I'm an electrician myself, and I personally would've just installed an electrical box inside the home, screwed against that floor joist close to where your hole was (though I admit I can't tell by the video how much space you got between the joist and the vent). That way, you don't have to mount that huge ass outdoor electrical box, instead you could've just mounted the weatherproof cover flush with the vinyl cover, so it doesn't stick out as much.
The part I was interested in was getting the base of the vinyl block installed in existing vinyl siding. There are a few manufacturers of this box including Plygem but none seem to have a install video!
Nail the siding color matched box so that they can just barely shift side to side (for expansion) should help with fitting the electrical sealtight box better. Also, silicone won't hurt in key areas.
Drilling blindly into a finished house and then looking for the hole after is a good way to get screwed. Last resort, drill where you haven't seen/ aren't sure of the location of like there's a gas line right behind the bit.
You’re not wrong, but considering just how close that hole was to that vent inside, I’ll bet that hole wasn’t a guess, but measured as best as possible 😅
from what I understand you cant use that romex wire cable because its considered a wet/ damp area outside and since the ground wire is bare in that romex cable is where the issue resides. I think you were suppose to run a sealed conduit thru that wall with THHN Solid wires. I think you can install a junction box to convert the romex to THHN from the inside the basement to outside.
@radozeman I could be wrong Im no electrian but I installed a 30 amp inlet on my house the same way using that same romex. I think anything outside the house is considered a wet / damp even if its in an enclosure. I dont feel like re-running all those cables, so thought a junction box would be the easiest way for me to correct it. And again I could be wrong but down the line I wouldn't want to deal with a bad gorund due to corrosion on the bare wire.
Where is the wire you installed coming from? The source??? Is the other part inside plugged into an outlet or what??? I would like to install one of these on my back deck. Where did you bring that yellow wire from?????😳. What amp is it???? I am lost at the “I am going to push the wire through that hole”. Wire from where?
That part was beyond the scope of this video, there are many different ways you can run this wire. In my case, I used 12/2 Romex wire (yellow) that I ran to the breaker panel on a dedicated breaker (12/2 wire you can use a 20 AMP breaker, if you use 14/2 only 15 AMPS!). You can also run it from another outlet (not plugged into it....)
The deep box is probably OK because otherwise you wont have room to attach the weatherproof while-in-use cover. I tried installing a weatherproof cover on mine but the outlet is too deep inside the "beauty cover" and the thing wouldn't fit. Do you have any recommendation how I can make that work? I wondered if they make a deep box extender or something? Thanks.
Yes I ended up solving with a weatherproof box ring extension, it is about 3/4” wide with a foam gasket. Then I just had to get a couple longer screws. It mounts right over the existing box. Works great.
I believe that was for the hole I drilled through the house? I’d use spray foam to seal it myself. I didn’t in those case because I wanted to get a smaller box and replace the large one.
outlet box not sitting flush with Siding (you even mentioned that)- Shouldn’t there be something between the frame of your exterior outlet box have an additional trim material that sits between outlet frame and actual siding to prevent anything such as moisture or anything between the frame of that outlet box and the the siding? Aesthetically It looks incomplete because of gap!
Do you have the part# for that romex watertight connector that screws to the back of the box? You never showed the packaging clearly, couldn't catch it and can't find it Thanks!
Does sticking your tongue out help with wrapping the grounding conductor around the bond screw? If so, I may give it a go next time I'm in that predicament.
Learn from this example, walk through your installation before you actually do it. It'll save a lot of rework. Things like bending terminal loops, driving the screws all the way down, etc. shows you are not planning the entire job. NEVER assume how things go together.
@@radozeman no I mean cut the siding, slide your box in then just nail or screw it down in the corners where the wires come through, and not the outside corners by taking the siding loose….hope that makes more sense
If it isn't under something, you need an "in-use" cover so it's still waterproof with something plugged in. There's some that collapse, but they're not much smaller when in use.
You don't need to tape the screws on outlets or GFCI receptacles it's not recommended and it's not needed some people do it in metal boxes to feel safer. The screws if installed properly will be within the profile of the GFCI unable to touch the walls of the box you also have on the exterior perimeter of the GFCI some triangles that keep the GFCI away from the box interior walls.
I'm an electrician myself, and I personally would've just installed an electrical box inside the home, screwed against that floor joist close to where your hole was (though I admit I can't tell by the video how much space you got between the joist and the vent). That way, you don't have to mount that huge ass outdoor electrical box, instead you could've just mounted the weatherproof cover flush with the vinyl cover, so it doesn't stick out as much.
I actually couldn't find any weatherproof box that fits the vinyl mounting blocks at all.
The part I was interested in was getting the base of the vinyl block installed in existing vinyl siding. There are a few manufacturers of this box including Plygem but none seem to have a install video!
Not hard with the way this box is designed.
Don't watch this fool
You know what R D Allen stands for Really Dumb
@@radozemanNot hard? The base is larger than the whole that was cut. How on would that go in easily?
Nail the siding color matched box so that they can just barely shift side to side (for expansion) should help with fitting the electrical sealtight box better.
Also, silicone won't hurt in key areas.
Where did you get the white vinyl piece? Would be nice if you include links to products you use in your videos
They sell them at homedepot or.lowes. look in the isle where they sell the siding will be in there.
Drilling blindly into a finished house and then looking for the hole after is a good way to get screwed. Last resort, drill where you haven't seen/ aren't sure of the location of like there's a gas line right behind the bit.
You’re not wrong, but considering just how close that hole was to that vent inside, I’ll bet that hole wasn’t a guess, but measured as best as possible 😅
Nice video. I have to add to boxes by my front step. This was very informative. The heck with the naysayers.
Glad you enjoyed!
You sure know your way around an outdoor box! Nice vid.
Thanks!
from what I understand you cant use that romex wire cable because its considered a wet/ damp area outside and since the ground wire is bare in that romex cable is where the issue resides. I think you were suppose to run a sealed conduit thru that wall with THHN Solid wires. I think you can install a junction box to convert the romex to THHN from the inside the basement to outside.
Possibly, I don’t know anyone that would do it that way! Interesting thought though, possibly because the box is sealed you can use Romex yet.
@radozeman I could be wrong Im no electrian but I installed a 30 amp inlet on my house the same way using that same romex. I think anything outside the house is considered a wet / damp even if its in an enclosure. I dont feel like re-running all those cables, so thought a junction box would be the easiest way for me to correct it. And again I could be wrong but down the line I wouldn't want to deal with a bad gorund due to corrosion on the bare wire.
@@ThruDaLenz oh you’re probably right, everyone just runs romex to outside boxes on buildings anyway.
@@radozeman and thank you.. I feel a little more comfortable about having that romex now. Have a great day.
Thanks. I learned a lot from your "mis-steps".
Oh?
@@radozeman in a good way
Excellent video. Your really professional guy.
Thanks!
Matches nice too.
Where is the wire you installed coming from? The source??? Is the other part inside plugged into an outlet or what??? I would like to install one of these on my back deck. Where did you bring that yellow wire from?????😳. What amp is it???? I am lost at the “I am going to push the wire through that hole”. Wire from where?
That part was beyond the scope of this video, there are many different ways you can run this wire. In my case, I used 12/2 Romex wire (yellow) that I ran to the breaker panel on a dedicated breaker (12/2 wire you can use a 20 AMP breaker, if you use 14/2 only 15 AMPS!). You can also run it from another outlet (not plugged into it....)
Very informative video! By the way, what mounting block was used? I checked local hardware stores, nothing similar.
So did you put something around the box to prevent water to go behind the siding?
Presumably the house as has plywood sheathing so that you can screw/nail into it... Older houses may be different ?
Yes a smaller box would be more aerodynamic
Rotfl 🤣
Good job!
Thanks!
Doakes you kidding me, this know it all don't have a clue he should be making a video on how to cook aTV dinner
Can someone tell me what the name of that saw / cutter is to cut vinyl siding at 53sec mark? I need one thanks.
Oscillating Multitool
@@radozeman awesome, thank you!
Well my plan was to use this then continue the run with pvc for a pool pump. Unfortunately, you lose the access to the holes
With this you do yes.
@@radozeman I guess I could hustle put the WP box right on the siding. It just won’t be level.
I see it's dewalt, how do I find the exact saw you used?
DeWalt DCS356B
What do you call the sighting from box.? I’m shopping for one and don’t know the proper name of it
Sighting trim box I meant
It’s a vinyl siding trim box mostly for faucets
@@radozeman ah
The deep box is probably OK because otherwise you wont have room to attach the weatherproof while-in-use cover. I tried installing a weatherproof cover on mine but the outlet is too deep inside the "beauty cover" and the thing wouldn't fit. Do you have any recommendation how I can make that work? I wondered if they make a deep box extender or something? Thanks.
Would a weather proof box extension work?
Yes I ended up solving with a weatherproof box ring extension, it is about 3/4” wide with a foam gasket. Then I just had to get a couple longer screws. It mounts right over the existing box. Works great.
Do u have a link to the vinyl removing tool?
a.co/d/g77K8Pq
@ 4:25 you mention a sealer you would omit this time. what sealer did you have in mind ??
I believe that was for the hole I drilled through the house? I’d use spray foam to seal it myself. I didn’t in those case because I wanted to get a smaller box and replace the large one.
The one that should be on his mouth
outlet box not sitting flush with Siding (you even mentioned that)- Shouldn’t there be something between the frame of your exterior outlet box have an additional trim material that sits between outlet frame and actual siding to prevent anything such as moisture or anything between the frame of that outlet box and the the siding? Aesthetically It looks incomplete because of gap!
No, that’s what that siding box/frame is for.
What size screw did you use to install box into the plywood of the house through the vinyl? (Thanks!).
I’d like to say those where #10 x 1”
Neat and workmanship like manner I don’t think so
How so?
Do you have the part# for that romex watertight connector that screws to the back of the box? You never showed the packaging clearly, couldn't catch it and can't find it Thanks!
Halex, 1/2 in. Service Entrance... www.amazon.com/dp/B000M2XXW8?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share
@@radozeman Thanks!!!
Seems like those mounting blocks would allow water behind the siding.
You could tape it, I won't tape the bottom though. And water can get behind the siding even it there isn't a hole.
I personally like the outside cover to have less projection so using a shallow weather tight box is preferred. But informative vid 👍
It would be a nice thing if you taped the cuttings you made on the vapor barrier or at least not go so deep for starters.
Vapor barrier? What vapor barrier?! I suppose the black tar paper maybe counts?
Great job. But have you considered do vioce over work or radio ?
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
aren't you supposed to put Butyl tape above the box?
If you have a normally sheathed house yes, or at least whatever type of tape is needed depending on your sheathing.
Great commentating voice.
Thanks!
@@radozeman your welcome
how much would you charge for doing that sir
Depends on situation and materials needed, but probably $2-400
doesnt show the hardest part of video... getting the base installed...
Watch someone else's video,hopefully someone who knows what he's doing.Not a handyman
10minutes. The video is 11 minutes
Does sticking your tongue out help with wrapping the grounding conductor around the bond screw? If so, I may give it a go next time I'm in that predicament.
Learn from this example, walk through your installation before you actually do it. It'll save a lot of rework. Things like bending terminal loops, driving the screws all the way down, etc. shows you are not planning the entire job. NEVER assume how things go together.
It is not wise to bend back that bend copper! It will more easely brake at that point..
It could " break" too!
Or, "easily break" too.
Where the flip flops?
Too warm out for those 🥵🥶
@@radozeman lol
Couldn’t you have just screwed the box down on the Inside instead of taking the siding loose?
You mean on the outside of the siding? No you are supposed to use one of those box things that fits in the siding.
@@radozeman no I mean cut the siding, slide your box in then just nail or screw it down in the corners where the wires come through, and not the outside corners by taking the siding loose….hope that makes more sense
@@joshuaboxdorfer820 Yes he could've done that he made a mess out of a simple job.
@@radozeman what do you call those "box things"?
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10 minutes hahahaha 🥵
As long as you don’t count the gathering of tools before or putting away of tools.
Quality takes time and money this BOZO don't have a clue family handyman could use him
Not weathertight
Seems like extra steps why not just install the metal box directly to the siding and caulk the edges?
You could I suppose if you want that look....
Ask the CLOWN 🤡 who made the video, he knows it all,
It doesn’t look good, the box has to be installed inside the wall.
Not the correct way! At least not with this style box.
You talk so fast I didn't even need to speed the video up!
You know when it comes to the internet there's people that say I talk too fast, and there's people that say I talk too slow... which is it lol!
that looks terrible. there are flush "duplex" boxes you can use.
And due to supply chain issues at the time, all the local stores were sold out.
It doesn't look right
You could mount the electrical box straight to the siding. Doesn’t look right either if you ask me!
@@radozeman Yeah, that's what I did yesterday... Still not done. I went had got a shallow box today to redo it because it wouldn't close.
Way to bulky sticks out like a sore thumb. Let me guess home owner bought it and wanted you to install.
I wanted to install smaller boxes, but this all that was available at the time….
If it isn't under something, you need an "in-use" cover so it's still waterproof with something plugged in. There's some that collapse, but they're not much smaller when in use.
Looks absolutely awful😢
No electrical tapes to insulate the screw heads?
Not required, but you certainly can if you want! I always do in the smaller metal boxes!
You don't need to tape the screws on outlets or GFCI receptacles it's not recommended and it's not needed some people do it in metal boxes to feel safer. The screws if installed properly will be within the profile of the GFCI unable to touch the walls of the box you also have on the exterior perimeter of the GFCI some triangles that keep the GFCI away from the box interior walls.
Sorry, Your cutting of the vinyl siding is poor quality. Penetrated the house wrap. No caulking to address water intrusion.
Uh there is no house wrap! Where exactly would you caulk with this?
a little duck tape outta staigthen this mess out - can you say Red Green lol
Put your tongue away, jordan
Sorry to say but if ure gonna make a how to video do it the correct way not the lazy way
And what would you change?