How about an F-15C dressed up in the Eagle's original birthday suit? The air superiority blue of the F-15A when it was at First Fighter at Langley, Virginia USA! Such a pretty jet in that color!
@@debbiestimac5175 I lament the overly-practical, gray, drab, ugly paint schemes of USAF and USN aircraft today. We must return to flamboyant, stylish, bold paint schemes! also hooray somebody who knows the F-15 was originally blue. unfortunately there doesn't seem exist an air superiority blue skin for the DCS Eagle, yet.
Turns out the issue of the F-86's guns having limited effectiveness against the MiG-15 was due to the API rounds commonly used by the the US in Korea had unreliable detonation upon impact at high altitude, significantly reducing the damage caused by each hit. Supposedly the Sabre's guns were more effective (still not great) below 25,000 MSL.
AFAIK, there was no detonation involved with the M20 API-T round, instead the rounds relied on aerodynamically heating Magnesium that was etched into the bullets. Since it's aerodynamic heating, it makes sense that it could easily fail at higher altitudes.
Ah, I was under the impression the non-tracer cartridge was impact detonated, but I am always happy to learn, especially if the tracers operated that way.
"unreliable detonation upon impact at high altitude," Dubious. The compounds they used in those bullets should have worked fine in a vacuum. Like gunpowder, they burned so fast that atmospheric oxygen wasn't a factor.
Because of their history , these two are my fav jets of all time. What a treat seeing these two tangle in guns only like back in the day. My dad served in the Air Force in Korea, he worked in the payroll office. :)
3:24 the F-86D is an interceptor variant of the F-86. It has been equipped with four 20mm cannons, a new nose(to fit the radar) and a new afterburning engine. This variant became known as the "Sabre Dog". Note: it wasn't supersonic.
Uncanny how the technology of the day was able to produce such closely matched fighters. Similar to how close in performance the BF109 and the Spitfire were in WW2. An illustration of how science and design were/are open source fields of study.
Probably because both of them based on WW2 German project Messerschmitt P.1101 and Focke-Wulf Ta-183. Similar to submarines: both US Tang, Barracuda and Soviet Projects 611, 613, 614, 633, and 644 were derivatives of German Type XXI submarine. Soviet Project 611 was basically a Type XXI built in USSR. Only later on both US and USSR design schools went their own different way including their respective doctrines, experiences and needs.
The British "sold" the USSR its best jet engines shortly after WW2, under the "promise" that the USSR wouldn't use them for military purposes. The Soviets never had any intention of keeping said promise, and gave the Soviets cutting edge jet engine technology.
@@Raptor747 Yes, but British was neither stupid nor naive to believe a single word from Soviet delegation, they knew what Soviet are going to do with such technology. British did that on purpose to put a pressure on US government which was refusing to allow GB to participate in US nuclear program despite all British contribution to Manhattan project. The result was domestic British nuclear program and after few years - the 1958 UK-US Mutual Defence Agreement, a bilateral treaty between the United States and the United Kingdom on nuclear weapons co-operation.
It's not that uncanny, since a whole lot of the Soviet bird was stolen from the West. For example, the engine was literally gifted to them by the British government. The MiG-15 was rocking a Rolls-Royce powerplant... that had been reverse-engineered... after the Brits simply handed several brand-new engines to the Soviets. Unforgiveable.
I remember reading in a book where Sabre pilots said the key to fighting the MIG-15 was to keep the speed as high as possible. The MIG's unassisted flight controls made the stick and rudder very heavy at high speeds and it couldn't maneuver as well and it would tire the pilots out quicker.
Yo GS, I think it'd be pretty cool of you pressed the standard key bind of Right Ctrl + Enter before a fight. Itll bring up your control inputs on screen, and allow the viewer to have a better understanding of what you are doing in the fight to get the results that we see.
My favorite fight to watch, it never gets old! I'm an F-86 fanboy so would love to see this from the other side. Also would be cool to see a 4 v 4 like a simulated patrol intercepting over the Yalu!!
I would love to see you play both planes in the same video. One in the mig then one on the Sabre to show us the advantages and disadvantages of each aircraft.
The Sabre was upgraded with 20mm cannons if engine stalls due to gun fumes count as upgrading lol That being said, the later F-86K Sabre Dog had 20mm cannons although that one was different from earlier ones.
Air Force One: I am the world's most secure aircraft. MiG-15: Screw you, I got a combination lock. In all seriousness, the detail in DCS just blows my mind. Look at the scratches in the canopy glass, the shell casings falling through the air. Absolutely god-tier. PS: Does this mean you are getting closer to that which I've been nagging you for?
With two 23mm and one 37mm cannon, it doesn't take many hits from a MiG-15 to turn a fighter into slightly abused, miscellaneous spare parts ... Thanks again for another great video... I can't wait to see what you do with the Mirage F-1 or the F-4 Phabulous Phantom!
Hopefully we’ll get the Phantom this year, that’s what has been claimed as the release date, sometime in Q4 2022. However as is so often the case in DCS, this very well may be postponed till Q1/2 of 2023. Can’t wait for F-4E/J and MiG-23ML in DCS. Mirage F1 in 2 days…
Great great video ! When you watch this - there is no question that these men, from both sides when going to battle in these jet fighters had BALLS OF STEEL !
The .50bmg struggled to do the damage desired because of aircraft having to be built stronger due to the added stresses of high speed flight. There are many accounts of Migs being hit by Sabres repeatedly and escaping full of holes. This lead to Project GunVal in 1953 which saw 12 Sabres being fitted with 20mm cannons and deployed amongst the in theatre Sabres to assess any advantage to cannons over HMG’s. From the results it was decided that the cannons were the way to go, something that every major Air Force had already concluded in WW2. As a direct result of Project GunVals findings all new model American fighter aircraft were cannon armed after 1953. If memory serves it was a 13 to 1 kill ratio for the F-86 in Korea. One can only speculate just how much more successful it would have been if it had always been built with the heavier weaponry fitted.
The shot at 08.20+ - fighter aces from WW2 often speak about being in turning fights and only pulling the trigger once the bandit disappeared under their nose. Great deflection shooting BTW!
Another case of how I wonder how the flight models are implemented compared to reality - I have this vague recollection that historically, MiG-15 pilots preferred higher altitudes while Sabres preferred the fight on the deck, opposite of what the feel is in DCS.
MiG pilots didn’t have G-suits or hydraulic controls, so it kinda makes sense they’d favour altitude because it gives them more time to recover if they suffer control compression, and the Gs would be lower taking wider turns at lower relative airspeeds. Whereas the Sabres have a pretty significant advantage at low altitude in terms of terrain avoidance because of the roll rate and better resistance to control lock up etc. In DCS there’s no genuine fear if you mess up so it flips the other way.
You know you've watched this channel too much when you fire up ace combat 7 and you ask yourself "I should try to get him in a one circle fight" before you remember that you're playing an ace combat game.
l started watching a couple months ago, and pretty much take them in any opportunity l get. Love it all. WW1 to F22 :) Also really appreciate your ability to explain the tactics you’re using WHILE doing them. My brain couldn’t handle that. And obviously, love the fun of seeing things explode. You’re good at that too :)
Check out the Merch Store: growling-sidewinder.creator-spring.com Although these aircraft are very similar on paper the F-86 had a higher kill to death ratio during the war, a couple of the reasons is the better trained pilots (although some korean pilots were actually secretly very well trained and experienced soviet pilots from the USSR), and also the fact that the American pilots were using G suits, which allowed them to pull more G's and to hold those G's a little longer than their Mig Counterparts. I'm sure you can imagine how much of an advantage that gave sabres during the war, anyway guys thank you for watching and I'll see you in the next one, Much Love.
@@andrewrogers3067 MiG-15 has a better sustained/ instantaneous turn rate and better climb rate with a little better top speed if I remember correctly. As GS said, the F-86 was commonly flown with G suits so in combat the MiG-15 wasn’t able to make optimal use of its enhanced turn rates due to G-LOC experienced by the pilots. They were almost a perfect match and made for the perfect adversarial fight, the F-86 was a little higher tech though and was modified to carry AIM-9’s after 1957 and this was tested during the Formosa Straight conflict, MiG-15’s of this era carried no guided A-A weapons but the earlier AIM-9’s were so unreliable (especially in a dogfight) that it didn’t make too much of a difference, even more so in a close range dogfight. F-86 had a little better turn rate at higher speeds as the MiG-15 would lock up at high speeds, especially in a dive.
one thing too is that both engines on the f86 and mig 15 being centrifugal compressors instead of axial, imposed the same sort of limitations on both airframes nessesitating a wide cylindrical body because they both had to fit very wide engines
00:34 - "So to be honest I was kinda...there was something inside me craving this fight." That wouldn't be the desire for revenge on Shotgun after mercilessly destroying you in that last F-22 vs. everything video, would it? :^D
37mm is the same calibre as an early WWII German anti-tank gun, for reference. The British 2-pounder was only 40mm. Air-to-ground seems to have been squarely in mind when designing the MiG 15.
37mm was not designed for anti ground role on the mig-15. It was for intercepting bombers. The 37mm was irrelevant for anti armour duties in 1941 so it was definetly not viable in the 50s for ground attack.
@@GrowlingSidewinder Those twin 23mm and single 37mm were installed as lessons learned from air combat in WW2. And precisely designed to do maximum damage per round to an airframe. The US had the high rate of fire advantage, but the .50BMG was limited by its mass and payload, and like you said, it took greater time on target to achieve conclusive terminal effect. Whereas, the Mig-15 only had to hit you once, mostly...
The USAF leading ace in Korea found that firing the 50s at 50,000 feet was very effective as wind resistance was so reduced the accuracy at long range was not effected. Something to try, think his name was McConnell
Quick question: how do you do these beautiful - sometimes slow-mow - shots from the external camera? Is that capturing from the DCS Track file? These never work for me... weird stuff, that didn't happen while flying and such....
In all of the MiG-15 vs F-86 videos, I don't think the F-86 has won except for one round in one video. And that round, it took an exceptionally long time due to the 50 cals dispersing and not doing much damage when they did hit. It took a lucky hit on a wing and then the MiG looked like it became a cooperative target. All the others, the fight always went to the deck and the F-86 could not escape.
Ohboyohboyohboy! MiG Alley is my favorite air war. I could watch Sabers vs *MiGs* for hours! As for length of videos, I feel +/- 25min is optimal. 15min is just blueballing :) Edit: Did yt just delete my comment because I used the NATO designation of the MiG-15?
I feel it’s worth noting that it’s 9 days until the F-15s 50th birthday, in case you wanna plan something special for the Eagle’s big day!
Well that's quite the good idea. A big ass Eagle fight is needed.
Maybe a 50 eagle flight against 75 mig 29s?
I heard they were getting an AESA Saber upgrade.
How about an F-15C dressed up in the Eagle's original birthday suit? The air superiority blue of the F-15A when it was at First Fighter at Langley, Virginia USA! Such a pretty jet in that color!
MiG vs Mustang? 🤔
@@debbiestimac5175 I lament the overly-practical, gray, drab, ugly paint schemes of USAF and USN aircraft today.
We must return to flamboyant, stylish, bold paint schemes!
also hooray somebody who knows the F-15 was originally blue. unfortunately there doesn't seem exist an air superiority blue skin for the DCS Eagle, yet.
I love these first generation jet fighters. There’s just something awesome about their simplicity and elegance.
Yea, they are elegant, but they're 2nd generation jet fighters. 1st gen would include stuff like the F-80, Gloster Meteor, Me 262, and the Mig-9
@@argon7624it rly depends wat classification system you are using
Turns out the issue of the F-86's guns having limited effectiveness against the MiG-15 was due to the API rounds commonly used by the the US in Korea had unreliable detonation upon impact at high altitude, significantly reducing the damage caused by each hit. Supposedly the Sabre's guns were more effective (still not great) below 25,000 MSL.
AFAIK, there was no detonation involved with the M20 API-T round, instead the rounds relied on aerodynamically heating Magnesium that was etched into the bullets. Since it's aerodynamic heating, it makes sense that it could easily fail at higher altitudes.
Ah, I was under the impression the non-tracer cartridge was impact detonated, but I am always happy to learn, especially if the tracers operated that way.
Very interesting. I always thought their small caliber was the problem, coupled with the mig’s ability to take punishment.
"unreliable detonation upon impact at high altitude,"
Dubious. The compounds they used in those bullets should have worked fine in a vacuum. Like gunpowder, they burned so fast that atmospheric oxygen wasn't a factor.
@@noele6588 USN did the math and decided 1x 20mm cannon is worth 3.5x 50cal in firepower. 4x 20mm is equivalent firepower to 14x 50cal.
Because of their history , these two are my fav jets of all time. What a treat seeing these two tangle in guns only like back in the day. My dad served in the Air Force in Korea, he worked in the payroll office. :)
god damn finance always fucking up my check
Always quick to take your pay. Always slow to pay you out lol.
My dad went on to be an accountant for a rum distillery. The one that eventually distributed captain Morgan rum
@@clint9040 Redemption for a nonner
...mine too...
3:24 the F-86D is an interceptor variant of the F-86. It has been equipped with four 20mm cannons, a new nose(to fit the radar) and a new afterburning engine.
This variant became known as the "Sabre Dog".
Note: it wasn't supersonic.
F86F-2 also had 4 20mms
@@thomashanson6603 Well, haven't heard of that variant, i'll check it out later.
Subsonic jet interceptor wtf
You mean the F-2 sabre with the T-160 20mmcannons
@@zsepirpapkendo3223 well it was 1952
That slomo at 5 mins is probably some of the coolest you've gotten. Your shadow going across his wing and then getting the casings. Pure gold
Uncanny how the technology of the day was able to produce such closely matched fighters. Similar to how close in performance the BF109 and the Spitfire were in WW2.
An illustration of how science and design were/are open source fields of study.
Probably because both of them based on WW2 German project Messerschmitt P.1101 and Focke-Wulf Ta-183.
Similar to submarines: both US Tang, Barracuda and Soviet Projects 611, 613, 614, 633, and 644 were derivatives of German Type XXI submarine. Soviet Project 611 was basically a Type XXI built in USSR.
Only later on both US and USSR design schools went their own different way including their respective doctrines, experiences and needs.
The British "sold" the USSR its best jet engines shortly after WW2, under the "promise" that the USSR wouldn't use them for military purposes. The Soviets never had any intention of keeping said promise, and gave the Soviets cutting edge jet engine technology.
@@Raptor747 Yes, but British was neither stupid nor naive to believe a single word from Soviet delegation, they knew what Soviet are going to do with such technology.
British did that on purpose to put a pressure on US government which was refusing to allow GB to participate in US nuclear program despite all British contribution to Manhattan project. The result was domestic British nuclear program and after few years - the 1958 UK-US Mutual Defence Agreement, a bilateral treaty between the United States and the United Kingdom on nuclear weapons co-operation.
It's not that uncanny, since a whole lot of the Soviet bird was stolen from the West. For example, the engine was literally gifted to them by the British government. The MiG-15 was rocking a Rolls-Royce powerplant... that had been reverse-engineered... after the Brits simply handed several brand-new engines to the Soviets.
Unforgiveable.
I remember reading in a book where Sabre pilots said the key to fighting the MIG-15 was to keep the speed as high as possible. The MIG's unassisted flight controls made the stick and rudder very heavy at high speeds and it couldn't maneuver as well and it would tire the pilots out quicker.
Yo GS, I think it'd be pretty cool of you pressed the standard key bind of Right Ctrl + Enter before a fight. Itll bring up your control inputs on screen, and allow the viewer to have a better understanding of what you are doing in the fight to get the results that we see.
I thought this was real.......
@@ItsMeMikey998 sarcasm
@@ItsMeMikey998 hard to be sarcastic while typing something. TH-cam needs a sarcasm button.
My favorite fight to watch, it never gets old! I'm an F-86 fanboy so would love to see this from the other side. Also would be cool to see a 4 v 4 like a simulated patrol intercepting over the Yalu!!
I would love to see you play both planes in the same video. One in the mig then one on the Sabre to show us the advantages and disadvantages of each aircraft.
I always admire Longshot's full on, super agressive style. Props to both of you guys.
The Sabre was upgraded with 20mm cannons if engine stalls due to gun fumes count as upgrading lol
That being said, the later F-86K Sabre Dog had 20mm cannons although that one was different from earlier ones.
Was that the Super sabre? I had a model of one of those I made as a kid.
@@ChalcedonXXX Super Sabre was the F-100, I think the 20mm test version was the F-86F-2.
@@TheIvanNewb Yep. F-100 Super Sabre kicked off the Century Series.
Air Force One: I am the world's most secure aircraft.
MiG-15: Screw you, I got a combination lock.
In all seriousness, the detail in DCS just blows my mind. Look at the scratches in the canopy glass, the shell casings falling through the air. Absolutely god-tier.
PS: Does this mean you are getting closer to that which I've been nagging you for?
With two 23mm and one 37mm cannon, it doesn't take many hits from a MiG-15 to turn a fighter into slightly abused, miscellaneous spare parts ...
Thanks again for another great video... I can't wait to see what you do with the Mirage F-1 or the F-4 Phabulous Phantom!
Hopefully we’ll get the Phantom this year, that’s what has been claimed as the release date, sometime in Q4 2022. However as is so often the case in DCS, this very well may be postponed till Q1/2 of 2023. Can’t wait for F-4E/J and MiG-23ML in DCS. Mirage F1 in 2 days…
@@zooweemama911 - Same... My new Internet gets installed this week and the F1 is a top priority for me....
Ramen noodles for the month!
;)
@@Max_Da_G - Size matters.
Definitely good for the longer format, additional rounds. Thanks.
That first round was one of the most epic dogfights I've ever seen. Bravo!
5:22 that was spectacular amazing flying from the both of you 😂🤌🏼💯
I enjoy the longer videos, gives more time for educational tips and explanations,I learn a lot watching your dogfights.
I'm addicted to these vids honestly, and I appreciate the consistency. Just got a t16000m and I hope to get to your skill level some day. Keep it up!
I just got the same and i'm having a blast just practicing with the p47!
Great great video ! When you watch this - there is no question that these men, from both sides when going to battle in these jet fighters had BALLS OF STEEL !
The .50bmg struggled to do the damage desired because of aircraft having to be built stronger due to the added stresses of high speed flight.
There are many accounts of Migs being hit by Sabres repeatedly and escaping full of holes.
This lead to Project GunVal in 1953 which saw 12 Sabres being fitted with 20mm cannons and deployed amongst the in theatre Sabres to assess any advantage to cannons over HMG’s.
From the results it was decided that the cannons were the way to go, something that every major Air Force had already concluded in WW2.
As a direct result of Project GunVals findings all new model American fighter aircraft were cannon armed after 1953.
If memory serves it was a 13 to 1 kill ratio for the F-86 in Korea. One can only speculate just how much more successful it would have been if it had always been built with the heavier weaponry fitted.
Смешно 13 к 1
We almost had a revival of the watch yo jet video from last year at 5:22
Amazing video as usual too !
Love those vintage fights much more than any modern / contemporary confrontation
Although this kind of videos had been repeated a lot but every time you upload it I like watching it
Another great video GS! Really appreciate the classics!
The shot at 08.20+ - fighter aces from WW2 often speak about being in turning fights and only pulling the trigger once the bandit disappeared under their nose. Great deflection shooting BTW!
This channel is very well done. My go to every night. I will have watched all your videos very soon ( some videos twice). Awesome job sir!
I appreciate you sir.
These are some of my favorite videos!
Another example of it comes down to the pilot. Good vid!
Broooo the video was released 4 minutes ago and there are already 25 comments GS you may feel the king of the prom!
Awesome always love this match up. The video of these 2 over the city is one of my favorites.
This was a very enjoyable dogfight to watch. Absoulty, a very entertaining video!
It might be the F1 hype but i've been very keen on pre gen 4 planes lately, really nice video
The first fight was so intense! The MiG-15 is my favorite plane of all time and seeing you fly it is awesome anytime!
These are some of my favorite planes. It's great to see them in action. Thanks!
It's also (in real life), a g-fight. Can you imagine how many g's these guys were carrying in these turns?
That was a great video. I think that first merge might have been inside the 500ft safety bubble though 🤔😋
Another case of how I wonder how the flight models are implemented compared to reality - I have this vague recollection that historically, MiG-15 pilots preferred higher altitudes while Sabres preferred the fight on the deck, opposite of what the feel is in DCS.
MiG pilots didn’t have G-suits or hydraulic controls, so it kinda makes sense they’d favour altitude because it gives them more time to recover if they suffer control compression, and the Gs would be lower taking wider turns at lower relative airspeeds.
Whereas the Sabres have a pretty significant advantage at low altitude in terms of terrain avoidance because of the roll rate and better resistance to control lock up etc.
In DCS there’s no genuine fear if you mess up so it flips the other way.
You know you've watched this channel too much when you fire up ace combat 7 and you ask yourself "I should try to get him in a one circle fight" before you remember that you're playing an ace combat game.
That close in the downward rolling scissor reminds me a bit of the dogfight Col. Ralph Par had when engaging 16 Migs during the Korean War.
l started watching a couple months ago, and pretty much take them in any opportunity l get. Love it all. WW1 to F22 :) Also really appreciate your ability to explain the tactics you’re using WHILE doing them. My brain couldn’t handle that. And obviously, love the fun of seeing things explode. You’re good at that too :)
Check out the Merch Store: growling-sidewinder.creator-spring.com
Although these aircraft are very similar on paper the F-86 had a higher kill to death ratio during the war, a couple of the reasons is the better trained pilots (although some korean pilots were actually secretly very well trained and experienced soviet pilots from the USSR), and also the fact that the American pilots were using G suits, which allowed them to pull more G's and to hold those G's a little longer than their Mig Counterparts. I'm sure you can imagine how much of an advantage that gave sabres during the war, anyway guys thank you for watching and I'll see you in the next one, Much Love.
Are there any differences statistically? Or are they practically copies?
8:55 OMG how dramatic...
More WWI content
@@andrewrogers3067 MiG-15 has a better sustained/ instantaneous turn rate and better climb rate with a little better top speed if I remember correctly.
As GS said, the F-86 was commonly flown with G suits so in combat the MiG-15 wasn’t able to make optimal use of its enhanced turn rates due to G-LOC experienced by the pilots. They were almost a perfect match and made for the perfect adversarial fight, the F-86 was a little higher tech though and was modified to carry AIM-9’s after 1957 and this was tested during the Formosa Straight conflict, MiG-15’s of this era carried no guided A-A weapons but the earlier AIM-9’s were so unreliable (especially in a dogfight) that it didn’t make too much of a difference, even more so in a close range dogfight. F-86 had a little better turn rate at higher speeds as the MiG-15 would lock up at high speeds, especially in a dive.
Good job Farmer I have not seen the Saber Mig 15 match up before.
The Mig 15 has 2x23s, and a 37, but nearly the same.
Came to the comments for this
this is the content I subscribed for! Do more cold war and WW2 fights!
one thing too is that both engines on the f86 and mig 15 being centrifugal compressors instead of axial, imposed the same sort of limitations on both airframes nessesitating a wide cylindrical body because they both had to fit very wide engines
When he dove down on top of you, I think he scored a couple of hits with shell casings ... XD
Nice vid as usual, are you using reshade or something ? look really saturated
2:42 - The cannon armament of a MiG-15 is two 23mm and one 37mm cannons.
Request 3: GS in the F/A-18C vs a buddy in the Mustang or Spitfire!
Great vid as always :)
Always love to see F86 vs Mig 15. I saw someone said that F86 vs Mig 15 was the chess of dogfight . Totally agree.
Frickin hate it when you fly as the Mig-15. Love the match-up, hate the perspective. Anyway, thanks for making the video!
Stunning fight…just wonderful
Here’s your back in my day for the TH-cam algorithm.
No comeback for the Sabre today.. you pilot that Mig quite well.
Ah some truly great golden oldies here both are very nice birds indeed and the fight even better
00:34 - "So to be honest I was kinda...there was something inside me craving this fight."
That wouldn't be the desire for revenge on Shotgun after mercilessly destroying you in that last F-22 vs. everything video, would it? :^D
Lold, ya it might be a bit of that you’re right
Very nice. Love these aircraft to bits.
5:22 getting Top Gun Maverick vibes from the scene between Rooster and Mav.
That was a hell of a first round nice!!
37mm is the same calibre as an early WWII German anti-tank gun, for reference. The British 2-pounder was only 40mm. Air-to-ground seems to have been squarely in mind when designing the MiG 15.
there is that, but also I think those larger calibers were mostly for shooting down larger american bombers.
37mm was not designed for anti ground role on the mig-15. It was for intercepting bombers. The 37mm was irrelevant for anti armour duties in 1941 so it was definetly not viable in the 50s for ground attack.
@@GrowlingSidewinder
Those twin 23mm and single 37mm were installed as lessons learned from air combat in WW2. And precisely designed to do maximum damage per round to an airframe.
The US had the high rate of fire advantage, but the .50BMG was limited by its mass and payload, and like you said, it took greater time on target to achieve conclusive terminal effect.
Whereas, the Mig-15 only had to hit you once, mostly...
My stomach was hurting just watching the other pilot take all those negative g's before you shot him down the first time.
It's always is a great fight between the mig-15 and f-86. love the content
MiG 15, 2 x 23x115mm and 1 37x155mm cannons. Not being a snob, just an fyi. Not 2 x 25mm.
Love the channel, thanks!!!
I Still Can't Get Over The Graphics Of DCS
...YES!!!! I LOVE THE MIG-15!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THANKS FOR ANOTHER MIG-15 BATTLE...
Absolutely beautiful video...
I can't imagine the level of exhaustion and fear those pilots faced. These fights were marathons.
worse for the MiG pilot since he had to contend with the non-hydraulic control surfaces lol
@@thefolder69 and apparently no G-suit either! Brutal
I was literally looking at the f86 in person right as this video was published lol
The USAF leading ace in Korea found that firing the 50s at 50,000 feet was very effective as wind resistance was so reduced the accuracy at long range was not effected. Something to try, think his name was McConnell
I have a strange suspicion that GS might be a Honcho...
Brings back the head-on collision in round 1
Beautiful, amazing fight!
F-86 is the jet I'm using to learn the basics of DCS, would love more videos from the perspective of the Sabre'
Reeled him in, then stomped him.
Brutal. Beautiful.
Quick question: how do you do these beautiful - sometimes slow-mow - shots from the external camera? Is that capturing from the DCS Track file? These never work for me... weird stuff, that didn't happen while flying and such....
You gonna be showcasing the mirage F1 early release growling?
maaaaybe, not sure I will have time but I will try
Back about 20 yrs ago Mig Ally was one of my favorite games
Great videos keep it up!
Maaaan that was an awesome video
I want to throw out that the F-86 has 6 m3 browning instead of the classic m2. Basically double the rate of fire, it sounds insane.
New Merch: "I just pumped two 37mm into the city, Ooops. My bad."
What's going on @5:16? Are those shell casings?
Oh that poor beautiful F86! Great fight.
In all of the MiG-15 vs F-86 videos, I don't think the F-86 has won except for one round in one video. And that round, it took an exceptionally long time due to the 50 cals dispersing and not doing much damage when they did hit. It took a lucky hit on a wing and then the MiG looked like it became a cooperative target. All the others, the fight always went to the deck and the F-86 could not escape.
Jesus christ that first merge was close lol
After all electronic tech advantages it comes to pilot competency. In 1971 iaf pilots shot down so many sabres with Gnat fighters and mig 21's
2 planes in a rate fight = 2 MMA fighters ground fighting
growling keep up the good work
it would be amazing if you flight f86 in a mission type video
Hey Growling, love the merch, but us MiG aficionados need something equivalent.
I love the dog fights from this generation!
Last of the gunfighters! Love that matchup!
13:58 BOOM "There he is..."
Ohboyohboyohboy! MiG Alley is my favorite air war. I could watch Sabers vs *MiGs* for hours!
As for length of videos, I feel +/- 25min is optimal. 15min is just blueballing :)
Edit: Did yt just delete my comment because I used the NATO designation of the MiG-15?
A 50v50 F-86 vs MiG 15 battle would be nice 😀
This fight was so competitive!
Make more two morons videos, please... I love them.
5:24 now this is the kind of shit that happens in the movies which pilots always say would never actually happen