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Oh my gosh! I lost count! If we're lucky, he'll think each one through when he digs this video up and sits down to watch it. Keep being fantastic Joey!
Fantastic video Joey! Sad how non-Vegans reach for any excuse to not help end heinous abuses toward Animals. One day a week for food prep makes eating plant based super easy, if you eat mostly WFPB its also incredibly cheaper than eating Animal products. If you can cook meat you csn cook plant based foods #NoExcuses #VeganIsTheFuture Go #Vegan #VeganForTheAnimals #VeganForThePlanet #VeganForYourHealth
How many times did you dart your eyes off to the side and try to think of the next thing to say without taking in fully what he’s saying? Then again, you would never ever consider yourself wrong so not surprising really. You can tell by body language when someone is fully engaged and has a level of openness to new ideas but you sir are an epitome of militant activist that drives themselves crazy and doesn’t just live life and let peoples personal choices just be. Food is personal and it’s not as simple as good guy bad guy.
I mean I'm vegan and I understand what he was saying. Taking 10 minutes one time to talk is not as time consuming as overhauling your diet/ lifestyle. Crap excuse nonetheless but its not a gotcha type moment.
All of Joey’s arguments went in one ear & right out the other. It’s almost like he’s a robot that’s programmed to repeat the same talking points over & over lol
Nope that would be the non-vegans with the SAME EXACT BORING arguments against compassion over and over and over again. Ancestors tho, plants tho, since the dawn of time tho, circle of life tho, lions tho, culture tho, crop deaths tho. It's CONSTANT! Vegans respond with the same response to the same arguments.
@@rondarkman. And in Saudi Arabia people don't need excuses to _not_ stone gay people to death because it's the norm. It's great how appealing to popularity can allow you to hurt others. It makes so much sense/s
some people dont have the capacity to face reality, its not their fault they just cant do it. The same people will normally get angry very quickly even if the conversation is civil and take everything as an insult
Appeal to nature, appeal to tradition, appeal to futility, annectodal evidence… it just amazes me the speed at which they jump from one fallacy to another
It's facinating how societal norms program us to reliably think like this. It makes you very wary of other areas where you may be culturally conditioned and just haven't thought about it.
I have a friend that whenever HE brings up veganism he will just ramble for 10 minutes and talk over me without letting us dive into any specific topic. Then, when I start to try and refute his arguments, he ends the conversation. Yet he brings up veganism a lot which makes me think he's thinking about it a lot.
Even if convenience were some weird justification it amazes me that people try to say being vegan is difficult. Yesterday I had spaghetti bolognese, tonight I'm gonna have kebabs, tomorrow maybe pizza or baked potato or curry or stew all 100% plant based.. The prep and cooking effort is exactly the same. This guy is all about "I am not vegan because other people or animals aren't" It's time to take responsibility for our own choices and actions.
I think it IS difficult for most people who simply don't bother thinking much about what they eat. Someone who whips up a steak and some vegies is going to be eating a reasonably nutritious meal. Especially if they also eat some cereals and a couple of glasses of milk through the day. But for a vegan meal to be nutritious, you have to think about it. That's why it's said that "well-planned" plant-based meals "can" be healthy and nutritious.
He could not get it right and knew that he had no chance of winning, so he had to leave. Lol! Well done Joey. Your arguments are strong, and your patience is consistent.
Vegan diet is great tried it just wasn’t for me. Understanding vegan diet is easy everyone gets it, no meat. Animal cruelty has absolutely nothing to do with eating meat. Eating animal products and harvesting meat to eat isn’t animal cruelty and there’s laws all around the world that allows citizens to do as they choose within these laws. Everyone is different and the main thing in life is too live your best life and thank the farmers for producing products for us to eat and enjoy.
In Switzerland they just did a vote on whether intensive farming should be banned. It didn't pass as most of the votes were to block the ban. Which goes to show that we first change mentalities and only then the law.
@Tiago True. People often use the excuse that it should be up to governments or food producers to change but they are beholden to the voter and the consumer. If people keep voting for animal cruelty with their wallets and ballots then it will continue. The crazy thing is that most people are against unnecessary animal cruelty but they are ignorant of their impact and apathetic to change because it's hard to think about something that implicates you in wrong doing. It's a hard thing for people to admit to, especially when it's so normalised, something they do every day and something everyone around them does. Part of that ignorance comes from manipulation by producers, convincing people that it is humans, healthy, and necessary. But they only promote these lies because it lines their pockets. It's business. The only way we can change the system is by spreading awareness and educating people even if they don't want to hear it. Social change comes before systemic change. It's the same with any ethical movement.
It's not that he even knows it, it's just that this is the same cliche stuff everyone manages to think up on the spot to use as an excuse. They've never once had to think the details of why it's not true, and are throwing it out there in desperation. It's no longer about being right, it's just about making sure they don't lose.
@@rondarkman. Both are acts of violent abuse. Both can be excused simply by not caring about them. You have not made a single logical argument as to why its ok for you to harm animals when you dont have to.
He sat down readybfir an argument, and then railed off every single stupid excuse. I found it funny that he said he didn't have time, but he has 25 minutes to sit and talk with a stranger .... could make a meal in that time 🤣
@@GarudaLegends a cult? Having compassion for animals and not wanting them to suffer is a "cult"? You are the reason why human causes do not interest me.
something i like about this debate that's different from a lot of the ones that joey does is that he explains to the other person the process he's going through to help the other person better understand veganism, and i feel like that helps not only them but also us as viewers to have our thoughts more organized when we're talking to non vegans about veganism
Sometimes I get stuck on one argument, yet I have never seen joey debating someone who uses it. Some people just don't care about animals, That being vegan is oversensitivity. I think of discrimination, that some people would use the same reasonning for slavery, but they say it's not the same thing. I can't really formulate a convincing argument.
@@smashmusique that's the one i get all the time too!! one time my friend was like "i just don't care" and i was like "well WHY don't you care" and she was like "bc it doesn't affect me" and i didn't have a reply at the time, but i think something i could have used is "but veganism isn't about how your choices affect you, it's about the victim" maybe that would help you??
Before I became vegan when I was made concious I was eating animals, I never thought it was justified. I was like "yeah, what i'm doing is awful and I will change it as soon as possible". It amazes how so many people can lie to themselves so blatantly, they really don't care about the truth
“Don’t have the time” is his first excuse. For my meals, I boil grains and legumes, soak nuts to eat raw, some lentils I sprout to eat raw, eat raw fruit. My meals require virtually no effort. I don’t even own a refrigerator. I don’t understand.
@@RalphRoberts1 'Just as with grains and legumes, soaking nuts is essential for proper digestions. When eating nuts that haven't been soaked, the phytic acid binds to minerals in the gastrointestinal tract and can not be absorbed in the intestine and to many bound minerals can lead to mineral deficiencies.'
oh, you dont understand.. thats cute. im assuming your sitting at home 24/7 and watching your lentils sprout. its not unlikely that the person being interviewed has to work 2 jobs or at least overtime on a daily basis. he doesnt have time for that nonsense. he might have the time to go into a supermarket, get a sandwich and continue working. he might have the time to go to a food truck and get sth. but he surely doesnt have time to "boil grains".. and even if.. what is he doing with it? fill it in a bottle and eat it later when its cold?
It does NOT take more "work" to become/be vegan. This meathead just doesn't want to do ANY mental work that deviates from the (his) norm, because his complacent & simple lifestyle is juuuuust right. 👌🏻
this is a great example that all vegans should consider when doing outreach, you have to understand that most people are no where close to having these concepts understood and are just coming from a place that is not logical or rational.
Food is not being overproduced. He’s confusing overproduction with food waste. The main causes of food waste are supply chain issues (bad weather, processing problems (ie rampant Covid at slaughterhouses), unstable markets etc. One third of food produced in the the US is never consumed. 26% of meat poultry and fish are thrown out at the consumer level. Food waste effects everything from wasted land and water resources to ghg’s and climate change. As we know animal products are the biggest users of land and water and produce more ghg’s than plant products not only in their production but also their methane emissions when in landfill. So if he was really concerned about food waste, he’d be vegan.
Bravo Joey! He started getting really defensive when you, so beautifully, told him that eating meat is cruel and the solution is to be vegan. I think you really got that point home to him and he suddenly started getting extremely defensive and not really making sense anymore. You definitely planted a seed and did some major shifting. He may be thinking about eating meat as a cruel act for the first time in his life. For me it was a heartbreak and total moral anguish! I couldn’t eat anything for days when I really understood the horror dairy cows go through.
Excellent debate, there is no moral justification for not being vegan ! When you stop thinking about yourself and start thinking about the victims it is easy to choose a Whole food All plant diet !! No excuse for animal abuse !!
@Sara Andersson No of course not ! Humans are suppose to have moral agency. Humans, unless they are in survival situation have choices, we can abuse and kill animals for pleasure because we don't need animal products to survive, or, they can go to the store and choose many wonderful healthier foods to eat, lions don't go to the store,they can't shop on line or go to restaurants, lions kill and eat animals to survive. Do you think factory farms and slaughter houses cause unnecessary suffering and death to animals ? Are you paying someone on your behalf to abuse and kill animals for your pleasure ?
Wow man, Joey, I applaud your patience with this guy. I couldn't stop slapping my forehead, its jaw dropping to think that so many people think think the same. Its not hard to be vegan in the u.k, it takes a bit of education and looking, thats all. These people just dont want to change because its so personal to them.
I'm not sure which is harder to hear: those who try to rinse our ears out with every excuse under the sun or those who say they care more about satisfying their taste buds than the life of the animals.
@@x-latetv-x6816 why do you post anti vegan comments on vegan videos? Are you a vegan that's trolling or are you an anti vegan that's so obsessed with veganism?
@@x-latetv-x6816 and the animal that your eating wants to live and im sure if you were in a position of someone wanting to hurt you or take your life youd beg to live, why dont you show animals the same mercy that you would like to be shown if you were put in a similar situation. why treat others in a way you would detest being treated over something as silly as taste pleasure
Selfishness, he states! Killing another sentient being and keeping them in horrible conditions, exploitation. These are the most selfish things you can do to another being! Because we do not have to. We do it cause we want their flesh. Furthermore, we can actually have meat today that is made from plants that taste better than meat! And I state this with all certainty, being a former, heavy meat eater. And even Further, we can live a carcinogen, cholesterol free life. The most selfish thing you can do is take the life of another sentient being, when you do not have to. And sell their dead bodies for money! The worst thing about being human is how we can be programmed to accept a certain reality and behaviors, that most of us do not have the intelligence, or discipline to brake away from. This is why the most important vegan actions should be with children in schools. Not to state that grownups can’t change.
this dude has a fundamental lack of critical thinking. which is pretty much everybody until a time that one chooses to deliberately learn how to think critically/logically. Myself included, I eventually got to a point where I decided to answer the question within myself …”what does critical thinking actually mean and how is it actually done?”
For most people and it DOES seem like a great thing of the idea for 1.7 Billion people to reduce meat consumption, even doing a Meatless Monday.....BUT for Joey who has been inside Slaughter Houses, Pig Prisons, Chicken Sheds, Turkey Sheds, and has seen this suffering 1st hand(Most People could not even handles this)!!! Reducing will NEVER be enough for The Animals. Just have the put yourself in the Victims position!!!!💚💚❤❤
I've come to the conclusion thT the reason many don't go vegan is because they can't IMAGINE it's actually possible . Yet when you change yourself, the world changes. Each individual has effect, yet many think other people have to change first!
It's possible for alot of people but I do accept some people have issues with plants, also veganism is a choice and if someone doesn't want to be vegan, they don't need an argument in order to not be vegan
@@x-latetv-x6816 Literally everything is a (personal) choice, no matter which movie to watch or assaulting someone 🍿👊🏼 If a personal choice not only affects themselves but also others, then the they ought to consider others and not just themselves - simple enough 🤷🏻♂️🌱🖖🏼
@@x-latetv-x6816 I would say it's important to define your desired state (eg , I can imagine myself being a vegan). Then it becomes real, so imagination is the operating first principle. Arguments come later of pros and cons. I've met 3 people who decided as children( 7 years) imagined its possible, and it was , only later logic, ext .
Am I the only one who’s getting annoyed because he doesn’t want to accept that his not being vegan is because he values taste more not survival. So frustrating
If what you said at the end is true, that each and every restaurant in the UK has vegan options, that all the fast food companies offer vegan versions of their products, you are very lucky in the UK. We have a long way to go to reach that availability of vegan options in Austria.
To be fair and accurate, Veganism was coined by Dot & Donald Watson in the '40s, and it actually centered around nutrition. It wasn't until the Leslie J. Cross era of The Vegan Society that a new definition built on animal rights was introduced.
How is eating meat once or twice a week waaaaayyyy easier than going vegan? You're not eating meat 5 or 6 days a week with no problem but for some reason you can't do it for 1 or 2 more days for the animals?
well you are speaking facts heath wise there is also ethics and environment to consider with ethics how can you morally justify taking a innocent life for no good reason intentionally?
Not much point raising the historical situation. Veganism is a modern ethic and not related to the prehistoric past. In any case you could argue that ancient humans (before agriculture) were vegan anyway. Sure, ancients hunted and ate animals, but they hadn't developed what we call modern ethics. They simply did what they could to survive and weren't owning and commodifying the animals around them. An interesting distinction about the vegan ethical position is that we are really talking about certain basic rights. Most of us act as though other people have these rights, veganism is just the idea that we also act in that way to other species whenever we can.
You've got more power as a consumer than you have as a voter. Don't wait for the law to catch up with public sentiment about animal welfare, when people find out that it means they have to give up something they soon change their mind.
Well done Joey, mad respect for keeping your cool talking to a dude with rocks for brains. Some people just don't have the guts to own up to their actions and make a change.
Whyvdid he bring up 1000 year ago then? We dont have a time machine to live 1000 years ago. So how can he use that as an excuse to survive. So stupid .
If this guy looks at this video and sees this comment, plz don't get duped into the, you have to have an argument in order to not be vegan. Veganism is a choice and their is nothing vegans can do about it. This is very specific , you do not need an argument against veganism in order to not be vegan. Don't be duped by vegans
you absolutley do need a logical reason LMFAO. thats like telling a murderer they dont have to justify themselves to anyone, or a dog abuser that they dont have to justify themselves. if someone kills someone we need to know why or hurting a dog, and if they dont have a reason for doing it, and there only reason was because they wanted to, then thats not a good enough reason to hurt someone else. same with hurting animals. i dont know what fantasy land you live in to believe you dont have to have a justification to hurt someone else. theres nothing about being duped, its called common sense and logic, and if you dont have a reason or any explanation or logic then you are the definition of delusional. i dont know why you think you are fighting some sort of battle, your literally fighting against people who are asking people to eat plants instead of hurting animals and the planet, like your not some sort of warrior your just a sad individual who is arguing against those who eat plants instead of living beings lmfao and for some reason being personally triggered by it, go do something else with your life. Vegans are fighting for billions of lives who dont wanna die and are being exploited, the planet, and humans who are starving because of animal industry, you are apart of the main issues in the world, yet somehow youve convinced yourself that your fighting for some big cause by fighting against people only eating plants and not hurting others??? wild. wont respond u seem obsessive judging from your comments you are one of those brick wall anti vegans who just enjoy being contrary and being an npc. your brainwashing has gone too deep and not wasting anymore time than this. you and your other antivegan friends circlejerking eachother and never listening or trying to understand any other point of view stuck in your echo chamber and enjoying being ignorant
But seeds are planted by the millions of views these videos get. So seeds are being planted. Maybe not this one guy, but other people who listen to the video.
How many excuses did you count?
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Oh my gosh! I lost count! If we're lucky, he'll think each one through when he digs this video up and sits down to watch it. Keep being fantastic Joey!
Fantastic video Joey!
Sad how non-Vegans reach for any excuse to not help end heinous abuses toward Animals.
One day a week for food prep makes eating plant based super easy, if you eat mostly WFPB its also incredibly cheaper than eating Animal products. If you can cook meat you csn cook plant based foods #NoExcuses
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How many times did you dart your eyes off to the side and try to think of the next thing to say without taking in fully what he’s saying? Then again, you would never ever consider yourself wrong so not surprising really. You can tell by body language when someone is fully engaged and has a level of openness to new ideas but you sir are an epitome of militant activist that drives themselves crazy and doesn’t just live life and let peoples personal choices just be. Food is personal and it’s not as simple as good guy bad guy.
Hey Joey, we’ll said & well done! And wishin you all the best. Next time your back home would love to catch up.
But, why don’t you talk to not longer vegans and convince them to go vegan again? As I know over 80% of vegans are not longer vegan.
"I don't have the time."
But he had the time to make all those excuses.
A tradie on smoko
vegans dont make excuses,they do veganism👍
@CarnismDebunked Right? I bet he cooks meat, if you can cook at all you can cook plant based foods #noexcuses
@@abhishekkhadakkar4212 how long you been vegan?
I mean I'm vegan and I understand what he was saying. Taking 10 minutes one time to talk is not as time consuming as overhauling your diet/ lifestyle. Crap excuse nonetheless but its not a gotcha type moment.
All of Joey’s arguments went in one ear & right out the other. It’s almost like he’s a robot that’s programmed to repeat the same talking points over & over lol
Definition of braindead
Nope that would be the non-vegans with the SAME EXACT BORING arguments against compassion over and over and over again. Ancestors tho, plants tho, since the dawn of time tho, circle of life tho, lions tho, culture tho, crop deaths tho. It's CONSTANT! Vegans respond with the same response to the same arguments.
Yes It's a shame he has to keep repeating himself but that's because the excuses are always the same, and most people just don't want to hear it
@@rondarkman. And in Saudi Arabia people don't need excuses to _not_ stone gay people to death because it's the norm. It's great how appealing to popularity can allow you to hurt others. It makes so much sense/s
@@rondarkman. But they are not food they are sentient animals just like you
Some people just aren't ready to face themselves. Thankfully lots of other people are connecting the dots. Keep on putting it out there Joey!
some people dont have the capacity to face reality, its not their fault they just cant do it. The same people will normally get angry very quickly even if the conversation is civil and take everything as an insult
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84% of vegans face the fact the vegan diet is unhealthy, and go back to eating meat.
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I face myself everyday and consciously acknowledge the fact that I love aninal products. Deal with it.
Appeal to nature, appeal to tradition, appeal to futility, annectodal evidence… it just amazes me the speed at which they jump from one fallacy to another
Anecdotal evidence is technically wrong, it's anecdotal claim which needs to be studied to see if it's holds through or can be outright dismissed.
It's facinating how societal norms program us to reliably think like this. It makes you very wary of other areas where you may be culturally conditioned and just haven't thought about it.
dont need a excuse to eat food. if you want to eat a salad like a dork, then go ahead. i will eat food called meat.
@@GarudaLegends powerful arguments. You really seem like a highly intelligent person
@@alejandrooo14 trust me, i am smarter than you. you are not intelligent enough to realize that veganism is a cult, and you are a mindless sheep. lol.
Your patience is so admirable. All the power to you joey
I have a friend that whenever HE brings up veganism he will just ramble for 10 minutes and talk over me without letting us dive into any specific topic. Then, when I start to try and refute his arguments, he ends the conversation. Yet he brings up veganism a lot which makes me think he's thinking about it a lot.
Haha, so typical. He'll reach the end of that process some day in the future hopefully :)
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I bet that if you try to get a word in he'll say something like "don't force your beliefs on me" or "I don't wanna talk about this"
Even if convenience were some weird justification it amazes me that people try to say being vegan is difficult. Yesterday I had spaghetti bolognese, tonight I'm gonna have kebabs, tomorrow maybe pizza or baked potato or curry or stew all 100% plant based.. The prep and cooking effort is exactly the same.
This guy is all about "I am not vegan because other people or animals aren't" It's time to take responsibility for our own choices and actions.
omg kebabs sound so good!! what kind of stuff do you put on yours? i love mushrooms on mine
@@addison4785 Vivera Greek style "meat" strips, chilli sauce, chopped red cabbage, lettuce, onion, garlic mayo. All in a wrap.
@@Human_Herbivore omg that sounds amazing i'll have to try it sometime
I think it IS difficult for most people who simply don't bother thinking much about what they eat. Someone who whips up a steak and some vegies is going to be eating a reasonably nutritious meal. Especially if they also eat some cereals and a couple of glasses of milk through the day. But for a vegan meal to be nutritious, you have to think about it. That's why it's said that "well-planned" plant-based meals "can" be healthy and nutritious.
@@graememcelligott8874 plant based diets don't have to be any more planned than those containing meat, dairy and eggs though.
Im part of nature in the middle of the mall with my t shirt back pack holding a microphone talking to joey on video. Lol
He could not get it right and knew that he had no chance of winning, so he had to leave. Lol! Well done Joey. Your arguments are strong, and your patience is consistent.
Thanks Joey for grilling this Polish guy - I feel like a seed has been planted. Vegan Polish bloke here.
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What a frustrating conversation! I don’t know how Joey stays so calm. The dude either isn’t listening, or he just doesn’t understand 🤦🏻♂️
Vegan diet is great tried it just wasn’t for me. Understanding vegan diet is easy everyone gets it, no meat. Animal cruelty has absolutely nothing to do with eating meat. Eating animal products and harvesting meat to eat isn’t animal cruelty and there’s laws all around the world that allows citizens to do as they choose within these laws. Everyone is different and the main thing in life is too live your best life and thank the farmers for producing products for us to eat and enjoy.
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@@joshshadbolt8304 you haven’t gone deep enough ‘yet’ brother. Keep diving.
In Switzerland they just did a vote on whether intensive farming should be banned. It didn't pass as most of the votes were to block the ban. Which goes to show that we first change mentalities and only then the law.
@Tiago True. People often use the excuse that it should be up to governments or food producers to change but they are beholden to the voter and the consumer. If people keep voting for animal cruelty with their wallets and ballots then it will continue.
The crazy thing is that most people are against unnecessary animal cruelty but they are ignorant of their impact and apathetic to change because it's hard to think about something that implicates you in wrong doing. It's a hard thing for people to admit to, especially when it's so normalised, something they do every day and something everyone around them does.
Part of that ignorance comes from manipulation by producers, convincing people that it is humans, healthy, and necessary. But they only promote these lies because it lines their pockets. It's business.
The only way we can change the system is by spreading awareness and educating people even if they don't want to hear it. Social change comes before systemic change. It's the same with any ethical movement.
@@DandelionGum1 well said 🌱🖖🏼
The voze was not about slaughterhouses, it was about the mass produce of animals
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@@NoName-fd6bi Wasn't it factory farming?
He knows every weak excuse we've heard a million times.
It's not that he even knows it, it's just that this is the same cliche stuff everyone manages to think up on the spot to use as an excuse. They've never once had to think the details of why it's not true, and are throwing it out there in desperation. It's no longer about being right, it's just about making sure they don't lose.
Sadly this is the mindset of the majority of people.
@@rondarkman. Thats not an argument. Thats just an admission of lack of empathy. Rape isn't bad if you dont care.
@@rondarkman. Both are acts of violent abuse. Both can be excused simply by not caring about them. You have not made a single logical argument as to why its ok for you to harm animals when you dont have to.
@@pacmanmcgavin7034 And yet millions of vegans are proving that to be incorrect.
He sat down readybfir an argument, and then railed off every single stupid excuse. I found it funny that he said he didn't have time, but he has 25 minutes to sit and talk with a stranger .... could make a meal in that time 🤣
Anti-Vegan Bingo! Somehow both my favorite and least favorite type of person to talk to during outreach 😂
Great work staying on message!
I'm gonna do that write down all the classic excuses and see if I get a full house 🤣
Haha outreach. It really is a religion. A starvation cult.
There are no excuses not to live a Vegan lifestyle. Great work Joey, you are very patient. 💚🌱💚
@@rondarkman. you then are an animal abuser.
still no reason to join the vegan cult
still no reason to join the vegan cult
@@GarudaLegends a cult? Having compassion for animals and not wanting them to suffer is a "cult"? You are the reason why human causes do not interest me.
@@GarudaLegends keep commenting, you are helping Joey to earn a little bit of pocket money.
2:32 this is my favorite question of all times. From then most of the smart people become dumb.
something i like about this debate that's different from a lot of the ones that joey does is that he explains to the other person the process he's going through to help the other person better understand veganism, and i feel like that helps not only them but also us as viewers to have our thoughts more organized when we're talking to non vegans about veganism
Sometimes I get stuck on one argument, yet I have never seen joey debating someone who uses it. Some people just don't care about animals, That being vegan is oversensitivity.
I think of discrimination, that some people would use the same reasonning for slavery, but they say it's not the same thing.
I can't really formulate a convincing argument.
@@smashmusique that's the one i get all the time too!! one time my friend was like "i just don't care" and i was like "well WHY don't you care" and she was like "bc it doesn't affect me" and i didn't have a reply at the time, but i think something i could have used is "but veganism isn't about how your choices affect you, it's about the victim"
maybe that would help you??
Love watching this guys channel still even years later. Glad you do what you do brother.
thank you for all you do, Joey! Great debate 💚🌱
Possibly the best video you've done in terms of relevance, as this is so typical of the kinds of discussions we all get involved in. Thanks.
Before I became vegan when I was made concious I was eating animals, I never thought it was justified. I was like "yeah, what i'm doing is awful and I will change it as soon as possible". It amazes how so many people can lie to themselves so blatantly, they really don't care about the truth
"Try to convince the companies not to overproduce."
People love to say, "we should stop the companies from doing what I pay them to do."
A new day, all the same old excuses.
They can’t win.
“Don’t have the time” is his first excuse. For my meals, I boil grains and legumes, soak nuts to eat raw, some lentils I sprout to eat raw, eat raw fruit. My meals require virtually no effort. I don’t even own a refrigerator. I don’t understand.
Why soak nuts? I get soaking lentils rice and stuff ahead of time to cut back on cook time but nuts? Also why tf do you not have a fridge?
@@RalphRoberts1 'Just as with grains and legumes, soaking nuts is essential for proper digestions. When eating nuts that haven't been soaked, the phytic acid binds to minerals in the gastrointestinal tract and can not be absorbed in the intestine and to many bound minerals can lead to mineral deficiencies.'
@@Veganarchy-Zetetic that's the first time I've ever heard that. Where'd you get this from?
@@RalphRoberts1 First thing that came up on Google search.
oh, you dont understand.. thats cute. im assuming your sitting at home 24/7 and watching your lentils sprout.
its not unlikely that the person being interviewed has to work 2 jobs or at least overtime on a daily basis. he doesnt have time for that nonsense. he might have the time to go into a supermarket, get a sandwich and continue working. he might have the time to go to a food truck and get sth. but he surely doesnt have time to "boil grains".. and even if.. what is he doing with it? fill it in a bottle and eat it later when its cold?
Joey
You are a great debater!
Keep it up brother!
He got caught and debunked. He just left his own laziness on the table.
that blink at 2:56 after he said:"people were eating meat since the beginning"
thank you joey for your educational work
thank you joey you are amazing! you help me to better advocate for animals!
Thank you for all that you do wish that I had your patience
Like most non vegans, he seems like a good and moral person, he's just not able to face the reality and break passed his cognitive bias. :(
Same old arguments. Thank you for your persistence and patience Joey.
It does NOT take more "work" to become/be vegan. This meathead just doesn't want to do ANY mental work that deviates from the (his) norm, because his complacent & simple lifestyle is juuuuust right. 👌🏻
@@rondarkman. they are not yours at all, all animals should be able to be free in the wild. your a sick individual, seek mental help and be vegan.
this is a great example that all vegans should consider when doing outreach, you have to understand that most people are no where close to having these concepts understood and are just coming from a place that is not logical or rational.
It’s pretty much usually the same conversation
You have way more patience than me, Joey. I would have been fuming. 🔥
This man's hopeless. Face-palm! "Overproducing" is all he kept coming back to. Unreasonable!
I liked the video Joey, thanks sir 🌱💚
ugh the average normie has all this nonsense put in their head put there by big meat. it's so sad and disgusting.
Food is not being overproduced. He’s confusing overproduction with food waste. The main causes of food waste are supply chain issues (bad weather, processing problems (ie rampant Covid at slaughterhouses), unstable markets etc. One third of food produced in the the US is never consumed. 26% of meat poultry and fish are thrown out at the consumer level.
Food waste effects everything from wasted land and water resources to ghg’s and climate change. As we know animal products are the biggest users of land and water and produce more ghg’s than plant products not only in their production but also their methane emissions when in landfill. So if he was really concerned about food waste, he’d be vegan.
Bravo Joey! He started getting really defensive when you, so beautifully, told him that eating meat is cruel and the solution is to be vegan. I think you really got that point home to him and he suddenly started getting extremely defensive and not really making sense anymore. You definitely planted a seed and did some major shifting. He may be thinking about eating meat as a cruel act for the first time in his life. For me it was a heartbreak and total moral anguish! I couldn’t eat anything for days when I really understood the horror dairy cows go through.
Excellent debate, there is no moral justification for not being vegan !
When you stop thinking about yourself and start thinking about the victims it is easy to choose a Whole food All plant diet !!
No excuse for animal abuse !!
Moral justification is subjective to each individual
@@x-latetv-x6816 are you for animal abuse ?
@@jjradV necessary animal abuse I'm for, like for example killing hogs with a shotgun to protect crops I'm for because we need to protect crops
@truth hurts more hot air
@Sara Andersson No of course not !
Humans are suppose to have moral agency.
Humans, unless they are in survival situation have choices, we can abuse and kill animals for pleasure because we don't need animal products to survive, or, they can go to the store and choose many wonderful healthier foods to eat, lions don't go to the store,they can't shop on line or go to restaurants, lions kill and eat animals to survive.
Do you think factory farms and slaughter houses cause unnecessary suffering and death to animals ?
Are you paying someone on your behalf to abuse and kill animals for your pleasure ?
You got patience 😂
Wow man, Joey, I applaud your patience with this guy. I couldn't stop slapping my forehead, its jaw dropping to think that so many people think think the same.
Its not hard to be vegan in the u.k, it takes a bit of education and looking, thats all. These people just dont want to change because its so personal to them.
He was like talking to a doorknob
I'm not sure which is harder to hear: those who try to rinse our ears out with every excuse under the sun or those who say they care more about satisfying their taste buds than the life of the animals.
this guy being more offended about being told hes doing something cruel than literally paying for someone to be murdered for him lmao
It is cruel but for me personally it's necessary.
@@x-latetv-x6816 why do you post anti vegan comments on vegan videos? Are you a vegan that's trolling or are you an anti vegan that's so obsessed with veganism?
@@TheLoyalpain I'm not anti vegan and I agree that been vegan can work for a good majority of the population
@@x-latetv-x6816 its not neccessary for you at all. you wont die if you dont eat animals. you mean you want to, wanting to is not the same as need
@@x-latetv-x6816 and the animal that your eating wants to live and im sure if you were in a position of someone wanting to hurt you or take your life youd beg to live, why dont you show animals the same mercy that you would like to be shown if you were put in a similar situation. why treat others in a way you would detest being treated over something as silly as taste pleasure
Selfishness, he states! Killing another sentient being and keeping them in horrible conditions, exploitation. These are the most selfish things you can do to another being! Because we do not have to. We do it cause we want their flesh. Furthermore, we can actually have meat today that is made from plants that taste better than meat! And I state this with all certainty, being a former, heavy meat eater. And even Further, we can live a carcinogen, cholesterol free life.
The most selfish thing you can do is take the life of another sentient being, when you do not have to. And sell their dead bodies for money!
The worst thing about being human is how we can be programmed to accept a certain reality and behaviors, that most of us do not have the intelligence, or discipline to brake away from.
This is why the most important vegan actions should be with children in schools. Not to state that grownups can’t change.
this dude has a fundamental lack of critical thinking. which is pretty much everybody until a time that one chooses to deliberately learn how to think critically/logically. Myself included, I eventually got to a point where I decided to answer the question within myself …”what does critical thinking actually mean and how is it actually done?”
For most people and it DOES seem like a great thing of the idea for 1.7 Billion people to reduce meat consumption, even doing a Meatless Monday.....BUT for Joey who has been inside Slaughter Houses, Pig Prisons, Chicken Sheds, Turkey Sheds, and has seen this suffering 1st hand(Most People could not even handles this)!!! Reducing will NEVER be enough for The Animals. Just have the put yourself in the Victims position!!!!💚💚❤❤
Bro has about 6 iq
Ikr, worst candidate for change.
And you have none
@@ElusiveMadtok so does your mum
@@ElusiveMadtok what moral justification do you have for mass killing of animals?
I've come to the conclusion thT the reason many don't go vegan is because they can't IMAGINE it's actually possible . Yet when you change yourself, the world changes. Each individual has effect, yet many think other people have to change first!
Truth 🌱🖖🏼
It's possible for alot of people but I do accept some people have issues with plants, also veganism is a choice and if someone doesn't want to be vegan, they don't need an argument in order to not be vegan
@@x-latetv-x6816 Literally everything is a (personal) choice, no matter which movie to watch or assaulting someone 🍿👊🏼
If a personal choice not only affects themselves but also others, then the they ought to consider others and not just themselves - simple enough 🤷🏻♂️🌱🖖🏼
@@minimal-vegan I didn't say personal choice, I said choice without the personal before it.
@@x-latetv-x6816 I would say it's important to define your desired state (eg , I can imagine myself being a vegan).
Then it becomes real, so imagination is the operating first principle.
Arguments come later of pros and cons.
I've met 3 people who decided as children( 7 years) imagined its possible, and it was , only later logic, ext .
Am I the only one who’s getting annoyed because he doesn’t want to accept that his not being vegan is because he values taste more not survival. So frustrating
All that time with the mental gymnastics when all he had to admit is that he likes how it tastes!!
I've seen it in so many conversations and debates.
When the light just has not come on yet......He Needs to open his heart!!💖💚💖
Watching a great video 🙏💚🌱
If what you said at the end is true, that each and every restaurant in the UK has vegan options, that all the fast food companies offer vegan versions of their products, you are very lucky in the UK. We have a long way to go to reach that availability of vegan options in Austria.
To be fair and accurate, Veganism was coined by Dot & Donald Watson in the '40s, and it actually centered around nutrition. It wasn't until the Leslie J. Cross era of The Vegan Society that a new definition built on animal rights was introduced.
Your AWESOME ♥️ Joey & I cant say that enough THANK YOU
How is eating meat once or twice a week waaaaayyyy easier than going vegan? You're not eating meat 5 or 6 days a week with no problem but for some reason you can't do it for 1 or 2 more days for the animals?
You always do a great work. Just explained too well!
Over producing? Supply and demand.
Plus meat has subsidies from the government, so people are paying twice.
Amazing that people cant see basic logic.
Great work Joey. It is literally anti vegan nonsense bingo. 🎉
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This guy said every dumb anti vegan comment to the point where there's so much BS that It's hard to respond to all of it
All vegans continued being vegan thru the pandemic. First time i heard the pandemic used as an excuse.
As always you have an answer to all this nonsense 'arguments'. For them it's like playing a chess robot.. impossible to win :D Great job!
nothing is more wasteful than killing a sentient being when you could just eat something else
Trolling outside your own language is awkward
"You had the power all along, dear" - movie quote
Eating a moderate amount meat is actually healthy for you. As are eggs and fish and shellfish...keep eating kale you weirdos. More for the rest of us.
well you are speaking facts heath wise there is also ethics and environment to consider
with ethics how can you morally justify taking a innocent life for no good reason intentionally?
@@its_conner_vegan because that's how the world works...animals eat other animals. Humans eat animals too.
Not much point raising the historical situation. Veganism is a modern ethic and not related to the prehistoric past. In any case you could argue that ancient humans (before agriculture) were vegan anyway. Sure, ancients hunted and ate animals, but they hadn't developed what we call modern ethics. They simply did what they could to survive and weren't owning and commodifying the animals around them. An interesting distinction about the vegan ethical position is that we are really talking about certain basic rights. Most of us act as though other people have these rights, veganism is just the idea that we also act in that way to other species whenever we can.
Thank you for all you do Joey.
You've got more power as a consumer than you have as a voter. Don't wait for the law to catch up with public sentiment about animal welfare, when people find out that it means they have to give up something they soon change their mind.
“I don’t have the time to take 5 seconds to check the back of a packet, but I’ll spend 20 minutes to sit down and try and justify eating animals”
Thank you Joey you have the patience of a saint 🙂
19:33 the majority of conversations with humanity in a nutshell
I'm against animal cruelty, but I eat animals. MAKE IT MAKE SENSE
I think that's something you need to reconcile. Would you eat your cat or your dog?
dont suport animal cruelty or animal exploitation, go vegan
Well done Joey, mad respect for keeping your cool talking to a dude with rocks for brains.
Some people just don't have the guts to own up to their actions and make a change.
Whyvdid he bring up 1000 year ago then? We dont have a time machine to live 1000 years ago. So how can he use that as an excuse to survive. So stupid .
Keep going Joey. For me you are the next thing to a real Saint. But a real one!. So much respect for you brother.
I get so frustrated with people who seem to deliberately side step the bloody obvious !!
Joey, please read the AP article "New Zealand proposes taxing cow burps, angering farmers"
Absolutely amazing!
Ban Slaughter.
If this guy looks at this video and sees this comment, plz don't get duped into the, you have to have an argument in order to not be vegan. Veganism is a choice and their is nothing vegans can do about it. This is very specific , you do not need an argument against veganism in order to not be vegan. Don't be duped by vegans
you absolutley do need a logical reason LMFAO. thats like telling a murderer they dont have to justify themselves to anyone, or a dog abuser that they dont have to justify themselves. if someone kills someone we need to know why or hurting a dog, and if they dont have a reason for doing it, and there only reason was because they wanted to, then thats not a good enough reason to hurt someone else. same with hurting animals. i dont know what fantasy land you live in to believe you dont have to have a justification to hurt someone else. theres nothing about being duped, its called common sense and logic, and if you dont have a reason or any explanation or logic then you are the definition of delusional. i dont know why you think you are fighting some sort of battle, your literally fighting against people who are asking people to eat plants instead of hurting animals and the planet, like your not some sort of warrior your just a sad individual who is arguing against those who eat plants instead of living beings lmfao and for some reason being personally triggered by it, go do something else with your life. Vegans are fighting for billions of lives who dont wanna die and are being exploited, the planet, and humans who are starving because of animal industry, you are apart of the main issues in the world, yet somehow youve convinced yourself that your fighting for some big cause by fighting against people only eating plants and not hurting others??? wild. wont respond u seem obsessive judging from your comments you are one of those brick wall anti vegans who just enjoy being contrary and being an npc. your brainwashing has gone too deep and not wasting anymore time than this. you and your other antivegan friends circlejerking eachother and never listening or trying to understand any other point of view stuck in your echo chamber and enjoying being ignorant
DON'T BE DUPED BY THE ANIMAL KILLING CULT OR YOU MIGHT END UP IN HELL.
When people say that you're equating 2 different things to debunk an analogy don't understand what an analogy is.
Keep up the good work Joey!👏👏👏
These conversations don't work; you have to find a way to plant a seed in people's minds.
But seeds are planted by the millions of views these videos get. So seeds are being planted. Maybe not this one guy, but other people who listen to the video.
As I pour breaded okra into a hot frying pan… actually that’s pretty convenient.
Not very healthy frying breaded food means you usually have to use oils.
@@shawndarling5855 That’s right.
rather your insides than mine.
Got Bingo in just the preview
Companies produce what we demand.
Brilliant joey ❤ thankyou my compassionate hero
Hey Joey, check out the Associated Press article titled "Supreme Court to hear case that could raise price of pork"
That look Joey gave to the camera when the guy was talking about not everyone going vegan cause it won’t happen. His look was priceless.
Polish guy had nothing and thus decided to run away ;)
Education, education, education. Very few of us have been vegan from birth so let's not judge people, educate them
Agreed. But there comes a time when theyve been educated and yet still choose to participate. It's pretty hard not to judge those people.
He’s so rude, joe can’t even finish a sentence 🤦🏻♂️