GTA III Beta Map Analysis
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- A closer look into the early beta/concept map designed for GTA III. I'm amazed that Rockstar would even officially release something like this, but I guess the early 2000s truly was a different era. / badgergoodger
I think a big reason to why GTAIII's map feels a lot bigger than it actually is, is that the streets aren't laid out on perfect grids, so you have to take many more twist and turns to get where you want, so you naturally take more time to get to where you have to go. It's a testament to how well designed this map is. VC had a similar design philosophy with the internal streets, but It felt a lot smaller than III because of the outer main roads effortlessly taking you to any corner of those thin islands.
GTA IV certainly FEELS bigger than GTA V, I think the city part in GTA IV is actually bigger.
@@AFT_05G draw distance was only a problem on PS2. I'm very used to PC SA and its draw distance is very good. Sorry for the late reply:)
@@AFT_05GFinally, someone with the same sentiment towards GTA V. I always felt the speed of vehicles was "off". Literally walking around Vespucci Beach takes you minutes, while driving from there to El Burro Heights (very east of the city), takes you less time than walking up and down Vespucci Beach. It just doesn‘t feel right.
In my opinion, the extra area in Portland makes the most sense to be a prison. It's far from the entire city, no roads lead to it (or atleast no asphalt roads) And the surrounding area seems to be a rocky cliff. Makes sense for a prison to be there, and again, as you mentioned, the characters going to Portland in the intro cutscene backs this theory up, even if just a bit
It would also make kinda sense it being a location where a nuclear power plant would be. Looking at those 2 big circular things near the smallest part of the landmass, or somethings. But meh that doesn't exist so, at this point no point arguing about it.
@@SqualidsargeStudios a nuclear plant layout would show the typical round cooling tower(s).
Actually is a nuclear plant
and the thin land entry would make sense for a prison to make it harder to escape
Yeah, look at GTA IV, we do get a prison in Alderney.
Someone's caring for an 18 year old game makes me happy
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People also care about games from the 80's tho
@@fastcar544 read the comment "9 months ago"
Same
I am happy with that, too.
It's now 20 years old. It's been a long time
Haaaaaaan that music, the nostalgia gives me chills.
You were actually that one guy who unironically liked Double Clef FM? I only started enjoying it coming back to the game 15 years later.
@@OfficialDJSoru nah I meant the game's main theme.
@@OfficialDJSoru I love it tbh
The reason you can't find that on Rockstar North's website was probably because they were known as DMA Design until shortly after GTA3's release.
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I think he work in vadim m channel
Very true. This channel doesn't bullshit the viewer or anything. It cuts right to the chase and is informative with no filler
literally better than ANY other GTA oriented channel
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This is the Quality Content TH-cam was made for...I dropped my croissant when I saw, it only had 70 000 views.
Personally feel that once the blocked tunnels are completed they would most likely connect to Carcer City and surrounding areas, due to Carcer being mentioned as being near to Liberty on the radio in GTA 3 and also in Manhunt the mission Press coverage begins with the protagonists exiting their vehicle opposite a closed off road tunnel, could be coincidence but I'm not so sure as it is often stated that GTA and Manhunt exist in the same universe.
Great video and analysis as always! Given that the beta map is in wireframe, it looks like they had all of that modelled (or greyboxed - which is the act of creating the basic shapes of a map or location in a game), but they either removed it after, or some of the screenshots/renders are actually from BEFORE that map was made. Seems like they just took a topdown view of their 3D Studio MAX project for that beta map. Shoreside Vale looked "greyboxed", where just the basic shape was done and nothing else.
Thanks for liking the video and for the insight, as well! I figured that the wireframe-looking details on the map meant that a lot of places on it were created by this point, and that Shoreside Vale was in the very early design stages by then, too.
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@@c_mark5622 sorry for being late, but what happened?
@@youwillpayforyoursins9372 bro,he is a gtaforums moderator and he gave two warnings
@@c_mark5622 for what reason tho?
What doesn't make sense is that during the first mission, Claude and 8 Ball are headed to the penitentiary but the closest thing we have as a prison in Portland is the Police station.
Even though this is a fictional city I feel home whenever I'm on it's streets
Yep same
Same for St. Mark's part of the map?
LC home at least
Fun fact: 'Some other guy' from the opening cutscene is the old Oriental gentleman from Donald Love's missions. Love paid the Cartel to bust him out of prison and then they tried to hold the old man until Love paid more than agreed sum. That's where you come in later in the story
Another really interesting video, Badger! Love learning about stuff like this. Very insightful stuff and I would love to see more videos about GTA III's hidden past if you've got anymore information you've found.
Thanks! GTA III's development history is something that always used to interest me, and I'm happy that we at least know a bit more about it now than we did 10-15 years ago. I just wish that Rockstar would be more open to discussing and sharing details about the development of such a revolutionary game.
That bta map was likely from the flash interaction. They even had points where you can click on objects to hear rave music or short interviews of characters, I might have an audio clip I recorded.
Shortly after Vice came out they took the interactive dlash map down but Vice had something similar but with post it notes on a pin board.
back when going to game websites or just any in general was mind-blowing lol
The Callahan Bridge is mostly based on the Manhattan Bridge in real life. I think there should have been an in-game version of the Brooklyn Bridge too atleast the player would've had choices to choose whether he should go from this to that island on which bridge. And it would have made the game feel more realistic.
This map feels bigger than Vice City despite it's actually smaller.
@Tony_2713 Yeah
Because it's streets are smaller and more connected. Plus you have three seperate city districts.
In VC, we had Vice Beach and the Mainland. Those maps are still my favourites thou.
I believe the section north east of 8 ball's was probably some sort of oil refinery or something the like
Why?
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Will you make a video about beta content from Gta Liberty city stories or Vice city stories?
I think both games did'nt even changed
@@namesurname5613 I did see a map of Liberty City in LCS which looks different. I saw it at where you start the side mission "See sight before your flight" at Shorside Vale.
@@mabuhayimplottingyourdemis423 oh do you mean in park ,in the front of airport ?
@@namesurname5613 Yah
@@namesurname5613 the maps in Liberty City and Vice City were changed drastically for the Stories games. LCS was an improvement but VCS was a downgrade.
im so happy that u started uploading gta content
GTA 3 Fans: Wow, Liberty City is so huge!
Mafia I (City of Lost Heaven): *Am I a joke to you?*
I know right? That game has a very huge map, so huge that its annoying to drive in missions.
Yes mafia 1 you are a fucking joke to me. You load EVERY time you want to go anywhere on the map for 3 seconds and your "amazing story" bored me after it forced me to be a taxi driver for an endless amount of fucking time with those loading screens GOOD GOD THE FUCKING LOADING. i had more fun with 2 and the most fun with 3.
@@napalmkitty6686 Never talk about Mafia 1 to this guy, it triggers him.
@@napalmkitty6686 Git Gud
@@LonelyMonarchist1998 your game should get good.
You know the alpha map of Vice City in the underground for the street races at Sunshine Autos was not leftover by any means, it was left as an Easter Egg to showcase how Vice City supposedly looked in the 1960s and 70s! 😎
Really?
Probably not but still cool to think about@@therandomgamer18
* Car gets shot at
Badger : ah, good ol’ Liberty City
The bank is in accessable due to storage limitations was actually where that blocked tunnel was going to lead to
0:53 did anyone notice the beetle car at the left lower corner.
it seems like beta car
I was waiting for a GTA 3 video and I wasn't disappointed! Great job as always! Also congratulations on the 1K subscribers, I'm also about to hit that number soon.
I always wondered why there was so much land area that's inaccessible to the north of Shoreshide Vale. Also, there are hardly any points of interest on the island apart from the airport and dam. Now, I realise that they probably had more plans for that extra land but didn't finish in time so just blocked it off
9/11 was the reason why some stuff changed in Gta III.
Only the police cars and some voice lines.
Plus the gang of arsonist bums
@@Xegethra And one mission was removed.
@@REPOMAN24722 multiple missions were removed only two were talked about
@@KD-hf2eg If you were referring to darkel missions they were removed 5 months prior to release
You know the tunnels that you can’t enter from shoreside vale, maybe the bank was suppose to be on that other part of land since you can find the bank from the beginning cutscene around there using an airbreak mod but I guess the developers didn’t have time to finish the upstate of liberty due to a deadline.
Seems like that, I feel there was going to be a whole fourth area, a second Manhattan like place above Shoreside but it never got done. I don't know why they couldn't have just moved the bank onto Staunton Island, but I guess they wanted Liberty City to feel bigger with more beyond the hills.
Amaranthus616 yeah I guess
The background music brings back memories of me causing chaos throughout Liberty City
2:57 The guy u said to presumbly another guy is a person whom we save during a mission. In an Donald love's mission name liberator. He mention that the cartel sabotage his old oriental man. And yes it is the same guy that the cartel sabotage in the starting.
And now the cartel is asking ramson.Kinda small Easter Egg or detail we might forgot.
2:23 - It's a nuclear power plant. If I had to guess it must have been based off of the Indian Point Energy Center in New York City.
Hey...
Can you help me to analysis
Between GTA VC and VCS?
Dhanes Wara nothing to analyze there its the same city with some differences cuz vcs was set before vc
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The S shaped road on the southern end of Shoreside Vale actually did survive, but it was moved toward the top of the island where it joins Cedar Grove and Wichita Gardens.
Came here after GTA Series Videos dropped The Design Behind GTA 3. This beta map is starting to make more sense
Good bro,i hope you will make GTA SA Beta map analysis,sorry for my bad english
What bad english?
Awesome video man! Great content. Keep it coming. All gta beta welcome
This channels fucking class haha keep it coming
Why do u not have 10 times as many subs keep on making the amazing content
I'm having a hard time concentrating due to this kick ass background music
70k subs? I was certain it was at least a few Ks considering the excellent production quality
Love the videos. Glad so many people are still interested in these old GTA games :)
why is your voice so awesome Badger? Great content and voiceover
Love gta 3 such a classic
I love your videos and cameos in vadim m's! Please keep this content up! LIKed and subbed
I don't think they actually scrapped the south of beta Shoreside Vale but rather moved it where the residential part of final Shoreside Vale is (Cedar Grove + Wichita Gardens). If you look closely at beta southern Shoreside Vale you can see the zigzag-esque and diagonally directed roads which resemble the final residential district. The north of early Shoreside Vale does look like simplified Wichita Gardens, though, so they might've merged two areas into one.
I'm still curious about what those jagged lines on the north-east edge of Shoreside Vale are and what was the early concept of the northern mountains.
what's the leaked map you mention at 1:38? is there more info about it?
It's the Red Dead Redemption 2 map.
emdji R ah. is there more info about it?
@@thiefrules Yes
Awesome and very informative, thank you so much for this.
2:43 That True
According to gta 3 Design Documents This is not Portland Prison
A power plant was originally planned to be located on a peninsula in north-east Portland.
man i had forgot about Gouranga!
In portland I know a beta name.
Portland=industrial
Portland view=industrial estate
Callahan bridge=west port bridge
Callahan point=west port point
Nice find man, Keep up da good work!
You definitely should make another video about the LC Bank and those mysterious tunnels that were always blocked. It feels like in theory there should be a 4th "island" by the lore and probably the second part of Shoreside Vale. But that's more like a lore thing, because there is nothing that confirms that Liberty City even has a 4th zone. Just a speculations and community made interpretations of how the other side of Shoreside Vale island hidden behind the mountains looked like (maybe it is even a countryside like in SA), but again, that's not a real thing sadly. Well, at least we got a small chunk of what's inside of those tunnels in Liberty City Stories, but even there the tunnels are still closed, just letting you to drive a bit further than just stare at the entrance from outside.
While I think that the tunnels were there just to imply that there was an outside world (and I don't think Rockstar expected there to be as many people asking or speculating about these tunnels as there were), I did always enjoy seeing fan interpretations of what might be on the other side of those tunnels. Had they been able to properly do it at the time (or for LCS, if adding this sort of thing would even work with the PSP's hardware or UMD space), I feel like a bit of countryside on the other end would have been neat. A small forest or something at least.
In GTA III Stadium (in the final game), it appears as American Football pitch whereas this beta map shows what seems to be an English Football (or... y'know the uhh... soCCeR) pitch instead of American Football. (People should call American Football as American Rugby cause they barely play with their foot and the equipment itself is not a sphere, so it's not a BALL!)
Back with your sexy voice, I'm glad.
Lol
@Wendell Novais Reflecting on my past, I kind of am.
I love the wireframes on the map
Sounds like a cliche sucking up line, I know, but I've honestly never clicked on a notification so fast in my life.
It's even like a meme at this point
I love the mid section of the City in the Beta.
Feels like it was gonna be a bit bigger.
how catalins with the colombians sets you up and the colombians break you out
I. Fucking. Love. This. Version. Of. Liberty. City. GTA III is just so nostalgic to me. I would love so much if Rockstar remade GTA III next year for it’d 20th anniversary.
They kind of made it, but it actually is a poorly made remaster
1:07 I like the beta map I would love to see how Francis International Airport would look like North of Staunton Island they should of left the airport there
There is a mod that brings the alpha version airport to the north of Staunton Island.
In this mod, you can clearly see the airport as you arrive at Staunton via the road tunnel.
If you think the beta looks cartoony then you'll love the GTA 1 Liberty City. Also Callahan bridge sucked...way too short be a suspension bridge..looks dumb. Should have kept it bigger. The original airport location looks better. But overall the map is an odd one, beta or not....I also think it feels like GTA 2....the artwork on the U.K. box art looks quite futuristic. I think GTA 3 might have followed on from that but then ended up not doing so...aside from the smog everywhere...I liked that.
Another great video!
whew, i always wanted an offroad place in lc
The render of the unused north Portland road almost looks like half of a freeway clover.
You should do a GTA San Andreas Beta Map Analysis
I wish there was a mod to restore this old map
Man, making a map for a GTA game must be a really funny job.
You mean fun?
Tbh i enjoy watching this guy more in here than vadim m
Not gonna lie, I'd like to see what that bigger Shoreside Vale would've looked like.
Same here, it would be very, very interesting to see it all! 😊
Considering it has been so many years ago they could already tell all what's been cut out :D
Simpson's Hit & Run 💀
Wait, you legit didn't know that pressing the Select button brought up the map? RTFM ! ! !
Great video!
The map I've found and downloaded as an image doesn't have Portland off road track near the tunnel maybe it was added later as well?
Awesome Video! better then Vadim, good work!
@Galaxy dynamic well they don't have much new beta stuff to talk about.
Every time they find something new they make a video if its interesting.
The old San Andreas map is seen in the lil Probe Inn
The place is Liberty Penitentiary
is weird that the beta map is bigger than the final map lmao
2:01 I think that's just wireframe view.
I got the eraly Beta GTA 3 on my Computer,I tried every thing to get to the 2nd and 3rd island,Its not even solid,Just fall through the map,Then teleport back to the 1st Map what is solid
I remember completing it when it first came out
Gta 3 then: Liberty city+ghost town=giant gta iii
Great video 👍
0:08 look at the money... nice
The extra area might be a cut powerplant now
I never understood why shoreside vale is so long and it doesn’t have a end on the top
Gta 3 is my favourite gta 3 I loved the made up designs they did back then !
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Goddamnit i wanted to see the liberty city bank when i played lcs and saw the tunnels from shoreside vale and upstate seemed to be open, it was just a loop😑
Perfect
I enjoyed this video.
I'm pretty sure the pipes in the water serve nothing more than barriers so that you can't access Shoreside Vale early by boat. That's all. No mystery there.
What about the northern part that looked like some LC outskirts/woodlands?
I know iys funny but imagine if gta 6 or 7 they focuse on connectiing 3d era and hd era a huge island with every gta map on corners and a huge new city which serves as captial having dense forest and abandoned location in those forest in cherry on top like cs 1.6 og maps redefine into gta universe as abandoned places in the middle of jungle
Great game
Does Anyone else notice that the liberty city map shown just around 3:42 -ish mark could look like the mojo jojo style character if a mirro image was laid. Aside it?
Think abaout it
i just realized that every map with liberty city has no planes or planes that are near impossible to fly