico de todos los tiempo. Si el hubiese vivido 200 años....no alcanzo a imaginar que mas habria creado para la humanidad. El Zar, el autentico Zar de Rusia por derecho propio. Gloria al Zar P. I. Tchaikovsky
There are few works that affect me as deeply as this one. It is just overwhelming. And I am not in general a huge Tchaikovsky fan. This performance is excellent.
Without question, the most emotional classical pieces that I love.
8:00 - 10:55 the melodies is so beautiful ❤️
What a marvelous and infinite moment of silence at the end of such master piece, Hail Maestro Bringuier.
Мне посчастливилось впервые эту симфонию слушать в тогда еще Лениграде. Дирижировал Е.А. Мравинский. Это был конец 60-е годов. Этот оркестр приближается к тому каноническому исполнению. Удручает, что на таком концерте так много свободных мест...
Да,время идёт и лишь музыка- вечность! Это шедевр,который не сравним ни с чем, это наше наследие,которое подарил Пётр Ильич,став навеки бессмертным для всего мира!
Today 180 years ago was born the greatest russian composer Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky
Сегодня 180 лет со дня рождения величайшего российского композитора Петра Ильича Чайковского
It is so interesting and breathtaking to realise how mathematics - and music is pure mathematics - is so intrinsically interlinked with human emotions. Tchaikovsky could express emotions so beautifully through mathematics like anyone else!
Mathematics is being used in theoretical physics to predict positions of invisible cosmic objects located billions light-years away from us and, at the same time, through mathematics one is able to draw emotions out of human soul. Emotions, a substance which is (emotions) so hard to define otherwise..
Simply put, precision combined with mistery.
Excellent interpretation of this masterpiece.
This has been my favorite work for over 30 years and when I heard Bringuier's interpretation I put it at the top of my playlist.
The average audience these days is uneducated in classical and romantic works. Clapping between the 3rd and 4th movement of the 6th symphony is something I’d expect from 99% of the planet; there’s no shame in it. But this isn’t just any arrangement - it’s a beautiful and inconclusive performance... that is, until the 4th movement removes the metaphorical blindfold.
Fantastic.
fantastic your comment
Most people do not understand the concept "attacca subito", indicating that the following movement is to be begun without a break. This is what Tchaikovsky clearly wanted here, to highlight the extreme contrast between the two. This the conductor clearly understands. A break between 3 and 4 kills the effect the finale.
The Symphony That Explains Everything About 2023.
😓Solo puedo imaginar,🤯 ¿Cuántos recuerdos pasaban por la mente de Tschaikowsky cuando estaba componiendo esta obra maestra?🥺 Puedo sentir el lamento de un inminente fin, pero a la vez la pasión que invadía su cuerpo mientras componía. En el segundo MOV puedo sentir las alegrías vividas, los momentos de felicidad, pero como he de esperase no demora en llegar los valles de dolor, sufrimiento, melancolía, desamor y lamentables premoniciones. Pero Tschaikowsky luego se da cuenta que estos valles fueron necesarios para formarlo, WOW es que es una obra maestra, cada vez que escucho está Sinfonía siempre debo escucharla dos veces porque es que el alma y espíritu de Tschaikowsky quedan dentro de mi y quiero terminar de entenderlo pero es que cada vez que vuelvo y la escucho Tschaikowsky me dice cosas distintas y nuevas, lo que antes era desamor ahora es amor, lo que fue dolor ahora es gozo, y lo que era alegría se transforma en melancolía... SIMPlMENTE gracias Tschaikowsky y por supuesto Lionel Bringuier y toda la Orquesta,🥺 sublime interpretación !!
Bravissimi!!!!!!!!! Pezzo difficilissimo, ma con una delle orchestra così non c'è problema, grazie per l'emozioni che ci date!!!!
A true masterpiece by one of the G.O.A.T.!
Does there exist any composition, that this Orchestra is incapable of absolutely executing to perfection? Once again, Bravo!
GRANDE! 💝. Los que aún estamos vivos tenemos la suerte de poder empaparnos del sentimiento, de la genialidad, del alma del Maestro.
This orchestra has since moved up a gear from even this wonderful performance. I live stream on You Tube and they have turned into one of the best orchestras in the world. But even here you can almost feel the "love" with every note they play. Fantastic.
3:22 two cello players look at each other and she smiles.....hmmmm..
Her: :Uh what did you just do?"
Him: "Oh god she knows I messed up-"
They secretly have sex between the concerts
@@user-vs5rj7gy8t wtf HAHAHAHAHAH
The reply went from most feasible to absolutely the worst theory possible
There's some love
Why people hate those who applaud when it's not "allowed". I don't think it's a crime. It's good that people come to listen to the orchestra even if they mistake like this. It's much better than to stay home and ignore classical music at all.
I completely agree in this case. Just have a look at Chungs interpretation on TH-cam - he let the audience clap and started the fourth movement after that. In my opinion, the third movement of the Pathétique should be treated in a special way but that doesn't mean that everyone shall clap between movements in every symphony, even if it's played brilliantly.
As I understand, in Italy, during the time of Rossini, it was normal to applaud whenever they felt like it.
We don't hate people who applaud like this. We love them. It gives us a chance to look down our noses at them, and looking down noses is what noses are for. (In today's world their olfactory function has atrophied from overstimulation.)
Tchaikovsky specifically marked for there to be continuity from movement 3-4. An expression of gratitude towards the musicians doesn’t bother me, but stopping a piece half way does. Silence is part of music and Tchaikovsky did not put clapping in his score
It's better than not being there, but it's better yet to stay quiet
Un día voy a escuchar esta pieza en vivo y no podré resistir las lágrimas.
Gracias Chaikovski por condensar el amor, el dolor y la frustración en una obra tan majestuosa, tan abrumadora.
Honestly I don't have words to describe how amazing this is
Эта симфония П.И. Чайковского очень эмоциональна, так,
что затрагивает человека до глубины души! И свою прекрасную
долю этого внесли музыканты из Франкфурта. Большой им
респект и самые добрые пожелания! Так же большое спасибо
всем, кто участвовал в записи концерта и показе концерта
по каналу Ютуб!
the conductor is a seriously handsome man: what fortune to have such talent and such good looks.
the end is sooo dark and sad, Tschaikowsky fading into Nothing, Life is over
He still lives in his great music. To me the passage which start's at 45:28 is the key passage of this symphony.
Interpretação extraordinária do Regente Lionel Bringuier. Mergulhar em Tchaikowsky é muito difícil. Excelente!