Trail running commuter shoe matrix required? Seeing your list at the end it seems to be a new growing category that could do with some more attention! Great stuff as always 👊
QD:to get to the trails I run every day around 2 miles on pavement and the 2 more to come back home ! keep make us happy with the daily vlog Seth hi from Greece 🇬🇷🇬🇷
I work in the manufacturing industry so we just deal with our customer service on a somewhat regular basis and it came to mind at the beginning of your video when you were trying to find the specs on a newer shoe and the aren’t really available yet a quick call to customer service would probably save you time compared to searching around the Internet. That’s just something that came to mind.
QD: I've used Challengers from my house for just a few blocks on pavement to a nearby park where there are dirt trails. I wear the size 10 2E and find that the width is pretty good. I do have wide feet but for me it's a good fit. Overall very comfortable and I've enjoyed them.
I live in the hudson valley in New York. I'm lucky enough to have tons of great trails within 2 miles from my front door. So, a commuter trail shoe is a must in my rotation. I also work very close to the catskill mountains and can skip out of work for an hour and spend some quality time in our beautiful forests, then back to work. And thanks to you, I have the best tool for the job. The saucony mad river (version 1). It's just road friendly enough, while still being a very trail focused shoe, even on some of our most technical trails. I'm in love with the mad river, it's such a great shoe.
QD: All of my off-road runs have some pavement in them, normally about 0.5-2 miles of pavement in 8-10 miles of running. I use the Salomon speedcross 5 and they seem to handle it fine
I commute on every run. Half sidewalk and half groomed residential trail. This is a perfect shoe for me. With ocr I have a mud shoe. Altra Superiors are my long trail shoe and this is a perfect trainer
First, I want to thank you for your videos and reviews and inspiration. Secondly, as feedback about Hoka's laces, they are thick and sticky. I like that. I believe you've shared that they don't make the lock down as easy as you would like. Personally, I find that, though they take a little more time, they really lock down well. Unlike plush round laces that can be quickly pulled up to cinch lock down, the Hoka laces are flat, stiff and sticky, especially if you allow them to remain untwisted as you tighten them. Normally, as you pull up laces to tighten them, there is some slippage with each pull. Not the case with Hoka laces. If you allow them to remain untwisted, there is no slippage as you progress up the shoe tightening them to create a snug lock down.
To start, I love these shoes. I use these for light road and groomed trail running. I mainly use these for walking at a decent pace with a 30 lb pack. These shoes are great for that. Also, I like the lacing system. I’ve seen 2 videos where it was said the laces were too stiff. I actually prefer a stiff lace as it seems to lock my foot down much better. Oh, I also think the heel pocket secured my heel quite well. Haven’t slipped or felt weird at all. Great shoe!
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Thank you, Seth! You've been an inspiration for me together with some other amazing athletes. This year, mostly thanks to your videos, I found out about some of the best shoes, about rotating them and how to proper recovery. Now I have Columbia Montrail Trans Alps FKT 3, Salomon Sense Ride 3, Nike Quest 2 and Saucony Jazz 20. Today I comment here because I just ordered the Hoka Ora Recovery Slides and can't wait to wear them to spoil myself
Hi Seth. Glad to see that Hoka did not give up the ATR challenger line. The 3's were fantastic shoes (the trail version of the Clifton 3, "commuting" from road to trail was indeed effortless ) but the durability of the upper was a real issue (the midsole was fairly durable). I hope that the quality of the upper improved. Not to recommend for too technical terrains though and a price point that start to be a bit steep (but that means the 5's will retail for less).
I commute from road to trail a couple times a week, but to tell you the truth, since 85-95% of that run is on the trail I just opt for a straight up trail shoe.
I actually really like the Hoka Torrent as a commuter shoe. I don't notice the lugs on pavement, but the grip is plenty for just about anything we have here in the Midwest.
I love the Challenger ATR 5. I often commute from more improved roads to rocky/light trails. It’s perfect for light trails and small mountain trails like the ones in Southern Arizona in my opinion. Excellent investment, versatile and quite durable! It is a great shoe to have in a modest rotation like my own.
Hoka ATR are badass! I have the 5 and just keeps on kicking.. I'm tempted to switch over to the Bondi 7, but I'm probably going to go with the atr6, just rugged but really works well, 👍
I got the Challenger 6 a few months ago and so far find them ideal for my situation. I run a lot locally from my house along a riverbank which is a mixture of surfaced footpaths and forrest trails so needed something that was good for both. I also need a wide fit and so went for the wide version of the shoe which has proved ideal for me. I have a pair of Salomon XA Pro 3D which I use for the mountains where I want more protection, and I agree with your assessment that the Challenger 6 ATR is ideal for "commuter" and foothills. 👍
I have used the Challenger ATR 4 and am currently using the ATR 5 and I tend to use these when going between a mixture of tarmac, gravel trails, and maybe a little dirt, though where I live there aren't high mountains so I don't really need that. What I would say though is that when running in more urban environments, especially when it's a bit wet and slippy you just don't get the grip I'd expect, not at first out of the box anyway. I would say it improves with mileage, maybe as the soles get a bit more scuffed, but I was surprised at this as I thought there would be more grip then there was on cold out wet hard surfaces. ATR stands for All Terrain (not sure what the R stands for, runner maybe, only just learnt this) so this is a shoe that is very useful if you run from an urban environment out to trails or at least more off road environments, but this isn't a trail shoe. If you want a trail shoe Hoka has other better options for that, but as you say if you're running in those on the roads you might feel the sole posing through and causing some discomfort. As I said earlier I had the Challenger ATR 4, my first Hoka's and have not too long ago got a pair of the ATR 5s so that tells you all you need to know about my experience in this shoe, and at some stage I'll be getting a pair of these. I did around 1,000km in the ATR 4s, before a split between the sole and the upper, which I have heard can be a problem, although on another review I heard this might be less so in the ATR 6s. Great review though, really interesting to get your thoughts on this shoe Seth. As far as the laces to you can just replace them I'd guess? Although it's not great that you would have to do this on a shoe I would think. I think they might be like this because a lot of the shoe is made from recycled materials I've also heard, which is something I think Hoka are pushing now.
Commute once or twice a week into the mountain trails with my dog here in Montréal. We spend most of the time on the trails so it’s more important for me that commuter shoes lean more towards the trail spectrum(snow for half the year etc). Love Pegasus trail lineup Speedgoat 4 ❤️ And ASICS Trabuco Max!
Love my 5s. If the toe box is bigger on the 6s then I’ll rent out the extra space! They just don’t feel hard on tarmac for example which is priceless for a trail shoe. But flat lugs so no good in muddy mud!
QD: I have the ATR 5 and do use it as a commuter shoe regularly. I live just 1 km from a major trail system so when I decide to do a trail run, I run on pavement for 1 km, then on a buffed-out rail trail for a few km and end up on a forest trail full of rocks and roots and hills. This is all within 5km from my house and in the middle of a medium-size city so it is great! I like the ATR 5 for training runs but have not ran a trail race in them yet. Even though I have the wide version, i still find the toebox a little tight, so I hope the 6 would be better for me. I have also used them as a winter training shoe on streets and sidewalks but they are quite open to water so your feet can get wet and the traction is not great in fresh snow because of the blocky tread.
I ran a 10 mile trail race this weekend in the Challenger 5 and took 2nd for females and 9th over all. Hope this new one has a little more grip. But love the shoe.
QD: I commute every run basically every run here in Boise. Its about a half mile to get to the neighborhood trailhead for some light trail running. Normally I don't need a trail shoe but 2 of the climbs are rockier and could use some protection. The actual foothills are closer to 2-3 miles away, and I prefer driving to those. Also those Challengers are on my list for daily trail trainer and I've been loving the Clifton for most of my miles.
Very interessting video. I am looking exactly for a shoe within this category. I am not running trails in the mountains. I would like to run mostly on mixed surface (I had knee issues and got advised to reduce trainings on pavement), so like partly road, partly not technical paths in the forest. There are currently not much shoes out there that are covering exactly this scenario. And i believe there are lots of runners who want to reduce miles on pavement and mix it with light "trails". This is just exactly what my close environment looks like (no mountains near by).
Where I live there are no agressive trails nearby. But I use hoka Challenger atr 5, the previous iteration, to go to a bit more rural area's with some small trails. And this shoes does an excellent job on those trails between the fields and small forests. So I guess I commute 😅
QD: Don’t do commuter runs, but am looking for a shoe with a commuter profile to use on recovery runs I usually do on light trails following long road days. 16 mile tempo interval run this morning and will do EZ 5-6 mile trail run tomorrow
Have you considered separate shoes for each of those runs? They really require different shoes and my understanding is that you want the shoe foam to have enough time to decompress after your tempo run, but that’ll require more than a day.
Mike Wilson - Yeah, I do wear separate shoes for the different runs. Either Saucony endorphin speeds or adidas SL20s for tempo interval runs (SL20s today) and also have Salomon Supercross Trail shoes. The Supercross Trails are good for more aggressive terrain, but looking for less aggressive lugs, less weight and more cushion for my EZ recovery trail runs. My wife will be so excited that I’m looking to get “another” pair of running shoes
QD: here in south east England i use the Hoka ATR for road too trail running. A long run for me can be on and off the trails and road every few miles so atr's work well for me.
LOL Seth, here the days are getting longer but it was still a long week! New Zealand - summer time started this weekend. An love my Challengers but ordered some Speedgoats on sale.
A dry dirt road is pretty similar to a tarseal road in terms of impact in my opinion. I have the ATR 5 and they're great except not so breathable and look pretty ugly. I will get the 6 for cosmetic reasons but if its noticeably heavier I'll go back to feeling cheap with the 5s
We have a local ultra racing course (50K and 50 miler) that has about 2 miles of every 6.2 mile lap that's on a hard surface, and given how hard/dry our trails can be much of the year, I find the Challenger ATR 5 to be perfect for that transition between surfaces. If it were to be wet, I'd go with the Torrent 2. For technical trails, hard rock, big hills where I need grip (especially in muddy or wet conditions), I go with the Speedgoat. There's definitely a niche for the Challenger ATR, and 14ers isn't it.
QD: I commute to trails every run. I live 1 mile from the forest and trails (no mountains or even hills in my neck of the woods) so every trail run start and finish with 1mile of pavement. Usually I just run in road shoes like Pegasus or Vomero which is not a problem but when it's went, muddy or snowy I use Salomon Supercross 4 which are not ideal for road. Thankfully most of that road have soft, ground sides so I just run on it.
I like my ATR5'S a lot. I've worn out multiple pairs. (350ish miles before the tread is gone) They worked just fine climbing some 14'rs a few weeks ago. 😉
I've run in the ATR 3 & 5 and loved both of them. I was hopeful that Hoka would improve the shoe further in the ATR 6. Disappointed you weren't so thrilled with this shoe, maybe I will wait for version 7 before I pick them up again.
QD: I have a ton of loops that are 30% pavement, 20% dirt road, and 50% trail. Living in a more rural area, there is often no point for me to drive somewhere to run since I can just run 2-3 miles further
QD: I live in Southern California, and 2-3 runs a week are “commutes” as I can be in rolling hills within a couple miles. The Peg 36 Trail is still my go to!
QD: I run about 1.5 miles to get out to the desert double track. Depending on what I'm training for I do this 1 to 5 times a week. Soloman Ultra Pro and Altr Olympus both work well for me for this. I don't usually go for something like the Speedcross because I don't really need them on the double track but I don't think I'd have an issue with the shortish part on the asphalt.
QD: I commute a few times a week, I have about 3 miles to do on pavement before getting out of the city to the "hills" and forest to the south of the city - always feels wasted to drive those three miles but sometimes I do cycle out!
Hi there DGR runners. I've had this version for almost 2 years now and they are a disapointment. It took at least 50/60 km to break off and before that they did hurt pretty bad...then there was a sweat spot in confort for 100 km and after that they started to give quite a lot. I'm swimming around the toe box as well now and i cannot fit the laces so that they would fit proper. I now have put 300 km into them, and i use them to walk around as they are not able to be my trail runners anymore. Boring as I was just in love with my previous Challenger ATR3 that died too soon ! I swapped laces between the 3 and the 6 and now I can fit them 6s to.my feet. And after this mileage the outsole is pretty worn out now....I will not by this model anymore even for commuting and will rather consider speed goats for replacement.....
I see there is some writing on the side of the shoe. It appears to show the weight and perhaps the stackheight? S37x30 could mean 37mm in heel and 30mm in forefoot? QOD: I commute on 100% of my runs. I have maybe 30 different routes and all of them features both asfalt and trail.
I have enjoyed the 4 and 5 version however the mesh blew out at 300 miles in both and lugs started peeling in the 5s. Trying the Brooks Caldera 4 and really like them for flatter trails.
QD: i do commute to the trail network near my house so there is always a mix of road/ buffed trails. Have the challenger 5 and they are doing fantastic for that! Enjoy the week end!
I’m about 1.5 miles from the trail network in my area. So I’m back and forth between trails. However, I typically use my road shoe. I notice the lack of traction I want to start more vert training soon and a good pair trail shoes are next on my list. I’m other news CIM was canceled.
The challenger is probably my favorite shoe. Currently running on the ATR 5. Perfect for ultra's (ran the national championships of my country on them). I find them far better than for example the Speedgoat, which is more aggressive. But I demolish the outsole within weeks. My daily run is about 10 miles (15k) 1 mile on pavement 4 miles through the woods 5 miles over sand No steep climbs... lots of small hills in the woods though. My biggest obstacles are probably the thousands of tree roots. And when wet, the challenger holds pretty good. Harder outsoles tend to slide. They are a bit on the heavy side and the ground feel could be better. Something that was awesome on the discontinued Speed Instinct. I can recommend the shoe for long races and daily training. Short races probably not. I don't have special shoes for speed runs. Don't see the benefit of them.
The ATR5 is my mile eater shoe. I like it very much and my only problem was ripped upper from the midsole. Looks like they beefed up the connection. And yes it's very good for easy trails but I wouldnt take it on high mountains as you did ;)
QD: I use my road shoes if commuting to light trails and my trail shoes if doing more extreme trails. The novablast makes things a bit tricky on light buffed out trails but not impossible...
Really like the idea of these for the winter in the UK when it’s wet and muddy, but after the Rincon I’m concerned with Hoka that they just go flat and end up battered too quick
I'm running usually on gravel, so I think this shoes shoul be for me, bo I'm wondering if they are suitable for running maratfon on asphalt, city road for time to time without buying additional, dedicated shoes? What do you think? Is Challenger could be good also for asphalt?
QD: Most of my runs where I want to run on the roads are reverse commutes. I live on trails and need to run through trails to get to the roads. I have the ATR5 and the Stinson 5. The ATR5 is ok but the Stinson 5 is too big, high and heavy. I'm looking for something a bit more responsive for tempo days on the roads that will make it through the trails.
I love the Challenger 3s, but who actually cares about the shoes with a views like that? Stunning. Don't commute, but have several regular local routes that go pavement > trail > pavement.
I commute urban to trail most days, I have the ATR5 and found that my foot slips around a little bit too much. they especially dont work t=with Injinji socks....oh no, not a good mix. I prefer my inov8 park claw 275`s.
QD: actually almost all of my runs are a mixture of easy trail and road. So far, I've used road running shoes for that. Maybe I'll try a commuter shoe some time
My first trail shoe was a Challenger, 100k in I had bad delamination, OK maybe I got a lemon pair? Hoka gave me a new pair and same thing, delamination at 100k so I upgraded to the Speedgoats and got a 1000km out of them bad boys and lots of black nails 😂
I recently bought the speedgoat. Same problem with the laces. I had to change them. When I pulled them tight it only tightened the the last loop hole. Weird.
I’m just getting into Hoka and got a pair of Clifton 6s which I love. Wanting a trail shoe from hoka that’s similar. Would this one be closer or would the speedgoat be closer?
Hi Seth. Would you recommend this shoe for a dirt/gravel park service road that connects to few sections of paved roads? I normally run this in the Speedgoat 3, but wonder if this shoe would be a better fit.
QD: I commute between trail & road once or twice per week. We have some good trails & woods locally to me in Yorkshire, UK so good mixed terrain runs
Which UK county doesn't?!
Connecting every runner around the world right here in this comment section, amazing
The Challenger ATR is my favorite trail running shoes!!!!......(. and the sister Clifton for road)
Saluti dall'Italia 😉
Trail running commuter shoe matrix required? Seeing your list at the end it seems to be a new growing category that could do with some more attention! Great stuff as always 👊
yep that'd be super useful
90% of my runs are mixed terrain, roads and trails (not hard trails). Thanks for the info Seth, I've been thinking about 'hybrid' trainers lately ☺
ATR 5 is possibly my favorite shoe.
Good to know Mack!
Does it fit wide feet?
@@LifeInTheLongRun I've heard that you can get this shoe in a wider fit so if you have wide feet you can get a wider shoe. Hope that helps.
QD:to get to the trails I run every day around 2 miles on pavement and the 2 more to come back home ! keep make us happy with the daily vlog Seth hi from Greece 🇬🇷🇬🇷
I work in the manufacturing industry so we just deal with our customer service on a somewhat regular basis and it came to mind at the beginning of your video when you were trying to find the specs on a newer shoe and the aren’t really available yet a quick call to customer service would probably save you time compared to searching around the Internet. That’s just something that came to mind.
I actually just bought the Atr 5 and I’m loving it so far.
In upstate ny I find myself around once a week going from pavement to four wheeler trails about 4 miles of road 3 miles of off road
QD: I've used Challengers from my house for just a few blocks on pavement to a nearby park where there are dirt trails. I wear the size 10 2E and find that the width is pretty good. I do have wide feet but for me it's a good fit. Overall very comfortable and I've enjoyed them.
Big fan of the comparison at the end with prices included. Nice touch.
I live in the hudson valley in New York. I'm lucky enough to have tons of great trails within 2 miles from my front door. So, a commuter trail shoe is a must in my rotation. I also work very close to the catskill mountains and can skip out of work for an hour and spend some quality time in our beautiful forests, then back to work. And thanks to you, I have the best tool for the job. The saucony mad river (version 1). It's just road friendly enough, while still being a very trail focused shoe, even on some of our most technical trails. I'm in love with the mad river, it's such a great shoe.
I own 3 pairs of the ATR 5. I’ve done 1200km in pair 1, 700km in pair 2 and pair 3 have just entered the household to join the family.
QD: All of my off-road runs have some pavement in them, normally about 0.5-2 miles of pavement in 8-10 miles of running. I use the Salomon speedcross 5 and they seem to handle it fine
You don't feel the lugs on the speedcross? Love those shoes but don't dare to do many paved miles
VertSabre not really, but the lugs probably wear quicker than if I wore them just on mud
Thanks, was thinking about returning my Hoka Clifton7 for it, but after your review will keep it - your reviews help guide my purchase decisions!
I commute on every run. Half sidewalk and half groomed residential trail. This is a perfect shoe for me. With ocr I have a mud shoe. Altra Superiors are my long trail shoe and this is a perfect trainer
Your video production is getting REALLY GOOD.
First, I want to thank you for your videos and reviews and inspiration. Secondly, as feedback about Hoka's laces, they are thick and sticky. I like that. I believe you've shared that they don't make the lock down as easy as you would like. Personally, I find that, though they take a little more time, they really lock down well. Unlike plush round laces that can be quickly pulled up to cinch lock down, the Hoka laces are flat, stiff and sticky, especially if you allow them to remain untwisted as you tighten them. Normally, as you pull up laces to tighten them, there is some slippage with each pull. Not the case with Hoka laces. If you allow them to remain untwisted, there is no slippage as you progress up the shoe tightening them to create a snug lock down.
To start, I love these shoes. I use these for light road and groomed trail running. I mainly use these for walking at a decent pace with a 30 lb pack. These shoes are great for that. Also, I like the lacing system. I’ve seen 2 videos where it was said the laces were too stiff. I actually prefer a stiff lace as it seems to lock my foot down much better. Oh, I also think the heel pocket secured my heel quite well. Haven’t slipped or felt weird at all. Great shoe!
Thank you, Seth! You've been an inspiration for me together with some other amazing athletes. This year, mostly thanks to your videos, I found out about some of the best shoes, about rotating them and how to proper recovery. Now I have Columbia Montrail Trans Alps FKT 3, Salomon Sense Ride 3, Nike Quest 2 and Saucony Jazz 20. Today I comment here because I just ordered the Hoka Ora Recovery Slides and can't wait to wear them to spoil myself
Hi Seth. Glad to see that Hoka did not give up the ATR challenger line. The 3's were fantastic shoes (the trail version of the Clifton 3, "commuting" from road to trail was indeed effortless ) but the durability of the upper was a real issue (the midsole was fairly durable). I hope that the quality of the upper improved. Not to recommend for too technical terrains though and a price point that start to be a bit steep (but that means the 5's will retail for less).
I commute from road to trail a couple times a week, but to tell you the truth, since 85-95% of that run is on the trail I just opt for a straight up trail shoe.
I actually really like the Hoka Torrent as a commuter shoe. I don't notice the lugs on pavement, but the grip is plenty for just about anything we have here in the Midwest.
I love the Challenger ATR 5. I often commute from more improved roads to rocky/light trails. It’s perfect for light trails and small mountain trails like the ones in Southern Arizona in my opinion. Excellent investment, versatile and quite durable! It is a great shoe to have in a modest rotation like my own.
Hoka ATR are badass! I have the 5 and just keeps on kicking.. I'm tempted to switch over to the Bondi 7, but I'm probably going to go with the atr6, just rugged but really works well, 👍
Seth you don't know how long I've been waiting for this shoe!
I've been hating the stiff hoka laces, same as the torrent v1
North NYC is The Bronx, Seth! However, Thanks for starting with Vannie as the perfect commuter scenario.
I love the little rock stuck in the tread lol
I got the Challenger 6 a few months ago and so far find them ideal for my situation. I run a lot locally from my house along a riverbank which is a mixture of surfaced footpaths and forrest trails so needed something that was good for both. I also need a wide fit and so went for the wide version of the shoe which has proved ideal for me. I have a pair of Salomon XA Pro 3D which I use for the mountains where I want more protection, and I agree with your assessment that the Challenger 6 ATR is ideal for "commuter" and foothills. 👍
I have used the Challenger ATR 4 and am currently using the ATR 5 and I tend to use these when going between a mixture of tarmac, gravel trails, and maybe a little dirt, though where I live there aren't high mountains so I don't really need that. What I would say though is that when running in more urban environments, especially when it's a bit wet and slippy you just don't get the grip I'd expect, not at first out of the box anyway. I would say it improves with mileage, maybe as the soles get a bit more scuffed, but I was surprised at this as I thought there would be more grip then there was on cold out wet hard surfaces. ATR stands for All Terrain (not sure what the R stands for, runner maybe, only just learnt this) so this is a shoe that is very useful if you run from an urban environment out to trails or at least more off road environments, but this isn't a trail shoe. If you want a trail shoe Hoka has other better options for that, but as you say if you're running in those on the roads you might feel the sole posing through and causing some discomfort. As I said earlier I had the Challenger ATR 4, my first Hoka's and have not too long ago got a pair of the ATR 5s so that tells you all you need to know about my experience in this shoe, and at some stage I'll be getting a pair of these. I did around 1,000km in the ATR 4s, before a split between the sole and the upper, which I have heard can be a problem, although on another review I heard this might be less so in the ATR 6s. Great review though, really interesting to get your thoughts on this shoe Seth. As far as the laces to you can just replace them I'd guess? Although it's not great that you would have to do this on a shoe I would think. I think they might be like this because a lot of the shoe is made from recycled materials I've also heard, which is something I think Hoka are pushing now.
Commute once or twice a week into the mountain trails with my dog here in Montréal. We spend most of the time on the trails so it’s more important for me that commuter shoes lean more towards the trail spectrum(snow for half the year etc).
Love Pegasus trail lineup
Speedgoat 4 ❤️
And ASICS Trabuco Max!
Love my 5s. If the toe box is bigger on the 6s then I’ll rent out the extra space! They just don’t feel hard on tarmac for example which is priceless for a trail shoe. But flat lugs so no good in muddy mud!
QD: I have the ATR 5 and do use it as a commuter shoe regularly. I live just 1 km from a major trail system so when I decide to do a trail run, I run on pavement for 1 km, then on a buffed-out rail trail for a few km and end up on a forest trail full of rocks and roots and hills. This is all within 5km from my house and in the middle of a medium-size city so it is great! I like the ATR 5 for training runs but have not ran a trail race in them yet. Even though I have the wide version, i still find the toebox a little tight, so I hope the 6 would be better for me. I have also used them as a winter training shoe on streets and sidewalks but they are quite open to water so your feet can get wet and the traction is not great in fresh snow because of the blocky tread.
I just picked up the Hoka Rincon today. Soft, very light and it feels like a plush slipper! I can't wait to take it out on a Tempo day!
Do they work for narrow feet?
My typical weekday running is a combination of pavement and gravel (on the shoulders of the roads). Surprisingly its about a 70/30 split.
I ran a 10 mile trail race this weekend in the Challenger 5 and took 2nd for females and 9th over all. Hope this new one has a little more grip. But love the shoe.
QD: Every day. Every course I run here in Thailand is part pavement, part dirt roads (very muddy when it rains).
Run Seth run😊 positive energy ball👍 Btw, relive is a cool App. Thanks for sharing. Love and support from Belgium
QD: I commute every run basically every run here in Boise. Its about a half mile to get to the neighborhood trailhead for some light trail running. Normally I don't need a trail shoe but 2 of the climbs are rockier and could use some protection. The actual foothills are closer to 2-3 miles away, and I prefer driving to those. Also those Challengers are on my list for daily trail trainer and I've been loving the Clifton for most of my miles.
Challenger Atr, been running in does for years, love them, my favourite shoes, for easy trails/road
Commute to forest park every time I’m out there. So lucky to live within running distance to one of the best city parks in the US
Very interessting video. I am looking exactly for a shoe within this category. I am not running trails in the mountains. I would like to run mostly on mixed surface (I had knee issues and got advised to reduce trainings on pavement), so like partly road, partly not technical paths in the forest. There are currently not much shoes out there that are covering exactly this scenario. And i believe there are lots of runners who want to reduce miles on pavement and mix it with light "trails". This is just exactly what my close environment looks like (no mountains near by).
Where I live there are no agressive trails nearby. But I use hoka Challenger atr 5, the previous iteration, to go to a bit more rural area's with some small trails. And this shoes does an excellent job on those trails between the fields and small forests. So I guess I commute 😅
Run with love and support for everyone
QD: Don’t do commuter runs, but am looking for a shoe with a commuter profile to use on recovery runs I usually do on light trails following long road days. 16 mile tempo interval run this morning and will do EZ 5-6 mile trail run tomorrow
Have you considered separate shoes for each of those runs? They really require different shoes and my understanding is that you want the shoe foam to have enough time to decompress after your tempo run, but that’ll require more than a day.
Mike Wilson - Yeah, I do wear separate shoes for the different runs. Either Saucony endorphin speeds or adidas SL20s for tempo interval runs (SL20s today) and also have Salomon Supercross Trail shoes. The Supercross Trails are good for more aggressive terrain, but looking for less aggressive lugs, less weight and more cushion for my EZ recovery trail runs. My wife will be so excited that I’m looking to get “another” pair of running shoes
The Torrent 2 is pretty good. Light, cushioned, and the lugs aren’t too significant.
QD: here in south east England i use the Hoka ATR for road too trail running. A long run for me can be on and off the trails and road every few miles so atr's work well for me.
LOL Seth, here the days are getting longer but it was still a long week! New Zealand - summer time started this weekend. An love my Challengers but ordered some Speedgoats on sale.
A dry dirt road is pretty similar to a tarseal road in terms of impact in my opinion. I have the ATR 5 and they're great except not so breathable and look pretty ugly. I will get the 6 for cosmetic reasons but if its noticeably heavier I'll go back to feeling cheap with the 5s
We have a local ultra racing course (50K and 50 miler) that has about 2 miles of every 6.2 mile lap that's on a hard surface, and given how hard/dry our trails can be much of the year, I find the Challenger ATR 5 to be perfect for that transition between surfaces. If it were to be wet, I'd go with the Torrent 2. For technical trails, hard rock, big hills where I need grip (especially in muddy or wet conditions), I go with the Speedgoat. There's definitely a niche for the Challenger ATR, and 14ers isn't it.
QD: I live in Volcano Hawaii. I commute about 2-3 miles to enter Hawaii Volcanoes National Park about once a week.
What shoes do you use?
@@frlipa New Balance 880v10
QD: I commute to trails every run. I live 1 mile from the forest and trails (no mountains or even hills in my neck of the woods) so every trail run start and finish with 1mile of pavement. Usually I just run in road shoes like Pegasus or Vomero which is not a problem but when it's went, muddy or snowy I use Salomon Supercross 4 which are not ideal for road. Thankfully most of that road have soft, ground sides so I just run on it.
Pegasus 36s and 35s are the only running shoes I’ve had. They’re AWESOME. Good all around shoe in my opinion and not too expensive 👍🏾.
I like my ATR5'S a lot. I've worn out multiple pairs. (350ish miles before the tread is gone) They worked just fine climbing some 14'rs a few weeks ago. 😉
I've run in the ATR 3 & 5 and loved both of them. I was hopeful that Hoka would improve the shoe further in the ATR 6. Disappointed you weren't so thrilled with this shoe, maybe I will wait for version 7 before I pick them up again.
QD: I have a ton of loops that are 30% pavement, 20% dirt road, and 50% trail. Living in a more rural area, there is often no point for me to drive somewhere to run since I can just run 2-3 miles further
QD: I live in Southern California, and 2-3 runs a week are “commutes” as I can be in rolling hills within a couple miles. The Peg 36 Trail is still my go to!
QD: I run about 1.5 miles to get out to the desert double track. Depending on what I'm training for I do this 1 to 5 times a week. Soloman Ultra Pro and Altr Olympus both work well for me for this. I don't usually go for something like the Speedcross because I don't really need them on the double track but I don't think I'd have an issue with the shortish part on the asphalt.
Is it bad that I alway end up seeing your notifications in the middle of the night and end up watching? 1-2am HST
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When you live in an area that you can run to the trails the ATR is the go to!
I commute from Olympic Valley to Auburn. Pretty hard trails and some road.
QD: I commute a few times a week, I have about 3 miles to do on pavement before getting out of the city to the "hills" and forest to the south of the city - always feels wasted to drive those three miles but sometimes I do cycle out!
I often commute here in Finland as I'm not fan of starting engine of my Fiat Punto 🌞
Road to trail and back again nearly every day for me. Pegs, Rincons, Lunas and Earthrunners.
Hi there DGR runners. I've had this version for almost 2 years now and they are a disapointment. It took at least 50/60 km to break off and before that they did hurt pretty bad...then there was a sweat spot in confort for 100 km and after that they started to give quite a lot. I'm swimming around the toe box as well now and i cannot fit the laces so that they would fit proper. I now have put 300 km into them, and i use them to walk around as they are not able to be my trail runners anymore. Boring as I was just in love with my previous Challenger ATR3 that died too soon ! I swapped laces between the 3 and the 6 and now I can fit them 6s to.my feet. And after this mileage the outsole is pretty worn out now....I will not by this model anymore even for commuting and will rather consider speed goats for replacement.....
I see there is some writing on the side of the shoe. It appears to show the weight and perhaps the stackheight? S37x30 could mean 37mm in heel and 30mm in forefoot?
QOD: I commute on 100% of my runs. I have maybe 30 different routes and all of them features both asfalt and trail.
I have enjoyed the 4 and 5 version however the mesh blew out at 300 miles in both and lugs started peeling in the 5s. Trying the Brooks Caldera 4 and really like them for flatter trails.
My Hoka ATR 5 split down the side on outside. Useless construction. Hope these are better
QD: i do commute to the trail network near my house so there is always a mix of road/ buffed trails. Have the challenger 5 and they are doing fantastic for that! Enjoy the week end!
I really enjoy the atr 5 for buffed out trails. This new version looks nice but sad to see it’s gained weighted
I’m about 1.5 miles from the trail network in my area. So I’m back and forth between trails. However, I typically use my road shoe. I notice the lack of traction I want to start more vert training soon and a good pair trail shoes are next on my list.
I’m other news CIM was canceled.
I live about 2 miles from my favorite local trails, some commuting is a weekly ocurrance for me.
The challenger is probably my favorite shoe. Currently running on the ATR 5. Perfect for ultra's (ran the national championships of my country on them). I find them far better than for example the Speedgoat, which is more aggressive. But I demolish the outsole within weeks.
My daily run is about 10 miles (15k)
1 mile on pavement
4 miles through the woods
5 miles over sand
No steep climbs... lots of small hills in the woods though. My biggest obstacles are probably the thousands of tree roots. And when wet, the challenger holds pretty good. Harder outsoles tend to slide.
They are a bit on the heavy side and the ground feel could be better. Something that was awesome on the discontinued Speed Instinct.
I can recommend the shoe for long races and daily training. Short races probably not. I don't have special shoes for speed runs. Don't see the benefit of them.
The ATR5 is my mile eater shoe. I like it very much and my only problem was ripped upper from the midsole. Looks like they beefed up the connection. And yes it's very good for easy trails but I wouldnt take it on high mountains as you did ;)
QD: I use my road shoes if commuting to light trails and my trail shoes if doing more extreme trails. The novablast makes things a bit tricky on light buffed out trails but not impossible...
Really like the idea of these for the winter in the UK when it’s wet and muddy, but after the Rincon I’m concerned with Hoka that they just go flat and end up battered too quick
Thanks from Montreal 👍👍👍
I'm running usually on gravel, so I think this shoes shoul be for me, bo I'm wondering if they are suitable for running maratfon on asphalt, city road for time to time without buying additional, dedicated shoes? What do you think? Is Challenger could be good also for asphalt?
Lacing is also a problem on the Clifton 6. Laces are too wide for the eyelets.
I run in a country park near where I live and there's a combination of grass, mud and gravel. Is this designed for that or mainly for road and gravel?
Awesome video!
QD: Most of my runs where I want to run on the roads are reverse commutes. I live on trails and need to run through trails to get to the roads. I have the ATR5 and the Stinson 5. The ATR5 is ok but the Stinson 5 is too big, high and heavy. I'm looking for something a bit more responsive for tempo days on the roads that will make it through the trails.
On my 13 mile run around our lake in Wisconsin....I run pavement, dirt road, ice age trail and back to pavement.
Hey Seth, would you recommend these for an east coast 100 miler? Not too technical trails, but lots of water crossings??
I love the Challenger 3s, but who actually cares about the shoes with a views like that? Stunning.
Don't commute, but have several regular local routes that go pavement > trail > pavement.
As winter is approaching, could you do a vlog on winter gear? Specifically running tights?
I commute urban to trail most days, I have the ATR5 and found that my foot slips around a little bit too much. they especially dont work t=with Injinji socks....oh no, not a good mix. I prefer my inov8 park claw 275`s.
QD: I do actually commute to buffed out trails. What I’m looking for now is a winter shoe to run on snow, ice, mud, on these trails.
QD: I do not own a pair of trail shoes, so when I trail run I use my peg 36's
Same, but I use my NewBalance 880v10
IMO Merrell would be the best for trail and Hoka for pavement road.
QD: actually almost all of my runs are a mixture of easy trail and road. So far, I've used road running shoes for that. Maybe I'll try a commuter shoe some time
My first trail shoe was a Challenger, 100k in I had bad delamination, OK maybe I got a lemon pair? Hoka gave me a new pair and same thing, delamination at 100k so I upgraded to the Speedgoats and got a 1000km out of them bad boys and lots of black nails 😂
Just finished 13.1 🤠🇺🇸👍
Challenger ATR 5: very good shoe!
I recently bought the speedgoat. Same problem with the laces. I had to change them. When I pulled them tight it only tightened the the last loop hole. Weird.
I’m just getting into Hoka and got a pair of Clifton 6s which I love. Wanting a trail shoe from hoka that’s similar. Would this one be closer or would the speedgoat be closer?
Hi Seth, will you being doing a review on the Saucony Peregrine 10?
I don’t think so I’m 2020... open to it if Saucony sends over a pair. Thanks for the comment
Hi Seth. Would you recommend this shoe for a dirt/gravel park service road that connects to few sections of paved roads? I normally run this in the Speedgoat 3, but wonder if this shoe would be a better fit.
Ever day i run on the streets to the trails across the street. Run on.
Speed laces will solve that lockdown problem