Someone else mentioned but you really should look into DC power distribution The power bricks you get with the lights as standard are also quite ineffecient when it comes to AC to DC switching. Would be very easy to run a large power supply to a fused bus bar and then a single cable out to each light. Do the same thing with your pumps aswell and out in a second power supply and a redundancy module if you are worried Extra low DC voltage is very low risk as long as you remember to put fuses in to protect the wiring from a dead short.
@@TheBobby416 LEDs don't kill the electric bill... everything else absolutely does. What I don't understand is that it's been proven time and time again that the cheap Chinese LED fixtures on ebay grow coral and could even be used for freshwater setups....I don't see the value in a lot of coral lighting setups these days.
@@GSP-76 I like you, and the way you think. Just coral. That I do not get to eat. But if you try to grow coral, and imitate natural environment. For the health and color. Not just orange or red color of the coral. Something to put some time to. Like have sex and no child. Or drug and no cure. Stuff like that
Amazing upgrade. Maybe in the future you could add some kind of skirt hung off the light frame to reduce lighting from blinding you. Just an idea. Amazing upgrade though. Curious do you have each light numbered and linked to mobiius. Tuning 30 lights looks like it could be quite the task.
We will be assigning them different programs in groups to have low and high light areas for different kinds of corals. Probably in groups of 6-9 lights.
I have a question what kind of par were you getting when you were running T fives I'm thinking of getting one of them T5 fixtures that you were showing back in a day LEDs are just too much money in my opinion
There was definitely volume savings on the lights, but that means I am buying a LOT of lights. I haven't counted, but I'm sure we have bought over 100 XR30's for the new building so anything starts getting expensive when you start adding two zeros to the end of it. For this project, I think the hanging hardware alone was $1000 from amazon.
Only changes I would make: 1) Use a 2x8 and put the power bricks and wires above the hanging platform so they are out of sight 2) Mount lights closer to the hood 3) Add a wench or some method to raise and lower the hoods
Good ideas. The only problem with #1 is that there is going to be water accumulation on the top of the canopy. Anything on top will be dripped on or sitting in a puddle.
One way you could clean up power cables is 3rd party PSU's and connect 4-6 LEDs to a single PSU. XR15 use standart 90W meanwell ac dc power supplies .. so you could just get a 400W or 750W psu and connect multiple light to it.
Interesting idea. I don't have a lot of experience and comfort working with electrical devices, but I do have positive experiences with meanwell power supplies.
@@tidalgardens Well MW they have a WIDE selection of power supplies. Generic, LED specific, specialty. In all sizes and shapes. For DC power the only important thing is to match Voltage and PSU power output > power consumed. You would have to splice your own cables (no worries about jacks - all are standard sizes) but then you then can get the cables exactly the length you need. Also MW psu are very affordable. I consolidated all my 3 tunze refugium bars under 1 100W (a bit overkill). Thinking about doing the same with 3 XR15g5. And my 2 maxspec xf350 gyres are running off 1 MW psu that has battery backup feature (granted that has extra bit to boost Battery voltage when charging and to stabilise at 24V when running on battery - PSU does not have a full blown battery charger just a hand over relay). Also if you have any PSU check meanwell site for repalcemnet instead of Original - will save 50%+ and will probably get better quality psu.
How did you set up the lights? Are they all synced or does one tank have a different light schedule and spectrum? Are you making any changes using the Mobius app?
Of all the power strips in this whole place those are the best protected by far. Protecting electrical devices in a greenhouse is always an ongoing battle.
No, you don't want to do a stand like this. It was something we tried 10 years ago and never changed. If I was to do this all again it would be made out of aluminum.
@@tidalgardens haha no I definitely don't, but if that setup can hold tanks that size, for ten years, it's a good proof of concept that the stand didn't need to be this perfect, exact, masterpiece. It seems that the general consensus is that stands need to be exact exact, perfect, like a piece of marble and then you're supposed to add a leveling mats. It's getting out of hand. I've watched people get just attacked for making a 2x4 stand. That's why I was curious about it. Thanks
as any tradesman will tell you, once you're on the battery system you will literally buy every thing that brand makes! :D I know Makita does coffee makers, jackets and boom boxes on their 12v battery system.
Than, what became of all the original stock corals that were in the tank? I was thinking the sudden lighting upgrade would be quite the shock to the corals that were in there already.
The lights are not on full power so the transition went fine. The corals in the greenhouse are quite used to changes in light. The summer months hit them with 4x the intensity for 2x the photoperiod. Changing light fixtures for those corals is pretty minor.
Looks great! Is a predominantly blue spectrum common among coral farmers? I was under the impression that most corals grow far faster under daylight spectrum than under blue lighting.
Hello, I’m 13 years old and from Bangladesh 🇧🇩. I’m planning to start a 120 gallon mixed reef tank next year. Can u tell me what would be a good fish and invert stocking? (clownfishes, nassarius snails, trochus snails and red fire shrimp are a must obviously 🙄) Pls. I am asking you now as I want to finish all of my proper research in the fishes before getting them as I want to give the, a good home. And one more thing, can I use 6,000 Kelvin led flood light (white) for my refugium? Ik this comment is too big and I’m sorry for that. But any reply would be of great help for me.
Everywhere I shop for corals seems to use Radions, I've been debating replacing my AI Prime 16 HD for the sole reason of having the same kind of light.
If you are happy with your lights there is no reason to switch. The corals are highly adaptable. A big reason a lot of stores like Ecotech is because they have very good customer service.
Be careful of the amps on those plug strips and the circuit it is on. Each fixture is gonna at 100% may pull just over 1 amp so if you have 30 you should be using at least 30 amps I would def test it. Even on a 30 amp breaker the plug strip probably is not rated for that much amperage
That is a good point. We upgraded the electrical in the greenhouse recently and I requested an abundance of 20A circuits within easy access for all devices. This particular system has access to 5 separate 20A circuits if we wanted.
Having a top on your lighting rack will act as a heat and moisture trap and will probably shorten the life of your 30 power supplies - you would have been better off having an inch gap between the ABS and frame for the heat to dissipate 🤔
It is worse when they are uncovered and allowed to get direct sun from the greenhouse. An air gap is a good idea though. In the summer months it is less of an issue because the building is a giant air tunnel with the exhaust fan.
You are a coral farmer. Not a living room or display tank. Why would u not hire an electrical engineer and make your own light system using 3w or 5w led's? You have so much space.
... dude - retail prices on LED's are not cheap. And a good electrician is doubly not cheap. Also Electrician is not Electronics Engineer - someone needs to design those lights. Who? Source the parts? Who? That is a lot of expensive man hours. Do you know what LED's to use? What to do when something breaks? Call Same electrician again? What if they do not perform? DIY LED solutions are for hobbyist EEs not coral farmers.
@@TheDancing0wind radions are $900 each retail. Do u think this is cheap. Thanks for trying to correct me but like I said, hirer an engineer, not an electrician. Let's are net very complicated. If it is over your head that is fine. If hobbyists can do it so can professionals, clear your argument could be made about propagating coral as well.
@@ILmachiner xr15 are 450. Snd you missed the point. If Stan wanted to muck around with LED that would be fine but he is not an electric engineer and he has a business to run. A coral farm business - not an electronics design business. Its extra research, extra work, extra uncertinty and extra RISK. These are not off the shelf LED strips we are talking here. Now if you had an actual design, BoM and work hour count and rates maybe you would have a more convincing argument. If a hobbyist can do it does not nesscessary make a viable strategy for a large scale business. In my experience most of the time its the opposite.
While the prior system had a good deal of common sense ingenuity, the new one is very elegant.
Congratulations to your crew.
Thanks for the video,
Jim
Thank you very much!
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Yeah now it looks really slick and tight !
I am very happy with how much cleaner it looks compared to what it was before.
The bending on the base plywood is scary :O
Nice upgrade
Did I just count 30 Radions?
Why didn't you just frag a little piece of the sun?
Someone else mentioned but you really should look into DC power distribution
The power bricks you get with the lights as standard are also quite ineffecient when it comes to AC to DC switching.
Would be very easy to run a large power supply to a fused bus bar and then a single cable out to each light.
Do the same thing with your pumps aswell and out in a second power supply and a redundancy module if you are worried
Extra low DC voltage is very low risk as long as you remember to put fuses in to protect the wiring from a dead short.
That lighting is insane!
Sure is. But it is bad as. So much light.... Wow. The power
@@TheBobby416 LEDs don't kill the electric bill... everything else absolutely does. What I don't understand is that it's been proven time and time again that the cheap Chinese LED fixtures on ebay grow coral and could even be used for freshwater setups....I don't see the value in a lot of coral lighting setups these days.
@@GSP-76 I like you, and the way you think. Just coral. That I do not get to eat. But if you try to grow coral, and imitate natural environment. For the health and color. Not just orange or red color of the coral. Something to put some time to.
Like have sex and no child.
Or drug and no cure. Stuff like that
It turned out really nice
Amazing upgrade. Maybe in the future you could add some kind of skirt hung off the light frame to reduce lighting from blinding you. Just an idea. Amazing upgrade though.
Curious do you have each light numbered and linked to mobiius. Tuning 30 lights looks like it could be quite the task.
We will be assigning them different programs in groups to have low and high light areas for different kinds of corals. Probably in groups of 6-9 lights.
I would love to work at your Company. You have so much Passion in what you are doing. Greetings from Germany.🙂
Thank you very much!
I have a question what kind of par were you getting when you were running T fives I'm thinking of getting one of them T5 fixtures that you were showing back in a day LEDs are just too much money in my opinion
Well 11-12 grand in just one tank better give good par numbers and spread 😂
In australia thatd cost $30,000 🤣🤣🤣
I don't think he payed alot for this lights ...
@@TheVranica haha probably not
There was definitely volume savings on the lights, but that means I am buying a LOT of lights. I haven't counted, but I'm sure we have bought over 100 XR30's for the new building so anything starts getting expensive when you start adding two zeros to the end of it. For this project, I think the hanging hardware alone was $1000 from amazon.
Wholesale license
X-r 15 blues are sweet,I have two and I love them.
I have two xr15 blues as well. I'm super curious your tanks size, light settings, and par if you have measured, andresults.
Only changes I would make:
1) Use a 2x8 and put the power bricks and wires above the hanging platform so they are out of sight
2) Mount lights closer to the hood
3) Add a wench or some method to raise and lower the hoods
Good ideas. The only problem with #1 is that there is going to be water accumulation on the top of the canopy. Anything on top will be dripped on or sitting in a puddle.
I would love to know the settings you are using on those lights. I have the same ones. But only two.
We will be assigning them different programs in groups to have low and high light areas for different kinds of corals.
One way you could clean up power cables is 3rd party PSU's and connect 4-6 LEDs to a single PSU.
XR15 use standart 90W meanwell ac dc power supplies .. so you could just get a 400W or 750W psu and connect multiple light to it.
Interesting idea. I don't have a lot of experience and comfort working with electrical devices, but I do have positive experiences with meanwell power supplies.
@@tidalgardens Well MW they have a WIDE selection of power supplies. Generic, LED specific, specialty. In all sizes and shapes. For DC power the only important thing is to match Voltage and PSU power output > power consumed. You would have to splice your own cables (no worries about jacks - all are standard sizes) but then you then can get the cables exactly the length you need. Also MW psu are very affordable. I consolidated all my 3 tunze refugium bars under 1 100W (a bit overkill). Thinking about doing the same with 3 XR15g5. And my 2 maxspec xf350 gyres are running off 1 MW psu that has battery backup feature (granted that has extra bit to boost Battery voltage when charging and to stabilise at 24V when running on battery - PSU does not have a full blown battery charger just a hand over relay).
Also if you have any PSU check meanwell site for repalcemnet instead of Original - will save 50%+ and will probably get better quality psu.
Hello can you post a link to such a psu?
Just a smidge bigger than my lighting at home 🤣
How did you set up the lights? Are they all synced or does one tank have a different light schedule and spectrum? Are you making any changes using the Mobius app?
Yes, we are using Mobius. We will be assigning them different programs in groups to have low and high light areas for different kinds of corals.
I love your videos
Video should be named, I Put 13K worth of lights on my aquarium. I assume it was much more with all the custom mounts. Looks great Than.
I love this gave me an idea for my build
I'm glad. That's why we are sharing what we did and hearing about what people would do differently.
Hmmm looks great my only problem is the power strips. wouldn't humidity and condensation some how get into the open sockets 🤔
Of all the power strips in this whole place those are the best protected by far. Protecting electrical devices in a greenhouse is always an ongoing battle.
Y'all be cray cray!
Sounds accurate.
Nice build , the stand is scaring me a bit
It's not a good stand, but it worked so far for 10 years. If I were to rebuild this system, all of it would be aluminum.
Do you use Mobius to control the LEDs? Also are they all running the same program?
We will be assigning them different programs in groups to have low and high light areas for different kinds of corals.
Should do a quick video on those home made aquarium stands. I know the waving messed with me a little and would really enjoy how you did it that way.
No, you don't want to do a stand like this. It was something we tried 10 years ago and never changed. If I was to do this all again it would be made out of aluminum.
@@tidalgardens haha no I definitely don't, but if that setup can hold tanks that size, for ten years, it's a good proof of concept that the stand didn't need to be this perfect, exact, masterpiece. It seems that the general consensus is that stands need to be exact exact, perfect, like a piece of marble and then you're supposed to add a leveling mats. It's getting out of hand. I've watched people get just attacked for making a 2x4 stand. That's why I was curious about it. Thanks
At THIS height, there must be a LOT of light from the outer Radions, that doesn´t get into the tank... even from the middle ones.
as any tradesman will tell you, once you're on the battery system you will literally buy every thing that brand makes! :D I know Makita does coffee makers, jackets and boom boxes on their 12v battery system.
It is very true. I do like the DeWalt batteries, especially the 60v flexvolt stuff.
Hey Than,
Did you win the lottery and not share with us? Lol.
Please keep the updates coming.
Yo Than is your store online only or can people shop in person?
Than, what became of all the original stock corals that were in the tank? I was thinking the sudden lighting upgrade would be quite the shock to the corals that were in there already.
The lights are not on full power so the transition went fine. The corals in the greenhouse are quite used to changes in light. The summer months hit them with 4x the intensity for 2x the photoperiod. Changing light fixtures for those corals is pretty minor.
Love it thx for the video great one 👍😊
Glad you enjoyed it
That is ... a lot of fixtures. Looking at the size of the tank, have you aver considered trying the phillyps coral care lights?
I would like to try them at some point on a smaller tank.
Watch out for the power of the xr15 blues, they are very powerful all channels at 100% on AB+
Incredible
Looks great! Is a predominantly blue spectrum common among coral farmers? I was under the impression that most corals grow far faster under daylight spectrum than under blue lighting.
Half the team here likes heavy blue, the other half likes more daylight. One of these days we need to do a color up contest.
YESSSSSSSS more videos!!!
Hello, I’m 13 years old and from Bangladesh 🇧🇩. I’m planning to start a 120 gallon mixed reef tank next year. Can u tell me what would be a good fish and invert stocking? (clownfishes, nassarius snails, trochus snails and red fire shrimp are a must obviously 🙄) Pls. I am asking you now as I want to finish all of my proper research in the fishes before getting them as I want to give the, a good home. And one more thing, can I use 6,000 Kelvin led flood light (white) for my refugium? Ik this comment is too big and I’m sorry for that. But any reply would be of great help for me.
I like fish and inverts that do jobs. Get a good herbivore or two and fish that do a good job of cleaning up pests.
@@tidalgardens thanks a lot. I love your videos and watch them all the time . They helped me a lot.
Everywhere I shop for corals seems to use Radions, I've been debating replacing my AI Prime 16 HD for the sole reason of having the same kind of light.
If you are happy with your lights there is no reason to switch. The corals are highly adaptable. A big reason a lot of stores like Ecotech is because they have very good customer service.
😱how many? I wish I could afford only one😩
They're literally $1,000 each. Its insane
I just bought the same laser level I think. Lol. 500 vs 130 or so.
than we love you
I wonder what's the wholesale deal you can get for these lights. 30 is probably more than what my LFS sell in a while year lol
400 watt halides would’ve been so much better and easier and cheaper
I’m the drop of water at 13:47
I wasn't joking when I said it rains in the greenhouse when it is cold out!
Do you see yourself shipping livestock to Canada in the future, or is that just too logistically challenging?
There are hurdles with import export that make it very unattractive and very expensive.
@@tidalgardens makes sense, thanks for the reply.
You should probably have gone with orpheks or hydras, because of the mounting height.
We've got some Orphek lights and are really happy with them. I could see a future where we do more with them.
I have the brand Loyalty thing to for DEWALT
They are pretty good!
Would you be interested in selling me one of those used T5 fixtures
If you are local maybe yes.
Be careful of the amps on those plug strips and the circuit it is on. Each fixture is gonna at 100% may pull just over 1 amp so if you have 30 you should be using at least 30 amps I would def test it. Even on a 30 amp breaker the plug strip probably is not rated for that much amperage
That is a good point. We upgraded the electrical in the greenhouse recently and I requested an abundance of 20A circuits within easy access for all devices. This particular system has access to 5 separate 20A circuits if we wanted.
damn seems like 16 Philips coral cares would have done the trick. hope you got a discount.
At some point, I want to give those a try.
Having a top on your lighting rack will act as a heat and moisture trap and will probably shorten the life of your 30 power supplies - you would have been better off having an inch gap between the ABS and frame for the heat to dissipate 🤔
It is worse when they are uncovered and allowed to get direct sun from the greenhouse. An air gap is a good idea though. In the summer months it is less of an issue because the building is a giant air tunnel with the exhaust fan.
Now I know y they r always sold out...
You are a coral farmer. Not a living room or display tank. Why would u not hire an electrical engineer and make your own light system using 3w or 5w led's? You have so much space.
... dude - retail prices on LED's are not cheap. And a good electrician is doubly not cheap. Also Electrician is not Electronics Engineer - someone needs to design those lights. Who? Source the parts? Who? That is a lot of expensive man hours. Do you know what LED's to use? What to do when something breaks? Call Same electrician again? What if they do not perform?
DIY LED solutions are for hobbyist EEs not coral farmers.
@@TheDancing0wind radions are $900 each retail. Do u think this is cheap. Thanks for trying to correct me but like I said, hirer an engineer, not an electrician. Let's are net very complicated. If it is over your head that is fine. If hobbyists can do it so can professionals, clear your argument could be made about propagating coral as well.
@@ILmachiner xr15 are 450. Snd you missed the point. If Stan wanted to muck around with LED that would be fine but he is not an electric engineer and he has a business to run. A coral farm business - not an electronics design business. Its extra research, extra work, extra uncertinty and extra RISK. These are not off the shelf LED strips we are talking here. Now if you had an actual design, BoM and work hour count and rates maybe you would have a more convincing argument. If a hobbyist can do it does not nesscessary make a viable strategy for a large scale business. In my experience most of the time its the opposite.
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money laundering operation?
second! :P
1st >;P. >;P