10:27 I think the mystic joke is: A mystic goes into a sandwich shop. The sandwich maker asks, what do you want? The mystic replies "Make me one with everything"
My favourite is the one featured on JRE about the psychedelic mushrooms 😆 The power of wishful thinking is very strong with this one. Some ppl are trying really hard to normalize usage of various substances through proving that humanity was always high anyways and it was beneficial. I would say that most civilizations in which substance consumption was widely practiced, often also as a form of religious rituals, were not and still aren’t very successful in the scale of the world...
Survive the Jive(even tho he's a pagan) has a good video on Ancient Cannabis Cults on his YT channel. It's pretty interesting to say the least, but to your point I think the drugs were not a normalized thing for the average commoner but more-so gurus/elites within different religious structures around the world. After all I think they all thought these natural drugs and stuff were divinely sent.
@@sunwheels I agree that in most case drugs were probably used mainly by the priests. But on the other hand, it depends who are we speaking about. Some Native Americans, European pagans ( i do not mean Greeks or Romans) some Asian and African ppl, used drugs more commonly. I would say these particular cultures were not very successful. The ones that did do well and developed math, alphabet, philosophy etc were usually more strict and order focused societies. Thanks for the video recommendation. It sounds very interesting and I’ll check it out for sure:)
Cannabis used in temple worship is another researcher finding. Maybe frankincense or myrrh gives a high. Then again you can get “high” from whatever sugar, caffeine, even sniffing glue.
“They’re not successful because the Christians killed them all man!” I used to take mushrooms and all that. Actually the last time I took them I was really getting back into my Catholic faith and had a pretty religious experience. But they are so, so dangerous and can very easily lead you down a wrong path. So many people think of them like medicine but that is a cope. You don’t need them. Beware of unearned wisdom.
I've heard most of these theories (except the "Ceasar-approved Jesus" one) over the course of my life, back when I was an atheist. Worst thing I actually kind of believed them and found them really interesting. Now these are just really frustrating. You won't believe how many people actually think that the Da Vinci Code stuff is real. You won't believe how often I've heard the "The Church tried to hide that Jesus was married to Mary Magdalene and had children!" or the classic "The Church removed the REAL gospels / The Church invented Jesus to gain power and control the people" when trying to talk about Jesus and the resurrection. I also vividly remember a tv report on the German "science show" Galileo that I watched as a teen, telling us what probably REALLY happened. According to them Jesus didn't die, the people at the crucifixion just thought He was dead because He fell into a coma. And how did He fall into a coma? The vinegar soaked sponge they gave Him was actually just a strong sedative. So when they buried Him in the tomb He wasn't actually dead, just comatose. After a few days He woke up and just walked out causing people to think that he rose from the dead. And after that Jesus moved to India for some reason. Really wacky stuff, wish I could find it again. It's kind of a mix between #5 and #2 from this video.
@@rezr5448 I'd like to think that most of these people don't mean any harm and just don't know any better. They probably never spent any time looking into their beliefs. So I wouldn't go as far as to say that they " gotta justify their degenerate desires" which I think is a bit harsh. Most of these misconceptions you could explain by simply assuming ignorance on their part. I mean there was a point where I didn't know any better until God opened my heart and mind to the truth, which I'm unbelievably thankful for. I think we should just strive to clear up these misconceptions wherever we may encounter them in a loving way.
Jesus taught a version of what the Pharisees taught. The idea the Romans created or strongly altered Christianity is ridiculous. (Likely, the powerful Sadducees, who didn't believe in resurrection and basically were atheists, and Romans were more who Jesus's movement were nonviolently and smartly protesting against.) Maybe the Romans saw Christians as useful by some point, but this opened the door for the Church to transform the Empire and Western civilization and history. Jesus and the Church were and are vessels for the Holy Spirit.
Interesting Are u Catholic now?? I’m just curious, what made you change sides ??? You seem well informed on the claims against Christianity So what prompted you to change??
The coma theory and the ‘swoon’ theory are perhaps the weakest theories in disproving the Resurrection. Anyone with a base idea of Roman crucifixions can tell ya how brutal the whole thing is. Between the beatings, blood loss, asphyxiation, thorns, dragging wood to the site, and a spear through the side, no way would Jesus be walking out his tomb on his own feet.
@@crossbearer6453I try to keep it as short as possible, but it was a long process over the last 9 years. I had a religious experience of "seeing God" while I was in the hospital that made me stop being an atheist (at least kind of, I tried to talk myself out of it for a long time, the "my brain just misfired or something", "I'm going crazy", "It was just a hallucination/psychosis"). After that I took a few years to read all the main religious texts (Bible, Quran, several Buddhist and Hindu texts) and some books on philosophy and and religious experiences (can really recommend 'The Varieties Of Religious Experience' by William James, some of the testimonies captured in this book describe my own religious experience pretty well). After that I kind of lost track of God and my search for Him again, got lost in drugs and alcohol. When I reached another really low point in my life there I met God again, helping me get back to Him. That's when I started studying Christianity more in depth. The search ultimately led me to Catholicism and I was baptised this Easter. I thank God every day that He saved me, but it's still a fight and a struggle. But God has giving me all the things that I have really needed and missed all my life, the things that I tried to fill and replace with sin, drugs, alcohol, porn and just general hedonism. God has freely given me purpose, hope and love in this life. And I can't imagine what He has in store for us in the next life! What about you? From your name I can assume that you're a Christian as well. How did you come to Christ? Hope you have a blessed day, if you want to know more I'll try to answer it to the best of my abilities.
Glad you got around to this. Please do a tear down of “Christ Consciousness” and the influence of Alice Bailey and Helena Blavatsky on the likes of Santos Bonacci and Mark Passio
When Jesus is rejected in his own town the people there pretty much describe his "hidden life", he's just the carpenter's son, his mother's name is Mary, etc. The gospels attest he was known there as a common person, not a world travelling guru.
I find it amusing that Constantine is blamed for everything people don’t like about the church. They make him the one who supposedly suppresses all other religions, when all he did was make Christianity legal. They seem to make him the inventor of orthodoxy, when what he really wanted was for the bishops to decide the question of Jesus’ nature one way or the other. There are even certain compromises that he was willing to accept as long as it made things peaceful again. Even some Christians blame him for not upholding complete separation of church and state, when that concept was itself utterly foreign to the world until very recently.
Something about the phrase "independent scholar" at 14:00 sounds like someone trying to legitimize their fringe theories, though I may be mistaken. Neat video, Trent. Seems like so many people have concepts of Jesus that are so strange, but after all their "research" they can't just accept Him for Who He is.
Well yes because if is common within academia that means it's not fringe, but the lysenkoist/worship black people religion is not fringe, it's quite mainstream
Independence is just a word of something that doesn't really exist, when you really look at things everything and everyone is dependent on others, it's a long list so here's a couple of examples a self employed man or woman is dependent on customers and manufacturers if they have something that needs to be made like vacuum cleaners ect, customers for window cleaners ect, we're dependent on builders to build our homes and shops and so on, and in nature flowers ect are dependant on bees to help with pollination and mankind is dependent on bees for honey, there's literally 1000s of examples I could give, but the ultimate dependence is mankind's on God
It's just a scholar who is basically unemployed, he wasn't able to find a position, a grant or something. But I reckon some wacko with some dubious knowledge could also call themselves an "independent scholar", so the phrase can designate a somewhat dubious personage in this case. So it's either a fraud or a legitimate but unemployed scholar.
There was also a guy in China that was salty that he failed an imperial exam (that allowed one to become a state official), so he claimed to be Jesus's younger brother and revolted against the emperor, establishing a short-lived "heavenly kingdom" and spread a weird hybrid of protestantism and Chinese folk beliefs. Look up Hong Xiuquan and the Taiping Rebellion.
@@stephenjohnson7915 Jordan Peterson is wrong on many things tho. He views Christianity as a psychological/ effective philosophical system and God to him is like just a man made symbol of meta truth. I don’t think this line of argument can change Joes perspective.
The Da Vinci Code has successfully planted seeds of doubt in countless Catholics.. received a question regarding the "hidden gospels in the Vatican" at my Bible study a few weeks ago. Is there a book / other resource that cogently debunks the wacky claims of the Da Vinci Code?
Look up Jimmy Akin's podcast on the Davinci Code. Loooooooong story short, the Dan Brown novel is based of an English book from the mid 20'th century whose author was fooled by an earlier French fraud who claimed to be the rightful king of France.
I read the da Vinci Code Back when I was 14 and found it really really cool, but I never thought it was real. I mean, I wanted it to be real and I felt all kinds of intelligent for reading it and because "omg I'm totally like the protagonist", but still, I knew it was just a detective thriller. In my mind, the author made it clear it was just detective fantasy (although I guess I never really knew that, just thought I did). It wasn't until very recently that I found out there's people who took it as some sort of academic work.
Church of saints established by Jesus under the stewardship of Peter has nothing to do with the pagan romans which is precisely opposite to what the satanic cult believing protestants of sola scriptura a man made tradition invented by a devil possessed man, usually think .
“The simplest way to explain the behavior of any bureaucratic organization is to assume that it is controlled by a cabal of its enemies.” -Robert Conquest’s 3rd rule of politics
Thanks for this Trent. It's a good way to decompress every so often from the more intense and serious and sophisticated fallacies and heresies out there
A small mistake. It was Pliny the Younger, the nephew, who described Christians in an official letter to the Emperor Trajan. The older Pliny, in spite of being the author of the most impressive encyclopedia of the ancient world, never seems to mention Christians.
Psychedelic substances has potential to drastically change the shape of the mental health field in the next decade, but I think those who ascribe to the "all religions came from psychedelics" theory will make people of faith skeptical of them.
Another group of texts that has attracted a lot of wacky theories are the Dead Sea Scrolls, which you alluded to in your discussion of allegro. In the 90s I felt like I was constantly mopping up after all the silly publications.
The weirdest thing about the mushroom one is why would they need to use coded language when that kind of cult wasnt that weird in the Roman empire? Did they want to get persecuted by the Romans as a joke?
The Caesar-approved Christ reminded me about a former co-worker of mine that was into this one very specific online article against Catholicism called "Flavian Dynasty" (at least to the effect of that title, I don't remember the exact title). It was on this conspiracy-looking website called "the pastavarian" and I'd like to see Trent to cover that article. I knew it was bunk especially after see the website's title, but he might already cover the topic since the article was centered about the notion of Constantine founded the Church.
You didn’t mention the Brian Muraresku book about the mushroom cult! That was a very strong Joe Rogan episode that had a lot of biochemical evidence behind it. Definitely worth addressing.
Great! Now, how do we get you on Timcast to school Ian Crossland on all of this? I need you, Jimmy Akin, and Jonathan Pageau on there, not necessarily together, but that could be fun too. 😄
You should do a more in depth debunking of the Sacred Cross and the Mushroom. It almost made me lose my faith. It’s also heavily promoted by New Agers who think that psychedelics lead to enlightenment. One of these new agers who promote the book is a TH-camr named “Dakota of Earth”, he has a large following which isn’t good because of the amount of people that he’s misleading. He also thinks that the burning bush that Moses saw was actually him smoking DMT.
Unfortunately, these are not just "wacky" theories but constitute the heretical basis for some of today's religions like Krishna Hinduism, Islam, and Mormonism.
Trent I’m glad you are covering rogan. I think when he had Aaron Rodgers on they talked about phsycodelics and such. And how the Catholic Church banned a the sacred mushroom and the cross. I’m not catholic but I thought it was a bit far fetched.
Then there's the crazy one from Aomori prefecture that says Jesus' brother died on the cross and Jesus himself moved to Japan and is buried in a town called Shingo. That one's pretty wacky.
Have you done anything on the stuff in Zeitgeist or Religulous? I think that's the one I hear the most. That's a lot of studying for me to do and I love your insight.
Rome has some sculptures that poorly represent animals because the artist had only heard descriptions third hand and never saw one. This is similar to your mushroom and palm tree comment.
Trent you look great man. This is the first time in a while I watched the podcast (usually I listen) those MMA classes are really coming in handy I’m sure Laura is thrilled 😉
I always find it weird when the theory is that one random guy knew the truth of Christianity's beginning over a thousand years later while no one else of his time knew (DaVinci or a random painting with what looks like a mushroom)
As a Free-thinking Christian, I believe believe in the Trinity and so on, but I do NOT believe that it is binding and that people will go to hell if they don't believe a certain way about it.
22:40 amanita muscaria (amanita od the flies): if boiled, its juices then injested, it causes first nausea and vomiting, followed by a state in which all senses are highened; it was often used by Nordic tribes before the hunt, because they felt a connection with the animal totems (the symbols behind the living animals they'd go to hunt) and made them more resistant to tiredness, the cold, thirst and hunger. Due to the name "muscaria", "of the flies", it had also some "dark magic" tones in later centuries, as it was linked with Baelzebub, the "Lord of Flies", in certain pagan/occult circles.
Robert Price will happily debunk other "skeptics" while attempting to publicly remain friends with them and support them as a common opponent of orthodoxy/tradition. at least that's my impression of him... I guess that's not so far off from a lot of academics. argue yes, but it's nothing personal.
Trent, the 5th example you provided with the India visit...was in the Novel: Lamb. It's another "gospel" of Jesus' childhood friend Biff. Totally fiction and funny, I thought.
In fairness to Rogan, I think he just talks about what he's heard and doesn't have a ton of strongly held beliefs himself. I don't think he's ever presenting any theological ideas as his theological ideas.
It's been my experience that people that make these ridiculous heretical theories want to convince themselves they are true rather than submit to the will of God. I've tried arguing with them and it's "in one ear and out the other."
There is a French philosopher, Michel Onfray, who kind of champions the view that the Jesus conspiracy has been a literary endeavor1000+ years in the making , with all the prophets being in on the take for stronger effect.
Many respected scholars and great minds absolutely lost their minds on psychedelics during the height of LSD like Timothy Leary and Mark Lilly. My guess is Allegro similarly lost touch with reality.
I highly doubt that Joseph died when Jesus was twelve. I think he died once Jesus was an adult. Because there needed to be a man to protect and care for mother and child. Just because he isn’t mentioned afterwards doesn’t mean he wasn’t there.
if you want something extremely silly, you should check out Walter William's take! you see. not only was jesus a myth, but the myth of jesus was created as an attempt to add Serapis to the ancient egyptian religion, which is identical to christianity, just with different names stapled on. this was all a plan to create a religion for europeans, because europeans had no religion before christianity. I made none of this up. there is aman who believes this, who some people take seriously.
I really wish Rogan would stop having myth artists on his podcast just so he can platform unfounded theories about Christianity. Just once, let an Christian academic like Peter J. Williams, Brant Pitre, or someone who actually knows what their talking about. Challenge your atheist dogma Rogan.
@ 22:47 Now I can really say, too much Symbolism can lead to so much Hypnotism... The Words Spoken by God are Spirits, not just mere Symbols... When we read the Words of God, we must treat it as Spiritual, beyond Symbolic... The Sacred Scriptures are Not Symbolism Alone But About Spirituality... @ 23:00 If we make this more appropriate, the Chariot is the Passive one & the Active one is that which Drives the Chariot, or simply means, the Chariot Driver; The same goes for the Cross and the one who takes up the Cross and carries it... The one who is Active will always be the one who Acts On something while the one who is Passive will always be the one who Passes Down something...
I blame a "fractionated" JP who is vaudevillean yet wacky. Aimless and hopeless..uncommitted yet Trudeauesque in principle and language. JP is the ultimate in a lack of communication Intended to obfuscate.
If in doubt, blame Constantine.
Haha o that is so true🤣 atheists, anti-Christians and anti-Catholics all love to blame it all on Constantine
It's so commonplace it might as well be one of the solas
@@Qwerty-jy9mj Sola Constantinus
Inflation? Constantine!
inb4 "Constantine was the serpent who gave the forbidden fruit to Eve"
10:27 I think the mystic joke is: A mystic goes into a sandwich shop. The sandwich maker asks, what do you want? The mystic replies "Make me one with everything"
"Where's my change?"
"Change comes from within."
I like sandwiches with cucumber instead of tomatoes.
I don’t get the joke
You missed the "it's all stolen from Egyptian mythology" wacky theory.
My favourite is the one featured on JRE about the psychedelic mushrooms 😆
The power of wishful thinking is very strong with this one. Some ppl are trying really hard to normalize usage of various substances through proving that humanity was always high anyways and it was beneficial.
I would say that most civilizations in which substance consumption was widely practiced, often also as a form of religious rituals, were not and still aren’t very successful in the scale of the world...
Survive the Jive(even tho he's a pagan) has a good video on Ancient Cannabis Cults on his YT channel. It's pretty interesting to say the least, but to your point I think the drugs were not a normalized thing for the average commoner but more-so gurus/elites within different religious structures around the world. After all I think they all thought these natural drugs and stuff were divinely sent.
@@sunwheels I agree that in most case drugs were probably used mainly by the priests.
But on the other hand, it depends who are we speaking about. Some Native Americans, European pagans ( i do not mean Greeks or Romans) some Asian and African ppl, used drugs more commonly.
I would say these particular cultures were not very successful. The ones that did do well and developed math, alphabet, philosophy etc were usually more strict and order focused societies.
Thanks for the video recommendation. It sounds very interesting and I’ll check it out for sure:)
Everyone has legalized drugs, without knowing it, what drugs some examples, tea, coffee, alcohol, cigarettes and cigars, just to name a few
Cannabis used in temple worship is another researcher finding. Maybe frankincense or myrrh gives a high. Then again you can get “high” from whatever sugar, caffeine, even sniffing glue.
“They’re not successful because the Christians killed them all man!”
I used to take mushrooms and all that. Actually the last time I took them I was really getting back into my Catholic faith and had a pretty religious experience. But they are so, so dangerous and can very easily lead you down a wrong path.
So many people think of them like medicine but that is a cope. You don’t need them. Beware of unearned wisdom.
Trent, the version of the joke I heard was:
A Buddhist monk goes to a hot dog stand and asks the seller “make me one with everything”
I've heard most of these theories (except the "Ceasar-approved Jesus" one) over the course of my life, back when I was an atheist. Worst thing I actually kind of believed them and found them really interesting. Now these are just really frustrating. You won't believe how many people actually think that the Da Vinci Code stuff is real. You won't believe how often I've heard the "The Church tried to hide that Jesus was married to Mary Magdalene and had children!" or the classic "The Church removed the REAL gospels / The Church invented Jesus to gain power and control the people" when trying to talk about Jesus and the resurrection.
I also vividly remember a tv report on the German "science show" Galileo that I watched as a teen, telling us what probably REALLY happened. According to them Jesus didn't die, the people at the crucifixion just thought He was dead because He fell into a coma. And how did He fall into a coma? The vinegar soaked sponge they gave Him was actually just a strong sedative. So when they buried Him in the tomb He wasn't actually dead, just comatose. After a few days He woke up and just walked out causing people to think that he rose from the dead. And after that Jesus moved to India for some reason. Really wacky stuff, wish I could find it again. It's kind of a mix between #5 and #2 from this video.
@@rezr5448 I'd like to think that most of these people don't mean any harm and just don't know any better. They probably never spent any time looking into their beliefs. So I wouldn't go as far as to say that they " gotta justify their degenerate desires" which I think is a bit harsh. Most of these misconceptions you could explain by simply assuming ignorance on their part. I mean there was a point where I didn't know any better until God opened my heart and mind to the truth, which I'm unbelievably thankful for. I think we should just strive to clear up these misconceptions wherever we may encounter them in a loving way.
Jesus taught a version of what the Pharisees taught. The idea the Romans created or strongly altered Christianity is ridiculous. (Likely, the powerful Sadducees, who didn't believe in resurrection and basically were atheists, and Romans were more who Jesus's movement were nonviolently and smartly protesting against.)
Maybe the Romans saw Christians as useful by some point, but this opened the door for the Church to transform the Empire and Western civilization and history. Jesus and the Church were and are vessels for the Holy Spirit.
Interesting
Are u Catholic now??
I’m just curious, what made you change sides ???
You seem well informed on the claims against Christianity
So what prompted you to change??
The coma theory and the ‘swoon’ theory are perhaps the weakest theories in disproving the Resurrection. Anyone with a base idea of Roman crucifixions can tell ya how brutal the whole thing is.
Between the beatings, blood loss, asphyxiation, thorns, dragging wood to the site, and a spear through the side, no way would Jesus be walking out his tomb on his own feet.
@@crossbearer6453I try to keep it as short as possible, but it was a long process over the last 9 years. I had a religious experience of "seeing God" while I was in the hospital that made me stop being an atheist (at least kind of, I tried to talk myself out of it for a long time, the "my brain just misfired or something", "I'm going crazy", "It was just a hallucination/psychosis"). After that I took a few years to read all the main religious texts (Bible, Quran, several Buddhist and Hindu texts) and some books on philosophy and and religious experiences (can really recommend 'The Varieties Of Religious Experience' by William James, some of the testimonies captured in this book describe my own religious experience pretty well). After that I kind of lost track of God and my search for Him again, got lost in drugs and alcohol. When I reached another really low point in my life there I met God again, helping me get back to Him. That's when I started studying Christianity more in depth. The search ultimately led me to Catholicism and I was baptised this Easter. I thank God every day that He saved me, but it's still a fight and a struggle. But God has giving me all the things that I have really needed and missed all my life, the things that I tried to fill and replace with sin, drugs, alcohol, porn and just general hedonism. God has freely given me purpose, hope and love in this life. And I can't imagine what He has in store for us in the next life!
What about you? From your name I can assume that you're a Christian as well. How did you come to Christ? Hope you have a blessed day, if you want to know more I'll try to answer it to the best of my abilities.
As a history nerd, most of these make me cringe - the others just make me laugh.
Is most out of 5 3 or 4
As a rational human being, the claim that Jesus was born of a virgin, walked on water, rose from the dead, and was the son of God, make me cringe.
@@cygnusustus Being God makes you do supernatural things.
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Imagining god makes you do horrible things.
@@fungamesonly6521 some claim he’s inspired the Book of Mormon and that his Holy Spirit will confirm this if you pray on it.
Thank you for directing me to the Chopra generator. Made my day.
"The Higgs Boson is the ingredient of miracles "
Glad you got around to this.
Please do a tear down of “Christ Consciousness” and the influence of Alice Bailey and Helena Blavatsky on the likes of Santos Bonacci and Mark Passio
And Richard Rohr, SJ. It's always the d*mned Jesuits.
Yes, I'm tired of the New Age nonsense.
@@johnsix.51-69 Christ Consciousness is a watered down version of Theosis
@@randomango2789 A bit worse than merely watered down.
When Jesus is rejected in his own town the people there pretty much describe his "hidden life", he's just the carpenter's son, his mother's name is Mary, etc. The gospels attest he was known there as a common person, not a world travelling guru.
This is correct.
I find it amusing that Constantine is blamed for everything people don’t like about the church. They make him the one who supposedly suppresses all other religions, when all he did was make Christianity legal. They seem to make him the inventor of orthodoxy, when what he really wanted was for the bishops to decide the question of Jesus’ nature one way or the other. There are even certain compromises that he was willing to accept as long as it made things peaceful again. Even some Christians blame him for not upholding complete separation of church and state, when that concept was itself utterly foreign to the world until very recently.
" Tom Hanks plays Robert Langdon who is a " symbologist " which I don't think is a real occupation" 😂😂😂😂😂 that really had me 😂😂
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Something about the phrase "independent scholar" at 14:00 sounds like someone trying to legitimize their fringe theories, though I may be mistaken.
Neat video, Trent. Seems like so many people have concepts of Jesus that are so strange, but after all their "research" they can't just accept Him for Who He is.
Agreed, but what other phrase fits the bill?
Well yes because if is common within academia that means it's not fringe, but the lysenkoist/worship black people religion is not fringe, it's quite mainstream
@@actuallicensedteacher1846 Conspiracy theorist.
Independence is just a word of something that doesn't really exist, when you really look at things everything and everyone is dependent on others, it's a long list so here's a couple of examples a self employed man or woman is dependent on customers and manufacturers if they have something that needs to be made like vacuum cleaners ect, customers for window cleaners ect, we're dependent on builders to build our homes and shops and so on, and in nature flowers ect are dependant on bees to help with pollination and mankind is dependent on bees for honey, there's literally 1000s of examples I could give, but the ultimate dependence is mankind's on God
It's just a scholar who is basically unemployed, he wasn't able to find a position, a grant or something. But I reckon some wacko with some dubious knowledge could also call themselves an "independent scholar", so the phrase can designate a somewhat dubious personage in this case. So it's either a fraud or a legitimate but unemployed scholar.
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My personal favorite is the tomb in Japan that claims Jesus fled to Japan and became a garlic farmer XD
That is a new one to me 😂 how did that story even start?
was expecting something like that on the video
There was also a guy in China that was salty that he failed an imperial exam (that allowed one to become a state official), so he claimed to be Jesus's younger brother and revolted against the emperor, establishing a short-lived "heavenly kingdom" and spread a weird hybrid of protestantism and Chinese folk beliefs. Look up Hong Xiuquan and the Taiping Rebellion.
@@ishashkathat one I have heard of
@@ishashka They should make that into a movie!
I wish one of you guys could get on Joe Rogan's podcast and clear things up for him, he's always bashing Christianity and the Catholic Church.
I didn’t see it, but I guess Jordan Peterson of all people took him to the woodshed over his anti-Christian malarkey.
@@stephenjohnson7915 Jordan Peterson is wrong on many things tho. He views Christianity as a psychological/ effective philosophical system and God to him is like just a man made symbol of meta truth.
I don’t think this line of argument can change Joes perspective.
@@izabeera166 That’s very true, but then again, no one can say Peterson is only pushing back because he’s a true believer.
@@izabeera166Wrong, Peterson converted. He is a Christian.
@@wulfheort8021 nope, he ain't
The Da Vinci Code has successfully planted seeds of doubt in countless Catholics.. received a question regarding the "hidden gospels in the Vatican" at my Bible study a few weeks ago. Is there a book / other resource that cogently debunks the wacky claims of the Da Vinci Code?
Look up Jimmy Akin's podcast on the Davinci Code. Loooooooong story short, the Dan Brown novel is based of an English book from the mid 20'th century whose author was fooled by an earlier French fraud who claimed to be the rightful king of France.
'The DaVinci Hoax: Exposing the Errors in the DaVinci Code' by Carl E. Olson and Sandra Miesel is good.
@@Xymage Hmm, that would be a strong rebuttal! Thanks!
@@jeremysmith7176 Just what I needed to hear! Thanks! Will give it a listen.
I read the da Vinci Code Back when I was 14 and found it really really cool, but I never thought it was real.
I mean, I wanted it to be real and I felt all kinds of intelligent for reading it and because "omg I'm totally like the protagonist", but still, I knew it was just a detective thriller. In my mind, the author made it clear it was just detective fantasy (although I guess I never really knew that, just thought I did).
It wasn't until very recently that I found out there's people who took it as some sort of academic work.
Trent, I had to say that I love your wife’s videos. They are hilarious! Please keep encouraging her to make more. God bless you and your family.
So, the Romans conspired the downfall of their own empire. Sounds like our current admin actually...maybe not so farfetched a theory 😂
Church of saints established by Jesus under the stewardship of Peter has nothing to do with the pagan romans which is precisely opposite to what the satanic cult believing protestants of sola scriptura a man made tradition invented by a devil possessed man, usually think .
“The simplest way to explain the behavior of any bureaucratic organization is to assume that it is controlled by a cabal of its enemies.” -Robert Conquest’s 3rd rule of politics
Thanks for this Trent. It's a good way to decompress every so often from the more intense and serious and sophisticated fallacies and heresies out there
A small mistake. It was Pliny the Younger, the nephew, who described Christians in an official letter to the Emperor Trajan. The older Pliny, in spite of being the author of the most impressive encyclopedia of the ancient world, never seems to mention Christians.
It is good to make videos like this because a lot of people have misconceptions because of these popular mistaken theories.
Psychedelic substances has potential to drastically change the shape of the mental health field in the next decade, but I think those who ascribe to the "all religions came from psychedelics" theory will make people of faith skeptical of them.
Another group of texts that has attracted a lot of wacky theories are the Dead Sea Scrolls, which you alluded to in your discussion of allegro. In the 90s I felt like I was constantly mopping up after all the silly publications.
The weirdest thing about the mushroom one is why would they need to use coded language when that kind of cult wasnt that weird in the Roman empire? Did they want to get persecuted by the Romans as a joke?
The Caesar-approved Christ reminded me about a former co-worker of mine that was into this one very specific online article against Catholicism called "Flavian Dynasty" (at least to the effect of that title, I don't remember the exact title). It was on this conspiracy-looking website called "the pastavarian" and I'd like to see Trent to cover that article. I knew it was bunk especially after see the website's title, but he might already cover the topic since the article was centered about the notion of Constantine founded the Church.
You didn’t mention the Brian Muraresku book about the mushroom cult! That was a very strong Joe Rogan episode that had a lot of biochemical evidence behind it. Definitely worth addressing.
Great vid. How about a Part II with stuff like "Paul invented Christianity", or Spong and his "wild dogs ate the body" theory?
A symbologist is a real thing. Not in the way of the DaVinci code. However Jonathan Pageau is a good example
Trent.
The punchline is "Make me one with everything" ;)
Great! Now, how do we get you on Timcast to school Ian Crossland on all of this? I need you, Jimmy Akin, and Jonathan Pageau on there, not necessarily together, but that could be fun too. 😄
You should do a more in depth debunking of the Sacred Cross and the Mushroom. It almost made me lose my faith. It’s also heavily promoted by New Agers who think that psychedelics lead to enlightenment. One of these new agers who promote the book is a TH-camr named “Dakota of Earth”, he has a large following which isn’t good because of the amount of people that he’s misleading. He also thinks that the burning bush that Moses saw was actually him smoking DMT.
Unfortunately, these are not just "wacky" theories but constitute the heretical basis for some of today's religions like Krishna Hinduism, Islam, and Mormonism.
Trent I’m glad you are covering rogan. I think when he had Aaron Rodgers on they talked about phsycodelics and such. And how the Catholic Church banned a the sacred mushroom and the cross. I’m not catholic but I thought it was a bit far fetched.
Then there's the crazy one from Aomori prefecture that says Jesus' brother died on the cross and Jesus himself moved to Japan and is buried in a town called Shingo. That one's pretty wacky.
Trent please contact Joe Rogan and go on his show. It will change the world.
Trent vid with Joe Rogan image in the thumbnail? I'm prioritizin'.
The “mushroom “ theory was recently brought up on a video with Frank Turk.
DeepPockets Chopra is certainly out there on the fringe.
Have you done anything on the stuff in Zeitgeist or Religulous? I think that's the one I hear the most. That's a lot of studying for me to do and I love your insight.
Trent Horn is beyond compare. Thank you, sir
Even Jordan Peterson has unfortunately drawn some attention to the mushroom theory perhaps indirectly, though thankfully not a lot.
Jesus and Joseph of Arimathea going to England is one I want to be true
I'm so tired of shroom heads and psychedelic addicts thinking they're enlightened.
Great vid Trent but I'm shocked Barbara Thiering's "Jesus the Man" didn't make the list!
Rome has some sculptures that poorly represent animals because the artist had only heard descriptions third hand and never saw one. This is similar to your mushroom and palm tree comment.
Someone, quick, make goop come down on Trent whenever he says wacky.
Awesome video as always
FINALLY! Intro music!
Thought the same exact thing. That intro was in desperate need of music.
Matthew 16:15
He said to them, “but who do you say that I am?”
So awesome! Thank you for creating this!
Trent... please make a video on Lydia McGrew's Hidden in Plainview.... Collectively the best argument for Gospel Authenticity
Trent you look great man. This is the first time in a while I watched the podcast (usually I listen) those MMA classes are really coming in handy I’m sure Laura is thrilled 😉
Many thanks. Certainly wacky!
I always find it weird when the theory is that one random guy knew the truth of Christianity's beginning over a thousand years later while no one else of his time knew (DaVinci or a random painting with what looks like a mushroom)
As a Free-thinking Christian, I believe believe in the Trinity and so on, but I do NOT believe that it is binding and that people will go to hell if they don't believe a certain way about it.
A bit of an omission to not mention Notovitch was a Jewish journalist
22:40 amanita muscaria (amanita od the flies): if boiled, its juices then injested, it causes first nausea and vomiting, followed by a state in which all senses are highened; it was often used by Nordic tribes before the hunt, because they felt a connection with the animal totems (the symbols behind the living animals they'd go to hunt) and made them more resistant to tiredness, the cold, thirst and hunger. Due to the name "muscaria", "of the flies", it had also some "dark magic" tones in later centuries, as it was linked with Baelzebub, the "Lord of Flies", in certain pagan/occult circles.
What did the dali llama say to the hot dog vendor?
*Make me one with everything*
I think you mean Dalai Lama, lol. A llama is a South American mammal.
"make me one with everything"
The line is "Make me one with everything." The punchline is in the possible double meaning.
Thanks Trent for cleaning up the jungle of strangeness !
Robert Price will happily debunk other "skeptics" while attempting to publicly remain friends with them and support them as a common opponent of orthodoxy/tradition. at least that's my impression of him... I guess that's not so far off from a lot of academics. argue yes, but it's nothing personal.
This was so fun to listen to thanks😅
I kept getting the documentary of Ceaser's Messiah in TH-cam recommendations. I tried to show some commenters that this was very illogical.
My advice would be to not waste your time 😂 Just my two cents, Mark.
@@ClobinWilliams I learned that lesson. That's why it was in past tense.
@@markwhite116 I’m glad. Hope you and your family are doing well sir, have a blessed day.
Trent, the 5th example you provided with the India visit...was in the Novel: Lamb. It's another "gospel" of Jesus' childhood friend Biff. Totally fiction and funny, I thought.
could you make a video about Carl Jung and one of his most controversial books, Answer to Job?
Was about to let this video have it, then I saw that it was Trent’s post.
Ok, try to argue this point:
Why is Paul an Apostle?
The joke punchline: make me one with everything.
In fairness to Rogan, I think he just talks about what he's heard and doesn't have a ton of strongly held beliefs himself. I don't think he's ever presenting any theological ideas as his theological ideas.
He's so much of a mythicist that he denies his own existence...
COUNSEL OF TRENT!!!!!
So will Trent Horn accept brother Peter Dimond's debate challenge?
He's debated many Protestants before, why would he debate some fringe Protestant?
It's been my experience that people that make these ridiculous heretical theories want to convince themselves they are true rather than submit to the will of God. I've tried arguing with them and it's "in one ear and out the other."
There is a French philosopher, Michel Onfray, who kind of champions the view that the Jesus conspiracy has been a literary endeavor1000+ years in the making , with all the prophets being in on the take for stronger effect.
Many respected scholars and great minds absolutely lost their minds on psychedelics during the height of LSD like Timothy Leary and Mark Lilly. My guess is Allegro similarly lost touch with reality.
"Jesus was a mushroom."
- Trent Horn
I highly doubt that Joseph died when Jesus was twelve. I think he died once Jesus was an adult. Because there needed to be a man to protect and care for mother and child. Just because he isn’t mentioned afterwards doesn’t mean he wasn’t there.
The joke is:
A mystic walks into a deli and says, "Make me one with everything."
if you want something extremely silly, you should check out Walter William's take!
you see. not only was jesus a myth, but the myth of jesus was created as an attempt to add Serapis to the ancient egyptian religion, which is identical to christianity, just with different names stapled on. this was all a plan to create a religion for europeans, because europeans had no religion before christianity.
I made none of this up. there is aman who believes this, who some people take seriously.
Please add Richard Rorh he is thinks Jesus and Christ are two different people, he is leading tons astray
I really wish Rogan would stop having myth artists on his podcast just so he can platform unfounded theories about Christianity. Just once, let an Christian academic like Peter J. Williams, Brant Pitre, or someone who actually knows what their talking about. Challenge your atheist dogma Rogan.
Some of these are almost as bad as the “Fly you fools” Lord of the Rings theory.
you left out the village in Japan, called Shingo Village that Jesus supposedly moved to.
Are you going to debate Br. Peter?
Will you have a discussion with Perspective Philosophy? He just turned Christian and is very confused about some things.
The guy who wrote the mushroom book was on them when he wrote it.
Just loved the thumbnail. I kinda dont need to listed to it honestly
wacky= wacky weatherman from Doug (TV series)
"Wacky" reminds me of the animaniacs. Maybe I am slightly older?
Look up what "Nic kelo deo" [nickelodeon] means in Latin
So that's where ian got the idea Roman's created Jesus
Amanita muscaria aka fly agaric mushroom
They trying to FILL those years with loony tunes!😅😅😅😅
@ 22:47
Now I can really say, too much Symbolism can lead to so much Hypnotism... The Words Spoken by God are Spirits, not just mere Symbols... When we read the Words of God, we must treat it as Spiritual, beyond Symbolic... The Sacred Scriptures are Not Symbolism Alone But About Spirituality...
@ 23:00
If we make this more appropriate, the Chariot is the Passive one & the Active one is that which Drives the Chariot, or simply means, the Chariot Driver; The same goes for the Cross and the one who takes up the Cross and carries it... The one who is Active will always be the one who Acts On something while the one who is Passive will always be the one who Passes Down something...
I blame a "fractionated" JP who is vaudevillean yet wacky. Aimless and hopeless..uncommitted yet Trudeauesque in principle and language. JP is the ultimate in a lack of communication
Intended to obfuscate.
If only you knew… god bless you
perhaps Allegro had the shrooms