Military Trials Beretta 34 - Can You Make it More Walther?
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When the Italian military was looking for a new sidearm in the early 1930s, they really liked the pistol submitted by Beretta - but they also really liked the Walther PP. During the development process, the military requested that Beretta add a Walther-style slide-mounted safety to the Model 1934. That is the model that Beretta began making for the initial military trials contract of 650 guns, but partway through they were told to drop it (much to the relief of Beretta engineers, I expect). As a result, only a few hundred of these early dual-safety models were made.
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“We’ve made guns for 500 years... but of course petty functionaries tell us how to properly design firearms”
The reason why Ian is not afraid of running out of weapons to showcase:
Fireplace Guy.
I sincerely hope that there's a hidden button next to the fireplace that makes it swing open, revealing a massive weapons cache - as in every other 1980s action film.
@@AshleyPomeroy if only.
I know at least one prolific collector that has a somewhat similar arrangement...
@@skepticalbadger Spielberg?
IF he ever runs out of weapons he can change the name of the channel to Well Known Weapons
It's "yellow" because of white balance.
Using a white sheet of paper is a great way to calibrate the camera.
This. Or setting it manually. Learning the Kelvin scale is useful in camera operating. Generally the higher the number in Kelvin, the cooler the white balance.
Correct, this is a white balance issue. Easily prevented by checking white balance to calibrate the camera before shooting, and is fixable in post-production as well.
Aka CNN Trump filter
@@ImmortalDaevon reddit gold moment
The best goblin president ever.
“Clearly the result of some military officers who got all starry-eyed...”
That, Ian, is called the “Idea fairy”
Which isn't the same as the "good idea fairy" which Ian mentioned in at least one previous video.
The idea fairy is the result of middle managers trying to justify their easily replaceable position by taking processes that are successful and efficient, adding needless complication which is effective only at making the job of the person performing the task more difficult, and taking credit for the success of the “new and improved” process even though the added complication doesn’t affect the outcome.
My grandfather was a tank commander had one of these while in the Western Desert campaign with the 8th Army.
He captured it from an Italian officer and it stayed with him until he was wounded just after fighting at Monte Cassino.
Damn I respect any soldier because it’s not them that cause wars
They just fight them because they have no choice I respect your grandpa
My father was with the US Army at Monte Cassino. He brought back a Beretta 1934. It is still in the family.
My great grandpa was a Yugoslav Partisan fighter and he took a similar pistol from a captured Italian captain. My grandpa inherited the pistol and we still have it to this day, it's also still functional and works great.
I want to see Ian making more impressions of Italian designers losing their shit when asked for something ludicrous. Work those hands, man!
Ian: wather pp
Me, a mature individual: (snickers uncontrollably)
@@nickaschenbecker9882 Y E S
@@RamArt9091 Yes. In every country i guess. Walther PP is a fantastic pistol, by the way.
In Brazil we giggle more with the k version.
Walther PPK sounds like Walther vajayjay to us
@Herrera Sauro your women are beautiful. Amazonian in build, curves and danger and full of fire. Cheers from Colorado.
@@RamArt9091 And get you put on a list, too.
About 1973, I was living in Hartford, Ct. We had a lot of trouble with a really bad guy, and were being called to testify against him. Lots of threats by him and his friends, and he kept getting out on bail. I left my Colt 1917 with my wife, and bought a 1934 Beretta for $60. Fit right in my work pants pocket. When he went to jail, finally, I sold it for $60. I had never fired it. Nice little piece.
You should have sold it for 70$
@@grzegorzbrzeczyszykiewic3338 Times have changed, saw one at my local pawnshop today, 599 plus tax,i think he should have kept it, 60 dollars in 1970 is 450 dollars today , with the pawnshop markup i guess it wasn't too far off,lol
"Excuse me, I'd like to shoot you but I have no idea what my safeties are doing!"
(German) "Let me see it, I can probably fix it for you".
*German proceeds to do so*
Funny how the front of the gun has the "Beretta face".
A continuing feature since Beretta 1915.
@@vrisbrianm4720 Until they ruined it with the railed 92.
@@vrisbrianm4720 Tullio Marengoni had an aesthetic, and he stuck to it. :)
That fireplace needs a fire. When shooting from this location Ian could do the wing chair and smoking jacket with a fez! Perhaps for Christmas?
Yes, very orange, both Ian and the fire surround. Thought my white ballance had a virus. Still a fun an interesting video in any colour!
I'm thinking the same thing (the fez, smoking jacket, Globe/bar cart and wing chair) and I take it the lights in the room had to warm up ( metal halide lights, I've seem that yellow before)
i read shooting and thought he meant the gun at first
nice pun
@@TonyBelas You think the camera had a corona issue?
I just got my grail gun (a Beretta 92A1) and am now learning as much as I possibly can about the history of autoloading Beretta pistols lol
My Dad brought an M34 Beretta home from WWII. He got it from an Italian prisoner. My Dad showed me how to use it safely and we used to go shooting with it when I was a teenager. I loved shooting it! Loved the way it felt in my hand. He had the leather holster, too! My Dad sold it however much to my disappointment. Great memories! I'd love to find another one.
Italian Military can be a bit strange, sometimes. In the same years G. Marconi presented to the top brass a radio localizing and ranging device. "It can detect something you can't see giving you direction and distance....it's unuseful!!!!. " said the generals.
G. Marconi went to UK, with his Marconi Corporation helped building Chain Home (radar early warning for air raids that helped win the Battle of Britain) and in Cape Matapan battle Royal Navy slaughtered Italian Navy...using radar. The same device they refused some years earlier.
A bit strange, I said....
Or even better when in 1938 mr Mussolini issued the racial laws to make his new austrian friend happy, those laws banned the jews to serve in the military, one of these jew was the admiral Pugliese who was in command of the project of his "sistema pugliese" an anti-torpedo system for battleships, and they had to recall him in service to repair the battleships after Taranto...
Or better, officiers had to buy their own gun and ammo since 1938 until 1943
The true ancestor to the M9. I've always had an soft spot for baretta pistols and firearms. Just beautiful, rugged and simplistic designs.
Not that anyone will care, but I inherited a Beretta 1935 from my grandfather. Still works like a charm, and I've never had an FTF or FTE with it.
Sometimes, when I'm missing him especially badly, I carry it as my daily carry. Just saying.
My dad inherited the 1934 his dad brought back from the war and it will in turn come to me. Its been maintained exceptionally well and still operates flawlessly. I definitely plan to carry it!
"We like your gun a lot, but could you just make it be this _other_ gun?"
"Well, sir, you see, there are a number of reasons why-"
"Great! We expect it by next week."
Friend of mine has one, it's a neat little pistol, he's more a collector than a shooter and as far as I know it has not been fired in ages if at all.
Love how very italian Beretta is. Make a demand, get an argument, some logic, probably some sweet talking over wine and lunch, inevitably get what you want before you realize they were right and change your mind.
Beretta 34 might be my favourite WW2 handgun! It still looks very modern!
My Grandfather brought one home he liberated from an Italian officer in WW2. Sadly it was stolen in the 70's
1000 views in 5 mins... proof that you do a fantastic job, Ian.
My uncle took a 1934 Beretta from an Italian officer prisoner or war. When my uncle went to work in Canada in 1970, he left the pistol with me. I have since bought a number of them. American Rifleman July 1985 has a great article on them.
Very cool history on these! Makes me appreciate my model 948 even more. :)
Love my 948 too!! Cheers!
I have a 34. Really sweet shooter. It was nickel plated at some point of its life, but the finish has worn away at spots including revealing the "RE" mark. It has started to weak strike though. Otherwise, its like a baby 1911-92 in .380.
The screen is yellow because Gun Jesus' halo is illuminating the gun with grace.
LOL... I want to see him walk on river of brass!
These stories are the best part of the channel.
I bet that one of these days Ian will be sitting in front of that fireplace reviewing Mr Scaramanga's golden gun!!!
The 1934/1935 is a gun that seems silly or inadequate, with its 32acp/380 calibre and small size....until you handle one. Then you understand what the appeal was.
I have one, it's absolutely adorable.
Ian, btw, the yellow in your video is the result of a color temperature mismatch: usually “auto white balance” will figure out the room lighting and adjust but sometimes it needs to be done with either the preloaded filters (indoor incandescent, outdoor, outdoor sunny, fluorescent ) or a manual adjustment. (I worked with cameras a lot past 30 years). Thank you for your excellent vidoes
Carry my 1934 always! Love that Ian for his amazing videos!
The RE marked on the gun stand for "Regio Esercito" = Royal army
Are you sure it's not "Resident Evil"?
@@banmadabon if you want to pronounce it right then read it like this :esercheto
Another treat from fireplace collector!
Very informative, thanks. The 1934, .35 pistols are sure neat little pistols that show off Italian style of design.
Forgotten Weapons - Beretta Arquebus circa 1526🙏
Love all your videos!
Always loved this gun, designed directly to specs but never took off
Thank you , Ian .
Fireplace guy is quite the collector! Or maybe it's Ian's 2nd home and he just doesn't want us to know ;)
That aesthetically resembles the M9/92 FS quite a bit.
@@banmadabon was just saying it looks like an M9.
When Beretta had to design their first breechlock pistol (the will be M1951) they decided to go with the Walther locking block instead of the Browning tilting barrel design, because the Walther one was more compatible with the open slide design that they wanted to mantain.
One of the first pistols i shot as a kid. My grandfather taught me on that gun when i was 7
My uncle was a highway police offices and (quietly) taught me how to use it, clean it, maintain it. It was the first hand gun I used, the second one was the Beretta 1951, but then I was in the Navy and subsequently...much later on the 92FS. I adore the BM59 and the Beretta products.
Very informative, thank you.
I've always had a thing for the 1934 and 1935 Berettas. Back in the early 1970s as a very young lad I had a toy gun that (other than it's blue color and plastic "stopper gun" construction) was a dead ringer for the '35. Like a lot of my toy guns from that time it was very realistic and I had NO idea where it came from (could have been my older brother's, could have arrived in a trade, might have been a "battlefield pickup" that I found whilst playing at some abandoned property or other) ... I just knew I really liked it. Fast forward MANY years and I was the temporary caretaker for one (a 1935 in .32). Of course, if I was going to be responsible for it, I had to ensure it's firing condition ... and ... um ... be sure it MAINTAINED it's firing ability while in my care (I shot it a lot, LOL ... with permission, of course). Great video!
(Edited ... I mixed up model numbers ... what a NOOB mistake)
Hey, neat. I just wrote a little article about Tullio Marengoni and my Beretta 1935 the other day. Do you know if the Models '34 and '35 shared their serial number range? (I'm guessing not, since my '35 is 1941/XIX production with serial 529,000 and some, and I assume they were making more than 4,800 of them a year.)
This is cool. My father in law recently showed me the beretta 1935 he got from his grandpa. It's a relatively low serial model. I was tickled to shit to play around with it. The disassembly is cool. Waiting on some .32acp to ship to me so I can put a few through the pipe.
When I did my military service in 1980 in the italian Air Force, this was my pistol. We called it the "la 9 corta" The 9 short because it was 9x16.
Steven L. Passalacqua I like that I can read some Italian stuff since I speak Spanish. I’m sure I’m pronouncing it different from the Italians but it’s a nice reminder that the world is smaller than we think.
Non era in 9x16, bensì in 9x17, chiamato appunto 9 corto.
@@enricofesta1161 Hai ragione, sono andato a memoria senza controllare. Il 9 corto e' 9X17
Steven L. Passalacqua comunque grazie per il contributo che hai dato servendo nelle nostre Forze Armate.
Man I’d love to be fireplace guys friend and just hang out looking at crazy guns. Thanks for sharing with the internet, fireplace person!
This looks to me to be less of a failing of the slide safety and more a dumb redesign of the frame safety. I'd almost go so far as to say that they may have intentionally done it that way to, in effect, 'sabotage' that particular variant in a bid to convince the military not to go with the slide safety. Granted, two manual safeties is overly redundant even by my standards, but realistically, the problem really lies in that added tab on the frame safety.
I think the reality is that they did exactly what the offer wanted and in fact just dropped it in without reworking the internals. That frame safety was still actually a safety with a slightly changed lever so it couldn't be turned all the way around without trying to disassemble the gun. The gun still retained its original frame safety because it was not just the safety but also your disassembly lever so it wasn't easy to just remove. So effectively there was no redesign of the frame safety. They just made the lever shaped differently where it couldn't be used.
@@alexsis1778 I think it depends on how you define redesign. In this case I was counting the addition of that tab as being a (minor) redesign. A more thorough redesign to eliminate the safety element of the frame safety would have eliminated the issue altogether, but undoubtedly would have been costly and time consuming from the company's perspective and arguably not worth the time and trouble.
That slide safety looks externally, exactly like my PPK.
I had question, i saw one of these at my local pawnshop this morning,very nice little gun, they guy pulled it out of the display case and let me see it,very nice weight and very tight little gun.
What i dont understand is.... it had a tag on it and the tag said it was a 1934 but the tag also said it was a 32 ACP, now we were busy with other things and i didn't check it out thoroughly, if the 34 was made as a 380 corto (per Wikipedia) and the 35 model was made in 32 ACP how can this one i saw this morning be a 32 if its a 34? (lol,sounds like a tongue twister).
Maybe the guy putting the gun in inventory made a mistake and its actually a 380? reason i say this is because when he hand it it to me he said "yeah this is a pretty nice gun, 380 i believe) but then i corrected him and said ," i think is a 32 and he said oh ok" funny thing is neither of us checked,now if i was buying the thing i would have checked for sure.
The fireplace collection delivers another unicorn!
Don't know why I put the exclamation point there. It's not surprising.
I have a Model 34 with a frame safety and half-cock mechanism. Compared to my other guns it's an absolute pain in the ass to operate the frame safety/slide catch, reload, disassemble, and clean. The slide also tried to bite my grandfather's index finger off (he was clearing a jam caused by a weak mag spring).
Me with my "orc like palms": OI WAT IZ DAT? A MINISLUGGA FOR ANTS?!
GRonth GrOnth By the emperor...
What is this? A handgun for ratlings?
Beretta 950 jetfire. Now that is a tiny gun, especially if you have large hands.
*Greenskin detected. Initiating Exterminatus Protocol.*
AT LEEST PAINT IT REDD, BULLETZ GO FAZTER.
0:04 was the this section Perhaps Filmed in Mexico? You know how the light waves somehow just react differently in Mexico
It was a CTO switch. Color Temperature Orange
@@FelixDKatz-tb7or Nah, physics just work differently in Mexico, everyone knows that.
Mexico is always yellow, Eastern Europe/Russia is always blue.
This fireplace sits across from an equally famous black leather couch...
My late father, who served in the Wehrmacht (1943/44), had wanted to be issued with a Beretta but was given a Radom instead.
Radom is a town. You mean VIS.
This video has jaundice.
Yeah, that's a weird safetys combo.
Clearly the video has jaundice
Fireplace Jesus needs a rocking chair, a smoke pipe(you know the fancy one?), and either a jacket or vest.
I can't even begin to imagine the value of Fire Place Guy's collection. He has all the guns in all the standard versions, the next-to-imposible-to-get versions and, of cause, also the blued-in-unobtanium versions... I wonder how many "only known surviving example" guns he has...
You should take a look at Beretta 90 Two. I’ve heard something about being a very early prototype of the going Beretta 92FS models
0:10 Looks like the emergency lights in a submarine.
There is a modern firearm in production that has a similar safety set-up. The Phoenix Arms HP-22 has a frame mounted safety and a hammer block safety on the slide. In addition to those, it has a magazine disconnect safety AND some strange system where you have to turn the frame mounted safety on to remove the magazine. It is a very dangerous arrangement to be honest. I have one, and the first thing I did to it was tear it apart and remove a lot of the safety features.
This damn Fireplace villain! He's hoovered up all the rare guns in the world! The list of what he doesn't have is shorter than the list of what he does!
Let's hope not...
Ah, I was looking for this video because this is the pistol I main in Sniper Elite. Thanks, YT algorithm!
A raise of my coffee cup to you Ian. It warms my heart to be able to start a day with gun Jesus in one hand and the juice of Juan Valdes best coffee in the other.
Earl grey tea here!
Sei veramente fortunato ad avere una Beretta 34 come questa con quella particolare innovazione della sicura sul carrello e marcata XIII E.F 👍
ALL The Safeties!! Safest Pistol ever!!
When you first turned the camera on ..did you accidentally face it at the lights?
CTO locked.
Hate slide mounted safeties with a passion. 34's are really cool. I once traded a Lorcin .380 for a 1934 Beretta at the time I did not know 9mm Corto is .380 ACP but I knew I had a deal.
Hey Ian, did you ever hear about the Rolls-Royce Experimental Machine Gun .50? And have you ever seen it?
The colour is cause by the white balance on the camera or in editing software.
Seen a lot of Ian's videos in front of this fireplace. Is this his home/collection?
This is the gun that Bond has to give up for a Walther PP in Dr. No.
The entire thing as a whole looks like baby M9, make sense since Beretta took many influences from this thing into the M9
I wonder if they actually made condensed size M9
That was a very strange saftey request by the Itialin Military.
Ian, what are your thoughts on the Remington M1917?
Ian's camera briefly had jaundice
Hi I love your videos 👍👍👍
Never seen one with decock. INTERESTING.
It’s probably yellow because the white balance on the camera was off.
- So, do you want slide safety or frame safety?
- Yes
IAN YOU ARE A MORE VALUABLE RESOURCE THAN ANY MUSEUM AND WE ALL LOVE YOU SO MUCH
Andrea Highsides seconded. We need to put him on a plinth.
That 180 degree safety that's so good on the Beretta is one of the most criticized points on the Model 14 Nambu.
Nice gun
I have my great grandfather's 1934. Would like to find some more magazines and other parts for it some time
Have you tried numrich or Apex? Or even Beretta USA?
@@ScottKenny1978
My apologies. I just saw this. I have used numrich for a bunch of my other older guns. I didn't think of them. I will take a look
I'm just mad about Saffron she's just mad about me, they call me mellow yellow, that's right.
Any chance you can track down how, why and where the 8mm Carcanos came from?
Were they official rifles or something more sinister.....
Ur video had a touch of patina for a bit. Kinda appropriate for this channel I'd say.
I think Fireplace Guy and I sop at the same stores. He does have more money than I.
oops: shop.
"It doesn't work like that!" But...it *does* work like that.😕
Clearly it doesn't work well like that. Lots of risk that the gun could be cleaned and left with the frame mounted lever in the "safe" position, and if you had to use it in self defense and you didn't know what was wrong, you'd be dead before you found out.
I was referring to the politics of procurement.
You are absolutely correct, as far as trying to actually use the pistol. :)
@@petesheppard1709 Boy, does procurement ever work like that. I used to be an an engineer who had to try to wedge demands from Marketing into products *3/4ths of the way through the development cycle*. I was still young then so my hair grew back...
@@markfergerson2145 Can't you just tell them how much more expensive it is to do so? Those guys speak profit margin.
@@Halinspark Marketing types believe they can just throw technobabble at the customer and crank up the price.
All too often, it works.
Often the customer will change their requirements partway through a procurement cycle exactly as the video describes (or reveal a requirement they had all along and just didn't tell you about at the beginning), and you can't talk them out of it for whatever reason.
Are you familiar with Scott Adams' "Dilbert" comics?
Fireplaceguy strikes again
Ooh yes, the famous Beretta 34 Clutchmatic!
Makes me like my Walther PPs even more!
Yes i love PPs, i that a problem?!
It is one of those timeless gorgeous, sexy , must have small pistols, that today's pistol designers don't understand, and if made today it would have a picatinny rail, a 50 round magazine, and made in .500 Casull
Does anyone know exactly how long the 1934 and 1935 models were made? Somewhere it says that it was produced until 1968, so it replaced the model in 1970. Somewhere it says that it was made almost until the 90s, and that it was used by the Italian army. I don't know what exactly. It is logical to me that the Italian army will switch to the new 1970 model if it is a newer and improved model.
You could use the disassembly lever to deactivate it when surrendering haha!
Pls make a video on 9 mm Orița M1941 if you manage to get one of those guns.
Could the yellowing be the white balance?
Night vision mode!
Is there any gun that the "Fireplace Collector" doesn't have?
Very Cool. 😎