The graphic(s) showing how triggers go on the stack is like how I’ve wanted a Gitrog video (that I’ve been procrastinating over a year to make) to look. Hopefully this inspires someone with more time than me, more primer writers, or content creators to make videos like this… if not me…
Well done! The gold fishing portion is proof that even an experienced pilot can be overwhelmed by the engine this deck provides. Practice with the flow and routine is critical to moving things along. Again, great job Ken!
I'm currently building Krark/Sakashima and this is by far the most useful resource I've found for looking at what this deck looks like in motion! Thank you for putting together this incredible deck primer for us fellow krark deviants lol
I just built Krark / Sidar Kondo as a Naya Storm deck and I am so beyond thankful that you made this video! Thanks for all of the resources, I really appreciate the insight :^)
Building this deck! After watching this several times, and different gameplay videos, I can say Im comfortable. Did my first test today (simulated game) I was glad to see I have a better understanding of casting, copying, and priority. I think adding Harmonic Prodigy would be a cool "next level" part. Especially with another Magecraft creature. The ones in deck are both shamans and wizards. That means moooooooore on the staaaaaaack! 😁 I love deck. In truth, its fun, but also a good way for me to discipline myself to be patient with this game. Like that one game you played where you one with a 40-minute turn😎 Keep up the good work
Thanks for the clarification. Pretty much played it correctly last night. Was tough getting everyone's heads wrapped around my triggers but we managed. Taking a half hour turn flipping coins and casting desperate ritual was fun. Aetherflux reservoir only triggers off casting spells not copied spells so learned that as well. Good times haha
This is a great and super informative video! Very well articulated, very clear and I love how you showcased the stack and the triggers in an easy to digest and understand manner!
Fantastic video. Super informative and helpful to someone like me that's been testing with Krark decks to some success and many failures with my friends
Great vid man! Really helpful to see your “battlefield” as Krark is still super confusing to me. Think I got a much better understanding of it from this video. Definitely responding to opponents Krark triggers + always countering Jeska’s Will from now now on:)
It would make sense to talk about targeting as well. There are multiple videos on TH-cam where Krark pilots don't understand that they have to announce their targets for their original spell when they put their spell on the stack and before they know how the flips turn out. Being clear about this might prevent judge calls.
This deck is my kind of deck. I just always feel bad for taking up so much of the game time. Thanks to the set up you showed, i hopefully can reduce that time significantly. So thanks :)
@@StackedEDH Sick; appreciate it. I'm a new devotee to the flippy coined goblin; are there any recommendations that you have as far as alter artists go?
Echo the sentiments that this is really wel put together and understandable. I avoided Izzet and storm for years for fear it would be too complex and time consuming. Now I know I’m not just giving in to fear and that I’d legit go crazy 😂
Oh this is easy Step 1: Flip a coin Step 2: Flip some more coins Step 3: Keep flipping you’re almost there Step 4: This is your life now, flipping coins forever
Ponder in Missouri sounds like a band I’d see, for the first and last time, in a basement house show in the Midwest somewhere (Ohio or Kentucky specifically)
Great video, and a concise explanation of the stack for people that have trouble with it. One complaint... who eats a stack of pancakes from the top down?
Good video, bit I still have a question, how your own counters works in this deck? Let's say your opponent cast something, you receive priority and you try to counter it with fierce guardianship with krark on play, the stack would be: opponents spell / fierce / krark's trigger. Imagine you loose the flip, so fierce doesn't resolve and goes back to your hand. Here is my question, do you still have priority before the opponent's spell resolve? Which means that you could cast fierce guardianship until you win the flip. Or you loose priority and the opponent's spell resolve?
So question. In the advanced example with minds desire, you drew 11, stormed 10 times, drew again with mage and arrived back at the first krark trigger. The storm count should be 21? At this point? Now lets say you win the flip. Does the above repeat itself? MD, mage, 21 storm, 21 mage?
If i have 2 copies of krark and I cast cackling counterpart copying krark i win the first flip make a copy of the spell it resolves I get a token of krark. Does the new token copy see that the original cackling counterpart is still on the stack and therefore get an opportunity to flip another coin?
Can I target copies of Swan Song/Offer you cant refuse with the copies of it? For example lets say I have 4 copies from krark triggers, can I target them netting me 4 treasures?
How can you copy the spell with sakashima if you lost the first flip? I understand that “it doesn't care that it was put back in the hand” but why? If the original ponder is no longer there then you should not be able to copy it. Or if you can, you would logically get the cast of the ponder even if you lost the flip? How can it work differently on the sakashima trigger than on krarks own trigger?
Question, what happen if i play a spell, krark trigger on the stack and someone Bolt my krark, can i still copy/rebuond the spell? Or the trigger is cancelled?
The triggered ability remains on the stack if Krark is removed. So if everyone passes priority on the triggered ability, it'll resolve and you'll flip a coin-then do what the flip tells you (copy the spell or return it to your hand).
I was weirded out by the "Krark bad for tournaments" recent arguments I play regularly against it and it doesn't have any intrinsic quality that would make it more time consuming than other decks in the format (across several archetypes) I find that type of reasoning very dangerous. Time limit on rounds and judges keeping track of players playing at a reasonable pace (of which not only Krark players should be wary) are already limiting enough to keep these problems under control, without having to start a witch hunt
Lets say you have storm count 5 and you play lightning bolt now storm count 6 and you win a krark flip, Does the storm count go up when you copy the Lightning bolt?
@@StackedEDH Thank you for answering that for me, I got 1 more question. If you counterspell something with krark on your battlefield and then you win the krark flip, What can you counterspell again? the same spell you countered in the beginning?
Hey Ken this really cleared up some questions I had and is def gonna help me format my boardstate better. Also, I’m kinda struggling to find the discord probably cause I’m on my phone could someone help me out?
You constantly stacking the two Krark trigger cards on top of whatever you are casting is just a complete waste of time. It’s one or two secs but it adds up. Two Krark triggers on an empty stack is easy to keep track of mentally so it’s totally unnecessary to do what you did.
my opponents in tournament settings disagree with you. it's better to take the couple extra seconds to be super clear and help those who have trouble without visual representations.
The graphic(s) showing how triggers go on the stack is like how I’ve wanted a Gitrog video (that I’ve been procrastinating over a year to make) to look. Hopefully this inspires someone with more time than me, more primer writers, or content creators to make videos like this… if not me…
thanks so much! i'm glad to hear that this was helpful for you, and inspiring. i spent ~8 hours on all of 'em, lol
Well done! The gold fishing portion is proof that even an experienced pilot can be overwhelmed by the engine this deck provides. Practice with the flow and routine is critical to moving things along. Again, great job Ken!
thanks so much! yeah, i thought leaving in the mistakes would be pretty important
@@StackedEDH reminds us that even you are human. 😂
i will never play this kind of deck but this was fascinating to watch and actually understand
I'm currently building Krark/Sakashima and this is by far the most useful resource I've found for looking at what this deck looks like in motion! Thank you for putting together this incredible deck primer for us fellow krark deviants lol
super happy to hear it, Leland!
3:38 - TIL: The Missouri Zone.
Great video and breakdown!
lol, TMZ isn't just a gossip rag. thank you!
I genuinely lost it when it said that haha 😂😂😂
I've been obsessed with this deck wince last spring. Thank you for making this video to help jump-start piloting Krarkashima!
You're such a good teacher Ken, so well spoken. Great video!
thanks so much!
I just built Krark / Sidar Kondo as a Naya Storm deck and I am so beyond thankful that you made this video! Thanks for all of the resources, I really appreciate the insight :^)
ayyyy! love me some Naya. thanks so much!
Building this deck! After watching this several times, and different gameplay videos, I can say Im comfortable. Did my first test today (simulated game) I was glad to see I have a better understanding of casting, copying, and priority.
I think adding Harmonic Prodigy would be a cool "next level" part. Especially with another Magecraft creature. The ones in deck are both shamans and wizards. That means moooooooore on the staaaaaaack! 😁
I love deck. In truth, its fun, but also a good way for me to discipline myself to be patient with this game. Like that one game you played where you one with a 40-minute turn😎
Keep up the good work
Thanks for the clarification. Pretty much played it correctly last night. Was tough getting everyone's heads wrapped around my triggers but we managed. Taking a half hour turn flipping coins and casting desperate ritual was fun. Aetherflux reservoir only triggers off casting spells not copied spells so learned that as well. Good times haha
This is a great and super informative video! Very well articulated, very clear and I love how you showcased the stack and the triggers in an easy to digest and understand manner!
tyty homie!
thank you i wish all my opponents would watch this. it sometimes seems like i play my deck and the opponents deck against mine.
It just goes to show you that even the most seasoned krark player sometimes miss their own triggers! Thank you for the video!
exactly! learning & improving is the name of the game
Fantastic video. Super informative and helpful to someone like me that's been testing with Krark decks to some success and many failures with my friends
so glad you enjoyed it!
Great vid man! Really helpful to see your “battlefield” as Krark is still super confusing to me. Think I got a much better understanding of it from this video. Definitely responding to opponents Krark triggers + always countering Jeska’s Will from now now on:)
GOOOOOOOOD (and ty as always!)
It would make sense to talk about targeting as well. There are multiple videos on TH-cam where Krark pilots don't understand that they have to announce their targets for their original spell when they put their spell on the stack and before they know how the flips turn out. Being clear about this might prevent judge calls.
good point! i mention this in the Siskel & Ebert (Krark/Saka) primer quite a bit.
This deck is my kind of deck. I just always feel bad for taking up so much of the game time. Thanks to the set up you showed, i hopefully can reduce that time significantly. So thanks :)
Who did that Man of the Mana Crypt alter?!?!?!?! Freaking sick!
that's an Alter Sleeve available to patrons of Mental Misplay!
@@StackedEDH Sick; appreciate it. I'm a new devotee to the flippy coined goblin; are there any recommendations that you have as far as alter artists go?
Love it thanks for the showcase play example that was quite helpful
very glad to hear it!
Echo the sentiments that this is really wel put together and understandable. I avoided Izzet and storm for years for fear it would be too complex and time consuming. Now I know I’m not just giving in to fear and that I’d legit go crazy 😂
Oh this is easy
Step 1: Flip a coin
Step 2: Flip some more coins
Step 3: Keep flipping you’re almost there
Step 4: This is your life now, flipping coins forever
lol, sounds dreamy
This is awesome dude, thanks for doing this!
my pleasure! thank you!
You're awesome! Thanks for all the tips.
happy to help!
Great video! Love seeing the visual of the stack. Though small thing, Storm doesn’t need to be cast from your hand, just that it was cast.
absolutely!
Ponder in Missouri sounds like a band I’d see, for the first and last time, in a basement house show in the Midwest somewhere (Ohio or Kentucky specifically)
Bulldog edit was fantastic
Excellent video! Hopefully you can get that CREL exhibition match that you talked about on twitter.
Double or nothing 🎲
i hope so! and thanks so much! 2x or 0 for lyfe
Love the video. Well done and thank you.
ty!
Sweet video! Thank you for the details :)
thx so much! happy to help
Very awesome, needed this!!
Great video, and a concise explanation of the stack for people that have trouble with it. One complaint... who eats a stack of pancakes from the top down?
Krark, the Thumbless
As the only Krakashima player in my local meta, I am both happy and sad to report that your feedback for countering this deck will see much use.
godspeed, thumbless warrior
amazing! thanks for this guide.... question, why is the current list with Finale of Promise instead of Invoke Calamity?
It's easier to cast, find with Spellseeker, and resolve during timed rounds in a tournament setting.
I really love your setup. What kinds of sleeves are you using? The silver ones+ the inner sleeves? They look really clean.
Thanks so much! It's all Dragonshield Matte Non-Glare (silver and black)
This was a good video
Good video, bit I still have a question, how your own counters works in this deck? Let's say your opponent cast something, you receive priority and you try to counter it with fierce guardianship with krark on play, the stack would be: opponents spell / fierce / krark's trigger. Imagine you loose the flip, so fierce doesn't resolve and goes back to your hand.
Here is my question, do you still have priority before the opponent's spell resolve? Which means that you could cast fierce guardianship until you win the flip. Or you loose priority and the opponent's spell resolve?
So question. In the advanced example with minds desire, you drew 11, stormed 10 times, drew again with mage and arrived back at the first krark trigger. The storm count should be 21? At this point? Now lets say you win the flip. Does the above repeat itself? MD, mage, 21 storm, 21 mage?
First appearance of the rare Ken's Face Zone in cEDH, how will the discourse recover
there are 1000 Cheaty Faces underneath my face in that zone, too
If i have 2 copies of krark and I cast cackling counterpart copying krark i win the first flip make a copy of the spell it resolves I get a token of krark.
Does the new token copy see that the original cackling counterpart is still on the stack and therefore get an opportunity to flip another coin?
Omg thank you
Can I target copies of Swan Song/Offer you cant refuse with the copies of it? For example lets say I have 4 copies from krark triggers, can I target them netting me 4 treasures?
I was wondering, what are the little stickers/markings in the bottom left of your cards?
Where did he get the two commander alters that look like black/white sketches. They are amazing.
i try to keep track of my alters for Krark here: instagram.com/stackededh/
@@StackedEDH thank you for the link and many amazing alters. But the two I was looking for don't appear to be there. Thank you though.
@@MidKnightxSoulstice which ones are you wondering about? i'll help!
@@StackedEDH @Stacked EDH at 13:39 the two black and white sketch alters on the top right under the green spike dice.
@@MidKnightxSoulstice ahhhhh! yes! those are both from the great Beyond the Machina: linktr.ee/Beyond_the_Machina
How can you copy the spell with sakashima if you lost the first flip? I understand that “it doesn't care that it was put back in the hand” but why? If the original ponder is no longer there then you should not be able to copy it. Or if you can, you would logically get the cast of the ponder even if you lost the flip? How can it work differently on the sakashima trigger than on krarks own trigger?
Question, what happen if i play a spell, krark trigger on the stack and someone Bolt my krark, can i still copy/rebuond the spell?
Or the trigger is cancelled?
The triggered ability remains on the stack if Krark is removed. So if everyone passes priority on the triggered ability, it'll resolve and you'll flip a coin-then do what the flip tells you (copy the spell or return it to your hand).
Hi, do you have a website that sells it, or somewhere I can get it to print the krark triger tokens?
Cast Murder on Krark, or land destruction are the 2 easiest ways to beat this deck.
how can the second krark's trigger still resolve if the first trigger removes the abilities target from the stack
nvm I figured it out
If I cast a flashback spell does Krark return the spell from exile if the flip fails?
No. Flashback exiles the card as it leaves the stack
I'm so confused with discord, how do I join the group? I have a Smash the Thumbless deck that is my favorite but hard to pilot could use help
Wtf do you use in your hair dude ? Looks greeeeat !!
ayyy, ty so much! i don't use any product beyond Everyday Oil after a shower. otherwise it just… does the thing! i feel very lucky
@@StackedEDH awesome. Ty
I used Rug of Smothering to hold my Krark player hostage
I was weirded out by the "Krark bad for tournaments" recent arguments
I play regularly against it and it doesn't have any intrinsic quality that would make it more time consuming than other decks in the format (across several archetypes)
I find that type of reasoning very dangerous. Time limit on rounds and judges keeping track of players playing at a reasonable pace (of which not only Krark players should be wary) are already limiting enough to keep these problems under control, without having to start a witch hunt
Lets say you have storm count 5 and you play lightning bolt now storm count 6 and you win a krark flip, Does the storm count go up when you copy the Lightning bolt?
Good question. Storm only cares about spells that have been "cast", so no.
@@StackedEDH Thank you for answering that for me, I got 1 more question. If you counterspell something with krark on your battlefield and then you win the krark flip, What can you counterspell again? the same spell you countered in the beginning?
Why dont you use the red in your pool before activating the ogre?
great catch! i'll just lie and say that i did it to make the turn more interesting ;)
Hey Ken this really cleared up some questions I had and is def gonna help me format my boardstate better. Also, I’m kinda struggling to find the discord probably cause I’m on my phone could someone help me out?
the link is at the top of this primer!
www.moxfield.com/decks/G-RUVy_CMUWzXlhJknIzZg/primer
how do I find the Thumbless Discord Server?
I hate when my Ponder goes to Missouri before it resolves.
No thumbs and the frog deck are very similar, they are confusing as hell.
easy enough once you've learned it/studied it, but def confusing for folks who haven't yet
Bro you write that play mat??
How do you win?
Benny!!!
I just want to know how he knew my Ponder was in Missouri rn?
Secondly, that was the cleanest, most beautiful, extended storm turn I have ever seen.
That looks complicated.😂
krark stealing wins and stealing beards!
all without thumbs! truly a miracle
@@StackedEDH hahahahahah
Yeah screw that.
You constantly stacking the two Krark trigger cards on top of whatever you are casting is just a complete waste of time. It’s one or two secs but it adds up. Two Krark triggers on an empty stack is easy to keep track of mentally so it’s totally unnecessary to do what you did.
my opponents in tournament settings disagree with you. it's better to take the couple extra seconds to be super clear and help those who have trouble without visual representations.