Bear Archery Podcast Ep. 141: The Ranch Fairy

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  • @joshhayes84
    @joshhayes84 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    I jumped off the cliff. I was shooting 425 grains with double bevel. Read Ashby's report. Researched all the information that I could find. Ordered Ranch Fairy test kit from Sirius Archery. Bow shot perfect with 550 grains and 750 grains. I knew I wanted to be 650 or above. Made the switch from 425 grains to 750 grains with single bevel. Absolutely love the results. Hitting the shoulder has never worried me since. Full pass through in the scapula bone, top of heart, and out through the humorous bone on the opposite side, arrow sticking in the ground. Deer went 15 yards, done. I aim for the heart. I don't aim to avoid bone/shoulder. I shoot 70#, 28 1/2" arrow 200 spine (Vulcan from Sirius Archery), and 200 grain Samuri single bevel from GrizzlyStik. Don't be afraid to try new things. You can always switch back if you do not like the results.

  • @lonewolftc103
    @lonewolftc103 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    After several failed recoveries, I started using the Ashby system and now currently a 100% recovery rate.

    • @bradmcclure4553
      @bradmcclure4553 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It’s real who came up with the right fletch BS

  • @davidayres9865
    @davidayres9865 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Plain and simple, Troy knows what he's talking about. And when it comes down to arrows and broadheads, and taking shots, he, like me, likes to get way down into the weeds and into the specifics of things. But most of all, he is willing to pass on the things he knows and has learned to others. Keep up the great work Troy!!!

  • @glennbayley5863
    @glennbayley5863 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I would just like to say thank you both for a brilliant video. Very well explained for the ordinary person.

  • @GrumpyGenXGramps
    @GrumpyGenXGramps ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hey!!! Bear Archery G,ville FL!! Is Willie Kendrick still working there?!? LOL He’s one of my best friends and he started working there when I moved here to TN.
    I loved visiting the Bear Archery Museum and had to take every hunting buddy that would come to town for a visit. Cool place!

    • @richardcranium3579
      @richardcranium3579 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes it is. Visited many many moons ago when heavy arrows and heavy broadheads were the only thing to shoot.
      I’m still shooting them, never stopped. Still have aluminum arrows from high school.

  • @albertwanner2764
    @albertwanner2764 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I don't believe I have all the answers, but I always go by what I believe Fred Bear said long ago...10 grains of arrow weight per pound of bow weight, then do the f8ne tuning

    • @stephenballard3759
      @stephenballard3759 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah Troy mentions that all the time. I'm a Trad guy, too. 8.5 gpp grains per pound is insanely light to most recurve and longbow hunters. I saw lots of guys shooting 12 gpp many many years ago.
      There was a study in Texas many, many years ago where traditional bowhunters were shown to shoot shorter shots, kill fewer deer, but also wound less deer, track them shorter distances, recover them more often, and require fewer follow up shots.
      And that's probably why. Short shot distances are great, But the trad guys were shooting heavy arrows and two blade broadheads, That they sharpened themselves with great care. Et cetera.

  • @kevinmeeske3412
    @kevinmeeske3412 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Excellent video Thank you

  • @OnHolliday
    @OnHolliday 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    My longbow is a reflex deflex that's 50#@28, I draw to 28.5. I'm using a 400 spine Gold Tip Warrior with a 200gr insert and a 160gr Zwickey Eskimo upfront, tip rounded off to a chisel like old Ted Nugent does, cut to 30.5, 7" wraps, illuminated nock, and with 3" feathers. It's in the 615-620gr ballpark and in 5 Kentucky deer taken with it just last year the only one that stopped the arrow from blowing through was a hard quartering toward on a big doe. Blew right through the breast plate, both lungs and stopped in the pelvis. She ran 35-40 yards and piled up. She had about the last 4 inches of shaft protruding from her chest.

  • @joemurray8902
    @joemurray8902 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I've learned so much from Troy. Love the Ranch Fairy!

  • @papaschuette
    @papaschuette ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I've been watching the Ranch Fairy for a little while now. I've been going through his videos and absorbing as much knowledge as I can. I would absolutely love to go down to Texas to pick at his brain for a couple days. And do some hog huntin' for sure. I'm one of those that are just testing the Fairy dust. I haven't committed completely, but I have went to a stiffer arrow and more weight up front. I went from 100gr broadheads and stock 12gr inserts to 125gr broadheads and 50gr inserts. I'm thinking of going to 100gr inserts and get his test kit to see what weight tip will be the straightest flying arrow. Awesome interview.

  • @donaldvonlintig8445
    @donaldvonlintig8445 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    And Feathers have 300 % more drag than vanes, to help stabilize the arrow.

  • @cjr4497
    @cjr4497 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I can vouch for Troy with big boar hogs and a bow. You are not getting through them and finding them on a consistent basis with regular deer stuff. When you are 20' plus in a tree it is even worse. I have experienced it many times. My neighbor is a world traveled trophy hunter. He has the grand slam of sheep and a book animal of every sort in North America. He said there is nothing on this continent even close to as hard to get through as a large male pig.

    • @stephenballard3759
      @stephenballard3759 ปีที่แล้ว

      Man especially for their size. I mean obviously it's probably harder to penetrate a rhino, but I swear a 200 pound pig is as hard to kill as an elk 4x as big. Easily.

  • @savageater57
    @savageater57 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Bear needs to reintroduce the Bear razor broad head . Never had a problem with pass through with a recurve . The point of bow hunting is to get close ,less than 20yrds and know when to pass on an animal.

    • @richardcranium3579
      @richardcranium3579 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Boooom! Thank you for that truth bomb. Spoken like someone who has lived a few years and remembers what heavy gear was like.

    • @talisikid1618
      @talisikid1618 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Not realistic in all cases.

    • @OnHolliday
      @OnHolliday 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Bear is still making the Razorheads in both single and double bevel.

  • @YoureSoVane
    @YoureSoVane ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Heel pressure tips the bow, and higher FOC makes the nock high because the back end is moved more easily. Nock high means your nock travel is out of whack.

  • @dmouse522
    @dmouse522 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Fixed my recurve right left tuned but still nock high by bumping the shelf up a bit. I believe it becomes a tiller issue with more foc for some reason.

    • @wk9953
      @wk9953 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Lower your nock point instead of raising it and see if that will cure your nock high. That's what I have to do with my trad bows

    • @dmouse522
      @dmouse522 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I stated this poorly. I was having to set my nock very high to get good flight, 3/4 inch plus. By raising the shelf a bit with Velcro the arrow became more level when nocked and flew great.

  • @wk9953
    @wk9953 ปีที่แล้ว

    For the recurve lower the nock point don't raise it. It has helped me get the nock high out of my 38% foc arrows with my trad bows

  • @johndyer9232
    @johndyer9232 ปีที่แล้ว

    Speaking of record fish. My dad caught a Jack Crevalle in Florida that we weighed at 32 pounds before we released it. Turns out it would have been the world record in the early 90’s, but we had no idea because all the ones we were hooking were in that class.

  • @donaldbuckner2935
    @donaldbuckner2935 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Just found this video. It is from one year ago. Magnus now makes single bevel broadheads. Hope they make more in the future.

  • @GenX-Grampa
    @GenX-Grampa ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great interview! Trey is such a knowledgeable and COOL dude!
    Pet peeve tho, the delay or whatever was happening, that messed with the continuity of the conversation! LOL Kinda like talking on the phone with a echo or delay! I just hate that, like I said, pet peeve and nitpicky

  • @singlestringstruggler1988
    @singlestringstruggler1988 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    When shooting your recurve 3 under are you hooking the string right under the arrow or are you string walking? If string walking use double knock points above and below knock.

  • @stephenballard3759
    @stephenballard3759 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm probably wrong but I do disagree with troy on two things. But I also know i'm just dragging my feet.
    I loves Zwickies, I just wished that they would use harder steel. I know damn well I can sharpen harder broadheads than swicky's with a file.
    On the same note, I find it really irritating that Mike Sohn won't go back to making traditional broadheads. His glue on magnus heads were the bomb.
    And second, I'm still weird about stropping and polishing heads. I can sharpen very hard steel with a fine file and hit it with a four hundred grit diamonds stone. I guess deer and elk are just not as dirty as pigs, though.
    Those are my last hold outs and i'm probably wrong.

  • @SirSloop1919
    @SirSloop1919 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I'm snortin the F.D. here, but I was sittin in my tree stand waiting for Mr Big this evening thinking about this video. There was one section where you talked about "why a light arrow setup hits in the same spot as a heavy one". The answer given was that *the bow was more efficient at imparting energy into the arrow, because the weight increased.* I agree the efficiency of the bow will increase with arrow weight, BUT!!! Strictly speaking about trajectory, a faster (lighter) arrow will shoot flatter than slower (heavier) one out of the same bow. Netwon has a bunch of cool laws... so does Albert Einstein with the theory of general relativity and the equivalence principle. Back to real world. My xbow shoots a 436gr arrow 331fps, and a 636gr arrow at 284fps. The light arrow is still going over 300fps at 70 yards. So it would be impossible for the light arrow to be dropping at the same rate as the heavy arrow, because it reached the target faster and has had less time for gravity to effect it. I have to aim 7" higher with the heavy arrow to hit where the light arrow does at 40yds. If it is true that in your case the two arrow weights hit the same, then there is some other factor that is causing it. Maybe the monkey, maybe the bow, maybe the aerodynamics. This cannot be explained by the heavy arrow being more efficient out of the bow, cause in the example I showed above the light arrow never even drops to the the "muzzle" velocity of the heavy arrow at 70 yards.

  • @corycrowe2720
    @corycrowe2720 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I’m fairly new to archery and new to building arrows. Just bought a set of the Bear Razorhead single bevels. Haven’t shot them yet, but straight out of the package they are very dull, can’t even start a cut on paper at all. Also they have a crazy amount of wobble. Tested them on my straightest arrow, all my other broadheads spin dead straight, all 3 of the Bears in the package have a ton of wobble on the tip. This doesn’t seem normal, but I’m kinda new to all this so enlighten me if I just don’t know what I’m talking about or are these just cheap poorly china made single bevels?

    • @bobtosi9346
      @bobtosi9346 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      They might be too heavy for your arrows. Get a hold of Troy. He answered my email very quickly

  • @bradyhoglund5630
    @bradyhoglund5630 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The arrow rotation off the bow is mostly determined by which direction your bow strings are twisted.

  • @philcrewse9828
    @philcrewse9828 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Your right about the coues deer it sucks for us Arizona people it was the best kept secret I was drawn 12 yrs in a row now 1 for 3 the last 3 yrs

  • @lilfear
    @lilfear ปีที่แล้ว +1

    people need to see which way their arrows are clocking...mark the shaft, shoot bareshaft from 5ish yards away and see what side the mark you made on the arrow is...flech that direction...most clock left so left fletch (helical, feather, whatever) same with broadhead bevel should be left bevel

  • @StricklandDaniel
    @StricklandDaniel ปีที่แล้ว +4

    It’s a pain in the ass that a lot of our local archery shops will fight us tooth and nail on this philosophy. I believe in the work and data that Troy has preserved. The only time I hear anything bad about the ranch fairy is from people that work at or own archery shops. 😂

    • @briangillman735
      @briangillman735 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The people that are the problem! I had the same problem....now I have to drive 2 hours to the nearest GOOD bow shop!

    • @donaldbuckner2935
      @donaldbuckner2935 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Pro shops I have gone to in the past almost always leave me with a sour attitude because of their attitude and predudices. Arrogance too. Jay Massey said something like "become an archery dropout". That was sad because he was saying that archery as a whole had gone the wrong direction and the right direction was not popular. Jay made his own equipment and hunted the hard way. Ed Ashby is to be commended on his hard effort to provide data that was useful to every bowhunter. His information should be digested and used to better bowhunting.

  • @killintime8431
    @killintime8431 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Jesus Christ loves the Ranch Fairy

  • @the.reel.mccoy.
    @the.reel.mccoy. ปีที่แล้ว

    Howdy, One question that I have: If you're always planning for plan B, why would you not sharpen the backside of the Ranch fairy broadheads? That way if the arrow doesn't pass through for some reason, it could continue to cut while backing out, which could increase blood trails.
    Thanks for considering,

    • @richardcranium3579
      @richardcranium3579 ปีที่แล้ว

      I sharpen the opposite side of my fletching……real feathers . Takes care of plan B.

  • @gingermann19
    @gingermann19 ปีที่แล้ว

    Anyone have a timestamp if they talk about the razorhead broadheadd??? I'm looking into trying them out.

  • @kalbfleisch61
    @kalbfleisch61 ปีที่แล้ว

    I shoot a old Shakespeare nedceda 45pound left hand recurve from the Mid 1970s what arrow should I start with. I have killed whitetail with both cedar arrows bear 2blade razors and aluminum arrows muzzy 125 or satalite 125 broadhead. and both done the job out to 25 yds but do notice the arrows bend in flight

  • @Cummins-
    @Cummins- ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I jumped off the ship heads first and never looked back

  • @brodystuart9944
    @brodystuart9944 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm shooting a rather heavy arrow high foc as well that out of my recurves all 3 of them I end up tail high I think I'm at 758grains and 29in arrows 220 inserts and 200 grain heads

    • @par1013
      @par1013 ปีที่แล้ว

      have you tried raising your knock point?

    • @brodystuart9944
      @brodystuart9944 ปีที่แล้ว

      @par1013 yeah it just takes it up so high past center shit I feel like it's too much

    • @par1013
      @par1013 ปีที่แล้ว

      @brodystuart9944 Do you have nock points installed? What's the fitment like with the nock in relation to the string? Do you shoot split fingers or three under?

    • @brodystuart9944
      @brodystuart9944 ปีที่แล้ว

      @par1013 yeah I have knock points installed it's a bit over half inch above center of the rest at the moment I can put the arrow above the knock point and slide it up another 3/16ths or so and stay knock high when I shoot I'm kind of at a loss

    • @par1013
      @par1013 ปีที่แล้ว

      @brodystuart9944 What's the fitment of the nock like against the string? Can spin the string freely with the nock snapped it?

  • @kodiakfisher
    @kodiakfisher ปีที่แล้ว

    I would be curious to know if you would take a heavy arrow 650gr with a 3 blade with poor mechanical advantage in design, shaft larger than ferrule less than perfect flight, or a light arrow 450gr grizzly single bevel, shaft more narrow than ferrule, and perfect arrow flight? I'm just trying to get an idea on how the TPI would compare? In both cases assume razor sharp blades.

    • @bigz5262
      @bigz5262 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Structural integrity and perfect arrow flight are the two most important factors

    • @stephenballard3759
      @stephenballard3759 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah that's well covered in the Ashby report. Arrow flight and structural integrity FIRST.
      Everything else is very mportant but follows after.
      One of the things people need to realize is that if you take the 12 factors that affect arrow penetration and lethality, Getting all twelve into an aerosystem is great! But, you might just add one or two and you'll see results.
      A lot of guys go from 450 to 500 grains (which is really not that much change) by going to a 125 gr fixed blade and a brass insert.
      They re-tune the bow, and that is all istakes to make a noticeable difference.
      My buddy did that on his elk set up. Went to 125 slick tricks and slightly stiffer spine. His next bull he just crowded the shoulder and watched him drop.

  • @T-Mak-s7x
    @T-Mak-s7x 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Heck ya 4 fletch feathers will fly about any broadhead near perfect. Heck 4 fletch feathers will fly 200 grain Snuffers.

  • @henrybright8531
    @henrybright8531 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I can understand why maybe western hunters don’t get down with this stuff because of the long distance and time to target they’re taking game. But Midwest, Eastern or south eastern hunters shooting at 30 and in it makes a ton of sense.

  • @clay9711
    @clay9711 ปีที่แล้ว

    I shoot a Halon 5 and they spun left bare shaft and I left helical did my fletchings with an Arizona EZ fletch. I heard it’s cause by the strings and that lots of bows will shoot a left spin.

  • @SeanJorgenson-vy8nw
    @SeanJorgenson-vy8nw ปีที่แล้ว

    You have to match the fletch for single bevels.

  • @vincenaccarato5833
    @vincenaccarato5833 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey even though you tuned your left and right by adding weight up front but now you shooting way high knock ! Then you need a weaker arrow and reduce your weight forward . I remember asking Troy that same question about why is my arrow taking a nose dive are 15 yards ! Troy honestly told be the same answer he gave you ??! I think and mind you I only think it’s too much waiting up front will cause a Nick high result!! My answer is a slightly stiffer arrow with less weight up front ?

  • @wrwarnerhall
    @wrwarnerhall ปีที่แล้ว

    Guy from idaho here. Bout to go out for fall bear. Always wanted to hog hunt to get some reps in. Any advice on where to go?

    • @AEOutfitters
      @AEOutfitters ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Come see us in Texas!

    • @wrwarnerhall
      @wrwarnerhall ปีที่แล้ว

      @@AEOutfitters I don't see any hog hunts on your website. What is the deal on pigs?

  • @littlehills739
    @littlehills739 ปีที่แล้ว

    so what arrow set up for rabbit then ?

    • @briangillman735
      @briangillman735 ปีที่แล้ว

      400 spine with a 100 grain Grim reaper razor head ....perfect arrow for a rabbit!

  • @thephoenicianarcher5267
    @thephoenicianarcher5267 ปีที่แล้ว

    Positive tiller maybe will solve the nock high

  • @careybruce193
    @careybruce193 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    He mentioned Magnus, magnus egineer stated single bevel does not penatrate as well. "Rotation adds a additional vector"

    • @beorbeorian150
      @beorbeorian150 ปีที่แล้ว

      All things equal - maybe. But single bevel 200 vs double 125 ?

  • @johnfuchs3024
    @johnfuchs3024 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Speed still = energy

  • @doncraig3665
    @doncraig3665 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    bow season coming next month and a great interview with plenty of food for thought. serious eye problems forced me to give up hunting with vertical bows, but have hunted now for several years with crossbows as magnified optics at least allow me to keep hunting. listening to you guys made me wish i could still take up my bear magnum recurve from the 1970's and go to the woods....it was so satisfying to kill a deer with it and the other stickbows i had from various makers!!!!

  • @andrewchandler9197
    @andrewchandler9197 ปีที่แล้ว

    People talk about the difference in the toughness of the animals, but if I can pass through a tougher animal like a pig, or elk, that tells me white-tailed deer are no issue. Unlike a rifle arrows don't cause as much meat damage. So why not arrow up for ethics.

  • @WesternNyBigfoot
    @WesternNyBigfoot ปีที่แล้ว

    Imhonsingle bevel can bounce alot.

  • @bradmcclure4553
    @bradmcclure4553 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Left offset

  • @jsienesi
    @jsienesi 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    No arrow is going to fly well out of a out of tune bow people need to understand there equipment and how to tune it properly which is cam timing and shimming. its a bandade fucking with a arrow until it flys straight out of a out of tune bow. First get the bow is in tune then you work on your arrow to find the most forgiving spine.

  • @tolt1776
    @tolt1776 ปีที่แล้ว

    Brace height not foc

  • @donaldsmith6404
    @donaldsmith6404 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is the only social media I have and don’t post anything. Think I’m the only 34 yr old without Facebook

  • @talisikid1618
    @talisikid1618 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Disposal blades wastes metal.

  • @weakendwarrior3065
    @weakendwarrior3065 ปีที่แล้ว

    I shoot 26.5". My shots sitting better. Less movement. Don't shave with string or think 30in is only arrow length.

  • @tolt1776
    @tolt1776 ปีที่แล้ว

    No knock high from foc..your artow is still weak!

  • @WildGameLegacy
    @WildGameLegacy ปีที่แล้ว

    I shot my first bow deer ever with the annihilator and it didn't go 20. Left a huge hole

  • @tolt1776
    @tolt1776 ปีที่แล้ว

    Under 600 aint heavy

  • @TedTinker
    @TedTinker ปีที่แล้ว

    I've watched ranch fairy for years and just heard him say wife. I just assumed he was gay. Ranch Fairy. .... always thought - "he sure doesn't act gay" :D. Okay, so why's he always wearing that visor... :D

  • @v.l.bradley9962
    @v.l.bradley9962 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    we need more left single beveled broadheads.

    • @chrisruzsa2798
      @chrisruzsa2798 ปีที่แล้ว

      Make the strings go right and add right vanes and a right single bevel. It is easier than trying to find a left.

  • @williedunn-rj6nq
    @williedunn-rj6nq ปีที่แล้ว

    The new bear razor heads are trash. They are so dull out of the package but what do you expect with something made in China. Wish I would have gotten a different brand

    • @stevepauley2437
      @stevepauley2437 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Learn to sharpen them.

    • @briangillman735
      @briangillman735 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@stevepauley2437 what happened to getting what you pay for?

    • @stevepauley2437
      @stevepauley2437 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@briangillman735 nothing happened to it. You have to sharpen 9 of 10 broadheads you buy, before using them.

    • @briangillman735
      @briangillman735 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@stevepauley2437 so you think it's ok to sell dull knives and broadheads? I'm a professional butcher and I hate having to take them out of the box and sharpen them....broadheads too

    • @stevepauley2437
      @stevepauley2437 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@briangillman735 after you use them you have to sharpen them also. You think they should come razor sharp and stay that way for a lifetime? Just because a broadhead isn’t as sharp as could be, out of the package, doesn’t mean it’s “trash”, like the original comment said.

  • @JandKG
    @JandKG ปีที่แล้ว

    Lol!

  • @garyhammond2213
    @garyhammond2213 ปีที่แล้ว

    You guys are always trying to sell us something.