I listen to Troy pretty regularly. I implemented his suggestions around 4 years ago and it’s a whole different ballgame! Animals don’t really realize what’s happening. Those sharp fixed blades just zip thru. When I’ve hit deer with expendables they seemed more aware of the fact they had been hit and RUN. Took my first elk last year complete pass through quartering shot. Really glad this information is being put out there for everyone.
I ran 575gr 200 up front about 19% foc. 28.5" draw, 60#(about 185fps) single bevel kudupoints. Last deer I shot went through a vertebrae and out the back side of scapula. Changed my setup to 535gr 17% foc 70# draw (220fps) for this year. Can't wait to see how it does.
Great show! The broadhead is what does the killing. Put your money on a quality no fail broadhead and learn to sharpen. They are more expensive up front, but you don't have to replace them after one shot. Sharpen them back up and shoot them again. A bad broadhead flying straight is just asking for trouble.
425 grains at 280 fps. Hand sharpened magnus stinger. 4/4 on deer. Through shoulders, through ribs doesn't matter. Still pretty scary sharp after going through.
Better hope you don’t have shoot pass 30 yards slow compound bow how in the crap do guys feel confident with thinking go heavy I get the razor sharpe but common sense says heavier arrow going to slow already slow compound bow down man am I glad I got FPS like serious FPS over 500 so I will stick with my crossbow and my sevr Broadheads’s working just fine but you better not try a big buck at 60 with that slow compound bow way to much guessing there
@@EricBynog-zd4rdworks him though. most people aren’t taking 60 yard shots, i have a 3 pin sight 10-20-30 yards because i can’t shot any farther than that where i hunt. and 280fps is pretty standard for bows, unless you have the money to spend 3,000$ on a bow.
I used Muzzy One Three fixed Three blade blade broad heads to great effect and success last season as in all game animals that got shot died shortly thereafter! However, This season I am going to try the Magnus Stinger Buzzcut. It probably works wonders! 😅
Shot a big spike bull using Oneida Eagle bow @ 60lbs, 2219 alum arrow, three blade Sattelite broadhead. Elk 14 yards , angled down drinking. I am about 15 feet up in a treestand. The arrow struck barely past the hip and exited upward from the front shoulder sticking in the ground about 20 feet away. Elk traveled 29 yards. Year was 1985, 38 years ago. Later in September 2022. Bow was a Hoyt Avenger 2005 model, the arrow carbon 350 spine, broadhead 208 grain hand made (by me). The elk offered only a frontal shot as it was drinking. It stepped back with it's head in the way. Then he turned to look right. I released the arrow striking the back of the jaw slicing a little bone , then into the skin in the neck traveling 14 inches lodging in the bone. It took great effort to pull the arrow out. Blood trail was enormous. Elk traveled approximately 140 yards . The shot was 42 yards. It was the loudest arrow strike that I have ever heard. Now 10 23 2024 I will have my 90th birthday January 3 2025 and I am sorry to admit that I bought a Centerpoint Wrath crossbow 43. Well guys , I put it off as long as possible. The bow was easy to tune and my rotator cuff injury is no problem at all. Now anxiety builds for me with a Sout Texas Hunt and an Oklahoma deer hunt upcoming. Yahhooo
Natives made a hunting arrow that was very similar to a stringray barb….micro blades-used broken flakes on the shaft and attached a very small point…natives would cut two channels in an arrow haft and glue in micro blades with pine pitch glue…. its been said it was a favorite buffalo arrow for ease of penetration and lethality
Watched your show there is one . One broadhead that has the effect your taking about. Nap made one called a thunderhead razor . It has 3 deg off set blades in a machined center. (3) senecios. 1st I was 16’ high shot slightly quartering to went thru both scapulars . Deer went 60yards piled up. Scapulars we’re still intact. 2nd shot an 8 pt at 20 yards quartering to 20’high . Shot high 6” from the back down just behind the shoulder. Deer dropped buckled on the spot. Evidently I cut the spinal cord ! It dropped but was paralyzed. 3rd shot a 120”lb hog quartering and away20’ high . Placed the shot just behind the last rib it didn’t stop until it jambed between the neck and collar bone. Hog dropped! Looked like a rifle kill when I cleaned it . That 3deg off set wraps the flesh and it blows out like you say. Yes I use a Diamond stone and a strope . Any thoughts?
I've gone from slapping deer and small game to absolutely killing things. Went to 850 grains and no losses. The bow is so quiet now. My trad gear is even better now. My compound is like a rifle and I don't worry about the angle anymore. Bones are not an issue
Great content. Its kind of a simple but lost point.... if you shoot mechanicals, you have introduced an operation that must occur before the broadhead can do its job. The broadhead must deploy its blades. That is a potential failure point you have voluntarily introduced. Maybe its .01% failure, maybe its 50%. The amount is irrelevant. Its still there. Additionally, youve introduced moving parts and connection points, also voluntarily added failure points.
Fix your broadheads by using the vertical bow for targets and a flat bow for hunting. 500+ grains at 350 fps makes lots of broadheads work well...just find a quality head that flies well.
Expandables are so expensive in Australia. If you’ve hiked a few days and haven’t seen an animal, you’ll take your chances. Experience will show expandable broad heads don’t penetrate, which explains why they are so expensive here.
I haven't made the investment jump into bow hunting yet, but the way I look at it, if I hit a deer with an arrow, I'm not worried about using any part of that arrow again. It's served It's purpose, it did It's job. Just like shooting with a rifle, when I'm at the range, I do my best to pick up my brass to reload it, but I'm not going to waste my time picking up brass while I'm getting ready to track a dead deer
@chrisderoba2859 if only brass were actually 12 cents! With how much we all invest in hunting, between our tags, gear, fuel, etc., is that $25-$50 arrow going to break the bank? Is it worth it to wonder if you're going to be able to get it back to the same cutting ability that it had when new? I'm not saying they're a one use arrow, I'm just saying after it's gone through an animal, it's done it's job
The arrow itself will be undamaged after going through an animal. At most a fletching will be ripped off and you just put a new one on. Most bow hunters (including myself) shoot from a stand, so your arrow is ideally in the ground right next to where you shot the animal. It's also the first thing you inspect after shooting the animal if you need to track it, to check for the blood on the shaft to see what you hit. There's no reason to leave your arrow in the field.
Anyone remember those nerf footballs. That’s how I think about arrows. The weight in the front and the tail is light. It’s hard to move mass. You don’t want the front of the arrow to move side to side, so more mass prevents that. You want the tail to correct the flight so snap true quickly. So take the weight off it so it can correct the arrow quickly. Just like a nerf ball. You can throw it sideways and it will quickly correct in the direction of momentum. Also… have the same guy throw a whiffle ball and then throw a shot-put. Which one do you want to get hit whiffle flyin at 80mph or the shot-put goin 20mph. I’ll take a soccer ball to the dome at 60mph vs a bowling ball at 5. Once they explain this stuff it’s like “duhhh”
Has anyone ever shot Afflictor broadheads? I used the four blade fixed for the first time last year and they’re devastating. I’d love to hear how others have made out with them..?
I shot the Afflictor K2 fixed on my Xbox for a season. 350fos bow shooting a 535gr 22% FOC bolt going around 290fps at launch. They performed very well for me but the blades do suffer on impact and will need to be resharpened or replaced after each use.
This is not a knock at all but Mark illustrates why a LOT of folks struggle with understanding or figuring out what their bow shoots best and just screw a tiny fixed or a mechanical...not being able to speak to exact items changed or components of your set up illustrates just a lack of knowledge - that IS NOT a negative but is the very reason why more people MUST learn and understand their equipment beyond just trusting "insert bowshop" or whomever they do so blindly.
At some point the "pros" need to realize that TAC isnt hunting... and the hundreds of videos on whitetail w 6 inches of penetration is making troy a rich man
That’s exactly right. RF has been telling this story and it’s dead wrong. The 50lb warning from mechanical manufacturers means your bow needs to produce 50lb for the head to work perfectly in their testing. He’s implying that just the opening is costing you 50lb which is completely illogical.
Y’all are talking bout shit that traditional hunting ppl have known bout for the past like 10,000 years or more U dont need these $1,000 compound bows with all the bells and whistles Just look at what simple Stone Age style of archery can do
70#, 470 grains, rage trypans.... and I can tune a bow just fine so I can shoot fixed if I want to. Ive killed elk on frontal shots, bucks on quartering to shots no problem, buried to the fletch. A stick bow has like 30 to 40 ft-lbs, and this guy is saying 80 on a compound isn't enough. Don't get lost in the weeds folks.
how many trad guys are shooting expendables? He never said it wasn't enough, quite the opposite if you actually listened. His point was why would you like to remove half of your KE at impact, hence the 80 on launch and 40-50 to deploy....
Kinetic energy is Mute point when it comes to archery. its a sharp scalpal blade cutting in and through the animal. you made the point of a sharp knife cutting a steak. if you sharpen your knife to the extreme of a scalpal it takes ZERO kinetic energy to cut into and though the steak. this is why Surgeons use scalpals that are are stupid sharp to perform surgery, they are NOT having to bear down with Energy to make that cut in surgery. Cut on contact heads w slim angle is all you need when hunting. blade angle does matter. but long story short, Sharp blades at correct angle is all you need for hunting. NOW speed of your arrow does matter also bc you need the arrow to get to animal as fast as possible before the animal jumps your arrow.
Never heard single bevel broadhead ‘till listening to this. Great stuff as always! Happy and successful hunting to all!
🙌🙌🙌 Happy hunting to you as well!
I know someone with the same name Chris W
@@walkercustomsit’s a good ‘n popular name!
I listen to Troy pretty regularly. I implemented his suggestions around 4 years ago and it’s a whole different ballgame! Animals don’t really realize what’s happening. Those sharp fixed blades just zip thru. When I’ve hit deer with expendables they seemed more aware of the fact they had been hit and RUN. Took my first elk last year complete pass through quartering shot. Really glad this information is being put out there for everyone.
I ran 575gr 200 up front about 19% foc. 28.5" draw, 60#(about 185fps) single bevel kudupoints. Last deer I shot went through a vertebrae and out the back side of scapula. Changed my setup to 535gr 17% foc 70# draw (220fps) for this year. Can't wait to see how it does.
Great show! The broadhead is what does the killing. Put your money on a quality no fail broadhead and learn to sharpen. They are more expensive up front, but
you don't have to replace them after one shot. Sharpen them back up and shoot them again. A bad broadhead flying straight is just asking for trouble.
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Yep... mechanicals are unethical!
425 grains at 280 fps. Hand sharpened magnus stinger. 4/4 on deer. Through shoulders, through ribs doesn't matter. Still pretty scary sharp after going through.
Better hope you don’t have shoot pass 30 yards slow compound bow how in the crap do guys feel confident with thinking go heavy I get the razor sharpe but common sense says heavier arrow going to slow already slow compound bow down man am I glad I got FPS like serious FPS over 500 so I will stick with my crossbow and my sevr Broadheads’s working just fine but you better not try a big buck at 60 with that slow compound bow way to much guessing there
@@EricBynog-zd4rdworks him though. most people aren’t taking 60 yard shots, i have a 3 pin sight 10-20-30 yards because i can’t shot any farther than that where i hunt. and 280fps is pretty standard for bows, unless you have the money to spend 3,000$ on a bow.
@@EricBynog-zd4rdYou do like everyone before us and don't shoot past 30 yards.
@@westernturkeyhunting574I mean my Mathews is slinging 480s at 275 and it’s probably at like 68lbs
Great content guys, and thank you for continuing to share your experiences and knowledge!
Thank you, thank you, thank you for this video!
👍👍 Always happy to pump out some good intel!
I used Muzzy One Three fixed Three blade blade broad heads to great effect and success last season as in all game animals that got shot died shortly thereafter! However, This season I am going to try the Magnus Stinger Buzzcut. It probably works wonders! 😅
Shot a big spike bull using Oneida Eagle bow @ 60lbs, 2219 alum arrow, three blade Sattelite broadhead. Elk 14 yards , angled down drinking. I am about 15 feet up in a treestand. The arrow struck barely past the hip and exited upward from the front shoulder sticking in the ground about 20 feet away. Elk traveled 29 yards. Year was 1985, 38 years ago. Later in September 2022. Bow was a Hoyt Avenger 2005 model, the arrow carbon 350 spine, broadhead 208 grain hand made (by me). The elk offered only a frontal shot as it was drinking. It stepped back with it's head in the way. Then he turned to look right. I released the arrow striking the back of the jaw slicing a little bone , then into the skin in the neck traveling 14 inches lodging in the bone. It took great effort to pull the arrow out. Blood trail was enormous. Elk traveled approximately 140 yards . The shot was 42 yards. It was the loudest arrow strike that I have ever heard. Now 10 23 2024 I will have my 90th birthday January 3 2025 and I am sorry to admit that I bought a Centerpoint Wrath crossbow 43. Well guys , I put it off as long as possible. The bow was easy to tune and my rotator cuff injury is no problem at all. Now anxiety builds for me with a Sout Texas Hunt and an Oklahoma deer hunt upcoming. Yahhooo
Great video with good information. Try to shoot something accurate, sharp, and reliable. Good luck to everyone out there!
Natives made a hunting arrow that was very similar to a stringray barb….micro blades-used broken flakes on the shaft and attached a very small point…natives would cut two channels in an arrow haft and glue in micro blades with pine pitch glue…. its been said it was a favorite buffalo arrow for ease of penetration and lethality
Watched your show there is one . One broadhead that has the effect your taking about. Nap made one called a thunderhead razor . It has 3 deg off set blades in a machined center. (3) senecios. 1st I was 16’ high shot slightly quartering to went thru both scapulars . Deer went 60yards piled up. Scapulars we’re still intact. 2nd shot an 8 pt at 20 yards quartering to 20’high . Shot high 6” from the back down just behind the shoulder. Deer dropped buckled on the spot. Evidently I cut the spinal cord ! It dropped but was paralyzed. 3rd shot a 120”lb hog quartering and away20’ high . Placed the shot just behind the last rib it didn’t stop until it jambed between the neck and collar bone. Hog dropped! Looked like a rifle kill when I cleaned it . That 3deg off set wraps the flesh and it blows out like you say. Yes I use a Diamond stone and a strope . Any thoughts?
I've gone from slapping deer and small game to absolutely killing things. Went to 850 grains and no losses. The bow is so quiet now. My trad gear is even better now. My compound is like a rifle and I don't worry about the angle anymore. Bones are not an issue
Great content. Its kind of a simple but lost point.... if you shoot mechanicals, you have introduced an operation that must occur before the broadhead can do its job. The broadhead must deploy its blades. That is a potential failure point you have voluntarily introduced. Maybe its .01% failure, maybe its 50%. The amount is irrelevant. Its still there.
Additionally, youve introduced moving parts and connection points, also voluntarily added failure points.
Fix your broadheads by using the vertical bow for targets and a flat bow for hunting. 500+ grains at 350 fps makes lots of broadheads work well...just find a quality head that flies well.
The interrupted cutting edges on the broadheads reminds me of stone point arrow and spear heads.
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Expandables are so expensive in Australia. If you’ve hiked a few days and haven’t seen an animal, you’ll take your chances. Experience will show expandable broad heads don’t penetrate, which explains why they are so expensive here.
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I haven't made the investment jump into bow hunting yet, but the way I look at it, if I hit a deer with an arrow, I'm not worried about using any part of that arrow again. It's served It's purpose, it did It's job. Just like shooting with a rifle, when I'm at the range, I do my best to pick up my brass to reload it, but I'm not going to waste my time picking up brass while I'm getting ready to track a dead deer
You may feel differently once you pay for a few $25-$50 arrows. It is not the same as a $0.12 piece of brass
@chrisderoba2859 if only brass were actually 12 cents! With how much we all invest in hunting, between our tags, gear, fuel, etc., is that $25-$50 arrow going to break the bank? Is it worth it to wonder if you're going to be able to get it back to the same cutting ability that it had when new?
I'm not saying they're a one use arrow, I'm just saying after it's gone through an animal, it's done it's job
The arrow itself will be undamaged after going through an animal. At most a fletching will be ripped off and you just put a new one on. Most bow hunters (including myself) shoot from a stand, so your arrow is ideally in the ground right next to where you shot the animal. It's also the first thing you inspect after shooting the animal if you need to track it, to check for the blood on the shaft to see what you hit. There's no reason to leave your arrow in the field.
Anyone remember those nerf footballs. That’s how I think about arrows. The weight in the front and the tail is light. It’s hard to move mass. You don’t want the front of the arrow to move side to side, so more mass prevents that. You want the tail to correct the flight so snap true quickly. So take the weight off it so it can correct the arrow quickly. Just like a nerf ball. You can throw it sideways and it will quickly correct in the direction of momentum. Also… have the same guy throw a whiffle ball and then throw a shot-put. Which one do you want to get hit whiffle flyin at 80mph or the shot-put goin 20mph. I’ll take a soccer ball to the dome at 60mph vs a bowling ball at 5. Once they explain this stuff it’s like “duhhh”
Fixed blades are predictable and cheaper to run as they’re more reusable.
Has anyone ever shot Afflictor broadheads? I used the four blade fixed for the first time last year and they’re devastating. I’d love to hear how others have made out with them..?
No one here that we know of has them, but it sounds like they work great for you!
I shot the Afflictor K2 fixed on my Xbox for a season. 350fos bow shooting a 535gr 22% FOC bolt going around 290fps at launch. They performed very well for me but the blades do suffer on impact and will need to be resharpened or replaced after each use.
Counter point Cross bow bolts are stright fleched
This is not a knock at all but Mark illustrates why a LOT of folks struggle with understanding or figuring out what their bow shoots best and just screw a tiny fixed or a mechanical...not being able to speak to exact items changed or components of your set up illustrates just a lack of knowledge - that IS NOT a negative but is the very reason why more people MUST learn and understand their equipment beyond just trusting "insert bowshop" or whomever they do so blindly.
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At some point the "pros" need to realize that TAC isnt hunting... and the hundreds of videos on whitetail w 6 inches of penetration is making troy a rich man
I think he is right on his ideas but if little is good a lot is better type of guy.
I don't think it takes 50lb KE to open a mechanical. You can open them with your fingers. Pretty sure the 50lb is to open and penetrant.
That’s exactly right. RF has been telling this story and it’s dead wrong. The 50lb warning from mechanical manufacturers means your bow needs to produce 50lb for the head to work perfectly in their testing. He’s implying that just the opening is costing you 50lb which is completely illogical.
Troy is great! However, the other guy is talking, but not saying much
Am I the only one who first read "making sense of redheads?"
thats a losing battle. we are enigmas
Y’all are talking bout shit that traditional hunting ppl have known bout for the past like 10,000 years or more
U dont need these $1,000 compound bows with all the bells and whistles
Just look at what simple Stone Age style of archery can do
70#, 470 grains, rage trypans.... and I can tune a bow just fine so I can shoot fixed if I want to. Ive killed elk on frontal shots, bucks on quartering to shots no problem, buried to the fletch. A stick bow has like 30 to 40 ft-lbs, and this guy is saying 80 on a compound isn't enough. Don't get lost in the weeds folks.
how many trad guys are shooting expendables? He never said it wasn't enough, quite the opposite if you actually listened. His point was why would you like to remove half of your KE at impact, hence the 80 on launch and 40-50 to deploy....
Kinetic energy is Mute point when it comes to archery. its a sharp scalpal blade cutting in and through the animal. you made the point of a sharp knife cutting a steak. if you sharpen your knife to the extreme of a scalpal it takes ZERO kinetic energy to cut into and though the steak. this is why Surgeons use scalpals that are are stupid sharp to perform surgery, they are NOT having to bear down with Energy to make that cut in surgery. Cut on contact heads w slim angle is all you need when hunting. blade angle does matter. but long story short, Sharp blades at correct angle is all you need for hunting. NOW speed of your arrow does matter also bc you need the arrow to get to animal as fast as possible before the animal jumps your arrow.
you obviously don't know much about mechanical advantage
Who picks “Ranch Fairy” as their nickname? 🤡
He didn't