This is a very timely video. I have been using Netatmo for the last two years and the system is an unreliable and expensive disaster with batteries sometimes lasting just a week. I love the idea of the rechargeable batteries which will save even more money. So, I have finally decided to bite the bullet and throw Netatmo in the bin. Tado or Evohome will be my new solution. Thanks for all your videos they are really helpful.
Thanks for your extensive review, your review helped me know which Tado components I needed to replace my Evo Home system from 2010. The Tado website does not provide enough information about this and even the Tado helpdesk could not tell me what I needed. So thank you again. The big advantage compared to the Evo Home is that you can control everything remotely, so even if you have forgotten to put your system on holiday mode, which happened to me with the Evo Home, you can still do that anywhere in the world.
Glad Tado X works locally - the previous Tado system wouldn't turn the heating on or off if the internet connection was done - that's why I opted for the Drayton Wiser system which works completely local with Home Assistant - also no subscription with Wiser. At least the Tado X looks like a viable option now.
The perfect review. I considered installing the Honeywell EvoHome around 5 years ago, but Tado X, according to your review seems to be the perfect smart heating system.
@@SmartHomeJunkie Yea I've just looked at British based review of this product, and he did the actual wiring of the wireless item, but was not as comprehensive with the app side of things as you were. Well done.
Do you even need the Tado hub, app etc. for this, or can you just buy the TRVs and control fully with Home Assistant? I've been thinking of switching to a full set of smart TRVs for a while, and moving away from my Google Nest by replacing the boiler controller with a basic Shelly dry contact relay, with automation done fully in Home Assistant.
If your HA can function as a thread border router then you can add the devices directly without using the bridge. You can then control everything in HA.
I notice now that when you click on Device Linking it gives you a list of what you can connect to. Home Assistant is one on that list. Just select and the valve is automatically added to HA, no code copying. I guess this is a new feature and I find it works sometimes but not always. Thank you so much for this video.
@@giorgiolupato6553 I had that issue with some of my valves. 1: Check the strength of the internet connection on your Receiver / Hub, should have all 3 Wi-Fi lights lit. Then remove one of your vales from your install. Take the battery out, reinsert it and immediately press and hold when the Tado icon when it appears and follow the instructions to factory reset the valve. Then install it again. I found that worked for me
I also have Evohome fir years now, I am really happy with, and I do not see the advantage of Tado. What I am also missing with Tado is the screen installed in the living room which the family can use ;-)
Do you really use that screen? I never used that. My family members only turn the knobs on the radiators themselves. But I agree. If you already have a system like Honeywell, there's no need to upgrade.
With the tado now working locally and all the improvements I am tempted to order them when they reach the UK shores. My only issue which brings sadness to me is the change in the display to the screen style one. I loved that the old style was not another screen in the flat and just a lit up thing that did not attract fingerprints, was also more ascetically pleasing for myself. I do not think this is a deal breaker just something I am saddened to lose
Thanks for the video! When using it with the HA matter intergration, do you still need the cloud connection? Will other matter bridges work too, or only the tado bridge? Their website does not adress this. I very much like the system, but I realy want it to be local. I asume that the tado app only works with internet connected?
Very good review! And I really like that Tado states you can use the radiator valves in moisty rooms! I already had an Evohome HR92 dead because of a 'danmp' bathroom or an occasional drop of water. Now have a waahing cloth around the valve permanently. One Q: How do the Tado X valves sound compared to evohome? Evohome, while actuating the valve, can sometimes be heard thorough the pipes in a wall shared with an adjacent room
@SmartHomeJunkie that's encouriging, thanks! (But will probably get me to spend money to switch to Tado X :P ). Otherwise, Evohome has really served us well, also locally from HA (using a stick with evofw3 firmware and ramses_cc )
I've been using the Tado thermostat and it has been excellent. Also using home assistand to activate Tado's away and home mode saves on the Tado subscription.
How can you achieve this? I tried figuring this out but seems only thing I can do is turn all my radiatorknobs on/off. How could you switch the internal home/away status of Tado within Home Assistent?
@@LaurentVanDessel It is one of the options avaiable when adding the thermostat device to an automation, the YAML looks like this: entity_id: climate.hallway_thermostat type: set_preset_mode preset_mode: away
@smarthomejunkie thank you for taking the time to make this video. Am I correct in thinking that you can adjust the temperatures in a room if you are away from the house at work and want it increase the temperature so it is hot by the time you get back home. Thank you = )
Perfect review !! I have my Tado X system since two weeks and was very disapointed by the official "integration". So you can add it with matter-HA but keeping it in the Tado system ?!
How good are the temp sensors in the knobs? Won't they shutdown before actually heating the room completely, because they are so close to the radiator itself?
@@SmartHomeJunkie Actuallyy there's quite some difference between the temperature in my radiatorknobs and my zigbee temperature sensors in the same room (not near the radiator). F.e. in my work room I'm heating at the moment. My zigbee sensor says it's 18.1°C but my radiatorknob states it's 19.5°C. I know you can change the temperature offset but that would also recalculate the temperature when the knob is off (while when not heating the temperate is the same as the zigbee sensor). So actually you don't want to apply this offset when the room is not heating. Or I would think the heating would start too early isn't it?
For some reason I can't add the Wireless temperature Sensor to Home Assistant. I could add the knobs by copying the Matter code. I wanted to do the same for the temperature sensor but there is no button to retrieve the matter code. Any idea of a workaround? :)
I noticed the same in the app yesterday. I guess there's a bug in the Tado app. But, there is a workaround. Use the conpanion app and choose that the device is new. Factory reset the wireless temperature sensor and it will be added. Don't worry, it will still be in the Tado App as well. At least, I've tested this a couple a weeks ago when the same problem occurred in the Tado App. Do you by any chance use an old iPhone? I know there are issues with old ios versions. You may have to report this bug to Tado.
Did you maybe also try to connect a Tado X knob directly to a thread border router, for example the Skyconnect with thread firmware? I'm wondering if that works well and if the same entities are exposed via Matter in Home Assistant. I've recently migrated my Zigbee network from the Skyconnect to the SLZB-06 and the Skyconnect is now available as Thread Border Router.
Yes, I did that and you get the dance entities as I show in the video. Tado does not recommend that method (of course) because they can not support you that way in case of issues.
I have Tado X for a couple of months now. The wireless temperature sensor links perfectly. The temperature is available as an entity in home assistant. However, for the thermostat and the radiator knobs, the temperature is only available as an attribute, which is just stupid. Fortunately in home assistant you can add it as an entity yourself. Finally, the Tado X misses some features which the old system had, like smart start. I still like it!
Thank you for your great review. I have a question regarding boosting the heating. On my old Hive system, my wife can simply go to the wall thermostat and boost the overall heating for 1-6 hours. Is this possible on the tado-x wall thermostat please? and possibly the app for me. Also if you have the tado smart radioator thermostats installed, would this change the temperatures on all these, (including the ones set to low, which I seldom use) as I simply wish to boost the boiler and radiators that are scheduled to be on at the specific time and not change any radiator thermostat settings. Many thanks to anyone who can clarify this.
Really nice thermostats, bought them at a special offer here in germany. Only problem so far: Your blueprint is not working entirely right. After the window is closed again the Thermostat is set to manual mode and not back in it's schedule. I think it's related to the tado API for the X, which doesn't support schedules atm, am I right?
Hi thank you for the video very informative, I wanted to know If for example I don't have a smart valve in the kitchen and only have the smart thermostat and I decided to control the temperature of the kitchen from the thermal stat, does that turn all the house radiator on even though they are using the smart valves? or keeps all radiators with the smart valves off and turns heating on only for the radiator that doesn't have the smart valve?
What is the max distance to the Bridge? I use netatmo (legrand/bticino) and this is an annoying issue it has…. (Lakkint good coverage on second floor even les then 10m away…)
You can place multiple thread border routers in your house to prevent that. For instance a homepod mini or any other device that functions as a thread border router.
@ yes to use thread with Ha, but the connection between the radiator valves and the Tado bridge? You got any idea about that? With netatmo thats dramatic!
Can I create a Thread border router with HA and use the Tado app that way? I have the wired Tado thermostat and their website said as long as I got a thread border router I can use it.
You can, but you shouldn't. You won't get firmware updates if you connect directly to home assistant. If you connect through the bridge and then link to home assistant, you get the best of 2 worlds.
@ I guess I am confused cause the Tado website says if you already have a thread border router I don’t need to buy the tado x bridge. I guess I need to order a bridge.
@ any chance you tried with apple homekit i found a manual, and it says then you can use the tado app to add the devices. I don’t know if the radiator valve termostat will communicate with the wired termostat in that case.
Nice Review, Does it support multi zone systems for example ground floor, upstairs and loft with separate loops and valves? Think the important question though is, can you configure the schedules on the TRV without the internet (or even without the app), incase Tado removes the app in the future or limits certain features either due to development cost to maintain or some other reason?
Does this Tado X work with underfloor heating? The living room has underfloor heating, upstairs radiators. Now I have to set the living room thermostat on, to be able to use the radiators upstairs??
I have exactly the same situation here, and i wonder how that works. I also wonder if you then need to replace your current wired dumb thermostat or if you can just leave it idle there?
The only issue I have with tado is the shortest time-range interval they allow for temperature schedules. The bare minimum is 15 minutes where I'd need to increase the temperature to give it a push and there are no other options. What I want to achieve, is that I typically have dinner at 7pm, just before 7pm, I wanna give a 5 minute push to bring some "fresh warmth" to the room, this is not possible via Tado, these short pushes. Maybe anyone has got a better idea!? I'll try this year to create schedule via HA instead, there I can configure whatever I want, but disadvantage, I can never use the auto-schedule anymore 😞 Apart from that, I've been using Tado for 1.5 years now and I couldn't be more satisfied with the system.
@@SmartHomeJunkie I've just checked it again in the app, it weirdly enough has 5 minute intervals, but it automatically pops back to the quarter minute setting, really weird, given that this is a software limitation, why would they allow it for X products but nor for the "legacy" ones...
I prefer the AA batteries above the rechargable batteries, you swap them by new ones and you're done. with this one you need to take is elsewhere, charge it and remember to put it back, during ht whole charging time the radiator isn't regulated.
Also you can (if you're willing to do some wiring) put battery eliminators in AA battery powered devices; two fake 1.5 volt batteries wired to a 3V wall socket power supply. Never swap batteries again.
Hopefully they sell extra batteries so you can just go up to each radiator with a charged battery and exchange them one by one. And does it support leaving a usb c cable permanently connected if the location is annoying?
How do you manage to set the knob back to automatic setting with home assistant? For me it only shows hvac_modes 'off' and 'heat' and 'heat' sets it to manual mode, not automatic.
@@SmartHomeJunkie Ok, I tried scene.create via an automation but the theremostat is still switched to manual mode when activating this scene. At least on my end it doesn't seem to work unfortunately.
I'd honestly prefer AA batteries. Buy some Eneloop Pro rechargeables and just go around and swap them once a year, then recharge the ones you took out. Plus you can get a battery eliminator, two fake 1.5 volt AA shaped blocks that are connected to a 3V wall power supply if you want to entirely eliminate batteries. Of course, then you have to deal with a bunch of electrical wiring, which makes installation much more of a pain. My house is warmed with ground source heat exchange and a central thermostat, but I have been thinking of putting in some Zigbee thermostat valves in the rooms I want cooler than the rest of the house, though. But with a heat exchanger you don't really turn it on or off, just set a house temperature and it takes care of it.
@@SmartHomeJunkie I currently use TADO inside Home Assistant, the older version has cloud control with the TADO Integration, however local control is available also as it uses the HomeKit protocol.
Goh, ik had een Honeywell Chronotherm Touch Modulation thermostaat en deze hield het huis ook niet prettig warm. Achteraf via HomeWizard kan ik het verschil wel zien, en waarschijnlijk zat de Honeywell rond of net onder de laagste aanvoer temperatuur van de CV (Intergas Kombi Kompact HRE 24/18) van 40 graden Celsius te pendelen. Waardoor dus de CV ketel net wel net niet aansloeg. Sinds ik de Tado X heb moet ik bekennen dat ik ook exact dezelfde ervaring heb gehad. Hij moest eerst een paar dagen tot eigenlijk een volle week even in leren, echter is sindsdien het huis echt heel erg lekker en constant warm op 22 graden Celsius. Terwijl ik bij een ingestelde zelfde temperatuur van 22 graden Celsius met de Honeywell zelfs midden op de dag last van koude hadden kreeg in de woonkamer. Het enige nadeel wat ik heb is dat ik in een huurhuis zit waarin nog radiatoren zitten op een 1-pijp systeem met individueel manueel regelbare radiatoren (dus de ouderwetse handmatige draaiknoppen). Aangezien ze hier ook met een warmtenet zijn begonnen in Groningen en de ketel bijna 15 jaar oud is wil ik eerst weten wat de woningbouw gaat doen voordat ik zelf nog maar ga denken aan het vervangen van de radiator regelknoppen voor thermostatische knoppen met Tado X. Toch had ik wel een vraag. In hoeverre haal je die investering eruit met de kostenwinst op de energie rekening aangezien ik dus in meer als alleen de peperdure Tado X knoppen moet investeren, en ga je het ook qua comfort in huis merken? Last but not least... je had het over HomeAssistant. Wat zijn de voor en nadelen van HomeAssistant ten opzichte van een Homey Pro?
Did you compare the temperature on the knobs with a thermometer in the centre of the room? For both Honeywell and Tado? I use floor heating on my ground floor, and radiators on my 1st floor. I measure temperature per room from both my Fibaro smoke sensor and my radiator knobs. As the radiator knobs are close to the wall, when it is cold oudside i see they measure far lower termperatures than the smoke sensor in the middle of the room. F.i. at this moment in my bedroom: 18,3°C according to Smoke sensor, 16,5°C according to radiator knob.
Yes, the temperature on the knob is always off because it's close to the radiator. That's why there is an option to change the offset of the temperature for each knob.
We tried to wire the receiver today, everything connected, app found all the devices, but when asked for the heating, the boiler did not start and showed a fault message, something about the external sensor... We wanted to change from our old Vitotrol 300 wired thermostat to the Tado x wireless one, but ended up not having any heat... Will have to call a technician...
I think the internal rechargeable battery is not a good idea. The previous generation uses AA batteries. So replacing the batteries takes a couple of seconds.
It's a nice device but I disagree with the batteries. Having a "custom" battery which is basically non replaceable for smart heating is just terrible. While you might be able to buy replacement from Tado, it will be a shelf battery with not a much of charge left. After couple of years, you will have to charge it weekly. This is why I prefer AA batteries because those will be available for quite a while.
My mind was blown by the tado° X heating system. What do you think? Any thoughts?
This is a very timely video. I have been using Netatmo for the last two years and the system is an unreliable and expensive disaster with batteries sometimes lasting just a week. I love the idea of the rechargeable batteries which will save even more money. So, I have finally decided to bite the bullet and throw Netatmo in the bin. Tado or Evohome will be my new solution. Thanks for all your videos they are really helpful.
Where is Tado based. When it is from non western country it is waste of time to listen till end. Please always start tado is based ...
Does Tado also having a valve for floor heating?
@ Germany
Wonder about the gas usage last days (we had some cold days in netherlands ;) )?
Thanks for your extensive review, your review helped me know which Tado components I needed to replace my Evo Home system from 2010. The Tado website does not provide enough information about this and even the Tado helpdesk could not tell me what I needed. So thank you again. The big advantage compared to the Evo Home is that you can control everything remotely, so even if you have forgotten to put your system on holiday mode, which happened to me with the Evo Home, you can still do that anywhere in the world.
Ehm, I could do that with my Evohome system as well. 🤷🏼♂️
My Evo system was older …
@@koossmedes Ah okay!
Glad Tado X works locally - the previous Tado system wouldn't turn the heating on or off if the internet connection was done - that's why I opted for the Drayton Wiser system which works completely local with Home Assistant - also no subscription with Wiser. At least the Tado X looks like a viable option now.
The perfect review. I considered installing the Honeywell EvoHome around 5 years ago, but Tado X, according to your review seems to be the perfect smart heating system.
I'm glad you like it. I think it's one of my better reviews as well.
@@SmartHomeJunkie Yea I've just looked at British based review of this product, and he did the actual wiring of the wireless item, but was not as comprehensive with the app side of things as you were. Well done.
Do you even need the Tado hub, app etc. for this, or can you just buy the TRVs and control fully with Home Assistant? I've been thinking of switching to a full set of smart TRVs for a while, and moving away from my Google Nest by replacing the boiler controller with a basic Shelly dry contact relay, with automation done fully in Home Assistant.
If your HA can function as a thread border router then you can add the devices directly without using the bridge. You can then control everything in HA.
I notice now that when you click on Device Linking it gives you a list of what you can connect to. Home Assistant is one on that list. Just select and the valve is automatically added to HA, no code copying. I guess this is a new feature and I find it works sometimes but not always. Thank you so much for this video.
Ah, that's good to know!
I can't find "Device Linking" anywhere. I tried on Settings-Devices but once I open the device I do not find anything similar to device linking :)
@@giorgiolupato6553 I had that issue with some of my valves. 1: Check the strength of the internet connection on your Receiver / Hub, should have all 3 Wi-Fi lights lit. Then remove one of your vales from your install. Take the battery out, reinsert it and immediately press and hold when the Tado icon when it appears and follow the instructions to factory reset the valve. Then install it again. I found that worked for me
I'm in the same issue, no device linking option in the tado app. Did someone solve it?
Just factory reset and add it again
I also have Evohome fir years now, I am really happy with, and I do not see the advantage of Tado. What I am also missing with Tado is the screen installed in the living room which the family can use ;-)
Do you really use that screen? I never used that. My family members only turn the knobs on the radiators themselves. But I agree. If you already have a system like Honeywell, there's no need to upgrade.
Yes, all the time, specially in winter ... also when scheduling need to be updated !
With the tado now working locally and all the improvements I am tempted to order them when they reach the UK shores. My only issue which brings sadness to me is the change in the display to the screen style one. I loved that the old style was not another screen in the flat and just a lit up thing that did not attract fingerprints, was also more ascetically pleasing for myself. I do not think this is a deal breaker just something I am saddened to lose
Is this compatible with system boilers or just combi boilers on opentherm
Thanks for the video! When using it with the HA matter intergration, do you still need the cloud connection? Will other matter bridges work too, or only the tado bridge? Their website does not adress this. I very much like the system, but I realy want it to be local. I asume that the tado app only works with internet connected?
Very good review! And I really like that Tado states you can use the radiator valves in moisty rooms!
I already had an Evohome HR92 dead because of a 'danmp' bathroom or an occasional drop of water. Now have a waahing cloth around the valve permanently.
One Q: How do the Tado X valves sound compared to evohome? Evohome, while actuating the valve, can sometimes be heard thorough the pipes in a wall shared with an adjacent room
Good question! The Tado radiator knobs are really quiet compared to the Evohome radiator knobs.
@SmartHomeJunkie that's encouriging, thanks! (But will probably get me to spend money to switch to Tado X :P ).
Otherwise, Evohome has really served us well, also locally from HA (using a stick with evofw3 firmware and ramses_cc )
I've been using the Tado thermostat and it has been excellent. Also using home assistand to activate Tado's away and home mode saves on the Tado subscription.
How can you achieve this? I tried figuring this out but seems only thing I can do is turn all my radiatorknobs on/off. How could you switch the internal home/away status of Tado within Home Assistent?
@@LaurentVanDessel It is one of the options avaiable when adding the thermostat device to an automation, the YAML looks like this: entity_id: climate.hallway_thermostat
type: set_preset_mode
preset_mode: away
@@Sevenn884 mm, I don't seem to have that option on a wireless temperature sensor. I can only set the HVAC-mode to off/heat
@smarthomejunkie thank you for taking the time to make this video. Am I correct in thinking that you can adjust the temperatures in a room if you are away from the house at work and want it increase the temperature so it is hot by the time you get back home. Thank you = )
Yes, you are correct!
@@SmartHomeJunkie fantastic thank you very much indeed = )
How does tado work with underfloor heating?
Tado works very good also in Floorheater connect via HA temp. sensor. no need hub
Perfect review !! I have my Tado X system since two weeks and was very disapointed by the official "integration".
So you can add it with matter-HA but keeping it in the Tado system ?!
Yes, it works simultaneously in both systems
How good are the temp sensors in the knobs? Won't they shutdown before actually heating the room completely, because they are so close to the radiator itself?
They heat up gradually. I must say that works pretty well. You can also change the temperature offset for each knob to make them more accurate.
@@SmartHomeJunkie Actuallyy there's quite some difference between the temperature in my radiatorknobs and my zigbee temperature sensors in the same room (not near the radiator). F.e. in my work room I'm heating at the moment. My zigbee sensor says it's 18.1°C but my radiatorknob states it's 19.5°C. I know you can change the temperature offset but that would also recalculate the temperature when the knob is off (while when not heating the temperate is the same as the zigbee sensor). So actually you don't want to apply this offset when the room is not heating. Or I would think the heating would start too early isn't it?
For some reason I can't add the Wireless temperature Sensor to Home Assistant. I could add the knobs by copying the Matter code. I wanted to do the same for the temperature sensor but there is no button to retrieve the matter code. Any idea of a workaround? :)
I noticed the same in the app yesterday. I guess there's a bug in the Tado app. But, there is a workaround. Use the conpanion app and choose that the device is new. Factory reset the wireless temperature sensor and it will be added. Don't worry, it will still be in the Tado App as well. At least, I've tested this a couple a weeks ago when the same problem occurred in the Tado App.
Do you by any chance use an old iPhone? I know there are issues with old ios versions. You may have to report this bug to Tado.
@SmartHomeJunkie no I'm using a pixel 6 so android :)
@ Okay, but still my workaround should work. I believe it's a bug in the Tado app.
@@SmartHomeJunkiejust tried it and it worked! Thanks for the tip
Be good when you can buy a replacement rechargeable battery 😊 you can keep one charged to change over
That's a great idea.
@SmartHomeJunkie Do you have any contacts there to suggest it?
Does it also control the hot water? And where are those controls presented… app, wireless controller, home assistant?
Did you maybe also try to connect a Tado X knob directly to a thread border router, for example the Skyconnect with thread firmware? I'm wondering if that works well and if the same entities are exposed via Matter in Home Assistant. I've recently migrated my Zigbee network from the Skyconnect to the SLZB-06 and the Skyconnect is now available as Thread Border Router.
Yes, I did that and you get the dance entities as I show in the video. Tado does not recommend that method (of course) because they can not support you that way in case of issues.
I have Tado X for a couple of months now. The wireless temperature sensor links perfectly. The temperature is available as an entity in home assistant. However, for the thermostat and the radiator knobs, the temperature is only available as an attribute, which is just stupid. Fortunately in home assistant you can add it as an entity yourself. Finally, the Tado X misses some features which the old system had, like smart start. I still like it!
Thank you for your great review. I have a question regarding boosting the heating.
On my old Hive system, my wife can simply go to the wall thermostat and boost the overall heating for 1-6 hours.
Is this possible on the tado-x wall thermostat please? and possibly the app for me.
Also if you have the tado smart radioator thermostats installed, would this change the temperatures on all these, (including the ones set to low, which I seldom use) as I simply wish to boost the boiler and radiators that are scheduled to be on at the specific time and not change any radiator thermostat settings.
Many thanks to anyone who can clarify this.
Really nice thermostats, bought them at a special offer here in germany. Only problem so far: Your blueprint is not working entirely right. After the window is closed again the Thermostat is set to manual mode and not back in it's schedule. I think it's related to the tado API for the X, which doesn't support schedules atm, am I right?
Yes, currently it's not possible to reset the thermostat to its schedule using matter. There's no way to achieve that using Home Assistant (yet).
Is it worth it to switch from Ecosystem??
Hi thank you for the video very informative, I wanted to know If for example I don't have a smart valve in the kitchen and only have the smart thermostat and I decided to control the temperature of the kitchen from the thermal stat, does that turn all the house radiator on even though they are using the smart valves? or keeps all radiators with the smart valves off and turns heating on only for the radiator that doesn't have the smart valve?
What is the max distance to the Bridge? I use netatmo (legrand/bticino) and this is an annoying issue it has…. (Lakkint good coverage on second floor even les then 10m away…)
You can place multiple thread border routers in your house to prevent that. For instance a homepod mini or any other device that functions as a thread border router.
@ yes to use thread with Ha, but the connection between the radiator valves and the Tado bridge? You got any idea about that? With netatmo thats dramatic!
I don't have the device linking option, how is it possible?
What's the operating system version of your phone?
eindelijk iemand die alles keurig en uitgebreid uitlegt.
Dank je wel!
Can I create a Thread border router with HA and use the Tado app that way? I have the wired Tado thermostat and their website said as long as I got a thread border router I can use it.
You can, but you shouldn't. You won't get firmware updates if you connect directly to home assistant. If you connect through the bridge and then link to home assistant, you get the best of 2 worlds.
@ I guess I am confused cause the Tado website says if you already have a thread border router I don’t need to buy the tado x bridge. I guess I need to order a bridge.
@@oyiboboy3598 I understand. I went through the same process. I've talked to support and they told me this. Works ok, but could be better.
@ any chance you tried with apple homekit i found a manual, and it says then you can use the tado app to add the devices. I don’t know if the radiator valve termostat will communicate with the wired termostat in that case.
@oyiboboy3598 No, I don't have Apple Homekit.
Nice Review, Does it support multi zone systems for example ground floor, upstairs and loft with separate loops and valves?
Think the important question though is, can you configure the schedules on the TRV without the internet (or even without the app), incase Tado removes the app in the future or limits certain features either due to development cost to maintain or some other reason?
Does the blueprint works with other thermostats or only with Tado?
It works with all thermostats.
Does this Tado X work with underfloor heating? The living room has underfloor heating, upstairs radiators. Now I have to set the living room thermostat on, to be able to use the radiators upstairs??
I have exactly the same situation here, and i wonder how that works. I also wonder if you then need to replace your current wired dumb thermostat or if you can just leave it idle there?
The only issue I have with tado is the shortest time-range interval they allow for temperature schedules. The bare minimum is 15 minutes where I'd need to increase the temperature to give it a push and there are no other options. What I want to achieve, is that I typically have dinner at 7pm, just before 7pm, I wanna give a 5 minute push to bring some "fresh warmth" to the room, this is not possible via Tado, these short pushes. Maybe anyone has got a better idea!?
I'll try this year to create schedule via HA instead, there I can configure whatever I want, but disadvantage, I can never use the auto-schedule anymore 😞
Apart from that, I've been using Tado for 1.5 years now and I couldn't be more satisfied with the system.
It's 5 minutes with the Tado X.
@@SmartHomeJunkie I've just checked it again in the app, it weirdly enough has 5 minute intervals, but it automatically pops back to the quarter minute setting, really weird, given that this is a software limitation, why would they allow it for X products but nor for the "legacy" ones...
I prefer the AA batteries above the rechargable batteries, you swap them by new ones and you're done. with this one you need to take is elsewhere, charge it and remember to put it back, during ht whole charging time the radiator isn't regulated.
Also you can (if you're willing to do some wiring) put battery eliminators in AA battery powered devices; two fake 1.5 volt batteries wired to a 3V wall socket power supply. Never swap batteries again.
Hopefully they sell extra batteries so you can just go up to each radiator with a charged battery and exchange them one by one.
And does it support leaving a usb c cable permanently connected if the location is annoying?
How do you manage to set the knob back to automatic setting with home assistant?
For me it only shows hvac_modes 'off' and 'heat' and 'heat' sets it to manual mode, not automatic.
You might want to check the scenes on the fly option. I used that in the blueprint that I created for the video.
@@SmartHomeJunkie Ok, I tried scene.create via an automation but the theremostat is still switched to manual mode when activating this scene. At least on my end it doesn't seem to work unfortunately.
@@KeXXL Hmmmm.... Hopefully, Tado adds the ability to resume the schedule using Matter.
I'd honestly prefer AA batteries. Buy some Eneloop Pro rechargeables and just go around and swap them once a year, then recharge the ones you took out. Plus you can get a battery eliminator, two fake 1.5 volt AA shaped blocks that are connected to a 3V wall power supply if you want to entirely eliminate batteries. Of course, then you have to deal with a bunch of electrical wiring, which makes installation much more of a pain. My house is warmed with ground source heat exchange and a central thermostat, but I have been thinking of putting in some Zigbee thermostat valves in the rooms I want cooler than the rest of the house, though. But with a heat exchanger you don't really turn it on or off, just set a house temperature and it takes care of it.
Eneloops are 1.2 volt. I have yet to find a smart product that works with them.
I have the slight older Tado and do not have device linking entry. Can this be my problem?
I believe the older version does not support Matter.
@@SmartHomeJunkie I currently use TADO inside Home Assistant, the older version has cloud control with the TADO Integration, however local control is available also as it uses the HomeKit protocol.
I hate charging and/or replacing batteries so which can could also solve that by allowing you to connect a charge cable so always connected.
Goh, ik had een Honeywell Chronotherm Touch Modulation thermostaat en deze hield het huis ook niet prettig warm. Achteraf via HomeWizard kan ik het verschil wel zien, en waarschijnlijk zat de Honeywell rond of net onder de laagste aanvoer temperatuur van de CV (Intergas Kombi Kompact HRE 24/18) van 40 graden Celsius te pendelen. Waardoor dus de CV ketel net wel net niet aansloeg.
Sinds ik de Tado X heb moet ik bekennen dat ik ook exact dezelfde ervaring heb gehad. Hij moest eerst een paar dagen tot eigenlijk een volle week even in leren, echter is sindsdien het huis echt heel erg lekker en constant warm op 22 graden Celsius. Terwijl ik bij een ingestelde zelfde temperatuur van 22 graden Celsius met de Honeywell zelfs midden op de dag last van koude hadden kreeg in de woonkamer.
Het enige nadeel wat ik heb is dat ik in een huurhuis zit waarin nog radiatoren zitten op een 1-pijp systeem met individueel manueel regelbare radiatoren (dus de ouderwetse handmatige draaiknoppen). Aangezien ze hier ook met een warmtenet zijn begonnen in Groningen en de ketel bijna 15 jaar oud is wil ik eerst weten wat de woningbouw gaat doen voordat ik zelf nog maar ga denken aan het vervangen van de radiator regelknoppen voor thermostatische knoppen met Tado X.
Toch had ik wel een vraag. In hoeverre haal je die investering eruit met de kostenwinst op de energie rekening aangezien ik dus in meer als alleen de peperdure Tado X knoppen moet investeren, en ga je het ook qua comfort in huis merken?
Last but not least... je had het over HomeAssistant. Wat zijn de voor en nadelen van HomeAssistant ten opzichte van een Homey Pro?
Ik heb geen Homey Pro dus ik zou het niet kunnen zeggen.
Did you compare the temperature on the knobs with a thermometer in the centre of the room? For both Honeywell and Tado? I use floor heating on my ground floor, and radiators on my 1st floor. I measure temperature per room from both my Fibaro smoke sensor and my radiator knobs. As the radiator knobs are close to the wall, when it is cold oudside i see they measure far lower termperatures than the smoke sensor in the middle of the room.
F.i. at this moment in my bedroom: 18,3°C according to Smoke sensor, 16,5°C according to radiator knob.
Yes, the temperature on the knob is always off because it's close to the radiator. That's why there is an option to change the offset of the temperature for each knob.
@ The deviation is no constant. Boiler on/off can give different values. Close to outside wall is not te best location to measure room temperature.
We tried to wire the receiver today, everything connected, app found all the devices, but when asked for the heating, the boiler did not start and showed a fault message, something about the external sensor... We wanted to change from our old Vitotrol 300 wired thermostat to the Tado x wireless one, but ended up not having any heat... Will have to call a technician...
Just open a chat with Tado. They will help you.
I think the internal rechargeable battery is not a good idea. The previous generation uses AA batteries. So replacing the batteries takes a couple of seconds.
I get what you mean.
Buy one spare. Replace it for an empty one and use that one for the next empty one 😉
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Disappointed you cant add individual radiators to home assistsnt and only through the tado app.
It's a nice device but I disagree with the batteries. Having a "custom" battery which is basically non replaceable for smart heating is just terrible. While you might be able to buy replacement from Tado, it will be a shelf battery with not a much of charge left. After couple of years, you will have to charge it weekly. This is why I prefer AA batteries because those will be available for quite a while.
Hmmm, you might have a point there. I will see how it works in a couple of years.
so many knobs!!! 🤣😂