Those builds are super duper awesome imo :) You could try out this game called besiege, it gives you much more freedom of building (and physics is better) but most importantly: it let's you build engines as well. I think you'd love it ;)
the crabsteering on the manure-sprayer is to reduce soilcompaction. Such sprayers wheigh alot and when you crabsteer you double the surface area that gets compacted, this is usually done when the drivingconditions are subpar. i.e in wet conditions the soil is really loose and you can sink in way too deep and get stuck
@@clanpsithis depends on the crip system your farm runs I did a 1year course in agriculture and the most common answer to things like that is "it depends" But usually theres set "wheel paths" where you run all the traffic on the field. Like sprayers, slurrytanks, fertilizer spreaders etc.
A Garratt (also known as Beyer-Garratt) is a type of steam locomotive that is articulated in three parts. Its boiler is mounted on the centre frame, and two steam engines are mounted on separate frames, one on each end of the boiler. Articulation permits larger locomotives to negotiate curves and lighter rails that might restrict large rigid-framed locomotives. Many Garratt designs aimed to double the power of the largest conventional locomotives operating on their railways, thus reducing the need for multiple locomotives and crews.
That Garrat is indeed a real locomotive, and its wheel arrangement is "4-8-2+2-8-4." Also, the red thing between the wheels on the Flying Scotsman is a third cylinder inside the frames. It was common on British locomotives for a while, but it never really caught on here in the U.S, and 3 cylinder locomotives should have each of the cylinders offset by 33.333 degrees instead of 90.
6:13 It’s the Queensland Railway Garratt, there is only 1 left and it is on display at the Ipswich workshops. It’s number 1009, it was built in 1950, it’s a 2-8-2+2-8-2 because of the amount of wheels it didn’t get a regular classification like other QR locomotives they were given BG, it weighs 137 ton, carries 6 ton of coal, 3800 gallons of water, it’s driving wheels are 51’ in diameter and it’s cylinders are 13 1/4”x26”
I think the crabwalk is more to reduce pressure on the ground it spreads out the weight through the dirt more, and compresses the crops/weeds less than if all the weight was in a single line (by being pressed twice)
That red locomotive is called a garret. Hopefully i spelled that right lol. But it is very authentic for a game. I have to say whoever made that valve gear did a amazing job
For the crab walking, it's to make compaction more uniform across the field. Also could help in soft ground to prevent getting stuck. Also, crops grow different in different situations. By crab walking, the compaction is spread out more, making how firm the soil is more uniform across the field. This makes it easier to prescribe different treatments. Most people will work up the ground once the fertilizer has been applied, which defeats the purpose of crab walking. Some ground is better to "no till" which could see the benefits.
The locomotive is a Garratt (or Beyer-Garratt) which is a type of articulated steam engine mounted on two frames with a large water tank in the front, and large coal bunker/tender in the back that were primarily designed for heavy freight or "banking" other locomotives up steep inclines, they typically aimed to improving efficiency by being able to carry heavier loads with more power compared to other engines. The one in you showcase appears to be based on both the NSWGR AD60 and the ASG (Australian standard Garratt), with the AD60 being standard gauge and the ASG a narrow gauge Garratt used by QLD, TAS, SA and WA during WWII.
Not all tanks have what’s known as “neutral steering” where the turning on the spot will result in one track going forward and the other going in reverse, some tanks do operate with only one turning track where one stays stationary
Crab walking helps widen your footprint when traveling over a field, but also, you greatly reduce your turning radius as well. Just a swanky feature. Honestly I’m not sure how many big time farmers actually crab walk them, but I’d say they all use it to reduce turning radius.
Hey kan, I heard from Hyce that you calculated the terminal velocity of a Shay, and I was wondering which Shay in particular you used in your calculations, and what said velocity was.
17:56 minor correction, that's not a scrap mechanic work around for timing, that's a real feature of The Flying Scotsman TFS is an LNER A3 class, these locomotives were all built will 3 cylinders to provide power, one being snuck in between the frames.
A Garrett is one specific type of articulated steam locomotive. The short version is that a Garrett is pistons-apart, a Meyer is pistons-together, and a Mallet has the pistons pointing the same way like the Big Boy. Garretts have been tried in many cases, in Britain for example the LMS tried a class for freight that was hampered by having to use the same wheelsets as the locomotives it was meant to relieve. There was also a larger one-off in british service - I *think* an LNER design - that saw most of its use banking freight trains alongside the one-off 0-10-0 "Big Bertha".
The tracked vehicle does have tank steering. Tank steering is just when you can activate each sides acceleration individually so you do not angle the wheels in order to turn. Early tanks up until the Panzer 4 in WW2 operated like this. What you are referring to is Neutral steering where the tracks move in opposite direction to achieve spinning on a point, or can move at varried speeds in order to turn while maintaining momentum.
The garratt is my favourite train. It was used in south africa (i think) and i believe it was used for carrying heavy loads around tight corners as it is very strong and articulated
@@ThatTrainGuy123Train of Thought had a video about LMS banking engines. Garretts that were specifically to push other trains up a certain section of the railroad.
fun fact! the second build technically did have tank steering. most if not all old tanks only used one tread to turn the tank up until the second world war where country's started experimenting with double differentials which allowed "neutral steering" where both treads were able to move simultaneously in opposite directions. Although they experimented in ww2 they weren't really used within tank design until the cold war.
It’s a real steam engine. It’s the British answer to articulating locomotives. It also spreads the weight out allowing the locomotive to be larger yet run on older, lighter railed track without damaging it.
For crab walking in fields it's can be used to spread out the compaction so instead of compacting just two rows with crab walking can spread it out on 4 rows
Crab steering helps minimize soil compaction by the heavy farm machinery full of even heavier fluids and fertilizer :D though at the same time large fat tire sprayers are usually trikes, like those made by Terragator
I'm guessing the crab-walking is for stuff like course correction. It's not ideal, but there's probably some situations where it's better than the alternatives.
I don't think it's to use when moving over the crops themselves, I think it's for alignment when getting set up to make a pass, without a bunch of turns that would work your tires down into the earth. You can get straight with the rows, and then fine tune your alignment left/right while moving forward.
It's to help reduce soil compaction. Instead of all the weight being applied over two tracks if the wheels are in line, it's spread over four tracks. Sure, it compacts *more* soil, but it compacts more soil *less*. Jump in the mud twice in the same spot, you'll sink in more. Jump in two different spots, you'll have more footprints but none will sink in as far.
As I recall there was something about Soviet tracked vehicles mainly the T-34 tank instead of having a proper way to hold tracks in place just added a wedgw that would hammer loose bolts back in as they passed The 'Stalinets S60' is probably an agricultural tractor, so basic it doesn't even have neutral steering. The biggest flaw of anything with Wingz mod is that motor-powered elevators have a tendency to lock up in high-G manouvers.
2:09 I live in the US in one of the most farmland populated states, and I live right next to a corn field, and since the fields within city limits and next to residential areas they can't use crap as fertilizer but the fertilizer they do use still stinks lol.
BlueFlame hangs out in Moonbo's chat regularly, and is pretty good with a lot of things, including logic. The hot rod rear "diff" is essentially a one sided Ujoint, I've made similar things IRL
I went for a ride on a Beyer Garrett a few months back, it is (now that it's been restored) Australia's largest steam loco but I believe they were sent to a lot of places like Africa
The Garrats have a strange notation for their wheel arrangements. Instead of being a single notation, it is split into two parts. What you got there is a 4-8-2+2-8-4.
Yeah Garret type Locomotive, front section has a extra water tank, also that particular one, as hinted at in the name is a Queensland Railroads locomotive which I believe is still running. We also have a pair of 2ft 6in garrets down in Victoria on the Puffing Billy Railroad, and one 3ft 6in in storage awaiting refurb at the Zig Zag Railway and a standard guage in Sydney in NSW.
One thing, i could imagine is that having crab walk on those farm vehicles would be to have a more "even" distribution of weight? So that you would have 4 tracks, that would get overall less deeply pressed down?
2:03 is the exact opposite... Crabwalk help to have less compaction of the terrain while spraying fertilizer, because each wheel walk on its own tracks, instead of the real wheels passing again on the front wheels tracks
A duplex would be more two engine sets on a rigid frame. Like PRR T1 or S1 classes. A Garratt type is one of three most common articulated locomotives, especially regarding steam. Garratt has the boiler sitting on a separate frame with both ends free to articulate, Mallet where rear set is fixed and front articulates (Big Boy, Challenger, many American articulated locomotives), and Meyer would have two articulating sets under a single boiler frame (most similar to modern locomotives).
Frant has some multi-piece tank treads in their mod collection. They also have a bunch of other interesting mods and an expanded surival campaign that might be worth checking out.
Garret locomotives were developed in the UK for long/heavy haul trains. But they were rather unsuccessful and were only successful in other parts of the world including Australia or Austria I cant remember exacts. But they are articulated locomotives that could handle the standard curves of the UK railways and able to haul more
Kan maybe you could do a best builds piston engine edition and use it to learn how to build/understand piston engine better to help make better piston engines
You gotta start naming your engines. Even if it’s like the kAN 1, kAN 2, etc. especially when you start putting them into cars. Then you can do MM’s with piston engines and just put a “kAN 1” it or something
Make sure to submit all your best builds on my discord server! Also leave suggestions for other builds in Scrap Mechanic!
Those builds are super duper awesome imo :)
You could try out this game called besiege, it gives you much more freedom of building (and physics is better) but most importantly: it let's you build engines as well. I think you'd love it ;)
Fun fact tractors used to have tracks to traverse the terrible field conditions. TRACtor
Also, great video as always.
Besiege also has gears too
why no monday hide ans seak this week ?
Pls make homing missile without player magnets with only rotation of wings
the crabsteering on the manure-sprayer is to reduce soilcompaction. Such sprayers wheigh alot and when you crabsteer you double the surface area that gets compacted, this is usually done when the drivingconditions are subpar. i.e in wet conditions the soil is really loose and you can sink in way too deep and get stuck
well thanks you that explains it very well, and it makes sense, thanks for the comment!
Are there usually four paths for the wheels to take, or do you just yolo overtop of the crops?
@@clanpsi I believe it's done before the crop going into the ground, I could be wrong.
@@clanpsithis depends on the crip system your farm runs
I did a 1year course in agriculture and the most common answer to things like that is "it depends"
But usually theres set "wheel paths" where you run all the traffic on the field. Like sprayers, slurrytanks, fertilizer spreaders etc.
@@wendellparham5545depends on what growing stage the plants are in and also what plants are growing
A Garratt (also known as Beyer-Garratt) is a type of steam locomotive that is articulated in three parts. Its boiler is mounted on the centre frame, and two steam engines are mounted on separate frames, one on each end of the boiler. Articulation permits larger locomotives to negotiate curves and lighter rails that might restrict large rigid-framed locomotives. Many Garratt designs aimed to double the power of the largest conventional locomotives operating on their railways, thus reducing the need for multiple locomotives and crews.
Also it's one of Hyce's favorite locomotives. 😅
British built tank on tracks!
It was mostly used in Africa
the one that he use is the Queensland beyer garratt locomotive
Comments like this we need more of
Crab steering is used to reduce ground compaction
The Garratt loco is a 4-8-2+2-8-4
Its a water tank, boiler and then the coal bunker
Could you invite Hyce over and show off those awesome train creations to him? That would be wicked cool for him to explain those engines!
That Garrat is indeed a real locomotive, and its wheel arrangement is "4-8-2+2-8-4." Also, the red thing between the wheels on the Flying Scotsman is a third cylinder inside the frames. It was common on British locomotives for a while, but it never really caught on here in the U.S, and 3 cylinder locomotives should have each of the cylinders offset by 33.333 degrees instead of 90.
A lot of DB engines also use 3 cilinders, pretty cool stuff!
O think there is a Garrat still working in Australia it’s used in special events
So Kan you gotta show this to Mark (hyce). we know he loves Garrets lol
Next Best Builds: Have your fans submit their best piston engines, you dyno them and try to understand what's going on lol.
6:13 It’s the Queensland Railway Garratt, there is only 1 left and it is on display at the Ipswich workshops.
It’s number 1009, it was built in 1950, it’s a 2-8-2+2-8-2 because of the amount of wheels it didn’t get a regular classification like other QR locomotives they were given BG, it weighs 137 ton, carries 6 ton of coal, 3800 gallons of water, it’s driving wheels are 51’ in diameter and it’s cylinders are 13 1/4”x26”
That Truck that could also Boat was pure badassery! :D
I think the crabwalk is more to reduce pressure on the ground
it spreads out the weight through the dirt more, and compresses the crops/weeds less than if all the weight was in a single line (by being pressed twice)
usually you spread slurry on a grass field or before the crop sprouts, its mainly to reduce compation on the ground so its easier to hoe, grow in
yes! the Garratt IS a real locomotive type, and the one you showed in particular is a 4-8-2+2-8-4!
The QR Beyer-Garratt Class steam locomotive is indeed a real locomotive. I will add some info on it here.
That red locomotive is called a garret. Hopefully i spelled that right lol. But it is very authentic for a game. I have to say whoever made that valve gear did a amazing job
For the crab walking, it's to make compaction more uniform across the field. Also could help in soft ground to prevent getting stuck. Also, crops grow different in different situations. By crab walking, the compaction is spread out more, making how firm the soil is more uniform across the field. This makes it easier to prescribe different treatments. Most people will work up the ground once the fertilizer has been applied, which defeats the purpose of crab walking. Some ground is better to "no till" which could see the benefits.
That steam locomotive is a Beyer-Garrat Class, 4-8-2+2-8-4, specifically in the Queensland Rail livery. That's an Aussie loco.
The locomotive is a Garratt (or Beyer-Garratt) which is a type of articulated steam engine mounted on two frames with a large water tank in the front, and large coal bunker/tender in the back that were primarily designed for heavy freight or "banking" other locomotives up steep inclines, they typically aimed to improving efficiency by being able to carry heavier loads with more power compared to other engines.
The one in you showcase appears to be based on both the NSWGR AD60 and the ASG (Australian standard Garratt), with the AD60 being standard gauge and the ASG a narrow gauge Garratt used by QLD, TAS, SA and WA during WWII.
Not all tanks have what’s known as “neutral steering” where the turning on the spot will result in one track going forward and the other going in reverse, some tanks do operate with only one turning track where one stays stationary
Crab walking helps widen your footprint when traveling over a field, but also, you greatly reduce your turning radius as well. Just a swanky feature. Honestly I’m not sure how many big time farmers actually crab walk them, but I’d say they all use it to reduce turning radius.
Hey kan, I heard from Hyce that you calculated the terminal velocity of a Shay, and I was wondering which Shay in particular you used in your calculations, and what said velocity was.
17:56 minor correction, that's not a scrap mechanic work around for timing, that's a real feature of The Flying Scotsman
TFS is an LNER A3 class, these locomotives were all built will 3 cylinders to provide power, one being snuck in between the frames.
A Garrett is one specific type of articulated steam locomotive.
The short version is that a Garrett is pistons-apart, a Meyer is pistons-together, and a Mallet has the pistons pointing the same way like the Big Boy.
Garretts have been tried in many cases, in Britain for example the LMS tried a class for freight that was hampered by having to use the same wheelsets as the locomotives it was meant to relieve.
There was also a larger one-off in british service - I *think* an LNER design - that saw most of its use banking freight trains alongside the one-off 0-10-0 "Big Bertha".
The tracked vehicle does have tank steering. Tank steering is just when you can activate each sides acceleration individually so you do not angle the wheels in order to turn. Early tanks up until the Panzer 4 in WW2 operated like this. What you are referring to is Neutral steering where the tracks move in opposite direction to achieve spinning on a point, or can move at varried speeds in order to turn while maintaining momentum.
The garratt is my favourite train. It was used in south africa (i think) and i believe it was used for carrying heavy loads around tight corners as it is very strong and articulated
It is indeed the garret how ever after some research it was used in Australia
It was designed and used in the Uk on the LMS I’m pretty sure
@@ThatTrainGuy123Train of Thought had a video about LMS banking engines. Garretts that were specifically to push other trains up a certain section of the railroad.
fun fact! the second build technically did have tank steering. most if not all old tanks only used one tread to turn the tank up until the second world war where country's started experimenting with double differentials which allowed "neutral steering" where both treads were able to move simultaneously in opposite directions. Although they experimented in ww2 they weren't really used within tank design until the cold war.
The Garrat is definitely a real loco. I was at a museum in George, South africa a week ago where they have quite a few of them. It is a huge engine.
It’s a real steam engine. It’s the British answer to articulating locomotives. It also spreads the weight out allowing the locomotive to be larger yet run on older, lighter railed track without damaging it.
For crab walking in fields it's can be used to spread out the compaction so instead of compacting just two rows with crab walking can spread it out on 4 rows
The trains were really good. But, the trophy truck and the peterbuilt had me drooling. I need to get my computer going again. I wanna play with those!
Crab steering helps minimize soil compaction by the heavy farm machinery full of even heavier fluids and fertilizer :D
though at the same time large fat tire sprayers are usually trikes, like those made by Terragator
I'm guessing the crab-walking is for stuff like course correction. It's not ideal, but there's probably some situations where it's better than the alternatives.
I don't think it's to use when moving over the crops themselves, I think it's for alignment when getting set up to make a pass, without a bunch of turns that would work your tires down into the earth.
You can get straight with the rows, and then fine tune your alignment left/right while moving forward.
It's to help reduce soil compaction. Instead of all the weight being applied over two tracks if the wheels are in line, it's spread over four tracks. Sure, it compacts *more* soil, but it compacts more soil *less*.
Jump in the mud twice in the same spot, you'll sink in more. Jump in two different spots, you'll have more footprints but none will sink in as far.
As I recall there was something about Soviet tracked vehicles mainly the T-34 tank instead of having a proper way to hold tracks in place just added a wedgw that would hammer loose bolts back in as they passed
The 'Stalinets S60' is probably an agricultural tractor, so basic it doesn't even have neutral steering.
The biggest flaw of anything with Wingz mod is that motor-powered elevators have a tendency to lock up in high-G manouvers.
2:09 I live in the US in one of the most farmland populated states, and I live right next to a corn field, and since the fields within city limits and next to residential areas they can't use crap as fertilizer but the fertilizer they do use still stinks lol.
I made a steam locomotive that you drive without a seat by knocking the controls around with the hammer. That was fun. Especially in first person.
As soon as I saw the thumbnail my inner british came out.
"Blimey is that a GARRATT!!!!"
BlueFlame hangs out in Moonbo's chat regularly, and is pretty good with a lot of things, including logic. The hot rod rear "diff" is essentially a one sided Ujoint, I've made similar things IRL
The first train you spawned is known as a “garret” loco😮
I went for a ride on a Beyer Garrett a few months back, it is (now that it's been restored) Australia's largest steam loco but I believe they were sent to a lot of places like Africa
20:00 I thought it was funny how, when he got to "door" in the description, he ignored the switch on the door and just jumped over it into the seat.
Crab walk steering is for minor adjustments to your line while spraying, so you keep the spray straight.
Crab walking is done to minimize the ground compression by not going over the same track twice
The Garrats have a strange notation for their wheel arrangements. Instead of being a single notation, it is split into two parts. What you got there is a 4-8-2+2-8-4.
Lets go! Seeing my build in the video really made my day
Yeah Garret type Locomotive, front section has a extra water tank, also that particular one, as hinted at in the name is a Queensland Railroads locomotive which I believe is still running. We also have a pair of 2ft 6in garrets down in Victoria on the Puffing Billy Railroad, and one 3ft 6in in storage awaiting refurb at the Zig Zag Railway and a standard guage in Sydney in NSW.
Sadly Queensland Railways No.1009 hasn't run since about 1995.
the red steam train is in fact a real thing and it is known as a Garratt or Beyer-Garrett
The Stalinez S60 is a real tractor
One thing, i could imagine is that having crab walk on those farm vehicles would be to have a more "even" distribution of weight? So that you would have 4 tracks, that would get overall less deeply pressed down?
yes, its to compact the crop less
2:03 is the exact opposite... Crabwalk help to have less compaction of the terrain while spraying fertilizer, because each wheel walk on its own tracks, instead of the real wheels passing again on the front wheels tracks
That train reminds me of a duplex engine. Two locomotives working as one
A duplex would be more two engine sets on a rigid frame. Like PRR T1 or S1 classes. A Garratt type is one of three most common articulated locomotives, especially regarding steam. Garratt has the boiler sitting on a separate frame with both ends free to articulate, Mallet where rear set is fixed and front articulates (Big Boy, Challenger, many American articulated locomotives), and Meyer would have two articulating sets under a single boiler frame (most similar to modern locomotives).
In wales on the welsh highland railway they hace two narrow gauge garret class trains.
Crab is to dissipate the load without making ruts or for using it with a second vehicle
Frant has some multi-piece tank treads in their mod collection. They also have a bunch of other interesting mods and an expanded surival campaign that might be worth checking out.
on valve gear there is a type called baker which works similarly to walscherts except it doesn't require the slide block mechanism and only has pins
at 7:44 , yes, it absolutely is a real train!
I think i have some ting to do as a piston powered train
You could build a Lima Shay Series C,1906
In South Africa and Australia they used in Garrett type steam locomotives they are double articulated
You should start testing piston powered trains by adding cars behind them.
Stalinets 60 (Сталинец-60) is an old soviet tractor made in Chelyabinsk Tractor Plant.
Garret locomotives were developed in the UK for long/heavy haul trains. But they were rather unsuccessful and were only successful in other parts of the world including Australia or Austria I cant remember exacts. But they are articulated locomotives that could handle the standard curves of the UK railways and able to haul more
The reason for crab steering is for very steep hills
Also the way the dozer was turning is how it's supposed to steer, same way with zero turn mowers.
I think crab walking is so you pack the dirt down less
Google the wells and walsingham light railway and you can see a real life version of that locomotive. It’s called a Garrett locomotive
The mod that added Tank Tracks to the game is the Fant mod, made by none other than 00Fant.
7:22 yes kAN that is a real train and hyce wont be mad cause that's a British engine XD
Its Australian
1 on the hot rod with Titan V8 is brake
Very impressive builds.
The weird angle gives it the torque
it is really that is actually really cool
My number of like is the amount of days per year man posting top content
P.S. it is 365 he course
WORKSHOP MONDAY PLEEEEEEAAAAASSDD
New Multiplayer challenge, dozer races with dozer tracks
That train is real, have seen it in real live
Stalinets s60 is a soviet tractor/bulldozer
Kan maybe you could do a best builds piston engine edition and use it to learn how to build/understand piston engine better to help make better piston engines
and that particular locomotive is a 4-8-2 + 2-8-4
It's a garatt locomotive
the second build you spawned in called the Stalinets S60 is a Dozer.
I always do the 90 degree offset on my trains but they only get like 10 downloads 😕
what train map do you use? im looking for one with no junctions and a lot of slow turns.
this is a real locomotive
Yes the Garratt steam engine originates originates from Britain and is quite old
If you think that locomotive is impressive, you should look up the Belgian Franco-Crosti Quadruplex.
The red thing would be a third silinder
simple 7 for trains is just the standard bcs its a compromise between fps and physics
You gotta start naming your engines. Even if it’s like the kAN 1, kAN 2, etc. especially when you start putting them into cars. Then you can do MM’s with piston engines and just put a “kAN 1” it or something
You should make a realistic piston powered steam train
Mostly used in Australia
Makes the ruts from the wheels not as bad
simple answere it has to do with soil compation
Is it possible to make or have a piston powered walker?🤔
The red steam locomotive is a real train and is called the garret
beyer garrats are very much real. there are some in india that are 5'6 gauge too.
11:14 The front wheel isn’t even on the ground at cruising speed it has that much torque
yer i live in the middle of farms too and omg it can get stinky xD
Second one is a tractor
Scrap Mechanic discord became Scrap Engineer discord
no way gordon's brother in scrap mechanic
Hey Kan build a diesel engine in the next video